John Clayton said today that if Mariota fell to Washington they would take him.

Next year is an option year and Griffin would stand to make $18 mil. No way they will pay him that. So it makes sense that this is his last year. Gruden does not like him in his offense.

If they were to draft Mariota with McCoy signed and Cousins there also; Griffin could be had for most like a third or fourth rounder this year.

At this point I am not sure what Griffin is?

Shanahan got a great year out of him. He then got hurt and since has not been effective. His record in 2013 and 2014, 5-20.

He has struggled in the west coast offense Gruden runs.

What can Griffin do as a quarterback now?

I am not sure about him at all? You would think he could play. At the same time last year everything he did went down the tubes. His footwork, mechanics, reads etc. He looked lost.

Would he worth a gamble for a fourth rounder?

Yes. If he tanked; no big deal.

Most likely he will never be a drop back passer. But he might succeed in an offense tailored to his skills.

Not sure if he would work out in Cleveland, but the cost may be worth the try.

Nope.

Injury waiting to happen and the guy can't read an NFL defense.

RG3 for a 4th rounder, sure, why not.

But Bradford for either of our 1st rounders? I can't get behind that.

As desperate as we are, no thanks. I would be crazy enough to give a first round pick for Bradford though.

Will never learn to slide...

If people were concerned about Bradford and his injury history, RGIII is even yet a bigger nightmare. Plus, to think of RGIII as being even HALF a pocket passing able QB is like asking the impossible.

I think he can be a good QB but he needs out of DC and he needs to sit and recover physically and mentally. I wouldnt mind spending a 2nd on him. I said before the draft that i wouldnt have taken him top 15 because he will never last with the way he plays the game and thats still true but i think u can teach him to play the game but he needs to relearn the game.

No way. I was glad we didn't get RG3 in the 2012 draft and I don't want him now either.

I Agree 100% ...

this board is crazy. seems some love wanting broken QB's to start for us, RG3 and Bradford. Hell, if Locker didn't retire, I bet there be a thread on that.

Agreed. Not that curious about Griffin and his future. We have enough unknowns, projects, and such.

We need to get some more questions erased and cover up some of what we lost and more depth to boot.

RGTrey doesn't help any of that IMO.

Hmm...

Spotrac shows he is an UFA in 2016 and that his base salary in 2015 is $3,269,877 with a prorated bonus value of $3,449,836. I'm not sure where the $18m came from. Washington would take the full cap hit of $6,719,713 if they traded or cut him. Rotoworld shows similar numbers.

Would I trade a 4th for RG3? Hmm, at 3.3m I'd definitely consider it, but I'd make sure the trade was a 4th only if he'd negotiate a longer term deal, if he didn't then it'd be a 6th rounder..

For a fourth round pick? Most definitely, yes. RGIII, with all his flaws, is a much better QB prospect than any of the players available to us in this draft. At his worst he is also better than any of the QBs on our roster.

Health wise...I like him better than Bradford...Again only if we can redo and extend his contract. He is intelligent and he can throw from the pocket.

I think Manziel still has a shot but it doesn't hurt to stockpile some prospects...the further he is from his knee injury the stronger it should be getting. 18 mil is a lot hopefully part of that was the signing bonus hit.

Until you got one established (Franchise QB) I think you got to do whatever you can to get one. Without doing something silly of course. I think btw it would take more than a 4th.
jmho

Let's see.........

Injury prone? Check!

Two coaching staffs and he can't seem to get along with either? Check!

Sounds like an accident just waiting for another place to happen.

If I was him...I would hate the Redskins...what those Shanahan's did to him...frankly that was disgusting.

Yep, it's all the Shanahans. Then why is it those people that replaced the Shanahans couldn't seem to get along with him and don't want him there either?

Yep, those damned shanahans.

+1

RG III for a fourth rounder? Sure, sign me up. That's minimal risk investment.

Are the Redskins going to move him? Very unlikely. I believe his contract contained no off-set language so the Skins would owe him any remaining guaranteed money if he was traded, which will still presumably be this year's prorated portion of his signing bonus.

Even if they draft Mariota, which I don't believe at all, they could keep RGIII around for his small base of $3.3M if I understand his contract correctly.

He's not going anywhere.

He'd have to have a horrible year for them to only take a fourth for him with everything they gave up to get him.... I personally don't want anything to do with him or Bradford because neither one of them have proved they can stay on the field... I think Bradford has more potential to be a starting NFL qb... But both look like disappointments at this point

One thing I want to add on the Bradford stuff. We reported offered a 2nd for Bradford last year. Now he blows out his ACL again in the same knee and we offer our #19? This to me sounds more like Chip Kelly trying to convince the world he wasnt the biggest idiot walking when he was trading a QB that put up what 32 tds and 2 ints the year before ? This was also the guy that jilted the owner? I dont know how much we would be willing to deal with him anyway.

I aint saying it didnt happen, but if it looks like an Oregon duck lol

I'm still trying to figure out how Bradford is worth more than Foles. I don't like either of them, but that makes no sense.

Me too.

Why Bradford and not Griffin? Neither can stay healthy, but Bradford's best year doesn't even come close to Griffin's spectacular rookie year. Not only that but Griffin is younger than Bradford.

I wouldn't want either if the price was significant, but I'd take Griffin over Bradford if everything was equal.

That would depend on what scheme you're running. I'd imagine Bradford would be the better choice for us...

I'd much rather ride the year out with McCown than see these two injuries waiting to happen. Griffin also only looks like he's worth a damn if he's able to play his game of throwing on the run.

It depends on what the cost is.

RG3 has been ruined to a great degree. Do I think that he can be turned back around? Yeah, I do. I also think that him being in a run heavy, well protected offense would be great for rebuilding him.

However, at this point, he is damaged goods, and has to be treated as such.

I'd pick Bradford over RG3 because I don't know if RG3 will ever have another year like his rookie year....

Why even think about things like this though? We have Josh McCown!

What makes you think Bradford will be more successful going forward?

(The obvious answer is Chip Kelly > Jay Gruden, but other than that.)

Let's set up a hypothetical situation:

Situation A: RGIII is on our current team, with our current roster, and will stay healthy.

Situation B: Sam Bradford is on our current team, with our current, and will stay healthy.

Which situation would you rather have? Why?

I am taking situation A. RGIII offers far more upside because of his athleticism and throwing skills.

In reality, neither is likely to stay healthy based on their history. But if I have to choose one, I am choosing the younger guy with the higher upside.

I think I pretty much answered that already, as I don't know if RG3 will be able to even come close to what he did his rookie year.

I hope he can though, no matter who he plays for. It was fun watching him then (-until his knee kinda fell apart).

Right, but why will Bradford be able to replicate his performance, but not Griffin?

No idea buddy.

With our luck Bradford would probably break his ankle in the very first game on his first possession, and then be out for the entire year. You know? Cursed!

"And in for the injured Bradford comes Josh McCown."

I would take Bradford or RGIII at this point, but we won't do anything to create competition for JF. The decks have been cleared for him to be the starter. The roster has been set with backups that are worse then him if that is at all possible.

Having said that I think some posters are out of their minds if they think this team or any team can win NFL games without a QB, having said that I would stock pile them and see if anyone of them can actually play knowing full well we are screwed without a QB why wouldn't you take a shot at any and all possibilities?

I applauded Pigface when they took Weedon (those that know me know I hated Pigface) because I knew then we couldn't win without a QB so while I hate burning draft picks not having a QB is an even worse choice so you take a chance, Finding a QB is a crap shoot at best unless your talking AL or PM or JE its near impossible to pick the right one. Of course we have posters on this very board who think they know QB talent (yeah right).

But you do it because it may bring you huge rewards and your sunk without a QB, if thats where your operating from and you have NO clear obvious choices your left to take chances and that is where we are at. I don't like our choices either but you have to suck it up and go for it until you get a QB.

Some of you think we shouldn't trade for a QB that isn't proven but if your being realistic if the QB in question is proven you never get a shoot at them becuase the teams their on are married to them. Its all a gamble but a gamble I take because we simply have too.

So I am guessing you either don't know about the report of us attempting to trade for Bradford or don't believe it.

That is classic... just classic, love it

I have to agree with you on both getting Bradford or RGIII or even both!!! And the fact that they have to bring out the 1st RD. QB and see what he can do. They better get him ready or theirs going to be heads rolling.


I hope JH gives everyone the time needed to work the JM experiment cause I think they need to find out if he is or is not the answer!!!

I like your thinking on the QB situation we are in now so I say gamble away also, of course within some reason.

Truth be told I don't know what to believe. I think they did and should have taken a shot to get Bradford, because Bradford has the ability to be great and even as committed as these folks are to clearing out any real competition for JF they realize that a healthy Bradford is a franchise quality QB and they rightly set aside their hopes for JF and went after Bradford, because he is a much better option and these folks know it.

In the end JF will be the starter and will be all crying about the one that got away and the one we are stuck with, like always.

This season is about seeing what we have in JF and its going to be ugly if my guess is right. The part that burns my ass is we ended all hope if he fails which I fully expect he will do. Sad

Yep it was the Shanahans...you don't get it - he was having one of the best rookie seasons ever by a QB then tell me what happened? Did they shut him down... nah they knew they had to win or get fired so they kept him in playing that was the most disgusting thing I ever saw his knee practically dangling and all he did was move and went down finally for the season... that is what I'm talking about. They lost all his trust from there on. And he played too soon after that. Worst then some PEE WEE Coach. Don't give me no Browns board crap this isn't agenda - It truly was one of the most selfish acts I've seen in Modern NFL football.
jmho

Fair question.

And ... (not to you cfrs15) in order to be worth a first round pick, wouldn't Bradford need to more than replicate his performance?

To me, if Bradford was worth our #19 pick, then RG3 would be worth a fourth rounder. And that was the original question, was it not?

We aren't going to get eithe Bradford or Griffin.

We will go with what we have. I know some of you have written off Manziel, but I can promise you the team hasn't. He may not become a good player. Only time will tell, but that time isn't now.

JMO

I'm certain they haven't. The last chapter hasn't been written yet, but we are approaching the end of the book...

I don't disagree. We may disagree on exactly how close we are. If the guy flops again this year, the book probably closes. If he starts to show the things we hope, maybe what we have been reading to this point is the preface.

YEah that and I'd need to see it be a 4th next year so that you could make it conditional on playing time. That way if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world.

The fascination with QB's that aren't QB's just because they are athletic constantly astounds me.

We dodged a bullet by not being able to trade up for this guy... why on Earth would we voluntarily step back in front of that bullet?

If you're going to be gunned down anyway, wouldn't you rather that be by a Griffin or Bradford bullet instead of a McCown bullet?

LOL Gunned down is gun downed. Dead is dead. Doesn't matter who pulled the trigger.

With McCown I doubt there is much chance of him being any thing of value.

With Bradford, there is a strong chance he'll be very good, there is however a stonger chance that he'll get injured and not play.

With RG3, he's athletic and can throw, but he's fragile and makes mistakes.

A gun is a gun, if it's fired at you and hits in the right spot, your dead. Doesn't matter

As a bud from work would say, if you can't teach RGIII to slide, how you going to teach him to become a pocket Passer?

Of the two, Bradford would likely be the better choice for our scheme if I had to pick one. I'd pass on both though, unless it was for a pick that was so late round or something, but that's just simply not ever be a feasible option for either of those two.

Here lies Damon(shot) with a McCown bullet, it was old and rusty, the gun didn't go bang, only a faint ping could be heard when fired…

Not how I want my epitaph to read.

Here lies Tulsa with a McCown/RG3/Bradford bullet, it was old and rusty, the gun didn't go bang, only a faint ping could be heard when fired…

Not how I want my epitaph to read.

See, it works no matter what name you put in there

Or it could read

Here lies Tulsa, a RG3/Bradford bullet fired from a hospital bed... etc...

Take a look:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/11/16/washington-has-big-decision-to-make-on-griffin/

Tab has this right I like Mike Shanahan, but he screwed up RGIII ...USA Today reported that – "contrary to previous statements made by Head Coach Mike Shanahan – Dr. James Andrews had not cleared Griffin to return for the post-injury plays in the December 9 game. Griffin then re-injured his knee later in the wild card loss to the Seahawks. Griffin underwent surgery on January 9 and both his LCL and ACL were repaired." Trust lost...damage done.

Mangini did the same thing with Brett Favre to try and keep his job with the Jet's. I do believe Mangini was fined for that later. Not sure though.

I would be fine going with a low-risk gamble on RG3 (a fourth rounder would be the absolute highest I would go). I'd rather make it a conditional pick where if he takes the majority of the snaps, the pick goes higher, but otherwise stays in the 5-6 range.

The only reason I'd trade any asset for this guy is that the QB options out there are pretty bleak. Anybody we get will have their warts. RG3 has just a good a chance of turning out great for us than anyone else we bring in (as well as the ones we have).

Also, if I had to choose between the two, I'd take RG3 over Manziel. At least RG3 has shown SOMETHING in his NFL career. Give the guy time in a low-pressure situation to get his head on straight and figure out his technique. If that happens, you trot him out there in our run-heavy, QB-friendly scheme and we win the Superbowl. Seems simple, right? :-)

I agree Shanahan (one or both) didn't handle RG3 correctly, but you cannot ignore that a new staff is having similar issues here regarding maturity. Forget the injury part, this guy is becoming a locker room issue. Not too mention he is 'Colt McCoy-ing' it with Dad always looming around. It just looks like a disaster from the outside looking in.

If Bradford is worth the 19th pick, then Griffin is worth way more than that. He is more talented and has had more success on the field. If Griffin was available for a fourth round pick every team should try and trade for him because of his potential upside. But once every team tried some team would offer more than a fourth to get him, and then another, and then another, and so on and so forth.

Because our QB is Josh McCown.

Ummmm... no.

I'd rather bring back Robert Griffith to QB for us.... at least HE has enough football talent to recognize a defense.

Since your obvious hatred of Kyle is so evident, there is no need for continued debate. If you see an obvious HC decision as something you can pawn off on an OC, it's obvious where the agenda is.

Just calling a Spade a Spade...Club a club...Hate for him...I dislike him as a coach because of the things he has done. Ask LaConfora...lol. Some probably think I am naive but if you think Kyle wasn't part of that decision pfft good thing you aren't debating cause you wouldn't stand a chance. Kyle had a lot of power and say on that team. Ya think he didn't have any decision factor in the QB position...come on Pit, you're a smart guy, reconsider that.

I don't mistake a LACK of RESPECT for Kyle Shanahan for hate. I don't know him to hate him. But I have reason to not respect him. It has nothing to do with his X's n O's of football. Their job was in jeopardy - they chose to play a player and maybe ruin his career. Here it was obvious he wanted out as better things for Kyle were coming along after all he had been talking about coaching with the Seattle DC for quite some time... Words came from Dan Quin in his presser at the combine....ooops you mean the contracted OC of the Browns?

Then what a coincidence - Mr. Righteous complained about Text during a game. He lied to Pettine...so he could get his release from the contract. Without a doubt he's a POS in my book and I have no respect for him. But yeah it must be some internal hatred for him that has me so bias. One of the best moves was him leaving.
jmho

The final decision is that of the HC in who plays and who doesn't, not the OC. And your reference of him having so much power? You're basing that strictly on something written by someone you would call a BOZO unless and until they write something you wish to believe. Then suddenly a BOZO turns into a prophet. Funny how that works isn't it?

WHOA there. They are both very talented guys. In different ways but both very talented. And they are both prone to injuries.

Making neither of them worth much at all in the way of draft picks.

Someone threw out giving a 4th for RG3, I'd say fair enough. But Bradford really doesn't command more. Neither can stay on the field.

As Tab said, it has to do with trust issues with the team in general. That goes all the way up to the FO and owners, not just the coaching staff.

IMO he'll be much better as he regains his confidence and trust with a team.

J/c
I have a ham Sandwich... I'd trade RG3 for that. and a 7th rounder

When did we resign Peyton Hillis?

RGIII........He was like a one hit wonder. R.I.P.

The final decision is that of the HC in who plays and who doesn't, not the OC.

Theoretically yes, but what will he base that decision on...99% his OC in this case his SON.

As for BOZOS actually it was quotes from players that gave me the impression that Kyle had a lot of SAY on that team. But then you have to discredit me somehow cause you aren't going to get an edge on this debate with the facts.

Did RGIII throw 20 TDs against 5 picks BECAUSE he was able to run, which he now cannot or should not do? Was his threat to take off something that canceled out an inability to read defenses? If so, the only way to get back some of that is to teach him how to play quarterback as a pocket passer, and I just don't think I am on board with that.

But if it is a confidence thing, and a scheme thing, sure! Curious as to what some of the savvier posters have to say.

Actually no Tab, you are wrong. When a player is injured, the decision as to whether he's ready to return weighs on the doctors, not the OC. When a player is hurt, the doctors are the ones who talk with the HC and the HC makes the decision.

You keep trying to blame the OC for decisions that rest between the medical staff and the HC. That crap don't hold water for anyone who knows how the process works.

Even you know better. That's why it can only be your personal feelings about Kyle that are influencing what you are posting.

Actually no Tab, you are wrong. When a player is injured, the decision as to whether he's ready to return weighs on the doctors, not the OC. When a player is hurt, the doctors are the ones who talk with the HC and the HC makes the decision.

I agree with you 100% on the Doctor makes that decision.

I guess you never read those recent reports that Dr. Andrews never gave the OK. Mike Shanahan might be in trouble with that one.

I know I read this...bs from Bozos??? I don't know it was stated as fact.

I guess what I'm saying is quite simplistic. There isn't an OC in the NFL that decides a player with an injury should start. They don't have that responsibility.

Now when it comes to Mike Shanahan, I agree with you. And while I do believe that Kyle is a good OC, there are issues with him that I'm not comfortable with as well.

It's just that with this particular issue, Kyle didn't hold the power to make the call on starting RG3.

Well then we got to just part ways at a disagreement. No way Kyle had NO SAY...but you wish to think otherwise - nothing I can do. I guess vice versa.

lol

I believe there's a huge difference in who makes the decision and who has input. I believe a lot of people gave their input to the HC. Most likely from the Snyder and including the OC.

However, giving your input and making the decision is two completely different things. That decision sets firmly on the shoulders of the HC.

Just as I wouldn't blame Flip for whoever Pettine decides to play, I won't blame Kyle for who Mike decided to play.

If you're changing your opinion as to Kyle having some input in the process, then we probably agree there. However, we both know the final decision and responsibility for who plays rests on the shoulders of the HC.