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#2100872 01/21/2025 6:40 PM
by OCD
OCD
Trump signed an order to end birthright citizenship. What is it and what does that mean?

President Donald Trump moved to end a decades-old immigration policy known as birthright citizenship when he ordered the cancellation of the constitutional guarantee that U.S.-born children are citizens regardless of their parents’ status.

Trump’s roughly 700-word executive order, issued late Monday, amounts to a fulfillment of something he’s talked about during the presidential campaign. But whether it succeeds is far from certain as attorneys general in 18 states and two cities challenged the order in court on Tuesday, seeking to block the president.

Here’s a closer look at birthright citizenship, Trump’s executive order and reaction to it:

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What is birthright citizenship?
Birthright citizenship means anyone born in the U.S. is a citizen, regardless of their parents’ immigration status. People, for instance, in the United States on a tourist or other visa or in the country illegally can become the parents of a citizen if their child is born here.

It’s been in place for decades and enshrined in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution, supporters say. But Trump and allies dispute the reading of the amendment and say there need to be tougher standards on becoming a citizen.

What does Trump’s order say?
The order questions that the 14th Amendment extends citizenship automatically to anyone born in the United States.

The 14th Amendment was born in the aftermath of the Civil War and ratified in 1868. It says: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”

Trump’s order excludes the following people from automatic citizenship: those whose mothers were not legally in the United States and whose fathers were not U.S. citizens or lawful permanent residents; people whose mothers were in the country legally but on a temporary basis and whose fathers were not citizens or legal permanent residents.

It goes on to bar federal agencies from recognizing the citizenship of people in those categories. It takes effect 30 days from Tuesday, on Feb. 19.


What is the history of the issue?
The 14th Amendment did not always guarantee birthright citizenship to all U.S.-born people. Congress did not authorize citizenship for all Native Americans born in the United States, for instance, until 1924.

In 1898 an important birthright citizenship case unfolded in the U.S. Supreme Court. The court held that Wong Kim Ark, who was born in San Francisco to Chinese immigrants, was a U.S. citizen because he was born in the country. After a trip abroad, he had faced denied reentry by the federal government on the grounds that he wasn’t a citizen under the Chinese Exclusion Act.

But some advocates of immigration restrictions have argued that while the case clearly applied to children born to parents who are both legal immigrants, it’s less clear whether it applies to children born to parents without legal status.

What has the reaction to Trump’s order been?
Eighteen states, plus the District of Columbia and San Francisco sued in federal court to block Trump’s order.

New Jersey Democratic Attorney General Matt Platkin said Tuesday the president cannot undo a right written into the Constitution with a stroke of his pen.

“Presidents have broad power but they are not kings,” Platkin said.

Not long after Trump signed the order, immigrant rights groups filed suit to stop it.

Chapters of the American Civil Liberties Union in New Hampshire, Maine and Massachusetts along with other immigrant rights advocates filed a suit in New Hampshire federal court.

The suit asks the court to find the order to be unconstitutional. It highlights the case of a woman identified as “Carmen,” who is pregnant but is not a citizen. The lawsuit says she has lived in the United States for more than 15 years and has a pending visa application that could lead to permanent status. She has no other immigration status, and the father of her expected child has no immigration status either, the suit says.

“Stripping children of the ‘priceless treasure’ of citizenship is a grave injury,” the suit said. “It denies them the full membership in U.S. society to which they are entitled.”

In addition to New Jersey and the two cities, California, Massachusetts, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Nevada, New Mexico, New York, North Carolina, Rhode Island, Vermont, and Wisconsin joined the lawsuit to stop the order.

https://apnews.com/article/birthrig...grants-fc7dd75ba1fb0a10f56b2a85b92dbe53#


Trash ass POTUS on day one.

I noticed he made sure it was worded to protect his mail-order-bride delivered immigrant kids. We all know the smelania coin pushing porn star he drug into the white house was illegal as they get. An Einstein visa? Really, Donald?

Einstein Visa explained:

Melania Trump obtained US citizenship on a visa reserved for immigrants with "extraordinary ability" and "sustained national and international acclaim", according to a report in the Washington Post.


I guess her “extraordinary ability” is why they renegotiate their prenuptial agreement every year… smfh.
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#2101256 Jan 24th a 02:15 PM
by FATE
FATE
I just looked... this has been introduced to congress 54 times since 1956 and has met bipartisan resistance every time. I think we're better off considering Elon as a Nazi, the chances are much, much higher. 🤣
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#2101309 Jan 24th a 05:16 PM
by FATE
FATE
That's funny. The "last" kid was about to hit the teens and your dad looked at your mom and said "we did good". A few weeks later he was like "what the hell are you talking about... do you have another test???" rofl
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#2101305 Jan 24th a 05:05 PM
by FATE
FATE
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Originally Posted by FATE
Hold on bro, now I'm a boomer?! And just who do you suppose will be cleaning up your mess. poke I suppose that will be Generation X Æ A-Xii, named after Musk's son after he completes his third term.

I didn't mean to sound so preachy, I'm just saying that a typical reaction to this story should be "what an idiot" not "see, this is what I'm talking about, it's staaaarting!!". To each his own, I suppose, that's just my opinion.

I want to be clear about the "overwhelming majority" comment though. I'm not speaking about election results, I'm talking about people that recognize this story as fodder for fake outrage with no chance of becoming reality. I'll grant you the steady decline, but I'll argue that my >20 years on you guys gives me more wisdom through retrospect. I was at the tail-end of hiding under a desk with my fingers interlaced behind my head because the Russians were about to hit us with nuclear warheads nearly fifty years ago. At that age, you were getting your first participation trophy. (I'm just ranting now because I love busting your balls lol)

I'm not saying you shouldn't have a reaction to a "story". Your feelings are yours and you have every right to express them. "With great power there must also come great responsibility". Your power is that you can influence judgment, you're intelligent and well-respected. If you read that story and believe what you posted, that's fine. I'm trying to adopt a step-back and think litmus test: "am I repeating this because I think it's true or am I posting this to elicit a certain reaction". Again, that's me, and probably more guilty of failing this test than you are.

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Something crazy occured to me in 2016. Trump couldn't keep his mouth shut for five seconds, yet we were starting to wake up to the reality that he may actually win the presidency. He said so much crazy ish that the media couldn't even keep up. The news cycle became a never-ending vortex of "Trump said, Trump did, did you see who Trump just blasted, he said that dude's an idiot, he said she's ugly". It served to make sure that we never stopped talking about Trump. Did he entice the tail to wag the dog in order to win a presidency?? History may say yes. If so, we're the doodle that got whacked, and we all provided our own hammer.

Aaaaand my post got deleted again as I was responding. The boomer thing was mostly a joke. I'm 41, at the vanguard of the millennial generation. I'm the youngest of six kids with all my siblings being between 13 and 20 years older than me. I used to get so much grief from them about being in this generation until I once said "Hearing you guys talk about how we're irresponsible is like watching someone rack up a huge bar tab, tell his buddy about how he needs to be more responsible, and then walking out and leaving him with the tab." laugh

I would normally be with you on the reaction being "What an idiot." and moving on. Like Swish just mentioned, that would have been my reaction a decade ago. My family is where I started seeing the creepy change first, and that had an impression on me that started scaring the ish out of me. I fully anticipate receiving a text out to the family where they will say "I could get behind this" or something along those lines when it comes to this Amendment.

Let me "read" you the last text my sister sent out on politics: *Sharing a link to the story on renaming Denali to McKinley* "I thought it was awful when they changed the name of this mountain. It was an insult to Ohio." Ten years ago, I would have seen that article linked and laughed, thinking "Man, this guy is a nut." Not anymore, though, because people like her, and I'm sure people in the Tennessee constituency get mobilized by this stupid stuff.

That's the kind of ish that I see that gets me to react more and more. She wasn't always this way. My family wasn't always that way. It's gotten a lot worse over the last decade. Sure, it happens on the other side, too, but I think theirs is more of a problem of ineptitude and chickens coming home to roost on their double-speak and disingenuousness.

Frankly, I don't know what to do about it, moving forward. I just know I'm not excited about where things are headed, as a whole.

I keep a notepad open and copy/paste as I go as soon as a post becomes lengthy, particularly before I "preview". There is nothing more frustrating here, not sure why it happens but it happens a lot and always has.

Siblings 13-20 years older? Sounds like your nickname should be "Oops!" 🤣

We all have our own reality. I can see where you're coming from. I just voted for Trump again... and for the second time, I wasn't voting for him as much as what I was voting against. Watching the last four years of a shadow presidency had me more worried about our future than I've ever been. Sounds crazy, I'm sure, but that's my reality.
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#2101303 Jan 24th a 05:00 PM
by Swish
Swish
who says it can't be the same people. you and i both know better than to believe the CIA run ops everywhere around the world BUT here. who knows?


but in general, it does tend to be the same people (individuals americans) that will defend things they previously laughed at others for believing.


it's funny you brought up the Russia hoax, seeing as how again, conservatives were dragging others for saying that Russia is gonna invade Ukraine, and then Russia invaded. some* of the same people who clowned others over the belief have been trying to deflect for Putin and claimed he was right in invading. Tucker Carlson, for example.

FATE, not even 10 years ago, conservatives were referring to Obama as King over the # of executive orders, whining that he was trying to bypass congress. Look at how many EO's trump has signed day 1. combine that with conservative logic, and what should they be calling Trump?

but, they aren't calling Trump that, are they? it's "different", and it's actually a good thing Trump is passing all these EO's...
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