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Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 07:06 AM
I'm not really sure what a player engagement director does ...... but evidently Haslam didn't like the job Shea did as one.

Cleveland Browns part ways with player engagement director Aaron Shea | cleveland.com
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/03/cleveland_browns_part_ways_wit_3.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Aaron Shea, the Browns’ director of player engagement, announced on Twitter he’s been fired.

The former Browns tight end had served as the club liaison since 2011. Prior to that, he also had worked three years as a sales associate in suite operations. Shea was believed to be in the final year of his contract.

The club confirmed the report late Friday night.

“The Browns would like to thank Aaron for his years of service to the team,” a team spokesman wrote. “The organization is going to be moving in another direction with the player-engagement role.”

After learning of the news, Browns guard Jason Pinkston tweeted: "Thank you for everything really helped out a lot over the years gonna miss ya boss man."

The Browns drafted the tight end in 2000. He caught 97 passes for 851 yards and seven touchdowns in six seasons. Shea spent his final NFL season on the injured list with the San Diego Chargers.


Browns nation my 9 lives have run out tonight. They fired me tonight and it has been a good run. Going to miss being around the guys!

— Aaron Shea (@AShea36) March 8, 2014
Posted By: RocketOptimist Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 07:42 AM
Cue Tony Rizzo report on Bernie acquiring position with the team.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 10:44 AM
Yet another stupid move
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 12:13 PM
Not for nothing, but I actually forgot that he was still around. Good guy. Met him once at one of the camp days I visited. Very open and approachable.

But if I'm to be perfectly honest here, what was his job again? I guess I don't understand the title. Anyway, it doesn't sound like a job that would be easy to screw up so I'm a bit confused..

He must have ticked someone off....
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 12:21 PM
Haslam the Assassin.
Posted By: Dave Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 12:24 PM
Probably its because he went to Michigan. Or maybe he forgot to kiss Jim Brown's ring.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 12:45 PM
Thanks for the hard werk, Aaron. Good luck in whatever is next.

He was our player at our local banquet years ago. Very friendly and outgoing. Helped me with a few things at camp and was generous with his time, personally introduced me to a few other "name" veterans, and several players. Stay classy!
Posted By: BADdog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 02:28 PM
I found this still dont know what it is.

http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/NFL_Player_Engagement
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:06 PM
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I found this still dont know what it is.

http://speedydeletion.wikia.com/wiki/NFL_Player_Engagement




LIke I said, I met Aaron once and with my brief exposure to him, he would appear to be the perfect guy for this role.

Again, I think he just ticked someone off. Who, I don't know..

Where does this position fall in the org chart.. Under Farmer or Schiener?

I can see it fitting under either one. Given that it's about and for players it could fit under Farmer. But it's also administrative in nature given that it doesn't seem to have much to do with on field performance directly.

If I had to guess (and that's all it is) I'd say administrative which puts it under Schinener.

Man, I gotta learn how to spell that guys name LOL

I see no way that it reports directly to Haslam but that doesn't mean that Shay didn't step on Haslams toes walking down the hallway.
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:12 PM
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Haslam the Assassin.




I like it.

Taking out the trash.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:15 PM
This pretty much sums it up. "The mission of Player Engagement is to optimize and revolutionize the personal and professional growth of football players through continuous guidance and support before, during and beyond their NFL experience. The unique needs of our players are met through five areas of programming: Career Development, Career Transition, Continuing Education, Financial Education and Player Assistance and Counseling Services.

NFL Player Engagement prepares and supports players mentally, emotionally and physically for life on the gridiron and after their NFL experience. Utilizing programs such as NFL Prep, NFL Life, and NFL Next, the NFL Player Engagement department assists players in adjusting to life within the NFL, while challenging them to prepare for their post NFL career. "

Aaron was very well liked and respected by the players. It's a shame that the Browns let him go
Posted By: Chrispierce Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:30 PM

So he was a liaison between the team and players I guess,or players they are looking at maybe? Never heard of that position before,but at any rate I recognized his name in the thread title,and I wish him the best.I'm sure it's just that he was in his last year of a contract and they either didn't want to pay more,or have a friend to give the job to,or are just dumping it altogether.I don't know but it seems like they parted on good terms.Shea sounds like a really nice man,and didn't even know he was working for us this whole time...lolol
Posted By: ddubia Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:38 PM
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Haslam the Assassin.




I feel that way too. But honestly, there's been very little of any good since our return in '99. We need to change the culture into that of a winning organization.

Now I'm not sure what that takes. But frankly it surely takes something very different than what we've had under the Lerner regime.

I've seen Aaron Shea on TV talking Browns and thought, for the most part, that he held a realistic view of the team and did not seem to be one to kowtow to the organization.

For that I'm sorry to see him go. But beyond those short TV appearances I have no idea what his job was nor his responsibilities within it nor how well he performed.

I'm looking at this the same way I try to view the roster. That is, to not play favorites because of the person or the personality, but rather accept a cut or a signing, expecting either to be because of talent and ability to help the team win.

Apparently someone has decided to do away with the title Shea held or feels they've found him lacking in his duties and/or believes they've found someone else who can do the job better.

For whichever reason Shea is out and I have to accept it. If there's one thing I've learned in my years is that I have to accept the things I cannot change or live with the grumpiness my discontent creates within me. These days I prefer to accept and attempt to understand.

What makes it easier for me to accept it is the knowledge that over 15 years of utter failure demands changes.

Chud out, Banner out, new people in, organizational hierarchy changes... whatever it takes to attempt to move the organization forward. So I don't care if he leaves not one that pissith against a wall, just so the culture changes and he builds a winning organization.

Haslem is the anti-Lerner. Maybe that's the beginning of what it takes.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 03:42 PM
I'm sure he did his job. But smart move dumb move, I doubt if the persona and future of this team rides with Shea.

Player engagement I think is possibly an educational position for the players to adjust to financial responsibilities continue learning. Get into the programs offered by the NFL for Media and management positions within the NFL.

I do know that sometimes when somebody has the job for a long time especially in football the fire to excel and push goes out. Not saying that happened to Shea. Just don't think its a very relevant move to our well being. We'll also see who replaces him. Another player who is respected more?

All we can do is say thank you to Shea - glad he stuck with us through the years.

jmho
Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:01 PM
Under the catagory of Browns front office is...
...Player Support...
.....Training & Medical
.....Equipment
.....Video
.....Player Engagement
.........Aaron Shea Director, Player Engagement
.........James Bell Performance Specialist
.........Russell Maryland Player Engagement Assistant

web page

Maybe Bell or Maryland are going to move up into the director position or the someone in upper management has someone in mind.
Posted By: jb52 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:08 PM
j/c

So he was like the high school guidance counselor for the Browns? Wasn't even aware of positions like this.
Posted By: Chrispierce Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:13 PM
Wow!! Maryland is on our staff? Haven't heard his name in a long time.I bet you're right though,they are most likely moving him into that spot.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:36 PM
Written less than 3 months ago

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...ture?src=mobile
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:53 PM
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Written less than 3 months ago

http://espn.go.com/blog/cleveland-browns...ture?src=mobile




I don't find his being good at the job described a surprise. He seemed perfect for that kind of assignment.

Not sure what the problem was..
Posted By: ExclDawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:54 PM
And we just fired the guy?

Either he ticked off somebody high up in the organization ... or Josh Gordon just got picked up by the police again last night.
Posted By: lampdogg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:58 PM
I don`t get to post much anymore, and I might be late to the party, but the front office debacle for the past three month has been bleepin embarrassing.

From Chud, to Banner & Lombardi....

I am calm, I am cool and collected, so I can say without drama that I am starting to not care so much. If that makes me a fairweather, so be it... any guy who`s been a Browns fan for the past 25 years and more deserves to have some slack.

I really wish Randy Lerner hadn't sold the team, at least most of his decisions seemed well-thought out, even if they didn`t bring the results we wanted.

Not saying I`m done with the Browns, but they`re starting to lose me. I'd still be a fan, but I can see myself losing the passion.
And its not a decision I am MAKING, it`s just a feeling that`s happening naturally. This team wears me out, game after game, year after year, embarrassment after embarrassment.

Otherwise, happy Saturday!
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:59 PM
Firing Aaron Shea will have little to do with the on field performance.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 04:59 PM
Thanks for the explanation of what's involved with the job and the link to the article.

It seems with every new regime we see a lot of changes. Some for the good and some not so good. I don't know who they have slotted to take over the position, but I always thought Shea was a stand up guy and it sounds like his position may have been more important than many have thought it was.

I sure wouldn't want to be in Miami's shoes.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:00 PM
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"He has that first-hand knowledge and experience [as an ex-player,]" Ward said. "We trust him. Shea, he does a great job with us. He speaks both sides. He balances himself equally with the [front office] and the players.

"I know everybody on this team loves what he does."




Maybe Haslam and the new FO didn't like how he supported both sides?
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:11 PM
Yeah, I don't think Haslam likes that. My view of Haslam is he is an accidental billionaire ...inheriting the company that daddy built. He's a half wit, short-fused, idiot who could really care less about the Browns. He knows the fans will show up no matter what and if the fans somehow get tired of double digit loss seasons, he'll just sell the team.

Make no mistake...do not cross Haslam....he will simply take out the trash. I think we should call him the Garbage Man.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:16 PM
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My view of Haslam is he is an accidental billionaire ...inheriting the company that daddy built.




Wasn't the company relatively small when Haslam took over? I thought he was the one that built it into the huge company it is today?
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:20 PM
I hate using purple font...ruins the whole effect of the sarcasm thing, IMO.
Posted By: Hoarddawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:21 PM
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I don`t get to post much anymore, and I might be late to the party, but the front office debacle for the past three month has been bleepin embarrassing.

From Chud, to Banner & Lombardi....

I am calm, I am cool and collected, so I can say without drama that I am starting to not care so much. If that makes me a fairweather, so be it... any guy who`s been a Browns fan for the past 25 years and more deserves to have some slack.

I really wish Randy Lerner hadn't sold the team, at least most of his decisions seemed well-thought out, even if they didn`t bring the results we wanted.

Not saying I`m done with the Browns, but they`re starting to lose me. I'd still be a fan, but I can see myself losing the passion.
And its not a decision I am MAKING, it`s just a feeling that`s happening naturally. This team wears me out, game after game, year after year, embarrassment after embarrassment.

Otherwise, happy Saturday!




I could not put this any better than it is here. I absolutely feel exactly the same way. It's not that I am not a Browns fan anymore, it's more that I just don't care anymore. If they turn things around, great, but realistically, I don't expect it. So there is no way they can disappoint me, since I have such low expectations for them.
Posted By: bugs Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:22 PM
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My view of Haslam is he is an accidental billionaire ...inheriting the company that daddy built.




Wasn't the company relatively small when Haslam took over? I thought he was the one that built it into the huge company it is today?




Yea, I was going to post this same thought.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:22 PM
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I hate using purple font...ruins the whole effect of the sarcasm thing, IMO.




I don't like using it either.

I must be used to the people who actually say stuff like that.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:23 PM
welcome back, Lampy!

if it's any consolation, I'm suffering from BFF* too-




*BFF: Browns Fan Fatigue
Posted By: Rishuz Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 05:27 PM
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Quote:

I hate using purple font...ruins the whole effect of the sarcasm thing, IMO.




I don't like using it either.

I must be used to the people who actually say stuff like that.




That made me laugh my arse off.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 07:28 PM
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My view of Haslam is he is an accidental billionaire ...inheriting the company that daddy built




that is a common belief but it's not accurate.

Jim Haslam (his father) built a pretty good sized organization over the years. Maybe somewhere 5 billion when Jimmy took over as President and then CEO.

Jimmy Haslam, while still in college, joined the board of Pilot Corp in 1974 taking the seat his mother held until her death that year.

As time passed, he eventually took over the entire corporation as it's CEO. At that time, the company had sales of about 5 billion.

Jimmy Haslam did indeed get hold of a large corporation.. No quesiton about it, but it was he who engineered the split with Marathon and it was he that negotiated the deal to buy Flying J from the Call family.

Under his leadership, the company grew, both naturally and through aquisition of several companies (including Flying J) to over 28 billion dollars.

So while it's true, he took over something that his father was very successful at, he built it into a HUGE company that is virtually unrivaled in the industry.

Regarding the Browns, I don't know if any of the moves that Haslam has made will end up being the right moves down the road. I honestly have no idea. Not one of us know for sure what will happen. We can only argue about it, but we won't know until we know.

This much we all can agree on however.. Everything that has taken place by the former owner (Al and Randy Lerner) and the former GM's, VPs, Coaching staffs, personnel men, draft gurus etc, hasn't produced anything much to be proud of.

we can also add in that the first year of the Haslam regime hasn't exactly been one to be proud of either. In fact, I think it's safe to say that the last year or so under Haslam has been the most tumultuous since 1999.

Don't know who said it, but I remember reading that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result.

Maybe (and its a big maybe at this point) what we needed was a shake up of major proportions.

Maybe the reason Shea is gone is because he didn't like the change in culture which is pretty apparent. (not that he didn't like it, but that it's apparent the Culture is changing)

Maybe he showed displeasure with it and they decided that it's better to cut him out.

Nothing that has been tried so far has actually worked. SO why do we (that includes me at times) get so upset when things change?

Can't tell you guys what to do, but I'm just going to lay back and watch it unfold. Honestly, what else is there to do.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 08:10 PM
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Regarding the Browns, I don't know if any of the moves that Haslam has made will end up being the right moves down the road. I honestly have no idea. Not one of us know for sure what will happen. We can only argue about it, but we won't know until we know.




... and argue we will!!!!
Posted By: Cincy_Dawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 08:57 PM
So he was Counseling the likes of Davone Bess, etc....?
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 09:13 PM
Quote:

Quote:

Regarding the Browns, I don't know if any of the moves that Haslam has made will end up being the right moves down the road. I honestly have no idea. Not one of us know for sure what will happen. We can only argue about it, but we won't know until we know.




... and argue we will!!!!




Yup and in the end, it will mean nothing.. LOL

Even if you argue a point and that point comes to pass, what does it mean? Not a damn thing
Posted By: Alpoe19 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 09:18 PM
I never had any faith in Lerner. He just didn't care that much about running the browns. Sure he spent money, but his hires in the front office were a disaster. No owner in their right mind, would've gave Holmgren all that money to work banking hours. He really took Lerner to the cleaners, and that was Randy's own fault for being an absentee owner. I'm skeptical of Haslem, but at least you know he gives a damn. But I think he is strictly money hungry more than anything else. Just hope he gets the results that we're looking for.
Posted By: BleedsOrange Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 10:46 PM
I dunno... maybe Haslam found the leak?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 11:25 PM
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I never had any faith in Lerner. He just didn't care that much about running the browns. Sure he spent money, but his hires in the front office were a disaster.




To me these things combined make no sense. If he didn't care about the Browns, why did he pay out all those contracts, many overlapping to try to find success here?

I agree that he wasn't a good owner, but I don't believe it was due to a lack of effort or not caring. You don't pay HC's and GM's overlapping contracts trying to find the right people if you don't care.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 11:28 PM
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"He has that first-hand knowledge and experience [as an ex-player,]" Ward said. "We trust him. Shea, he does a great job with us. He speaks both sides. He balances himself equally with the [front office] and the players.

"I know everybody on this team loves what he does."




Maybe Haslam and the new FO didn't like how he supported both sides?




Aaron is moving on with a great attitude, he will be missed by many folks in the organization from players to many front office folks. I wish him, his wife, and his kids nothing but the best. You will be missed in Cleveland bro
Posted By: brownsdog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 11:38 PM
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So he was Counseling the likes of Davone Bess, etc....?




This is what I was thinking ^

Maybe the Bess fiasco ended up on Sheas stoop.

Maybe the Gordon mess ended up on Sheas stoop???

I dont know but this could be some of why he was let go
Posted By: Tulsa Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/08/14 11:57 PM
He was probably just a victim of having a position where he didn't generate any revenue for the organization and they eliminated it.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 02:06 AM
He's always had a positive attitude. So why did they fire him, bro?
Posted By: illegalmoe Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 04:29 AM
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He's always had a positive attitude. So why did they fire him, bro?



His medical was too high.
Posted By: CHSDawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 04:47 AM
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He's always had a positive attitude. So why did they fire him, bro?



His medical was too high.




Thanks, Obama?
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 04:58 AM
A positive attitude doesn't guarantee employment. We don't know why he was fired.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 11:16 AM
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A positive attitude doesn't guarantee employment. We don't know why he was fired.





Right...and in the end, who really cares? We are talking about a guy many didn't know was a part of the team and even more didn't know what he did.

If I was going to pick one of the gusses presented here, I'll go with the leak.
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 12:29 PM
Aaron got Chud-bombed. Kinda like a SCUD, but on a more personal level. Seemed like a player advocate/watchdog/ gopher or more.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 01:24 PM
j/c...
We've been through so much as fans...way before 1999.

Some say that's it I don't care anymore. Some say Haslam is a good owner for what he's done. Some say he's a bad owner for what he's done.

I say - we have been through so much why don't we judge these moves until After some results. I'm not saying to not have an opinion of these moves...go right ahead and dislike it or like it. But for those who are judging it as a definite BAD or GOOD...how bout we do that in 2-3 years when we start seeing the results.

Who knows here why we fired Shea?
What was the thought process. Who is he linked to in the FO? The President? The GM. Possibly Farmer (and mind you I don't have a clue) has a better relationship with Maryland. Possibly Shea took an attitude of don't tell me what to do - I know more than you? Who Knows? Why.

If there is a void I'm sure it will get filled.

I care about those who have been fired...but if it brings an organization that will have continuity and stability and most important SUCCESS. I welcome it. Instead of being that's it I don't care anymore. I"m more of I DON'T CARE as long as it works! But I'll give it a shot just like I have about 6, 7 times before. I know one of these times it will stick.

And it might not even be the decisions at hand. That we actually are destined to turn it around.
1. Core players young and drafted/udfa.
2. 10 draft picks 3 in top 35. then multiple picks the next two rounds.
3. Highest Cap Room in the NFL or top 2.

Young but experience FO in Pres. n GM - both here so there is not much of a transition.
Head Coach young and seems to be his timing. Has galvanized his team where ever he has been.

Yep Shea was fired...like in the realm of things - so what?
Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 02:48 PM
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Young but experience FO in Pres. n GM - both here so there is not much of a transition.
Head Coach young and seems to be his timing. Has galvanized his team where ever he has been.

Yep Shea was fired...like in the realm of things - so what?




eo...like it or not, the new guys running the show will be judged on every move they make, right down to a guy who held the position of Director of Engagement.

Sounds like Shea was liked by the players but the fact is, we don't know much about what he did.

This new group needs to understand, we the fans care about every move, especially if the move is to replace someone who did do a good job of helping the players..earned their trust..and was an asset the players felt comfortable dealing with.

The way Shea was fired, it looks as though management attempted to slide the move out of the view of the fans and media...firing the guy on a Friday night and not face to face. That's the chickencrap way of firing someone and who ever is responsible will be looked at as someone less than "manly".

But how many times have Browns fans seen such "chickencrap" moves by Browns management? It smells...smells of "cronyism"...fire someone who was doing a good job just so a coach or someone in management can give a buddy the job.

I was hoping the new guys running the show would be different than the type of management that was just fired. I will hold my final judgement to see if the individual being brought in appears to be better qualified and better suited to do the job. I'm all for improving the organization at every level....from owner on down.

So I will withhold judgement to see if the new guy or gal filling Shea's position is someone qualified and an improvement...or will Shea's replacement simply be a buddy or relative of a member of management or the coaching staff?

Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 03:16 PM
Best wishes to you Aaron.

I always liked you as a player, but didn't know anything about you in your post-football role. I hope it all works out well and for the best in the long run.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 07:05 PM
.fire someone who was doing a good job just so a coach or someone in management can give a buddy the job.

Should would be nice if there was just a nano shred of proof to that claim/comment.

I lost the book to the Sandy Storm floods - But Ron Wolf's book explains certain changes that need to be made...and he devoted a good portion of a chapter on these kind of things. And it was about jobs that were not indicative of Regime changes. But something happens when there are Regimes coming n going how that effects peoples jobs within the organization.

Maybe just maybe and as stated before I have no shred of proof. Maybe there was a lack of communication between Shea and the new guys that predicated this change.

As for the players liking him. Everything that position is for is to help the players...they will like/love/respect anyone that holds the position over the year and is HELPED. Just like people naturally like their Nurses who take care of them with kindness. or a Waitress...or a Shea.

Give a buddy??? A job...cynicism at its highest I guess! Communication is needed for all positions in an organization. This I know.

jmho
Posted By: E.Ryze19 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/09/14 07:22 PM
I got you Daman, I liked Shea also. My point, is everything has to be put in a negative light by those looking to criticize the franchise. Too many times, when former Browns players are concerned, the loyalty of some fans is a little over the top.

It is good to like active and former players, but sometimes that admiration becomes a little much, especially when it comes to players who have past their peak. Teams get rid of people all the time, it is the nature of the business. There isn't always some underhanded deed going on. Just because we like a player or a FO person, that doesn't necessarily mean that they are the best guy for the position.

New staffs have people from previous jobs that they feel comfortable with. I think that is all that is happening here.

Just like losing DQ, many want to strike out at the team for him leaving, when it has clearly been reported that he wanted out, and got his wish. I think the FO was more than fair with him, as to give him plenty of time to explore his options.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 12:16 AM
You will almost always find negative nancys and it doesn't actually matter the action taken by the team

Example: Move up to the first pick to take Bridgewater, give up our 1st and second 1st and a second and third round pick to move up.

You will have some hailing that as the best move the franchise has ever made since 99 and you will have those that think it's idiotic to give up that much and they will site Russell Wilson, a 3rd round pick who just won a Super Bowl.

It's a no win situation.

Even if Bridgwater leads us to a superbowl and wins, I guarantee you someone will say he missed two passes and should have been pulled

LIke I said, No Win
Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 10:30 AM
eo..why quote just part of my comment? ...

"This new group needs to understand, we the fans care about every move, especially if the move is to replace someone who did do a good job of helping the players..earned their trust..and was an asset the players felt comfortable dealing with."

...and here is what you quoted...".fire someone who was doing a good job just so a coach or someone in management can give a buddy the job. "

Not quite the same, is it?

EO...then you go on your fictional attack leading with this...-"Should would be nice if there was just a nano shred of proof to that claim/comment."

Nothing like misquoting what I said or taking my quote out of context...right?
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 10:35 AM
Lets put it this way Mac...forget about the quotes just tell me just what did you mean?

Do you believe that partial quote I made to be true? That's all I ask. If you do not believe that and was stating it as something others believe I have no problems giving you a my bad. If you meant it - then you are just playing games with me?

Sometimes it is that simple.
Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 10:40 AM
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As far as this being a "chickencrap" move, GMAFB, you act like guys in Shea's posiiton are hanging out with the owner and coaching staff, there is probably very little contact with the FO at this time of year with guys on this level.




er...what did I say was "chickencrap"?

Go back and read what I was referring to when I used the word "chickencrap".

Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 11:12 AM
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Lets put it this way Mac...forget about the quotes just tell me just what did you mean?

Do you believe that partial quote I made to be true? That's all I ask. If you do not believe that and was stating it as something others believe I have no problems giving you a my bad. If you meant it - then you are just playing games with me?

Sometimes it is that simple.




eo...NO, I will not forget about the quotes...

You may think it's ok to misquote someone words or quote out of context...I DON'T think it's ok.

The word I wrote, that you conveniently left out...IF...has meaning. It adds a condition..or the statement becomes conditional.

You changed the entire context of what I said when you quoted me.

NO, your partial quote is not true.

Read my entire comment again...it's not hard to understand...

"This new group needs to understand, we the fans care about every move, especially if the move is to replace someone who did do a good job of helping the players..earned their trust..and was an asset the players felt comfortable dealing with."

Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 12:40 PM
Mac you are unbelievable.

Of course you left out the summary which is what I focused on. Again I ask you do you believe that you were correct in your Assumption regarding the firing. That it was to put a buddy in that place?

You think somehow in your imaginary world that by adding that part which you really have no idea of what was going on. That it "Justifies" the final comments that you came up with. Sorry it does not. So there was NOTHING taken out of context. There was NO MISQUOTE....those were your words and it was your synopsis of your opinion.
Posted By: ddubia Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 01:32 PM
Be prepared to have this insignificant "quote thing" ridden to death and then beaten long after it dies.

mac is not one to give up on a perceived misrepresentation.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 02:31 PM
Posted By: DCDAWGFAN Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 03:15 PM
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The way Shea was fired, it looks as though management attempted to slide the move out of the view of the fans and media...firing the guy on a Friday night and not face to face.



I'm sure Haslam and upper management had many meetings trying to assess the PR ramifications of how and when they fired the player engagement director... a position most of us didn't know existed.
Posted By: sham63 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 03:54 PM
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The way Shea was fired, it looks as though management attempted to slide the move out of the view of the fans and media...firing the guy on a Friday night and not face to face.



I'm sure Haslam and upper management had many meetings trying to assess the PR ramifications of how and when they fired the player engagement director... a position most of us didn't know existed.




I know, some are acting like we cut an pro bowl tight end that is maybe a little on the old side.
Posted By: pblack18707 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 09:36 PM
Curious move to let Shea go

The Cleveland Browns made a bit of a head-scratching behind-the-scenes move Friday.

The team decided to part ways with Aaron Shea, the team’s Player Engagement Director. Shea was a Browns draft pick in 1999 and a productive player. He spent six years in the organization, the last three as Player Engagement Director (a job some teams call player development). His departure appears to be the fallout from the change in GM and coach.

A coach and GM often want their own guy. That’s fair, and Shea probably understands that. But when a team lets go of an employee who handled his job as adeptly and well as Shea it creates a need that didn’t exist.

The team is not commenting extensively on the decision.

“The Browns would like to thank Aaron for his years of service to the team,” a team spokesman said. “The organization is going to be moving in another direction with the player-engagement role.”

The Browns do lose something with this move. They lose continuity, an established way of doing things, and a way that worked. Shea did that good a job. As the Richie Incognito-Jonathan Martin issue developed in Miami, I started to think about why it happens with some teams and not others. So I started to ask trustworthy folks, with and not with the team, about the Browns. Folks who would know.

They all said the most overlooked person in the Miami situation was the player-engagement person. That person is in the locker room as much as anyone, they said, and he is the one who should notice what’s taking place and make sure the coach addresses it.

SI.Com’s Greg Bedard confirmed this in a recent story, when he wrote that many in the league wondered about the player development guy in Miami. As one player said: “That’s the guy we all go to when we have any problems. If they can’t help us [themselves], we know they’re going to get us the help we need with no repercussions.”

I asked a few of the Browns players about Shea. Starters, backups, rookies, veterans ... all said he did a tremendous job and, combined with the character of the team’s leadership, kept a lid on issues. Guys from Ahtyba Rubin to Joe Thomas to T.J. Ward all spoke glowingly of him.

Player development has morphed into a multi-task job. It entails things as varied as making sure players find housing to players being on time for meetings. He also monitors the locker room culture. With the Browns, rookies had to earn their way, but there wasn’t the usual hijinks of shaved heads and other over-the-top nonsense.

It was not a coincidence.

If the Browns wanted to make this move, there was nothing stopping them. They could. But as we often teach our kids, just because you can doesn’t mean you should.

A team takes a hit when it gets rid of good people who do good jobs.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/119733/curious-move-to-let-shea-go
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/10/14 11:47 PM
Hmmmmm.........
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 12:12 AM
Curious.

I wonder what the other side of the story is.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 12:24 AM
Me too.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 12:37 AM
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The Browns do lose something with this move. They lose continuity, an established way of doing things, and a way that worked.




that might be the reason right there.

If they think that the "established way of doing things" isn't the way they want to do things, then yeah, I can see them wanting to go in another direction.

Given the success or lack of success of the organization as a whole, maybe any and every thing is being looked at and retooled.

When you think of how badly we've done over the last billion years (not really) maybe, just maybe to change the culture, you clean house.

Unfortunately, whenever that happens, even in the business world, there are those that don't deserve to be cut loose that get the axe.

It's a shame, but it's the way it works.. I'm sure that anyone that has worked in a large organization will tell you that is just what happens at times. Things don't go right and sometimes, the baby gets thrown out with the bath water. Easy to call it dumb and sometimes, that's exactly what it is. Other times, it's exactly what's needed and you don't realize it until way down the road.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 12:40 AM
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 01:03 AM
The Browns are not going to let anybody know why Aaron is gone. Aaron has to much class and respect for the organization to complain. I don't think we ever will get the true answer as to why we let him go. I said it was a big mistake to let him go and I ment that 110 percent guys. Maybe a lot people had no clue what he did for the Browns, but the players, and people in the front office knew. I am done with this thread and going to let sleeping dogs lie.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 01:14 AM
I can read between the lines.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 03:18 AM
Well, it's obvious that Haslam wants a whole new dynamic and attitude inside Berea, so I suspect that there will be more changes to come. Most of the changes at this level probably aren't make or break though.
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 03:27 AM
Has Pat McManamon always been this negative or is this a new development?
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 04:37 AM
He was always that negative, even when he worked for the Browns
Posted By: pblack18707 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 09:01 AM
j\c

I thought one of his jobs were to keep players out of trouble? I thought that's why he was fired?
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 09:12 AM
They let him go for a reason. We just won't know.

I am pretty confident we didn't let him go because he was doing a great job or because Jimmy or Ray woke up one morning and decided to make a change.

If it wasn't something like being a bit loose lipped with the media, it probably is about working relationship with the head coach. I'd say the head coach decides who fills that role. While Shea was the eyes and ears for the players, he is also the eyes and ears for the coaches. Maybe the two didn't hit it off so to speak, or Pettine viewed the position differently than Shea did?
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 11:01 AM
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Well, it's obvious that Haslam wants a whole new dynamic and attitude inside Berea, so I suspect that there will be more changes to come. Most of the changes at this level probably aren't make or break though.




Well, sometimes things start at the bottom and rise up. This could be that kinda thing. One thing I'm pretty sure of is that we'll never hear the facts from the Browns.. Might someday hear it from Shea. We'll see I guess.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 11:22 AM
j/c

I can't believe this thread is still going. This is a serious case of over-thinking what we don't know.
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 11:30 AM
Couldn't agree more.
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 01:50 PM
GM I'm sure he was well respected in the Offices and by the players of this organization.

In the realm of things that have gone on the last 4 months - I doubt this mistake (if it indeed is one) will change a thing. I also doubt this is the straw that broke the camels back.

Someone will be hired - probably in house. I'm sure they will do a good job - it doesn't seem to be a difficult job just one that needs to be done and kept up with.

Also anyone think that the Bess situation had some ramifications in this? All I've read is the good well the good did not seem to be difficult. Actually seems like a great job to have. But maybe the failure of Bess, the failure of Gordon failing a test, the failure of Haden testing positive for A.D.D. drugs the new party drug at the time.

Having a Koom-by-yah locker room compared with the Dolphins. What I am saying is possibly it wasn't all roses...only cause until a couple of days ago I didn't even remember he worked for us nor what his job description was.

jmho
Posted By: pblack18707 Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 01:54 PM
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Also anyone think that the Bess situation had some ramifications in this? All I've read is the good well the good did not seem to be difficult. Actually seems like a great job to have. But maybe the failure of Bess, the failure of Gordon failing a test, the failure of Haden testing positive for A.D.D. drugs the new party drug at the time.




was the first thing that pop into my mind.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 02:19 PM
I was pretty much done with this thread, but I don't think teams expect these guys to be babysitters for the players in their personal lives..
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 03:13 PM
I thought I was done with it too.

Seems to me they are comparing things that aren't related.

The Dolphins debacle was "in house". Going on in the locker room actually on dolphin property under everyone's noses.

The issues brought up above happened away from the team on personal time. Two completely different scenarios IMO
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:15 PM
Sorry thought the education of the Drug restrictions was his responsibility to get across. Thought those were a failure. I didn't compare it to the Dolphins Locker room. I compared his success in talking with our players about it...like it was a really big issue with the players in our locker room...it was in the media not in our locker room but I'm sure he talked with them. That was my comparison as he was praised for that...gee tough job.

The three guys were failures were they not? how can you go pfft no big deal?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:30 PM
There's a difference in inheriting problems and preventing them..

Let's look at two out of the three....

Gordon came into the league with at least three strikes under his belt in the NCAA. Are you trying to indicate that a continuation of a pre-existing problem falls on Shea?

We also found out that in the case of Bess, he had previous problems in Miami. He was already a veteran player when he came here. If that falls on anyone's shoulders, both in the case of Bess and Gordon, those were calculated risks taken by those in charge at the time.

And let's look around at teams like the Ravens, Bengals, both in our own division alone. Are you suggesting that we compare anything close to that?

Here's the thing, you can tell people and teach people all you want, but at some point, they have to be listening. I've seen children all grow up in the same home and you get differing results.

So when you have two guys coming here with a poor track record to begin with, I don't believe that falls on Shea's shoulders. You may see it differently, but to me, there's a difference in being pretty effective at your job and being a miracle worker.

Posted By: mac Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:49 PM
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Also anyone think that the Bess situation had some ramifications in this? All I've read is the good well the good did not seem to be difficult. Actually seems like a great job to have. But maybe the failure of Bess, the failure of Gordon failing a test, the failure of Haden testing positive for A.D.D. drugs the new party drug at the time.





eo...just how in the heck you can link any of the above to Shea needs to explained by "you".

IMO, you are simply grabbing at straws, making up scenarios...and pointing at Shea as if you know he was responsible in some way.

It might be best if you just admitted, you don't have a clue why he was fired !
Posted By: eotab Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:51 PM
like you are teaching me something. I just like you understand the 3 situations. Question is does this fall under his realm or does it not? That is all I ask. If it does it counts a far lot more than speaking to OUR GUYS about somebody's locker room that was not a great deal with the players as it was with the media.

What was there a Prison riot that he stopped...lol He freaking talked about unrest in some other teams locker room which was irrelevant to our own. Glad he talked about it and they had a good sit down. But you make that sound like it was such an achievement that we should even compare it to 3 guys who left our team for games due to something that falls under his realm or duty. If you tell me it was not in his job description with actual knowledge that is different. But that far exceeded the "TALK" he had with the players after the Martin bs stuff.

jmho
Posted By: BpG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:51 PM
I can't believe this reached 3 pages. I did not read anything but Macs above post and the headline.

Probably gonna stay that way.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 05:55 PM
Tim Couch could have done a FAR better job in this role than Aaron Shea ever could have.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 06:46 PM
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Tim Couch could have done a FAR better job in this role than Aaron Shea ever could have.




Oh No you didn't
Posted By: I_Rogue Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 06:49 PM
Some players are "coach killers". Maybe Devon Bess is a "Player engagement Director killer" ?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/11/14 07:05 PM
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Some players are "coach killers". Maybe Devon Bess is a "Player engagement Director killer" ?






I believe it has everything to do with the changing of the guard. It happens.

I just think trying to grasp at straws about how people being brought in with existing issues doesn't fall more on the people who brought them in, rather than a player who is supposed to help guide them.
Posted By: Arps Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/13/14 02:50 PM
J/C

Am I the only one that doesnt care that Aaron Shea was fired? Seriously. Are things that good that this is what we have to worry about?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/13/14 03:18 PM
I'm just trying to figure out why this thread was moved to the Tailgate Lot.

It's about football operations/front office of the Cleveland Browns. We fire the head coach, and it's in PF. We fire the GM, it's in PF. We fire a different member of the front office, and it gets moved.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Browns Fire Aaron Shea - 03/13/14 04:39 PM
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J/C

Am I the only one that doesnt care that Aaron Shea was fired? Seriously. Are things that good that this is what we have to worry about?




It's not so much that I care he lost his position as it is about people casting stones in a guessing game as to why he lost his position.