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by Clemdawg
Clemdawg
I'm too old and lazy to re-find the original thread that had so much activity/traction.

I tried to access the original thread... epic Clemfail.
If there is anyone who can merge this new thread with the old one, please feel free. Otherwise, I'll soldier on with this new thread starter.

4 decades ago, I asked my wife's Brother in-Law who he thought was the best 70's-'80's drum kit player.
Larry's answer: "Max Weinberg/E Street Band."

I countered with: "Stewart Copeland/The Police."
Ensued: a spirited, stimulating 30-minute debate about technique, time-keeping, and the role of The Drummer in a band.

Last night, I stumbled upon this gem. It made me think back on my conversation with Larz R. (R.I.P.).

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In this video, Stewart not only gives fans some 'Cops' history, but also puts on a present-day
drum kit clinic.

Watch what this old man can still do, starting at 4:18 in the documentary





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by lampdogg
lampdogg
With all due respect, Mr. Clem, Copeland couldn’t carry Neil Peart’s bass drum pedal. With the possible exception of John Bonham, in terms of rock drumming, Peart is the GOAT.

Others I like: John Densmore of the Doors, very attuned to what the other musicians were doing. A creative drummer.

Charlie Watts could hold a groove even if he fell asleep at the kit. Love his simplicity AND his dependability.

There’s a percussionist who’s played with Billy Joel for years, Crystal Taliefro and she plays with soul and passion. She’s a multi-faceted musician and has a “from-the-gut” voice that slays.
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by Clemdawg
Clemdawg
How sick is THAT?

Caravan: an absolute gem of a classic by Duke Ellington. It's now considered a standard, and is forever ensconced in the cannon. You can't call yourself a Jazz player if you don't know this piece.
The architecture: it's written in AABA form (you don't need a Master's degree in composition to understand it) The main theme (A) is stated for 8 bars, then re-stated, verbatim. A contrasting section of 8 bars (B) follows, and then there is a return to the first 8 bars. It's also know as "32-bar form." Those 32 bars are what we call the 'Head.' After the head is played, the Jazz combo launches into a series of solos by various players. All of them base their solos on this skeletal structure. For reference, listen to "I Got Rhythm," by George Gershwin.

I give this short primer to explain my reference in entry #9, follows.

The timeline:

1. 1:00: Jo Jones begins his solo on snare, snares disengaged - with no sticks. Watch how he uses his index finger to act as a fulcrum- pivoting between thumb and f5. Subtle, fast as lightning. Dropping quiet bombs on the kick drum 1/16th off the pulse
2. 1:23: Love the use of rim shots to bring up the volume/energy. No skins in this section. Different rims produce different pitches. They sound like bongos. Watch the rimstick work at 1:45.
3. Did you hear his quote of "Salt Peanuts" at the 2:00 mark? Grinning at his own 'inside joke.' I'm already losing it.
4. 2:30: It sounds like he's dropped tempo into a slow swing. What he's really done is something called 'augmentation.' That frenetic pace is still cooking in the background, but he's stretched out the timing between strikes to make is sound slow. THE PULSE HAS NOT ACTUALLY CHANGED. Genius.
5. 'Hand work' approaching the 3:00 mark makes it sound as if he's working an entirely different kit.
6. After the extended snare drum roll, listen to the hi-hat at 4:00. Still snapping on 2 and 4, you can hear that he hasn't lost the original tempo at all. Dude's got a metronome in his chest.
7. 4:30: watch the cross-sticking. Right hand plays a drum to his left/left hand plays a drum on his right. Now, he's just showing off.
8. 5:30: back to the original quiet stick work on and near the rims... and listen to how quietly he can get those drums to speak. I can almost see the audience leaning forward in their seats, as he draws them in. He knows that a whisper can sometimes be more powerful than a shout. He brought that entire drum solo right back to its genesis. Total mastery at work.
9. The bass player sets up the return of the band 4 bars before the beginning of the B section, when the band re-enters to close the tune, to take it out. (I told you that primer was for a purpose, didn't I? wink )

This drum solo is the epitome of musicianship.
So many different sounds, so many different touches, timbres. And to think that he did all with the most minimalist of kits:

1 kick drum
1 snare
2 floor toms (bass and tenor)
1 crash cymbal
1 hi-hat

In less than 10 minutes, this Player made more music with his minimalist setup than most drummers (with 30+ -item kits) will ever make in their entire lifetimes.

It isn't the size of tool kit.
It's expertise of the craftsman who works the tools.


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Bone: Have you ever seen the Clint Eastwood produced/directed 1988 movie "Bird?" It's a biopic of Charlie 'Yardbird' Parker, BeBop sax pioneer. The opening scene features a close-up, slow-motion follow of the flight of a drum kit cymbal heading towards the feet of a young sax player, at an after-hours jam session. That scene was taken straight from Jazz history/lore. The sax player- Parker, or course. The cymbal tosser: Papa Jo Jones. True story. Musicians are nasty, judgmental beasts.
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by bonefish
bonefish
Tag your it.

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by PitDAWG
PitDAWG
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by bonefish
bonefish
When it comes to jazz from that time if there is film. I probably have seen it.

"Bird" was was terrific. Forest Whitaker was amazing as Bird.

Salt Peanuts reference is funny because I love Dizzy. BeBop was freedom.

That era was a beautiful thing because the genius of those great players had an audience.

I used to dream about how cool that time and those players were. To be a player then had to reach the essence of your soul.

The music was so good. It was such a vibrant time of expression.

Watching Jo play. Damn, so clean and precise. The way he plays. Not wild. Controlled fury but tight. Everything is in his wrists and hands. His elbows stay tight to his body.

When I get on a binge of this music I get lost for days.
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