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Posted By: bonefish Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 02:00 PM

DPJ is 6'2" 210lbs. He ran a 4.4 forty.

He was a late round pick who stepped in and made the most of his playing time.

This year. “Donovan looks incredible right now. He looks like he is in really, really good shape running around,” Mayfield said. “Obviously, he is a smart guy who we were able to plug and play.

Imagine if he becomes the number two receiver.

He has all the measureables. He can catch the ball. He runs fast and can jump.

Apparently he has worked really hard on his body and skills. He is also very bright.

Of all the receivers on the Browns. He really is a prototype. A guy who can be physical and has the speed.

I like Higgins. He has proven his worth by working hard and delivering when on the field.

He is 6'1" 198 lbs. He ran a 4.64 forty.

Good receiver who knows how to get open and catch the ball.


He is no match for DPJ in potential if DPJ takes that next step. The step that makes him a starter with a clear chance to make an impact on the offense.

At the end of camp DPJ could be a big story.
Posted By: Hammer Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 02:28 PM
Really like DPJ. Do not understand why some posters think we need a big-bodied WR. He is that and more.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 02:34 PM
Year two is a big year for most players. That is the year you more or less find out if what you saw is what you get or if there is a bump in play.

If the player has/is being given adequate chance to play and they make a jump, then you might even expect to see more as their career moves forward. If not, they have probably reached their potential.

Jones showed enough last year that if he does play better, we might have a pretty good player on our hands. Well, we already know he is a pretty decent player as is, now we find out if he is the type of receiver who might make a pro bowl or two before he hangs it up, or at least have his named mentioned in those circles.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 02:34 PM

DPJ has the highest receiver ceiling on the team.

If everything is factored in.

I am really interested in seeing how he does in camp.
Posted By: RedBaron Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 05:18 PM
I could see him out wide with OBJ in the slot to try to pressure the safety on that side of the field to come down to double OBJ. That would be an almost guaranteed one-on-one deep for DPJ (either that or a chance for OBJ to get some easy slot yards).
Posted By: Razorthorns Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 05:39 PM
I love DPJ and I hope him and Higgins will be with the Brown a long time.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 05:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
I love DPJ and I hope him and Higgins will be with the Brown a long time.


I could see that considering the odds seem slim that both of Landry and OBJ will be around next year. I could see one of them traded by the deadline if DPJ looks good and Schwartz begins to show.
Posted By: Razorthorns Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 06:36 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Razorthorns
I love DPJ and I hope him and Higgins will be with the Brown a long time.


I could see that considering the odds seem slim that both of Landry and OBJ will be around next year. I could see one of them traded by the deadline if DPJ looks good and Schwartz begins to show.



It's certainly possible. More like next year though I think.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 07:10 PM
After this season either Odell or Landry will most likely be gone. Depending on what they see in Schwartz and DPJ. Maybe both Landry and Odell will be gone.

DPJ could also end Higgins with the Browns.

I most interested in this season alone. I want to see them as a unit. Options to use first and back-up for injury second.

Then next year figure it all out.
Posted By: PastorMarc Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 07:19 PM
Our WR corp. is set for a great year, I see DPJ and Swartz as a great future tandem when OBJ and Landry are gone, although I see Landry being here for a while.
Posted By: SuperBrown Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 07:36 PM
Posted By: Rottweiller Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 07:51 PM
I Really Like DPJ, I think it is a shame that Michigan has had premiere Wide Receiver recruits and Harbaughs 1970's offense has sent them to be drafted no better than the 4th round. DPJ was good for us as a rookie considering Covid/ practice related issues. I think he has high end #2 receiver ability. Glad we drafted him.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 09:02 PM

Monster play in the season.

I have high hopes for DPJ.

I think if he can master his short moves both in get off and separation. He will be big time.

He has worked with Jarvis a lot. Both Odell and and Jarvis can really help him. Both are incredible in short space.
Posted By: The Collector Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/19/21 09:49 PM
one of the most stacked wr corp in the nfl... and he is one of the reasons why
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/20/21 11:27 PM
He’s already given us more value than a 7th round pick should, so anything after last year is a bonus.

I think he’s got a long term future in the NFL ... his athleticism and size are good and he was pretty consistent. We’ll find out this year if he’s able to improve
Posted By: lampdogg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 12:14 AM
Receivers usually take a big jump in their second year, moreso than many positions. He flashed as a rookie at times - his game-winning catch in Cinci being the most memorable - but he will have to show growth or he might slowly get buried on the depth chart.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 03:20 AM
Quote:
- but he will have to show growth or he might slowly get buried on the depth chart.


I'm still not used to this concept. DP-J fighting his way into the lineup is a great problem to have. I'm still shaking my head at all the depth we have gained all of a sudden. After seeing so many years of mind-numbing ineptitude, I still feel like I need to pinch myself when we have these talks.
Posted By: Brown to the Bone Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 07:37 AM
DPJ, was drafted to be a returner, that is pretty much what you see come out of the late rounds specialists who preform at a high level on special teams.

Coming out he had size and speed but was in possession of poor hands, that was his scouting report card. I saw bad hands on one play that stands out that being the drop in the Titan game on what should have been a TD.

But this brings you to the real strength of the staff that Ski has assembled. Player development was a huge part of the success DPJ had last season. Early on they saw his strengths and then they used him to that strength I believe that allowed him to show his skills and to lay to rest some of his demons. Great coaching no other way to say it.

It's truly something we saw last year across the offense for sure. Look at what we did with no-name backups along the O-line, we were phenomenal at getting guys nobody even knew who they were into games and getting stud play from them. Teller was one of those guys. Who wasn't worried about our RG spot heading into last season?

The strength of this team, is in drafting or acquiring players then developing them into a roll where the player develops and the team prospers as a result.

I can see DPJ continuing to developing into a better then average #2 or maybe into a legit #1 given his speed. he needs to develop his route running skills but he truly has a high ceiling and he has the kind of coaching that if he takes to it will allow him to reach for and obtain the stars. From a 6th round pick your kidding right?
Posted By: Dawgs4Life Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 09:13 AM
Well said. We’ve done a nice job of drafting/finding guys over the past 2-3 years. And it’s like a snowball ... success breeds success.

in terms of DPJ, I agree. He was kinda just a return type guy, but in reality that was kind of an afterthought with him last year
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 11:09 AM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
DPJ

Coming out he had size and speed but was in possession of poor hands, that was his scouting report card. I saw bad hands on one play that stands out that being the drop in the Titan game on what should have been a TD.


Overall I agree with you. Just a slightly different perspective on this point about hands. DPJ was a phenomenal talent coming out of high school. He was a 5-star WR. He chose to go to Michigan where he suffered through extremely poor quarterbacking and an unimaginative offense. This stunted his production. AB and our scouting department trusted their evaluation of the player in spite of the lackluster production in college. This is an example of their (Browns), ability to recognize talent that is overlooked by competitors because of some superficial flaw.

This bodes well for other players taken late or acquired outside of the draft.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 11:50 AM
I agree. He may not have been in a good situation.

I think the report said inconsistent hands. I am not sure that means poor hands. Poor hands are poor hands and the guy wouldn't even be a receiver. Michigan would have made him some sort of back or defensive back if his hands were poor.

Inconsistent can mean he had a lot of balls that weren't in a good position to make a catch or he lacks focus. You can work on focus. Poor hands you can't. If a kid can't catch by the time he is 16, he just can't catch. You learn that when you are a kid tossing the ball around.

Focus you can work on....and hopefully he is in a position where most of the balls thrown his way aren't borderline catchable. You know, the kind that after it is incomplete people say, "It wasn't a perfect throw, but he could have caught that". Great catches shouldn't have to be every catch.
Posted By: TrooperDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 12:49 PM
Originally Posted By: Brown to the Bone
DPJ, was drafted to be a returner, that is pretty much what you see come out of the late rounds specialists who preform at a high level on special teams.

Coming out he had size and speed but was in possession of poor hands, that was his scouting report card. I saw bad hands on one play that stands out that being the drop in the Titan game on what should have been a TD.

But this brings you to the real strength of the staff that Ski has assembled. Player development was a huge part of the success DPJ had last season. Early on they saw his strengths and then they used him to that strength I believe that allowed him to show his skills and to lay to rest some of his demons. Great coaching no other way to say it.

It's truly something we saw last year across the offense for sure. Look at what we did with no-name backups along the O-line, we were phenomenal at getting guys nobody even knew who they were into games and getting stud play from them. Teller was one of those guys. Who wasn't worried about our RG spot heading into last season?

The strength of this team, is in drafting or acquiring players then developing them into a roll where the player develops and the team prospers as a result.

I can see DPJ continuing to developing into a better then average #2 or maybe into a legit #1 given his speed. he needs to develop his route running skills but he truly has a high ceiling and he has the kind of coaching that if he takes to it will allow him to reach for and obtain the stars. From a 6th round pick your kidding right?


Sounds like Chad O'Shea is doing a great job with the wide receivers.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 12:55 PM
DPJ is a bit of a long-strider. Will that affect his route-running in the long term?
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/21/21 02:03 PM

I don't think that will be an issue.

There have been many long striders that were incredible receivers. Moss, Josh Gordon and many others.

It really is a refinement of skills. Small details that come from coaches and mentors.

DPJ has worked a lot with Jarvis and Odell. He is smart guy who takes instruction well.

I think he will have more opportunities. Baker has trust in him. IMO he will play a larger role and thrive.
Posted By: CalDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 11:26 AM
If it's my choice, I put DPJ & Odell on the outside, drop Juice into the slot, and let the defense try and guess who's getting the first down/TD.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: CalDawg
If it's my choice, I put DPJ & Odell on the outside, drop Juice into the slot, and let the defense try and guess who's getting the first down/TD.


Chubb smile
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 12:35 PM
Originally Posted By: CalDawg
If it's my choice, I put DPJ & Odell on the outside, drop Juice into the slot, and let the defense try and guess who's getting the first down/TD.


Kendall Lamm
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 02:36 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Originally Posted By: CalDawg
If it's my choice, I put DPJ & Odell on the outside, drop Juice into the slot, and let the defense try and guess who's getting the first down/TD.


Kendall Lamm

No, he's getting the TD.
No receiver has a higher percentage of TD's to Targets than Lamm.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 02:58 PM
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
Originally Posted By: CalDawg
If it's my choice, I put DPJ & Odell on the outside, drop Juice into the slot, and let the defense try and guess who's getting the first down/TD.


Kendall Lamm


That would be one heck of a throw ..... to get a 1st down pass to him all the way in Tennessee. rofl
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 03:58 PM
Oh, was he a free agent?
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 04:02 PM
Yup.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/22/21 04:02 PM
Titans' Kendall Lamm: Signs with Titans
by RotoWire Staff | RotoWire

Lamm has agreed to a two-year deal with the Titans worth up to $8.5 million, Ian Rapoport of NFL Network reports.

Lamm was drafted by the Texans in 2015 and subsequently spent four years in Houston. He then departed to Cleveland where he has spent the last two seasons. He now will either provide depth on the Titans' offensive line or potentially earn a starting gig.
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 06:10 AM
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
We’ll find out this year if he’s able to improve
I hope he can improve his touchdown dance, one that doesn't look like he's having a seizure.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 03:32 PM
Yep. He needs to work on that.
Posted By: FATE Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 03:53 PM
I remember watching that dance and thinking "well, he is a product of Michigan".
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 04:18 PM
Damn that's pretty weird., But I hope to see it several times each game naughtydevil
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 06:04 PM
That reminds me of Stuart from SNL.

"Look what I can do!"
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 07:36 PM
It could be worse .......



Or ......

Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/23/21 09:49 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
That reminds me of Stuart from SNL.

"Look what I can do!"

He just mixed the marvel and whatever comic book universes. (I don't follow comic books.)
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 06/24/21 02:57 AM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
That reminds me of Stuart from SNL.

"Look what I can do!"


Mad TV, not SNL.
Posted By: BpG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/01/21 03:27 PM
His combine was off the charts for a 6th round pick. Dripping with athleticism.



Then early in the season I saw him play and was like, this dudes combine doesn't translate, it happens for some guys. He came on a little bit, would love to see a jump because he is clearly an athlete, but we've seen it hundreds of times, most of the best athletes in the world can't play football.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/01/21 04:11 PM

Honestly I thought he played very well for a rookie.

If he doesn't make that catch in the Bengal game; we don't make the playoffs.

On top of that he blocks very well.

https://www.brownsnation.com/3-young-browns-players-who-might-be-stars-in-2022-and-beyond/
Posted By: MemphisBrownie Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/01/21 08:51 PM
I'm looking forward to watching DPJ in 2021. I don't expect him to be high on the snap count early on, but who knows, if he is part of some big plays, his time on the field may increase.

I wonder what is role will be like after OBJ and/or Landry are gone?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQ-H2zLIYsM
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/01/21 10:15 PM

Not this year but after this year.

DPJ and Schwartz could be the Odell and Jarvis of the future.

Schwartz maybe more like DeSean Jackson.

DPJ may not have the quick separation skill like Odell. But he has big play ability.

You add some other complimentary receiver like a Higgins or someone of that quality. Good to go as long as you can still run the rock.

I am so at ease right now with our staff. I am not sweating a thing.

I know we are in good hands.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/02/21 04:10 AM
If the Browns could overcome their history and get a good eye to recognize the players that will end up really really good wide receivers then the team might really be on to something.
Posted By: FATE Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/02/21 04:18 AM
Originally Posted By: BpG
His combine was off the charts for a 6th round pick. Dripping with athleticism.



Then early in the season I saw him play and was like, this dudes combine doesn't translate, it happens for some guys. He came on a little bit, would love to see a jump because he is clearly an athlete, but we've seen it hundreds of times, most of the best athletes in the world can't play football.

Interested in what you mean by "doesn't translate". You make it sound so permanent. I thought there were at least a few "there's a real football player" moments with DPJ last season despite him looking a little rough around the edges.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/02/21 11:08 AM

I care about now.

IMO the Browns have a strong unit of receivers with good competition within.

This year the unit will fit into a balanced offensive attack.

The offense will score and will be one of the better groups in the NFL.
Posted By: Brown to the Bone Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/02/21 11:20 AM
When I look at the Browns on paper I truly wonder how anyone will deal with this lineup one of the things we as Browns fans don't really look at is how do you shut the Browns down?

They said that teams last season dared Bake to beat them they loaded up to stop Chubb and Hunt, but when faced with that scenario towards the end of last season especially Bake took defenses apart. I think that teams that focus on stopping Chubb and Hunt are about to get beat like never before. It was also said that KC focused on Chubb and Hunt, let them try that this year. Oh and it was when we were facing KC that I realized how critical that we have the very element that OBJ brings to the table. The thing Bake needs to focus on is letting the game come to him when it comes to the use of OBJ and the pieces will simply fall in place.

The defense is another animal or ingredient that has been added to the mix this year. Teams are bound to try to plow our defense under. I believe they are going to be faced with a situation where they have to try to throw the ball against our defense and we are loaded up in this area to take that away. In reading what is being said the Browns as a defense don't think you can run the ball enough to keep up and that when you go to the pass they have some answers.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/02/21 11:57 AM

No doubt that the second half of last season the Browns offense found it's groove.

That offense now will begin it's second year. That alone makes it better. Add Odell who is a huge add. Add Schwartz who although he will be limited in touches. Those touches add a new dimension. Schwartz will be the trickster. There will be designed plays for his speed. When on the field he will make a defense honor that speed and open more space. This will open more options. We also have added better OL depth.

We were good enough on offense last year and we will be better.

What moves this team into true Super Bowl contention is the improvements on defense.

We lost games last year with a poor secondary. Even games we won like Dallas, Jags, Bengals we let them back in the game. That will not happen this year.

We will start 8/9 new guys on defense. The pass rush will be way better. Linebacker play - way better.

The changes on defense will create more offensive opportunities. We will get more turnovers, more sacks, and more three and out's.

We both know as well others that this team can be special.

Because when you look at all that has been discussed.

We are led by an outstanding young coach to boot.
Posted By: eotab Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/03/21 01:46 PM
Actually for the amount of reps he got I thought he exceeded all expectations. Especially for a rookie 6th round pick. he showed excellent skills many of those catches were in very small windows. He made the catches and succeeded on important first downs and TDs.

jmho - don't know what anyone expected from a rookie.
Posted By: GMdawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 11:26 AM
Quote:
jmho - don't know what anyone expected from a rookie.


Some folks think 100 catches for 1,400 yards and 15 TD's is about right rolleyes
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 01:12 PM
Well anything less makes it a wasted draft pick.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 01:38 PM
Yeah, players should start out great and stay there. If you have to grow in to a job, you are a flunkie.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 02:59 PM
I agree. When we picked him, he was just a 6th rounder with potential upside due to physical ability. He began to show last year that he may, indeed, be able to hit the ceiling people projected for him; but, there's a reason he was a 6th rounder, and those deficiencies take time to develop past. In year two, we get to see if last year was a flash in the pan or if he picks up where he left off and continues to grow & progress toward that ceiling, or beyond.
Posted By: guard dawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 04:41 PM
j/C

Don't know if this has been mentioned. Stefanski said something to the effect that DPJ just does his job and was surprisingly mature in terms of assignment execution.

Before he got any touches his blocking stood out to the coaches.

So imagine how he'll help when he's not even a receiving target. How will Stefanski deploy him so that other guys get clean releases or he can chip in the run game? That's along with his receiving ability.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/04/21 07:33 PM
The Question should be, how do Demetric Felton and DPJ compare and contrast as Wide Receivers.
I think fans could really be excited about Felton, he could make some plays.
Posted By: eotab Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 02:03 PM
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Well anything less makes it a wasted draft pick.



6th round pick - special teamer then actual game rep usage. How does it even come close to a wasted pick...Oh no wait till you all get upset at the lack of usage of Schwartz 3rd round status. As GM pointed out way too much expectation.

jmho
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 02:10 PM

I believe he was being sarcastic.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 02:36 PM
Originally Posted By: bonefish

I believe he was being sarcastic.


I was channeling my inner THROW LONG.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 03:27 PM

yeah 1400 yds for a 6th rounder not enough
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 09:51 PM
Originally Posted By: PortlandDawg
Originally Posted By: bonefish

I believe he was being sarcastic.


I was channeling my inner THROW LONG.


Make no mistake about it.
I don't think Schwartz belongs in the NFL, at least not in the sense that a 3rd round pick was used on him.

Maybe after 5 years of development,
rofl, ... rofl, the phrase "used on him" the screen went flash white and had to reset... I think the secret watchers are screen shotting my post again for to take make sure I'm not a kidnapper or something,
baseball Coach lives and d;;s by his choice of a relief pitcher, caused the ole white flash and screen resets in 2012 ish.

anyway, back to Schwartz, (Sorry the team won't admit it was a bad mistake to use a 3rd on a player, who won't turn into a real receiver for probably 4 to 5 years,
Hodge I don't like, but Hodge is far more along to
"not ruining offensive drives with mistakes, than probably Schwartz is.

And if Schwartz could return punts, why would the Cle. Plain Dealer guys say, "if someone else would catch the ball and hand it to him", I mean,

look, IF! The NFL draft actually takes place as it's presented to the public, ( and not previously done in a secret location where they could take weeks to make up their minds)

then the teams continuously have to make decisions in 15 minute time windows, sometimes fewer minutes,
and sometimes, those decisions are rushed and are just bad decisions.

So, Media and the actual team, using the idea or concept that since players like Jordan Elliott and or Anthony Schwartz were drafted, and before the 5th,
means they have to make a team

Well, then it just is what it is.
Whether they can play worth anything or not. thumbsdown
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/05/21 11:01 PM



Schwartz was scouted by people paid to do that job.

Before draft day the Board was devised by all members of the Browns involved in making draft decisions.

Then Berry selected him at a time he felt appropriate.

You have no clue whether he will be worth a third round pick or not.

That will be determined when he goes to camp and competes for a place on the team.

We will all be able to see how that will turn out as the season moves along.

You have an opinion and that is all you have.

Saying he will ruin drives and make mistakes is based upon no valid information.

Here is a breakdown maybe this will help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKguIO2_L6U
Posted By: Steubenvillian Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 01:47 AM
Why do you even read his malarkey? The dude just spews crap left and right.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 02:04 AM
I enjoy the fact that 'malarkey' is making a comeback.
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 04:38 AM
I want to see 'serendipity' come back
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 05:36 AM
Originally Posted By: Steubenvillian
Why do you even read his malarkey? The dude just spews crap left and right.

^ Does this guy cheer when he attends games or know of anyone who does.
What is the purpose, who is the real audience.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 11:57 AM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: Steubenvillian
Why do you even read his malarkey? The dude just spews crap left and right.

^ Does this guy cheer when he attends games or know of anyone who does.
What is the purpose, who is the real audience.


I swear, you don't have any clue....Not one
Posted By: FATE Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 01:37 PM
Originally Posted By: Steubenvillian
Why do you even read his malarkey? The dude just spews crap left and right.
Originally Posted By: Clemdawg
I enjoy the fact that 'malarkey' is making a comeback.

Not only that it's making a comeback... but that it's showing it's face here courtesy of an ambidextrous crap spewer!
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 01:58 PM
Originally Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain
I want to see 'serendipity' come back


It will when it's meant to happen.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 03:08 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Make no mistake about it.
I don't think


On this we agree 100%.
Posted By: BpG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 03:17 PM
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: BpG
His combine was off the charts for a 6th round pick. Dripping with athleticism.



Then early in the season I saw him play and was like, this dudes combine doesn't translate, it happens for some guys. He came on a little bit, would love to see a jump because he is clearly an athlete, but we've seen it hundreds of times, most of the best athletes in the world can't play football.

Interested in what you mean by "doesn't translate". You make it sound so permanent. I thought there were at least a few "there's a real football player" moments with DPJ last season despite him looking a little rough around the edges.



Sure, I mean his athleticism just didn't jump off the field like his combine results suggest. When I see a guy with those type of numbers I sort of expect them to look faster, more explosive than other guys. Just didn't see that last season, especially early in the season on Punt Returns and whatnot, looked slow actually which was very surprising.

Like I said, plenty of track stars, record breaking speedsters than fizzled out in the league so he wouldn't be the first to have his athleticism not translate. Doesn't mean he can't play, but typically when you see guys with crazy combine numbers and little to no production in college you're sort of hoping that burst and speed at the combine translates.

Seems like a good young man, so hopefully he can carve out a nice little career for himself. Would love to see him get a second contract.
Posted By: BpG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 03:23 PM
Originally Posted By: bonefish

Honestly I thought he played very well for a rookie.

If he doesn't make that catch in the Bengal game; we don't make the playoffs.

On top of that he blocks very well.

https://www.brownsnation.com/3-young-browns-players-who-might-be-stars-in-2022-and-beyond/


Sure, he played great for a 6th round pick. Just thought his combine numbers were so dynamic we would have seen something more in terms of athleticism. Sort of explains how a guy so athletic could have such poor production in college. Punt returns looked horrible early in the season, not a ton of separation on routes....maybe Harbaugh is just a bad coach?


Seems like a great kid, love to see him improve.
Posted By: oobernoober Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 03:54 PM
Captain Obvious here, but it also has a lot to do with the others in the WR-room. I don't care who you are or where you've come from, if you're new to this WR room, you're looking up at a few people ahead of you in the pecking order.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 04:08 PM

In addition his college numbers are not all the result of his performance.

They are also the result of the system he was in and how he was used.

By all those informed about that program - not really to good for the skills he had.

As a college recruit he was ranked very high.
Posted By: BpG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 05:14 PM
His own numbers were "not at all the result of his performance"? Not sure that's how that works. His numbers were pathetic regardless of system. He was a 5 star recruit that went to a pro style system and produced a whopping 438 yards his final season. No need to make excuses for the guy.

Nice kid by all accounts, hell of an athlete, made some plays. Didn't look as athletic as his eye popping combine numbers, was a rookie 6th rounder and made some nice contributions. I'd say even if he doesn't play, his results last year alone were 6th round pick worthy. Most of those guys don't make it.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 05:26 PM
And I think that's where the biggest problem in the miscommunication lies. For a sixth round pick he contributed well and earned his draft status. Where it goes from there is anyone's guess.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 05:55 PM

I do not follow the program that he came from.

I am going by what I have read from others. That he was not used well.

Frankly, I do not care. He played well with limited opportunities. Also, according to Baker he looks fantastic from the what they have done so far.

I expect that he will get more chances this year. We will see how that goes.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/06/21 07:38 PM
He had trash QB play at ichigan.
If he’d had played with even an average college QB his numbers would have been better.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 12:04 AM
Originally Posted By: BpG
Originally Posted By: bonefish

Honestly I thought he played very well for a rookie.

If he doesn't make that catch in the Bengal game; we don't make the playoffs.

On top of that he blocks very well.

https://www.brownsnation.com/3-young-browns-players-who-might-be-stars-in-2022-and-beyond/


Sure, he played great for a 6th round pick. Just thought his combine numbers were so dynamic we would have seen something more in terms of athleticism. Sort of explains how a guy so athletic could have such poor production in college. Punt returns looked horrible early in the season, not a ton of separation on routes....maybe Harbaugh is just a bad coach?


Seems like a great kid, love to see him improve.


He made the most of the opportunities he was handed..
Posted By: WooferDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 05:12 AM
I will say this because I actually believe it.

In the first four rounds, you are hoping for a player that will have some immediate impact.

Beyond that it is anyone’s guess.

If the player is talented and dedicated, there should be a big jump from year 1 to 2. That is the point where you begin to know if you have a sustainable NFL player. They have had a full off season to dedicate to their job, and they are surrounded by every possible thing to help them succeed. But they have to want it too.

A few years ago the Browns drafted 3 receivers in the latter rounds. Higgins is the only one that remains. He worked hard and it became evident that he deserved a roster spot. So even though he did not get the big money, he will probably be in the league for a while. Most never make it to a second contract. It’s the NFL in the salary cap era, When you have a 100 million dollar player you need 10 making the minimum.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 09:28 AM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: BpG
Originally Posted By: bonefish

Honestly I thought he played very well for a rookie.

If he doesn't make that catch in the Bengal game; we don't make the playoffs.

On top of that he blocks very well.

https://www.brownsnation.com/3-young-browns-players-who-might-be-stars-in-2022-and-beyond/


Sure, he played great for a 6th round pick. Just thought his combine numbers were so dynamic we would have seen something more in terms of athleticism. Sort of explains how a guy so athletic could have such poor production in college. Punt returns looked horrible early in the season, not a ton of separation on routes....maybe Harbaugh is just a bad coach?


Seems like a great kid, love to see him improve.


He made the most of the opportunities he was handed..



I agree. It will be important for him, and more importantly the team, he continues to make strides.

The overall health and balance of the team can't be maintained with both OBJ and Landry making what they make. We need someone to step up as replacement.
Posted By: W84NxtYrAgain Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 09:38 AM
Originally Posted By: ChargerDawg


In the first four rounds, you are hoping for a player that will have some immediate impact.

Beyond that it is anyone’s guess.
I'm hoping for 1st rounders have an immediate impact, 2nd rounders to be starters (maybe not immediately), 3rd/4th rounders to be roll players, and beyond that is a crap shoot.
Posted By: PrplPplEater Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 10:21 AM
As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".
Posted By: WSU Willie Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 01:18 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".


Agreed...I'll reiterate here that his rookie season was COVID-time and the coaches really couldn't get their hands on him. A 6th Rd rookie on his own running around in an offense that is new - and learned virtually at that - might look a little shaky from the casual eye. I think we are going to like the guy,
Posted By: PastorMarc Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 01:23 PM
He reminds me somewhat of Derrick Alexander who the Cleveland Browns picked in the 1st round (29th overall) of the 1994 NFL Draft.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 02:02 PM
Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".


I agree. Even if he only improve fractionally over his career, he will be a decent player well worth the selection.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 03:17 PM
Look at the Steelers over the Roethlisberger years. They draft WRs late in the draft, and they become useful to outstanding. The QB helps make a WR.

That's one thing about the Rodgers situation that bothers me. He has helped his receivers develop, but then almost throws them under the bus, implying, if not saying, that they just aren't good enough.
Posted By: eotab Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 03:43 PM
wont bother with most of your drivel but one thing just tickled me.

Hodge I don't like, but Hodge is far more along

Well gee duh Hodge is 26 and in his 4th year (???)

I would expect him to be far more along than a 20 year old rookie. Do you even read your garbage?
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 05:17 PM

I remember listening to Belichick at the opening of camp.

He said something along the line of " I don't give damn how you got here. First rounder or walk on free agent. From this point on you are here and you are here for a reason. You will get looked at. You will get a chance to compete. What you make of it is up to you."

There are rosters all over the league that have undrafted free agents on their roster. If you have the talent you will get noticed and will play.

DPJ got a chance. He made the roster last year for a reason. He showed something. When he got in games. He made the most of every opportunity.

At OTA's Baker said he showed up looking awesome. Like he is more than ready.

If he continues to improve guys like Higgins, Hodge and anyone else will be dealing with him for work.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 05:35 PM
While that is certainly true there are degrees to that. Investment is also a factor.

We've seen it time and time again where a first round draft pick who busts gets a lot of time to prove himself. Usually a minimum of two seasons. That team made a huge investment in that player and as such will offer him every opportunity to turn things around.

Not so much with a late round pick or UDFA.

So while yes, they will all get an opportunity, that opportunity will not be nearly the same for all of them.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/07/21 05:51 PM

All true.
Posted By: hitt Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/10/21 04:00 PM
So true, at every level of sports, investment means something- as a walk-on at Kent State, the scrubs beat the scholarship guys often-60s, yet the scholarship guys played...I remember a guy from inter Cleveland who as non scholarship player scored 17 pts in a game when scholarship guy was hurt...out he went upon recovery never to see the floor again in meaningful time....memory lane, the world ain't fair...go DPJ, go Browns!!!
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/11/21 01:32 AM
I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good.

I think that, (everybody already knows that he's not, and making excuses until its obvious just delays the inevitable and wastes time until they find a fix.)

It's possible that thought is wrong.

Criticizing me for having that thought, won't make Schwartz a better player, the same as

I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good.
the same as

Hating me for holding that thought won't make Schwartz a better player either.

Development? There have been scores of Wrs. over the years that have had a rookie year, Taylor Gabirel, Syndric Steptoe, Randy Moss, Corey Coleman, name any player, Everybody had a rookie year, they weren't all 20 years old at the time, but they all had a first year.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/11/21 01:00 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good.

I think that, (everybody already knows that he's not, and making excuses until its obvious just delays the inevitable and wastes time until they find a fix.)

It's possible that thought is wrong.

Criticizing me for having that thought, won't make Schwartz a better player, the same as

I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good.
the same as

Hating me for holding that thought won't make Schwartz a better player either.

Development? There have been scores of Wrs. over the years that have had a rookie year, Taylor Gabirel, Syndric Steptoe, Randy Moss, Corey Coleman, name any player, Everybody had a rookie year, they weren't all 20 years old at the time, but they all had a first year.


Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/11/21 11:50 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..


Wishful thinking on your part first.
The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/12/21 05:33 PM
So what is it that qualifies you to make such a determination? Personally I think this is nothing but trolling.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/12/21 10:01 PM
Many years of watching football, this doesn't do well in the NFL. Good Luck.
Posted By: DeputyDawg Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/12/21 11:05 PM
If Schwartz is above average, it will be a bonus for the Browns. They really don't need him to be above average though. They just need him to be fast and it keeps those DB's from creeping up to stop Chubb and Hunt and from doubling OBJ.



Make the back of the defense respect your speed and punch the front of the defense in the mouth.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 11:47 AM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
So what is it that qualifies you to make such a determination? Personally I think this is nothing but trolling.


I don't think it is trolling, and when you get down to it, what makes any of us qualified?
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 11:55 AM

This is a good article on the Browns receivers:

"Under head coach Kevin Stefanski, the 2020 Cleveland Browns opened the season with KhaDarel Hodge as the team's primary third receiver, which had everything to do with his skill set as opposed to talent, so while 2021 may be different in terms of who plays that position, that thought process could still endure.

Despite being the most efficient receiver on the team as well as simply the best of 2021, Rashard Higgins did not become a regular contributor in the Browns offense until Odell Beckham tore his ACL week seven.

Previously, the Browns primary three receivers were Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry and KhaDarel Hodge, even if Hodge was rarely targeted. His size, strength and speed were favored because the Browns offense desperately needed more players that could push vertically to create more space for the rest of the offense. He was also an excellent blocker.

Higgins more than proved himself and short of an injury situation will be the heavy favorite to get the majority of snaps in that third receiver slot. According to Higgins in Jarvis Landry's Just Juice, "I'm not goin just like, zoom, past a [guy]. That's never been me."

And with Landry particularly last year along with an offense that features tight ends, that was a little problematic at least schematically. Ultimately, Higgins was able to find success along with Landry in the lineup out of necessity due to injuries not just limited to Beckham.

The fact Landry plans to play leaner this year should help.

There's an almost inexplicable chemistry between Baker Mayfield and Higgins that dates back to Mayfield's rookie year. Part of it is the fact that Higgins is such an effective route runner and understands how to create separation despite any elite physical traits, something he's been able to do dating back his days at Colorado State.

Not only does he get open, he was the most reliable target on the team last year. He caught everything including a couple truly spectacular catches. It stands to reason the team simply isn't going to doubt it, based on what Higgins was able to do. The fact he's able to attack the intermediate levels of the field effectively, which does not worsen the Browns spacing problems on offense is also in his favor.

Clearly, Stefanski wants more speed in the lineup. It was a priority in the offseason, adding Anthony Schwartz to the wide receiver room with a third round pick, a player who might have been able to go to the Olympics as a sprinter if that was his primary focus.

Schwartz is a rookie and will be utilized even if it's only occasionally to try to stretch the field, but Hodge can contribute in that role and the Browns are likely going to feature Donovan Peoples-Jones entering his second season in that third receiver slot.

This isn't to suggest that Peoples-Jones should be given the job. The Browns love his potential, his work ethic and he's doing everything to put himself in the best position to contribute and grow with this team and in this offense. He just has to get there.

The Browns are not likely to get ahead of themselves with Peoples-Jones. They have proven guys ahead of him still, so they don't need to rush him. As with his rookie season, the Browns allowed all of their rookies other than Jedrick Wills to develop at their own pace, putting them in positions to succeed and grow.

As pleasant a surprise was he was, Peoples-Jones was targeted just 23 times in 14 games as a rookie. He caught 16 of them for an incredible 335 yards.

Hodge was only targeted 17 times in 11 games, but he caught 11 of those for 180 yards and every one of them went for a first down.

Their impact out weighted their actual production, because they were able to make key plays that helped the Browns win games.

It's important to remember that that if the Browns do run three receivers and some combination of a tight end and running back, particularly when it's Kareem Hunt will likely be a more featured receiver than they would be.

On one hand, that means they may not see the ball all that much. On the other, if teams are trying to cover Beckham, Landry, Hooper or Njoku and then Hunt, the defense may give up plays simply because the defense is occupied with trying to stop everyone else.

Should a player like Peoples-Jones prove he's ready to take on more of a role in the offense, the coaching staff isn't going to hold him back. Both Hodge and Peoples-Jones offer size, strength and speed. They may not be burners like Schwartz and Beckham, but they might as well be compared to Landry and Higgins as well as the tight ends.

The more skill sets and body types the Browns have at their disposal (and they have a ton), the more matchup problems they can cause for the opponent.

Getting back to Hunt, don't be surprised if he's the third receiver at times. With more time to prepare the offense, some glimpses of Hunt being used in space to great effect in games such as against the Baltimore Ravens last year, the more they should use him as a receiver.

Whether it's in conjunction with Nick Chubb as the lone back in the backfield or simply motioning him out like previous coaching staffs did seasons with former Browns back Duke Johnson, they can put stress on defenses while identifying the coverage and making life easier for Mayfield.

It's one of the major benefits to running a two tight end based offense. The third receiver can be more of a weapon as opposed to someone that needs to be able to function in a specific task, potentially in the slot or moving the chains. The Browns can be flexible with that position, thinking of terms of attacking the defense as opposed to needs they must fill.

As a result, don't expect a firm depth chart outside Beckham and Landry at the top for the rest of the receivers unless injuries occur. Higgins will likely get the lion's share of the snaps, because he's more than proven himself, but players like Donovan Peoples-Jones, KhaDarel Hodge, Anthony Schwartz and Kareem Hunt could all operate in that role depending on the situation the Browns find themselves this season."

Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 12:08 PM
I think a good point is made as to not getting hung up on who is the 'starter". I think a good number of players are going to get a good amount of reps.

I have read many say that Schwartz won't play much. I disagree. It's hard to quantify how many snaps that means, but he is going to play unless it is proven he drops everything thrown his way and he can't get off the LOS.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 12:10 PM
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..


Wishful thinking on your part first.
The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.



So what's your point
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 12:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..


Wishful thinking on your part first.
The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.



So what's your point


I think you know as well as I do that sometimes there are posters who have trouble summing up their thoughts with points.

I just don't think the guy is trolling.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 04:58 PM
I suppose everyone can come to their own conclusion but in my opinion the investment a business puts into a commodity helps you determine what value that business places on that commodity.

I mean we all have opinions on players, who should start and who is better at their position and how valuable they are to the team. But beyond our opinions I think the investment a team places on a player tells us more about how they see that players value to the team. Higgins has a contract which pays him more than both Schwartz or Drew.

But let's look at how they've handled Higgins. In both of the past two seasons Higgins was only signed to a one year extension. This year they took a pretty big gamble by letting him test the market. So from a salary and length of contract standpoint, it appears their urgency for keeping Higgins isn't of primary importance.

I remember well the deal we made to absorb a 16 million dollar cap hit to acquire a second round pick for Brock Osweiler. Most posters agreed that since we weren't in cap hell it was worth the 16 million dollar price tag for a second round pick.

So if that's the value of a second round pick, what's the value of a third round pick? Because for some reason, even with the plethora of WR talent we have on the roster, this FO felt that such an investment was worth it to draft Schwartz. I think we can all agree that both Jarvis and OBJ as a tandem will not remain on the Browns roster for the long haul. that's far too much of the salary cap pie.

But what we can do is look at who and how they're investing in their attempt to build the WR position moving into the future. The largest investment to date is in the third round selection of Schwartz.

It's very true nobody can predict what happens after a player is drafted. None of us really know what the future holds. But what we can do is look at the evidence in front of us to determine the plan being laid out by those in charge.
Posted By: Damanshot Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 05:02 PM
Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: Damanshot
Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Originally Posted By: Damanshot

Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..


Wishful thinking on your part first.
The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.



So what's your point


I think you know as well as I do that sometimes there are posters who have trouble summing up their thoughts with points.

I just don't think the guy is trolling.


I think he is Trolling. Why is it wishful thinking?

Yup,, total troll
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 05:17 PM

Obviously the unknown comes into play.

Investment on the front end is the draft round.

However, guys like Hodge and DPJ were low end investments on the front end.

"If" they turn into front line starters. That provides a huge return on investment.

High end free agent receivers will always be available. That is relatively common. Just like when we signed Jarvis.

This year DPJ and Hodge will be hard pressed to get targets as long as Jarvis, Odell and Higgins remain healthy.

However, KS and Berry will be looking hard at Schwartz, Hodge and DPJ knowing Odell and Jarvis can not last here.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 05:29 PM
Point being, investment on the front end indicates how the investor sees the perceived need and value. So even with the other WR's on the roster, they made a much higher investment in him than they did any of the others.
Posted By: YTownBrownsFan Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 09:03 PM
Actually, we traded for Jarvis.
Posted By: bonefish Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/13/21 10:06 PM
True. My bad. I was unsure and did not look it up.

Point remains.

Good free agent receivers are always out there.
Posted By: THROW LONG Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/15/21 01:24 AM
Originally Posted By: bonefish
True. My bad. I was unsure and did not look it up.

Point remains.

Good free agent receivers are always out there.

It's a philosophy of building your football team thing.
"Good free agent receivers are always out there."
is one philosophy. It's not one I'm primarily fond of but Go Browns.
Posted By: Ballpeen Re: Donovan Peoples-Jones. - 07/15/21 09:52 AM
I guess it depends on the free agent.

Some free agents are pro bowl players. Some not.

Technically, I am a NFL free agent. Today I will be a QB and tell everyone I see that I am a NFL free agent QB.

Just waiting on the call. I am ready!
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