Thread Like Summary
dawglover05, mgh888, PitDAWG
Total Likes: 5
Original Post (Thread Starter)
#2087212 10/11/2024 2:43 PM
by mac
mac
Who will be sitting at America's National Defense Table..?

Who will our elected political leaders be relying on for the USA's National Defense strategy..?

Many..if not most, never give "America's National Defense" a thought. You ever consider who might have the most interest in the USA National Defense strategy..?..other than our own military..!

WHO will have a seat at America's National Defense Table..?

#1...is Russia/Putin. Putin's future depends on his ability to influence America's National Defense Strategy and Putin knows he has an ally and a place at America's National Defense Table if he can get his guy Trump elected.

#2...on the list is North Korea, Trumps beautiful little man who is hosting Vladi for breakfast, hoping to make Koreans look more like Russian soldiers so they can be shipped off to fight against the Ukrainians.

These are the top allies that Trump and GOP will be relying on to help shape America's National Defense Strategy if these Trump allies Putin and Kim are awarded a seat at the Trump National Defense Table.

Write it down...it will happen if Americans allow it to happen...but you won't be able to say, No one warned us...!
Liked Replies
#2088234 Oct 17th a 05:45 PM
by PitDAWG
PitDAWG
That article spells out exactly what you have been saying about defense spending and how companies have a monopoly on the industry. It's a sad commentary on the state of affairs and I wouldn't be surprised if it is even more prevalent than this.
1 member likes this
#2088304 Oct 18th a 03:50 AM
by Ballpeen
Ballpeen
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
That article spells out exactly what you have been saying about defense spending and how companies have a monopoly on the industry. It's a sad commentary on the state of affairs and I wouldn't be surprised if it is even more prevalent than this.

President Eisenhower talked about this back in 1959-1960. He was in the unique position of being at the top of the political and military food chains.

As far as monopolies, I suppose they do to some extent. How many companies are there who can provide the weapon platforms the government requests? It's a fairly small list.
1 member likes this
#2088367 Oct 18th a 05:04 PM
by dawglover05
dawglover05
Yeah nowadays he'd be a RINO, or a "communist" with his stance on taxes. Not sure which.

Also nowadays, you sadly see a lot of Generals retire and go directly into working for the military industrial complex.
1 member likes this
#2089117 Oct 21st a 12:53 PM
by dawglover05
dawglover05
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Ike is among my favorite presidents, if not my favorite president.

There was something called "The Last Supper" in the late 80's and early 90's where the defense industry was encouraged to consolidate. Now there are only "The Big 5" (Lockheed, Boeing, Raytheon, General Dynamics, & Northrop Grumman). We've gone from having 10-15 bids on major new platforms to pretty much 2, which then lead to sole source life cycle contracts (think about things like F-22, F-35, carriers, etc.).

Companies engage in more shady behavior in this environment because they know we still need them at the end of the day since there are so few of them. Sure, there are maybe a couple companies who are on the rise, but it'll take a looooooong time, if ever, for the current setup to improve. The Big 5 are also so "big" that they don't hesitate to buy out their competition either.

Despite heavy encouragement, a lot of the other major commercial companies don't want to enter into business with the DoD.

On top of that, Raytheon and Lockheed almost exclusively make their money from the DoD. Rather than invest in the quality of their products or innovation, they have spent the last 3 years buying back about $20 Billion of their own stock.

To some extent constriction of contractors was probably a necessity. Aside from the competitive benefits, the more companies the DOD took bids, it also increased national security risks. It also kept a source of suppliers healthy. As you noted, many companies don't want to have anything to do with the Defense Department even if they have the ability. To take on something of such magnitude from concept to production requires a tremendous amount of resources and money spent. If you don't land a contract, you sink the company with only the flotsam remaining.

In an odd way the DOD can't get things too competitive. They can't nickel and dime things to the point that nobody wants to build their weapons because the risk is too great if it doesn't result in a production contract. In that business a company can only receive so many rejection letters before they stop trying or go out of business.

Trust me, from an insider’s perspective, we miss that competition beyond belief. Also, your security protocols as a company were one of the ways you were selected as a winning bidder. Most of the money isn’t to be made in the black world anymore. The vast majority is life cycle sustainment now anyhow. Either way, there have been actually more security breaches in the modern era because contractors see it as a “cost.” In fact, we see more breaches on the corporate side than on the Government side. The problem: the contractors don’t have to be diligent because, again, there is nobody to compete with.

Also, we don’t nickel and dime our contractors. They rake us (specifically YOU, the taxpayer) over the coals to the tune of two of the Big 5 buying back $20B of their own stock. The Transdigm reports are also there to see as well. The entirety of gouging happens on their side, not the Government side.

There is also far less risk doing business with the Government. Yes, there is more steps, but we have actually lessened those requirements for non traditional defense contractors. Also, we always pay our bills on time and we provide Contractors with far better financing and cash flow than the private sector. This is evidenced by how well defense contractors did during COVID than the rest of the business segments.

They’re eating our lunch and it’s not even close. The consolidation was a huge mistake. Even if you think the defense industry needed to consolidate, allowing it to go from as wide as it was down to five is just pure idiocy.
1 member likes this
#2089392 Oct 23rd a 02:34 PM
by dawglover05
dawglover05
Originally Posted by Ballpeen
I appreciate and respect your perspective. Also, I am not advocating for limiting competition. I am just saying I can see how and why it might have happened.

I understand the fear of a hostile takeover, but there has to be others.

This is a good convo. When I look back at The Last Supper, I think there is some rationality in the fact the Cold War was over and that defense spending would go down, but I think you and I can both agree, we should let the companies work it out organically if it comes to rational consolidation, rather than the Government actually encouraging it.

Regardless, even if it may have been understandable back then, it obviously backfired, very badly. So the issue now I think is that people have to first understand that there is a grave problem, which I don't think many do. Secondly, I think we need to fix it, and make known that the Defense Budget is not, in fact, a cash cow or a coffer pot for industry to take advantage of.
1 member likes this
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5