Michael Oher was released yesterday. Anyone interested?

As depth or a starter?

If I'm making a movie maybe.

How is his named pronounced?

Do we get Sandra Bullock with him?

MY-kull

"or"

Was he a first round pick of OZ/Ravens?

Man how his value dropped. All reasons CAP? or has he been a big disappointment too?

Michael Oher waived/injured by Tennessee Titans

The Oher signing was a head-scratcher from the start. He had been a primary culprit in the Baltimore Ravens' historically inept 2013 rushing attack and was no better in 11 games with the Titans.

Oher, 28, is recovering from surgery after toe arthritis cut his season short in December. Even with a first-round pedigree and a household name, he's going to face a cold market for his services.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000...ennessee-titans

I would definitely be interested in Oher as a person to compete with Schwartz and as a back for both tackle positions.

I thought Ozzie never missed on draft picks? To read this board, he is infallible. All draft picks are gambles.

Who has said that? Seriously.

It's about the body of work. Are you really going to sit here and compare his drafts w/the Browns? Seriously?

and not even that.

they got a SB ring, while we can't even sniff the playoffs.

he must be doing something right.

Bal, Pitt, and NE haven't drafted that well for a while..

They all have QBs.. so they can get away with it..

Where did I compare him with the Browns? Nobody needs to say those exact words, as long as you and I have been reading these boards, if you don't get that people see him as never making a mistake, I don't know what to tell you.

But nowhere did I ever try to compare him to the Browns. It was all about his perception to most of the posters on this board.

If he is healed up and comes at the right price he could help our depth at LT and RT

Actually I'm surprised OZ missed this one cause its an easy evaluation. But OZ had his struggles on O picks. Until he hit on Flacco, funny how that goes, get the QB and all of a sudden WRs you take become good. But he missed on 1st round QBs and WRs for several years there. The D had some long term great players. Lewis n Reed the glue for many years. Ngata and Suggs. Now they go as Flacco goes.

jmho OZ is good and proof that NOBODY is perfect. I hope we get Farmer to become as good as OZ !

Postingthis here because predator was asking about cap situations.

I looked at who I thought could get cut for cap reasons

Arizona
The Cardinals are almost ten million dollars over the cap with not enough fat to cut off.  They will likely lose a major piece of their team this year, whether it be Larry Fitzgerals, Darnell Dockett, or Carson Palmer.
Larry Fitzgerald WR $9.2MM
Darnell Dockett DE $6.8MM
Jerraud Powers CB $4.25MM
Ted Ginn WR $2.5MM
Drew Stanton QB $3MM
John Carlson TE $1.6MM
Atlanta
Atlanta has 7 significant defensive players hitting free agency, so while their $23MM in cap space looks comfortable, it has to stretch a long way.  Also, they are likely to try to work out a long term deal with Julio Jones, who is in the last year of his deal and already accounting for a $10.1MM cap hit.
Steven Jackson RB $3.75MM
Baltimore
The Ravens are in a tough position with needing to clear cap space but not many places where they can regain cap dollars for the year.
Sam Koch P $2.5MM
Jimmy Smith CB $6.9MM Ravens would hate to do this, and maybe they can extend him in such a way to keep him on the roster, but they don't have a lot of flexibility.
Buffalo
Buffalo would like to retain free agent Jerry Hughes, but Hughes has made it clear he will go to the highest bidder, which is unlikely to be Buffalo.
None for cap reasons.  
Carolina
Cam Newton should get an extension, which will have a significant impact on Carolina's cap situation (currently $11MM under the cap).  Newton's current cap hit for 2015 is $14.7MM.
Mike Tolbert FB $2.4MM
Chicago
The Bears have plenty of space to resign Stephen Paea and pick up a free agent or two.  Charles Tillman and Lance Briggs are both 34 and free agents, so we will see if John Fox has the vets in the Bears' plans moving forward.
None for cap reasons.  
Cincinnati
With almost $35MM in projected cap space, the Bengals can easily resign Gresham, Maualuga, and Newman.  Everyone else is expendable.
None for cap reasons.  
Cleveland
None for cap reasons.
Dallas Cowboys
The Cowboys have a number of important free agents to re-sign, including Dez Bryant, Demarco Murray, and Rolando McClain.  Bryant's 2015 cap hit on its own will likely surpass the Cowboys' available $7MM+ in cap room.  The Cowboys have had a lot of success in the past pushing dollars around to stay under the cap through restructures, but at some point the bubble will burst.  They have really only one juicy contact they can part with, though it won't be easy on their defense.
Henry Melton DT $8.5MM
Dekoda Watson OLB $1.25MM
Denver Broncos
The Broncos' cap situation is as interesting as they come.  With Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Terrance Knighton, and Orlando Franklin all free agents, their $27MM in cap space can be stretched thin quickly just to retain their own players.  Additionally, Von Miller is in the last year of his deal and will be looking for a big extension.  It's unknown if Peyton Manning will return, which repesents an additional $19MM in potential additional cap space should he decide to hang it up.  Manning leaving, however, would make re-signing these free agents more difficult.
None
Detroit Lions
With Ndamukong Suh opting out of his contract, the Lions' have closer to $31MM in cap space this upcoming offseason.  With Mosley, Fairley, Suh, and Fluellen all free agents, they need to completely re-sign or rebuild their defensive interior.
None for cap reasons.
Green Bay Packers
The Packers have $23MM in cap space to try to retain Randall Cobb, Bryan Bulaga, BJ Raji, and Tramon Williams.  It is generally expected that Randall Cobb will be moving on, as the Packers would likely have to significantly gut their defense in order to retain Cobb.
AJ Hawk ILB $3.5MM
Brad Jones ILB $3.75MM
These two players are only potential cap cuts if the Packers try to retain Cobb.
Houston Texans
The Texans are in a tough spot, with only $10.5MM in projected cap room and a number of key players hitting free agency (CB Kareem Jackson, RT Derek Newton, S Danieal Manning, OLB Brooks Reed, S Kendrick Lewis, QB Ryan Mallett.)  Though it seem like heresy to consider parting ways with the still-productive Andre Johnson, moving the 33-year-old's contract could create an additional $8.8MM in cap space.  He is unlikely to be cut, but if they can acquire some asset for him, he could be an appealing piece to a contender at a palatable $10-$11MM cap hit for the next two years.
Andre Johnson WR $8.8MM
Ryan Fitzpatrick QB $3.25MM
Garrett Graham TE $2.5MM
Indianapolis Colts
The Colts have over $30MM in projected cap space with Mike Adams, A.Q. Shipley, and Cory Redding as the only significant free agents needed to be re-signed.  None of them should break the bank.
None for cap reasons.
Jacksonville Jaguars
The Jags have the most cap space in the NFL.
None for cap reasons.
Kansas City Chiefs
The Chiefs are projected to by about $2.3MM over the cap with Eric Berry on the non-football injury list due to his lymphoma.  They have nine players who played significant snaps in 2014 hitting free agency, including Justin Houston and Rodney Hudson who will command big money in free agency.  The Chiefs face some tough decisions this offseason.
Tamba Hali OLB $9MM
Mike DeVito DE $4MM
Chase Daniel QB $3.8MM With Aaron Murray likely to be healed from his ACL, Daniel's contract may be too big to hold on to for a cap-strapped team.
Donnie Avery WR $3.5MM
Anthony Fasano TE $2MM
AJ Jenkins WR $1.3MM
Miami Dolphins
The Dolphins are already almost $2MM over the cap and unlikely to be able to retain any of their significant free agents.  They are sure to explore several options to try to tighten up their payroll such as restructuring Cameron Wake and extending Maurkice Pouncey, but they still have to tighten their belt.
Mike Wallace WR $5.5MM
Dannell Ellerbe LB $5.5MM Ellerbe has been a huge disappointment for Miami.
Brian Hartline WR $3.1MM The Dolphins will likely only keep on of Wallace or Hartline.
Brandon Fields P $3.1MM
Earl Mitchell DT $3MM
Shelley Smith OG $2.75MM
Minnesota Vikings
The Vikings' cap situation depends heavily on whether or not Adrian Peterson is reinstated for 2015.  If he is not, their available cap space balloons to almost $30MM.  Peterson is likely to be reinstated, though.  The Vikings have no significant free agents to re-sign.
Matt Cassel QB $4.75MM
New England Patriots
The Pats are already up against the cap, with less than $1MM in space available and have only three sginificant places they can trim salary.  They have some tough decisions to make at corner.
Darrelle Revis CB $20MM
Vince Wilfork DT $7.5MM
Brandon Browner CB $5MM
New Orleans Saints
It's hard to understand how the Saints got themselves into this much of a mess.  At more than $23 million dollars over the cap, the Saints are likely to have to part ways with Jimmy Graham just one season after giving him a large extension.  As a result, they will have ended up paying him $13MM for a single season.  To avoid completely gutting the team, it appears the Saints will have to get a large restructuring gift from Drew Brees.  Heck, maybe they should trade him, tank the season, and start over.
Marques Colston WR $4.3MM ($7MM if post-June 1st designated)
Jahri Evans OG $6MM
Ben Grubbs OG $3.3MM
Jimmy Graham TE $2MM ($4.5MM if post-June1st designated)
Curtis Lofton ILB $4MM
Brodrick Bunkley NT $3MM
David Hawthorne OLB $3MM
Rafael Bush S $2MM
Pierre Thomas RB $1.7MM
New York Giants
While the Giants have almost $16MM in cap space, they have a ton of significant players hitting free agency, most-notably Jason Pierre Paul and starting safeties Antrel Rolle and Stevie Brown.
Prince Amukamara CB $6.9MM
Mathias Kiwanuka DE/LB $4.8MM
Jon Beason LB $3.5MM
New York Jets
While the Jets may cut Percy Harvin and/or Chris Johnson, it won't be due to cap contraints, as the Jets already have upwards of $50MM in cap room.
None for cap reasons.
Oakland Raiders
One has to think Matt Schaub and MJD are on their way out of Oakland, but it won't be for cap reasons.  The Raiders have north of $50MM in spending available already.
None for cap reasons.
Philadelphia Eagles
Most think Jeremy Maclin will end up walking from the Eagles, who are currently positioned $19MM below the cap.  The Eagles are likely to want to re-sign FA safety Nate Allen and OLB Brandon Graham.
Trent Cole OLB $8.4MM Depending on which direction they want to go at OLB (Graham or Cole), the Eagles may decide that an $11.6MM cap hit is too much for the 32-year-old Cole, whose production has fallen off in recent seasons.
Brenk Celek TE $4.8MM It seems likely the Eagles will part ways with either Celek or Casey, given their high cap numbers and Ertz taking over as the team's top TE.
James Casey TE $4MM
Pittsburgh Steelers
The Steelers are already $1.5 MM over the cap for the upcoming season.  They will likely need some significant restructuring of their current contracts (Troy P, Ben Roethlisberger), as they don't have a lot of wiggle room with cuts.
Troy Polamalu S $3.75MM ($6MM if post-June 1st designated)  It's hard to picture the Steelers cutting Troy Polamalu, but he is not the same player he once was.  With Lebeau out in Pitt, they may just go ahead and turn the page one one of the iconic Steelers of the past decade.
Mike Mitchell S $4MM
Heath Miller TE $2.3MM ($4.6MM if post-June 1st designated)
Lance Moore WR $1.5MM
San Diego Charges
The Chargers have over $25MM in cap room this offseason, but have several starters on the offensive line and in the defensive backfield hitting free agency, or in the case of Jeromy Clary, retiring.  The Chargers may ask QB Philip Rivers to restructure.
Jarret Johnson OLB $5MM
San Francisco 49ers
The 49ers have serious cap issues as they are losing some key players to free agency this offseason in Mike Iupati and Michael Crabtree but are still over the cap.
Patrick Willis ILB $7.5MM With Chris Borland showing up big in a couple games, the 49ers may look at Willis' juicy contract as a place they can cut to help get back under the league's spending threshold.
Stevie Johnson WR $6MM Johnson was mostly unproductive for the 49ers, and represents a large salary opportunity.
Seattle Seahawks
The Seahawks have a few significant players hitting free agency, most-notably CB Byron Maxwell, but likely nobody the Seahawks see as irreplaceable.  With $25MM in cap space, Seattle has room to extend Russell Wilson without dismantling their team.  Marshawn Lynch has been rumored to be on the way out, but that would have more to do with personality conflicts than cap contraints.
None for cap reasons.
St. Louis Rams
The Rams are more than half a million dollars over the cap and have some moves to make.  Probably the least-kept NFL roster secret is that Sam Bradford will not stay with the Rams at his current cap number.  He will be cut, traded, or restructured.
Sam Bradford QB $13MM
Roger Saffold OL $4.25MM
Kendall Langford DT $6MM
Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Tampa has almost $26MM in available cap space and no critical free agents to re-sign.  If there are cuts, it will be due to performance vs. salary (Logan Mankins) and not cap space.
None for cap reasons.
Tennessee Titans
With over $40MM in available cap space, the Titans can't afford to cut any talent to free up more space under the limit.
None for cap reasons.
Washington Redskins
Washington has $13MM of cap room and lots of players to replace this offseason.  The Redskins will not be parting ways with Trent Williams or Ryan Kerrigan, so they have limited options to clear room.
Pierre Garcon WR $5.3MM

Spotrac put out an enourmous, elaborate, excellent list of potential cap casualties.

It doesn't copy and past well, so click the link.

^ Yeah but they listed Gordon as someone who would cost the Browns money in 2015-- which is false. Not sure if that is the only error.

If the Browns cut him, then his signing bonus and any guarantees left would accelerate against the cap this year. (and maybe next, depending on when they made a move to get rid of him)

They also have three guys listed as likely "cap casualties" for the Titans, who have over $40 million in cap room. If they get cut, it's because the coach doesn't want them.

To be fair, that happens all the time. They already cut Oher.

Nothing is owed to Gordon under any circumstance. He's suspended (without pay) and the Browns don't have to pay him a single penny and none of his contract applies to the cap.

They might owe him future guaranteed money if he makes it back to the NFL. They also have his signing bonus hitting the cap as well, though I believe that they might only have one year left to allocate. I am not sure if the original portion due against last year's cap hit or not.

This coming year, though, he won't count at all.

While he is banned nothing from his contract counts towards anything. It's like he doesn't exist because his contract is frozen. When and IF he makes it back it will just resume from the spot he was suspended including all cap hits and bonuses. That's the point the Browns have to make a decision.

True enough, but I think the Browns could even try to recoup part of the signing bonus already paid to him, which would free up even that much more cap space.

They could definitely do that, and I expect them to do so if they cut him at some point.

Rumors are that the 49ers might cut Phil Dawson:

Why? He's done a good job for them.

Tony Grossi ‏@TonyGrossi 36m36 minutes ago
Forget about #Rams QB Sam Bradford being an option for the #Browns. http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/...96a956ba6c.html …

Fisher, Cignetti support Bradford

One of the most noteworthy things to come out of Friday’s introductory press conference for new offensive coordinator Frank Cignetti was how strongly both Cignetti and coach Jeff Fisher came out in support of quarterback Sam Bradford.
Based on what was said Friday, there appears to be little doubt that Bradford will be with the team next season — and be the starter.

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/football/...96a956ba6c.html

Paying kickers top dollar is not a great investment.

Until you need one.

I thought Dawson signed for like $2mill a year , which is fair price for a Kicker.

If we had phil dawson last year we would have had a 10 win season. I'd be more than happy to make him the highest paid kicker to finish his career here.

Dallas declines option on former Pro Bowl DT, Henry Melton.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/02/14/cowboys-decline-option-on-henry-melton/

When you have other players that need to be paid, paying a kicker $2 million is dumb.

49ers salary cap 2015, cut candidates: Phil Dawson

The Numbers

Dawson has a $4.134 million salary cap number, with a $3.134 million base salary, with $500,000 of that being guaranteed on April 1.

If the 49ers release Dawson before June 1, they would save $3.134 million, with a $1 million dead money hit in 2015. If they chose to wait to designate Dawson a June 1 cut, they would still save $3.134 million, but if they waited to cut him until June 1, they would only save $2.634 million, with a $1.5 million dead money hit in 2015.

You may be asking why there are two different dead money hits for a June 1 cut. This is due to them actually waiting until June 1 to release Dawson, because by then his April 1 $500,000 guarantee would have kicked in. If the 49ers release him prior to April, but designate him a June 1 cut, they would save the entire $3.134 million, due to the base salary guarantee not kicking in.

http://www.ninersnation.com/2015/2/13/80...ualty-candidate

No kicker in the league is worth $4 million.

We gotta get this guy!

I have never seen a fan base not be able to forget about a kicker before. This is sad. Not a QB, not a RB, hell not even a OLineman, but a freakin kicker! lol

Even though Dawson is up there in age, there is merit to this thought given the state of Brown's kickers.

Not if he wants the same pay rate he has been getting.

Not really, cause when you look at the kicker salaries all the veteran kickers are making over $1,500,000 a year the only ones making less are the young guys who were just drafted or guys who have bounced around the league. The league veteran minimum for players with 10 years or more experience is just under a 1 mill a year. As they say you get what you pay for.

I certainly wouldn't take him back for $4 million a year. Or $3 mil.

He was here. He was a Brown. He chose to chase the money closer to where he lived. (Texas IS a bit closer to Cal. than Ohio is). Looks like chasing that money elsewhere is now biting him. Sure, he has the money.

I don't want him back. He's another year older than last year, and how many years older than when he last played here?

LThe niners can keep him - if he was all that, they would........or they can cut him, which it looks like they might do.

Hey, he was great while he was here. He's not here now.....left for money and to "be nearer" his famoly. Maybe dallas should sign him.

I'd take him back at for a year or two at the League average, for a PK, or a little more. He'd be better than what we have, and he could then retire as a Brown. Its a good fit, unless you think Garrett Hartley is all that, which I don't.

ya

Find a young kicker, keep him until he needs to get paid, let him go. Wash, rinse, repeat.

hehe. My comment was in jest. Would I take him back for the right price? Certainly. He can't be any worse than what we had last year.

it makes less sense to get him now than it did to keep him two years ago though.

The browns have plenty of cap space.. If he's the best option, pay the man and bring him back..

Phil left Cleveland because he was not even offered a contract. It was either retire or play some place else.

Now this is the kind of player you would use the philosophy - No kicker is worth 4+mil but we do have the money why not for 2 years! Not Cameron with a TAG.

Agents can't really use 4mil as leverage.

jmho

With Dawson we would have been 9-7 or 10-6.

What other position can you be +2 or +3 wins. What other position can you do that for a $3MM delta in cap? Maybe RB if you get really lucky?

Easier said then done. Just checking the last 8 drafts you know how many Kickers are still with the team that drafted them........out of 16 drafted Kickers only 5 are still on the team they were drafted by. The other 11 have bounced around the league or are out of football.

Thats why we got to take on in the first round like Janokowski...look how long he lasted...lol Where's Lombardi when you need him.

Be a better team and the kicker is taken out of the equation. While we lost games because the we missed field goals, the game was not close because we had a bad kicker. The game was close because the rest of our team was average.

Kickers are the most replaceable players on the team and there are plenty readily available.

I got no problem forgetting that one... Sam Bradford is not someone the city of Cleveland needs. A lot of hope, potential and etc but with that nagging inability to stay healthy.

So you are saying don't spend 3 million to upgrade 1 position to win 2 or 3 more games, spend way more tHan that and upgrade a whole bunch of positions and win 2 or 3 more games?

Fisher is going to get fired because he refused to give up on Bradford.

I would have been willing to consider Bradford a legitimate option if he was willing to take a one year deal with almost no real money.

cfrs15 .... so a current starting QB shoudl come play for the Browns for free and kickers with a high rate of success are a dime a dozen so we should just keep using the same chump that lost us 3 games last season...

lol and you wonder why no one listens to you at times.

I mean, "C'MON MAN!"

I would do the Happy pee Pee dance if we got Bradford. We would be blessed to have him. I know what you all probably would say...we can't keep healthy QBs off the IR...how bout Bradford.

1. Priority one keep him healthy and we got the OL to do so.

2. Reason our QBs get killed is teams crowd the box stopping the run and say QB GO AHEAD BEAT US. When he does go back to pass they just bring a bunch that were there committed.

3. With Bradford it would open up the run game cause would not be able to bring 8,9 10 in the box.

We wouldn't know what to do as fans if we got blessed to have a QB like Bradford. Gosh forbid if we got a QB with a strong arm. Accurate like you wouldn't believe and smart with his reads.

The guy never had an adequate LT... just guys who failed elsewhere. His OL has always sucked.

Him HERE!?!

Yet for the last 2 seasons we had a guy who couldn't kick over 50 yrds. While I understand your caution about over valuing the importance of a kicker, respectfully I think you swing to far the other direction. What happens WHEN we end up in the Super Bowl next year and it comes down to a FG? It's the leagues 2 best teams squaring off. You're (likely) not talking about average play being the reason you lost. Having a good, reliable kicker can be that slim edge that puts you in the W column and its someone even the best teams rely on from time to time.

There's always talk about how a team NEEDS a #1 WR... I think having a u who can consistently hit 53yrds + is a necessity.

Our current PK played 2 games for us last year, IIRC.

Where did I say Bradford should do that? I don't think Bradford should do play for no money. He should get as much money as he can. I just wouldn't have him on my team for any real money because he can't stay healthy.

As far as kickers go, I would love to have a good one. I just don't want to pay any significant money to a position that is easy to find replacement and is volatile year-to-year.

We are talking about free agents for the Browns by saying you would not pay a viable started like bradford a starter's wage your not being realistic and showing no respect for the QB position IMHO. health issues or not he is a good QB and way better than anything we have had in probably 20 years. The fact you would not want a serious upgrade at the QB position shows you don't value QB's enough IMHO.

We have no starting calibur QB on this team. Period. I don't see one in the works either. It doesn't look good.

Kickers are neither easy to find or to replace. Your very misguided or informed about this. We lost 3 games last season because our kicker sucks and he was the best we could find. I'd have been more than willing to pay even 5 million to have those 3 losses to have been wins and probably gotten to the playoffs.

Great Kickers will put more points than almost any other player on the team except the QB. With our QBs they would probably score even more. Plus your offense an coaches will player more aggressive and better football if they know all they have to do is get to the 40 yard line and we have 3 points. You add up the points we threw away because we didn't event want to try to get into kicking range last season and we probably come away with an extra 2 wins. In reality its very possible we would have won an extra 5 games last season and own our division.

That's how important a great kicker is. I'd love it if we got a great one this year in the draft. he would score more points than anyone else we would draft that is for sure and would help our defense a TON.

I do not undervalue QBs. I do not value Bradford. He has been "OK" when he has played. He has not played in a regular season football game since October 20th, 2013. I agree with you about Bradford being more talented than any of our old QBs, and if you go back and look I was advocating for him as our QB last off-season, I just don't think he can stay healthy and I don't know what he looks like healthy.

If kickers are so valuable, why aren't they paid more? Why aren't they drafted higher (or at all)? Why do teams regularly let their kickers leave?

They aren't paid because while valuable they don't see the field that often, same reason for being drafted late. As for why they are regularly let go, that's because there aren't enough quality kickers in the league so all those teams are still searching for one. If you look at the top Kickers to ever play all were with 1 team for a long period of time. So when a team found a good one they hung on to them.

So players that aren't on the field as much as other players aren't as valuable?

Didn't say that, I said they aren't paid as much.

It's the superbowl, it's forth down, you are down by 2 points, you are barely within field goal range. A FG gets you the win and the Lombardi.

How much is your kicker worth?

Depends on if he makes it. Hopefully you spent enough to bag the trophy.

Nobody complains their kicker is just too entirely good and accurate. Your point is well made and well taken.

But if they aren't paid as much, wouldn't that imply they aren't as valuable?

Careful there! Sounds like Ray Farmer talking about another position... lol

We agree on something eo. I would love to have Bradford assuming our OL could keep him vertical.

I would love to have Bradford too. Basically for those reasons and a change of scenery for him. Maybe getting him outside of the dome/art. turf would help also?

Bradford tore his ACL on grass both times. He is fragile, a change of scenery won't help that.

It is a moot point anyway, Fisher is going down with the Bradford ship.

Who will the Rams hire as head coach their first season in L.A.? Grudges seems like a good fit for that scene.

Moot point, yes. I believe I stated that earlier when somebody asked. Fischer and their GM stated he aint going anywhere and is their starter.

As for Bradford...he gets hit a lot is he damaged goods? Worth the chance cause the fact is he is that good. cfrs saying otherwise just isn't enough to sway me. Yes, we get it he has been injured consistently. Still is an awesome talent. The fact the Fischer scoffs at letting him go is pretty evident at that.

Jmho and I guess Fischer's too.

Keith Rivers was released from Buffalo yesterday. It's on their official website. Buffalo is going back to a 3-4 and he wasn't a good fit.

another pettine guy we may see here?

My question is this, is Bradford still an awesome talent after his knee was shredded twice?

I don't see Rivers as a fit. We have three playable inside linebackers, two of them on very cheap contracts.

i guess he wasn't a pettine guy after all.
he was only with the bills last year.

It's questionable... it's questionable whether he could stay on the field long enough to convince people.

Someone said it best, Jeff Fisher is going to get canned because he just won't let go of the hope Bradford will stay healthy.

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(That was me.)

Link

So the Cardinals overpaid Larry Fitzgerald because warm fuzzies. They are still in cap hell and probably won't be able to re-sign many of their free agents.

Schefter

This doesn't really help us to a large extent because we already have a ton of cap room. It mostly helps the teams that are going to be above the cap or need a little breathing room.

Shredded. Is that a real analysis or a colorful adjective to make it sound worse. To me McGahee Schredded his knee in that Miami U game. Palmer shredded his knee in that Steeler playoff game.

I'm not a doctor nor am I his doctor. If the surgery went well he should well on his way into his recovery and rehab.

Like Hoyer this season I was cringing all season luckily he didn't get hit hard often.

I think we would see him run just about as often as Hoyer ran...almost none at all.

If your question is - IF HEALTHY from his surgery Is Bradford still and Awesome talent. Answer: I'm sure he will have to get some rust off and also take a hit sometime to be back to a comfort level. But yes, if healthy he still will be awesome.

jmho

He tore the same ACL twice. That is shredded.

That's the reason I put (?) after my statement about art. turf/grass. I didn't look to see where the injuries occurred.

Also with change of scenery, my point was having a better line to protect him. Of a few sites I looked we were ranked higher than STL. We gave up 30 sacks to 47 for STL. Sure many variables in that, injuries (like Mack), different QB's, offenses, how long the QB held onto the ball and etc. Either way, I would still think (imo) that we have better line than them.
One other thing, I know it doesn't take a sack to have an injury. Just like his was a pressure hit from Armonty Bryant and Hoyer's scrambling injury.

Got it. I like Sam Bradford. I think he is/was very talented. I don't think we should rely on someone has proven over and over that he can't stay healthy.

With all that said, I would take Sam Bradford over every available free agent QB.

Ok doc

SB is the most talented qb out there but he is too much of a risk. We have bad luck with guys who have an injury history. Even guys who didn't have an injury history developed one here and were never the same. If SB comes here I'm afraid it will be more of the same. JMO

Tried to get more details on his recovery all I got was Sept 10th I believe was the surgery and it was successful. SB will be ready for training camp.

Also yesterday there was a report made by our buddy LaConfora saying that the Rams asked SB's agent to test trades out there. This was immediately shot down by the GM stating SB not on their roster is not an option.

on the 9th is states anonymous NFL execs at the top of the Draft state they would take Bradford over Winston or Mariota...but talking in terms of him being a FA (released)

Last year of the contract and they are trying to lesson the blow for 2015 I guess the only way is to negotiate an extension.

link a dink
http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/nfl/5161/sam-bradford

The Panthers cut DeAngelo Williams and the Colts cut Ricky Jean-Francois. I am not interested in either player.

the funny part about that Eo is that just this week, the Rams HC was saying they are counting on Bradford.

Go figure

+1 Williams has been washed up for years...Jean Francois is no better than our backups

The Cardinals cut Ted Ginn Jr. People around here seem to like the idea of signing local guys, and Ginn is a local guy that also fills an obvious need (kick/punt returner).

I don't think he can be relied upon as a receiver.

Pass on both, especially Williams. Panthers got that Jonathan Stewart who performed extremely well when Williams was injured. Saving 2MIL by releasing Williams was an absolute no-brainer.

We certainly do need a KR/PR. And Ginn is a better WR than Benjamin.

I'm hoping WR Marques Colston gets cut from the Saints...they are in cap hell...then again I heard he's open to a restructure.

He's also a more sure returner than Benji ..also highly agreed he's a better wideout in addition...Benji is one player I hope is involved in a draft day trade...even if its just to move up several spots in a later round...He is the lone player I worry about every single time they have the ball in their hand...wait then again I feel this way with Crow and West too...damnnnn lol

Mike Wallace available in trade

My guess is that if they can't trade him he will be cut.

I think your guess is accurate and I think that is what will happen.

+ 2

Good guess. Any thoughts on bringing him here?

As a FA, I would NOT trade for him ... JMHO

I think Wallace is a head case and that is the last thing this team needs.

Just heard on the radio AJ Hawk was cut.

I just read the same. Officially he failed a physical, bone spurs in his ankle(s?) Question, does a 31 yr old, 85% AJ Hawk improve the Browns?

With Kansby and an improving coverage LB in Kirksey...I don't think so.

Unfortunately I think his best days are past him.

This morning on ESPN Radio they announced Wallace, Tamba Hali, among some others that were cap casualties today. Was in another thought process at the time - no news on that?

I hadn't heard eiether of those. I did hear that Wallace was on the trading block and likely to be released if no offers but was not aware that it actually happened.

Per rotoworld.com at 10:00 am 2/26

When asked about Mike Wallace, Dolphins VP of football operations Mike Tannenbaum said he's under contract "for now."

That's not much of an endorsement. The Dolphins are shopping Wallace, but should quickly find that his massive salary is a deal breaker for most teams. Miami Herald reporter Armando Salguero says his "educated guess" after talking to "team and league sources" is that Wallace will not be back with the Dolphins in 2015.He signed a five-year, $60M deal with the team just two years ago.

Source: Barry Jackson on Twitter Feb 26 - 10:04 AM

I will be incredibly surprised if anyone trades for him with that albatross of a contract. The worst is over with, but still, he is due almost $10 million this year, and over $11 million next year. A team has to be pretty sure that Williams will redo his deal in order to trade for him.

In saying this with seriousness. . .
We gotta get this guy!

(Cardinals released Darnell Dockett.)

+ 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But, 11 or so seasons in coming off I believe an ACL injury? Yeah, I'm pretty sure he tore his ACL in the preseason game (*edit*, Google has confirmed this) and missed the entire 2014 campaign..

How is he? Plus, honestly - I think the man is going to take a pay cut and go back to Arizona IMO.

He's only 33 years old! WGTGTG!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like a future Raider to me lol

Jason Worilds (spelling) from the Steelers is going to test the FA market. I wouldn't mind snatching him from Pittsburgh

I agree, if it is possible. The article I just read makes it sound like the Steelers are doing what the Browns did with Alex Mack last year, let him test the FA market to determine his value, then match the offer. I suspect he will be a (richer) Steeler come fall.

Mack was transitioned tagged, Worilds will not be this year. The Steelers cap situation is ugly.

OK then, I stand corrected. Lets take a look at him.

The radio here, a Pittsburgh station, says they want him back, but don't want to over pay him. If I'm Farmer, I move in for the steal.

I'd rather go after Hughes from Buffalo or draft someone. Worilds has put up sack totals of 8 and 7.5 the last 2 years as the main guy and for someone that is gonna want over $10 mill a year that's not enough production for me. That is more then what we are paying Kruger.

Link

I like Hughes. I think we should make a run.



Here is a good thing.....Armonty Bryant will be back. I think he has been somewhat forgotten. That guy has a habit of getting in to backfields and wrecking things.

You mean he could wreck this league?

Andre Johnson allowed to seek trade

Johnson is a little older, but I would take him in a second. I don't see anyway he would want to play for us.

Weren't you stating any player can be had for the right price?

I agree. Johnson will want a shot at the Super Bowl. Three teams come to mind Denver, Seattle, and New England.

Can I amend that to most players?

Guys like Johnson are the exception, not the rule. He has made his money, but hasn't won.

NO!!!!!! LOL!

Johnson deserves a shot he put in his dues. If he was traded to Cleveland, you hand him a yellow jacket at the front door...beyond the call of duty!

Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet

The #Rams have released OT Jake Long, source said. They’ll continue to discuss options with him as he rehabs.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/575062939213938692

Who is going to protect, or at least maybe delay, Braford's next ACL tear?

Can Jake Long stay healthy long enough to protect?

How about Long tears his ACL while missing a block on the guy who then tears Bradford's ACL?

hahaha.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...-170500072.html



Potential landing spots for former Texans WR Andre Johnson

With Josh Gordon suspended again, new quarterback acquisition Josh McCown needs someone to throw the ball to besides 5-foot-7 Andrew Hawkins. If Johnson signed with Cleveland, he’d immediately become the best receiver on the roster. It’d be a major coup for general manager Ray Farmer, but would Johnson be interested?

If we threw the bank at Johnson he might sign, but it would take lots of these...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I don't know about Andre. Obviously he's going to expect $. I think I'd rather see them move up a few spots to get one of the top three WR in the draft. Big money for not-so-fresh legs doesn't seem promising.

Besides I read four teams he is eyeing up, and they're all contenders.

Why in the world would Johnson want to go to that Green Bay logjam?

*edit -- nm, that's just to put pressure on Seattle to ponu up some dough.*

All winning franchises.

And this isn't directed towards you LB, but maybe some of you can stop the nonsense of saying that because Hartline signed here it proves that guys want to come here.

Colts cut Trent Richardson and Michael Hill

https://twitter.com/RavensInsider/status/576127581658984449

Not trying to sound like an a-hole, but is there going to be a team even interested in Trent?

We should sign him and see if the Colts will bite on trading for him again.

The Cleveland Gladiators?

Y'all remember how the TRich arguments went down on here?

LMAO.....same people doing the same thing..........over and over and over again.

Pretty safe to say Farmer wants compensatory picks. We've only signed guys that were released. We're now going after 2 WRs that were released.

Trent Richardson: “My next step, I’ll be the starter”

Hours after he was released by the Colts, Trent Richardson insisted that he has plenty of good football left in him.

Richardson told Mike Wells of ESPN that Colts General Manager Ryan Grigson is to blame for Richardson’s inability to make things work in Indianapolis.

“Me and the GM didn’t see eye to eye. My next step, I’ll be the starter. Indy didn’t fit me,” Richardson said.

Richardson acknowledged that he was fined repeatedly for being overweight, although he says he was only three pounds heavier than the 227 pounds the Colts asked him to weigh.

“I was continually fined for being 230 pounds,” Richardson said.

That raises the question of why Richardson didn’t just lose the extra three pounds to keep his bosses happy and keep his money. And Richardson’s attitude raises questions about whether he understands just how bad he was in Indianapolis. The reality is that there’s no way any team is going to bring Richardson in to be the starter, and if he signs for backup money somewhere else, he’s going to have to prove himself in minicamps, training camp and the preseason or else he’s not going to make a team at all.

Unless Richardson is planning to play Arena Football, his chances of being a starter are slim. And he may not play another down in the NFL.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/12/trent-richardson-my-next-step-ill-be-the-starter/

There's always an "excuse".......I was supposed to weigh X, and I weighed X plus 3 lbs.

I couldn't make the flight because of X.

I couldn't run in Cleveland because of X.

I couldn't run in Indy because of X.

Lesson to be learned:

Never draft prospects who were very big stars in College before they get to the NFL because their head is even bigger than the league already.

Good thing we drafted Manziel, lol

There would be if Holmy the Clown came out of retirement. He was the best ever RB in Holmy's eyes.

Funny how people change their mind now about the guy. When the trade went down most people were ready to jump off a bridge crying and sobbing like little girls.

He should have a lot of it left in him, he didn't use much of it yet.



Sounds like Gordon. You were told what to weigh, you were continually over that amount, and you complain about be held accountable for it.

at this point, whose career has been worse ... Trent or Weeden?

ugh

Without a doubt it's Trent. And if anyone follows me here, they'd know I'm not high on Weeden at all.

Smart strategy...Kind of.

We have 10 draft picks this year.

And could end up with 10 or 11 draft picks in 2016 as well.

If you're really building through the draft, that's the way to go...

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J/C

cant believe people are already talking the 2016 draft.

That's how we roll here in Browns Town! Lol

Let's pick up Trent and make him an H-back. He will come cheap.

Definitely Trent, Weeden still has a job and is one hit away from Romo's back breaking in two. Not a bad gig to be paid millions to be a backup and if you are needed you have the best OL in football and one of the best WR in football. Idk if Trent will ever play football again.

It'll never happen, and we don't really need the PR right now, but I wouldn't mind grabbing Richardson to have him as camp fodder. The guy has had multiple teams begging him to take the starting RB role, and he got complacent.

His knock is that he has no vision. Didn't the RB before him have the same issue, and then magically became a 1-cut RB when he got demoted when Richardson came to town? Is it unreasonable to expect the same thing from a much more (physically) talented and far less injury-prone back?

Honest questions...

Yes, West gave up the dancing and started to run as he should in the zone scheme. The thing is, he corrected his flaws in what, 1/4 or halfway through the season. How many years has Trent demonstrated he's not able to correct his flaws?

Man fodder or whatever, there is absolutely no reason to even consider bringing Trent back. I've seen enough of him. Let's see what Winston or Drauhn can do.

Given Trent has been out produced by rookies, it's almost beyond safe to assume one of those kids could give us better performance than Trent.

TRich, Weeden, Gilbert, and Manziel.

Could it get any worse?

Yet, the Regime Wars groups complain more about Mingo. LMAO

I wonder if Denver will sign TRich, seeing as how Heckert is part of their organization.

Ravens ax Bernard Pierce

Looks like with what went down with Rice, Baltimore is going to ax anyone who commits any off field infractions!

Especially if they aren't very good.

Pierce was always that guy that seemed to get a first down for them when they really needed it..

I will not miss playing against him. Or Ngata...

IN the Police report Pierce is sort of Begging the Cops to let it be...something like - "Man, you know what happened to the last RAVEN with a DUI - I'm as good as Cut." Sho-nuff! He new it...Of course why didn't he tell that to himself when he put the keys in that car! HE KNEW IT n STILL DID IT. smh

So True EO.. what was he thinking?

He was thinking the same thing most DUI offenders think.. "I'll be ok.. I know a way around the high patrol areas. I made it last time.. I'm pretty sure I can do it again ..."

Damn fool

I wonder how many of these guys have actually been let go by sympathetic, football-fan cops.