Cleveland Browns coach Rob Chudzinski should contemplate handing out name tags to his quarterbacks to make sure he can identify them.
The Browns signed quarterback Caleb Hanie on Tuesday, according to the team's website, and he could start against the New England Patriots. Cleveland quarterbacks Jason Campbell and Brandon Weeden are recovering from concussion injuries, which prompted the Browns to sign Hanie.
If Hanie is forced to play on Sunday, he would join Brian Hoyer, Campbell and Weeden as Cleveland’s starters this season. Hoyer was 3-0 in his three starts before he sustained a season-ending ACL injury.
When Chudzinski was asked if his team could start a quarterback off the street before Tuesday’s signing, he did not rule out that possibility.
“All of the possibilities are open right now,'' Chudzinski told Cleveland.com's Mary Kay Cabot.
Weeden suffered his concussion during Sunday's 32-28 loss against Jacksonville and Campbell suffered his Nov. 24 against the Steelers. There is still a chance Campbell could play on Sunday, but Hanie is Cleveland’s insurance policy.
Hanie spent four seasons as Jay Cutler’s backup in Chicago. He played behind Peyton Manning’s in Denver last year. Hanie is 0-4 as a starter during his NFL career.
It appears the “Angry Browns Fan” can add Hanie to his next melody.
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A complete newbie at the starting quarterback position. General Manager's have really outdone themselves this time. I don't want to hear any favorable comparison for this group vs what Holmgren and Heckert tried to provide.
Quote: A complete newbie at the starting quarterback position. General Manager's have really outdone themselves this time. I don't want to hear any favorable comparison for this group vs what Holmgren and Heckert tried to provide.
This FO gave us a diamond in the rough that went 3-0 (hoyer) and a capable backup that almost won vs a 9-0 team and won a game before the team collapsed around him. He also probably could've beaten the Steelers if they weren't cheaters. Obviously Campbell isn't a long term solution (which is why he was passed up when Weeden got hurt for Hoyer), but you can't deny was a servicable backup for 2 games.
Comparing that to what? McCoy + Weeden? lol, Weeden has single handedly lost us 3 games this season and has played a big part in another 3.
And I actually backed Weeden after last season. Thought he had a great season "for a rookie", but this year he totally regressed and is just plain awful, and our coaching staff and FO saw that and took steps to remedy it.
You just cannot win with 5 injuries to the QB position. Just look at playoff contender Green Bay, their starting QB went down and they're awful now. Imagine if they had to go 4 deep like us (seemingly every year).
I'm sick of the excuses too, but you can only expect so much when the universe just seems to hate us lol
Rather than focus on blaming the FO for talent acquisition I'd like us to consult a shaman or something to remove this injury/infection/mental illness curse that we have :-P or at the very least some kind of amazing strength + conditioning coach.
and Eddie George, and Eddie Vedder, and Darth Vedder, and Darth Maul, and Rey Mauluga, and Rey Lewis, and Jamal Lewis, and Jamal Anderson, and Anderson Cooper, and Cooper Carlisle,
Definitely doesn't measure up to the all star cast that H&H trotted out onto the field. McCoy, Wallace, Delhomme, Lewis. Yeah that sure sets H&H apart from this FO.
All things considered...its disappointing to me, with all of the questions marks that we've had that we didn't at least sign someone to our practice squad when Hoyer went out for the year. Unless they had ideas of trotting out MarQuies Gray ever
What was the point?.. By signing him do they think they will win the rest of their games? They are not going to the playoffs and they should never have let Weeden take the reigns to begin with.Now it's too late,and the teams morale is gone.....the time to bring in other QBs was early on in the year,not now.
You mean back when we had 3 healthy QBs on the roster? Back when Weeden was going to make the big jump under Turner's tutelage? Back when Campbell would be the veteran backup we could turn to when/if needed?
You're telling me that you were saying, at the beginning of the season, that we needed to be carrying at least 5 QBs because we would need all of them over the course of the season?
Do you blame the guy that gets T-boned by a drunk driver because he was driving around on a Friday night?
Quote: You mean back when we had 3 healthy QBs on the roster? Back when Weeden was going to make the big jump under Turner's tutelage? Back when Campbell would be the veteran backup we could turn to when/if needed?
You're telling me that you were saying, at the beginning of the season, that we needed to be carrying at least 5 QBs because we would need all of them over the course of the season?
Do you blame the guy that gets T-boned by a drunk driver because he was driving around on a Friday night?
You mean when Weeden was good?..Remind me when that was again?
I heard a loud WOOSH sound, and then came back to this thread and read your response.
I never said Weeden was good. Let me explain more clearly and simply.
The idea at the beginning of the year was that Weeden would flourish in Norv's system. Barring that, we had signed a veteran who has had some success previously starting in the NFL. We also had Hoyer. Lombardi said he was good and everyone was rolling their eyes.
Weeden never made the jump, but that's irrelevant. You act like they should have known that we would need at least 5 QBs (and counting) to make it through one season. That's ludicrous. It's like saying that the guy driving home from work or to the movies on a Friday night should've known he would get hit by a drunk driver. Dumb.
You can lay blame for a number of things at the feet of the FO, but not having a serviceable QB going into the Pats game is not one of them.
Quote: I heard a loud WOOSH sound, and then came back to this thread and read your response.
I never said Weeden was good. Let me explain more clearly and simply.
The idea at the beginning of the year was that Weeden would flourish in Norv's system. Barring that, we had signed a veteran who has had some success previously starting in the NFL. We also had Hoyer. Lombardi said he was good and everyone was rolling their eyes.
Weeden never made the jump, but that's irrelevant. You act like they should have known that we would need at least 5 QBs (and counting) to make it through one season. That's ludicrous. It's like saying that the guy driving home from work or to the movies on a Friday night should've known he would get hit by a drunk driver. Dumb.
You can lay blame for a number of things at the feet of the FO, but not having a serviceable QB going into the Pats game is not one of them.
Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
Quote: Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
I think getting a chance to see Weeden in a new offense with new coaches was reasonable. I know I wouldn't have liked giving up on Weeden before the season started. He played very well in training camp. To Lombardi's credit, he never liked what he saw in Weeden but the head coach and offensive coordinator liked him and it is reasonable to give him a chance. The front office did go out and sign two players (Hoyer and Campbell) that performed very well until they got injured. Give them credit for that. Now you also criticize them for not signing a fourth guy after Hoyer went down. I'll listen to that. I am guessing the thinking was they didn't like any of the free agent quarterbacks out there. They would also have to give up a roster spot if they signed a guy off a practice squad. So they waited. No harm done. Management realized this year was about evaluating the talent they had and installing new systems. That's why they traded draft picks and didnt spend much money. Next offseason you will see a big overhaul and hopefully that will lead to winning games.
Quote: Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
I think getting a chance to see Weeden in a new offense with new coaches was reasonable. I know I wouldn't have liked giving up on Weeden before the season started. He played very well in training camp. To Lombardi's credit, he never liked what he saw in Weeden but the head coach and offensive coordinator liked him and it is reasonable to give him a chance. The front office did go out and sign two players (Hoyer and Campbell) that performed very well until they got injured. Give them credit for that. Now you also criticize them for not signing a fourth guy after Hoyer went down. I'll listen to that. I am guessing the thinking was they didn't like any of the free agent quarterbacks out there. They would also have to give up a roster spot if they signed a guy off a practice squad. So they waited. No harm done. Management realized this year was about evaluating the talent they had and installing new systems. That's why they traded draft picks and didnt spend much money. Next offseason you will see a big overhaul and hopefully that will lead to winning games.
My whole point is why bother signing a QB now?..The season is over,and I can't wait to see Weeden get the pink slip.I had enough of this guy,and getting lost under the flag during his 1st start was all we needed to know.
Maybe it's because............uh, Campbell is questionable for this week, Weeden is out for this week.............so, you want to go into a game with only 1 qb?
Quote: Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
What QB that was available when Hoyer went down would have made a difference?
Quote: Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
What QB that was available when Hoyer went down would have made a difference?
not my post, but ht is reasonable to think that it was worth a roster spot for Tanney or Hanie at that time rather than now (we did try to sign Tolzein).
that way, they would have had a few weeks to learn the offense instead of being thrown in and having to start in 1 week. QB is too important to not have enough options.
Quote: Putting that POS Weeden on the field was and is their fault.They should have had added another QB after Hoyer went down.Ignorance of the law is no excuse...
What QB that was available when Hoyer went down would have made a difference?
What QB is going to make difference now? Exactly...it's not.Get Weedens butt out there and let him stink it up the rest of the way...Most teams do just fine with one QB or two at most all year,but not these idiots...they need five.
Theyre evaluating him for a concussion so he's been entered into the concussion testing protocol...if he doesn't pass, he cant play regardless...
Im with No Logo...knowing that Weeden flopped kinda hard, we should've looked to a different QB when Hoyer went down...but they weren't done with Weeden then. Then it was Campbell, Weeden, and in an emergency, MarQuies Gray...
If you cant suffice with that...I mean you've got tooooooo much stock into needing injury replacements...That being said. Someone should have AT LEAST been signed to the practice squad.
We needed someone else in here somehow...especially if they had no intention of ever giving Gray a snap at QB
Not sure why I am trying to reason w/you after so many others have tried and failed, but......
.........we brought in Hanie because we have two QBs w/concussions. They both could be out this week. That leaves us w/the Trick Shot guy and no one else.
Hanie isn't being looked as a savior. He is being looked at as a stop-gap guy and could be released as soon as Weeden and Campbell are ready to play again.
...and sign RB Edwin Baker. Was Tashard Choice not still available? The Bills cut Choice recently. Man, what was thought last season to be a position of strength, has seriously deteriorated. And no, that is NOT a shot directly at the current FO, but they seriously need to rebuild the RB position.
Shocking seeing he was given the backup role ahead of Tanney. Wouldn't that mean they should have axed Tanney? Beats me...
I think Hanie was signed to be a backup #2 and Tanney a developmental #3. I'm thinking we cut Hanie because Weeden is probably going to be healthy enough to be our #2 again (ugh).
Valid point. Likely right too. As for Weeden, honestly, he didn't play too bad last game and it hurts to say that as I've really ripped the kid.
I guess when you play with that "my career is over so let's wing it" mentality - he can throw accurate balls and that pass to Oby or Fozzy (the checkdown) - it actually had TOUCH on it. Not a freaking laser guided missile coming in at Mach 1 speed.
Personally, hopefully... we ride the season out with Campbell. I like going into next year with Campbell, Hoyer and whomever is derived from the draft.
Shocking seeing he was given the backup role ahead of Tanney. Wouldn't that mean they should have axed Tanney? Beats me...
I think Hanie was signed to be a backup #2 and Tanney a developmental #3. I'm thinking we cut Hanie because Weeden is probably going to be healthy enough to be our #2 again (ugh).
Excellent job. You are all over it when you said that Tanney is the developmental guy, while Hanie was a stop-gap.
The "other stuff" is on a football field along with 1000 dead horses archived in as many threads on this board.
Are you really going to push your agenda crap over every discussion? Even on the "level" of Baker/Choice? How many times do posters have to tell you how annoying that is?
There are some posters that think Choice is the better RB, big deal, there's no conspiracy here. Move on and get over it or make a case for Baker if you disagree. Talk football, remember?
Oh..........and you just took DJ's word for it. You haven't learned that he never passes up an opportunity to bash this FO?
Here is one published scouting report on Baker:
Positives:
Works hard in the weight room and it shows — has a chiseled physique. Has a 600-pound squat and can bench-press nearly twice his weight. Runs behind his pads with a low center of gravity. Good balance and vision (reads blocks). Churns his legs, barrels through contact and steps out of ankle tackles. Has quick feet and shows one-cut ability to stick his foot in the dirt and accelerate upfield. Willingly faces up in pass protection. Tough and durable. Confident, mature and intense. Has considerable tread remaining on the tires. Negatives:
Lacks ideal height. Shows some tightness in his hips and produced marginal shuttle times at the Combine. Average elusiveness and leg extension (lacks extra gear to pull away from the pack). Takes time to get rolling (confirmed by paltry 1.64-second 10-yard time at the Combine). Minimal receiving production (was barely used in this area). Carries the ball loosely and ball security has been an issue. Slid to No. 2 on the depth chart as a junior. Summary:
Compactly built with an NFL body, Baker is a strong, competitive, tough back with broad appeal given his scheme versatility and pro makeup. Took a back seat to Le’Veon Bell as a junior, but his running skills play well in man- or zone-blocking schemes and he is capable of sharing the load in tandem or shouldering 20-plus carries if need be. Has been described as a poor man’s Ray Rice by NFL evaluators. http://www.profootballweekly.com/prospects/player/edwin-baker-4/
Baker is younger. Choice was drafted in 2008. Do you really think that signing Choice would be smarter than signing Baker? Are we going to the playoffs this year? Seriously, man..........
And to clarify...........I am not saying Baker is anything special, but really................???? Tashard Choice is the answer?
Quote: We could have gotten Choice if we put a claim on him, he was on waivers. He passed waivers unclaimed though and then signed with Indy
Baker I remember being a plodder and useless as a receiver. Makes no sense to me
OMG.........we passed on the great Tashard Choice. We would have had such a great running game if only our FO wasn't so stupid.
Got news for both of you guys..........McGahee, as old as he is, is better than Choice and I would rather take a shot on Baker [which probably will not pan out] than sign a guy like Choice. But yeah...........it makes no sense to you two.
Aaarrgh! You are the one injecting the "stupid" FO into this discussion, not me. I specifically stated earlier that my comment was NOT a direct shot at the FO. And for the record: I have always been a McGahee fan since his days with the Bills...
So this was agenda to you? Really? You're truly paranoid
I actually corrected your initial claim that he was signed by Indy the day after he was cut, which made it Sound like we had no shot at him.
Then I disagreed to sign Baker, a RB in his 3rd season without an actual NFL carry over Choice, a career 4.3ypc runner in his 6th season. I hoped we'd put a claim on him when I read that he was cut by the Bills.
I have an opinion and made a point and now tell us what your "contribution" was to this? I even put your lame game in my sig with the hope you'd stop this redundant crap
Seriously, you guys are going to make a big deal over this? Choice vs. Baker?
1. Thanks for misquoting me out of comtext again to prove my point. "Makes no sense TO ME" is the full quote and denotes, surprise, my opinion, which you try to misconstrue, bend, reduce again and again and again.....
2. Hilarious. I invite anyone to re-read this intellectual back and forth on the Instant Classic Baker/Choice debate that ends with Vers accusing the posters he attacked to make a big deal out of it
Quote: If you have a chance to improve yourself, etc...
Quote: Why trade up for TRich? Why draft Weeden?
We still playing that game?
How about this one? Why trade TRich to Indy?
You really wanna talk about Choice, while not mentioning the other stuff? Really?
Where are you going with this...and why? My only contention is that the RB position is getting poorer each week...or should I say "weak".
I didn't take this remark as a slam against the person making the comment being responded to.
I think that too many people are too jumpy and have too thin skin to take any discussion as just that, discussion. If someone asks them a question about why they make a statement, they get all bent out of shape about it.
Answer as simply as you think you can and leave it at that.
Baker vs. Choice? Who cares? Neither one would be here past the end of the season anyway, if that long. It's silly to argue about that. Frankly, it's silly to suggest that we should have signed Choice over Baker. What's the point in it?
Can we get back to discussing Caleb Hanie being cut on a Caleb Hanie thread?
J/C ...... maybe the Browns brain trust felt that one older RB was enough, and they wanted to take a look at another kid with potential to help them next year.
Choice, at 29, probably isn't going to be that guy ...... and one older RB on the roster was probably enough.
I read a few scouting reports on this new kid, and have seen him referred to as a "poor man's Ray Rice".
yeah the kid has alot of tools, and runs with authority. im looking forward to watching him in an orange helmet sunday. hopefully he gets the chance to show what he can do sooner rather than later.i think alot of the doubters on this board will be pleasently surprised.
Quote: Neither of these guys talk about how we fleeced the Colts...
That was beyond the scope of the original discussion, another story altogether. You are trying to bait me with a can-o-worms. It won't work...although a 6 pack of cold ones might do the trick.
Quote: yeah the kid has alot of tools, and runs with authority. im looking forward to watching him in an orange helmet sunday. hopefully he gets the chance to show what he can do sooner rather than later.i think alot of the doubters on this board will be pleasently surprised.
Quote: yeah the kid has alot of tools, and runs with authority. im looking forward to watching him in an orange helmet sunday. hopefully he gets the chance to show what he can do sooner rather than later.i think alot of the doubters on this board will be pleasently surprised.
Aaarrgh! You are the one injecting the "stupid" FO into this discussion, not me. I specifically stated earlier that my comment was NOT a direct shot at the FO. And for the record: I have always been a McGahee fan since his days with the Bills...
