Sure, he played great for a 6th round pick. Just thought his combine numbers were so dynamic we would have seen something more in terms of athleticism. Sort of explains how a guy so athletic could have such poor production in college. Punt returns looked horrible early in the season, not a ton of separation on routes....maybe Harbaugh is just a bad coach?
Seems like a great kid, love to see him improve.
He made the most of the opportunities he was handed..
I agree. It will be important for him, and more importantly the team, he continues to make strides.
The overall health and balance of the team can't be maintained with both OBJ and Landry making what they make. We need someone to step up as replacement.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
In the first four rounds, you are hoping for a player that will have some immediate impact.
Beyond that it is anyone’s guess.
I'm hoping for 1st rounders have an immediate impact, 2nd rounders to be starters (maybe not immediately), 3rd/4th rounders to be roll players, and beyond that is a crap shoot.
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As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".
Agreed...I'll reiterate here that his rookie season was COVID-time and the coaches really couldn't get their hands on him. A 6th Rd rookie on his own running around in an offense that is new - and learned virtually at that - might look a little shaky from the casual eye. I think we are going to like the guy,
He reminds me somewhat of Derrick Alexander who the Cleveland Browns picked in the 1st round (29th overall) of the 1994 NFL Draft.
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As a 6th rounder, on this roster, he's already exceeded NFL averages and is in the plus category. If his trajectory continues as it has been, he will be the steal of that draft; he'll be a guy that fans of other teams talk about on their message boards saying things like "look, you CAN get a WR in the 6th".
I agree. Even if he only improve fractionally over his career, he will be a decent player well worth the selection.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Look at the Steelers over the Roethlisberger years. They draft WRs late in the draft, and they become useful to outstanding. The QB helps make a WR.
That's one thing about the Rodgers situation that bothers me. He has helped his receivers develop, but then almost throws them under the bus, implying, if not saying, that they just aren't good enough.
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I remember listening to Belichick at the opening of camp.
He said something along the line of " I don't give damn how you got here. First rounder or walk on free agent. From this point on you are here and you are here for a reason. You will get looked at. You will get a chance to compete. What you make of it is up to you."
There are rosters all over the league that have undrafted free agents on their roster. If you have the talent you will get noticed and will play.
DPJ got a chance. He made the roster last year for a reason. He showed something. When he got in games. He made the most of every opportunity.
At OTA's Baker said he showed up looking awesome. Like he is more than ready.
If he continues to improve guys like Higgins, Hodge and anyone else will be dealing with him for work.
While that is certainly true there are degrees to that. Investment is also a factor.
We've seen it time and time again where a first round draft pick who busts gets a lot of time to prove himself. Usually a minimum of two seasons. That team made a huge investment in that player and as such will offer him every opportunity to turn things around.
Not so much with a late round pick or UDFA.
So while yes, they will all get an opportunity, that opportunity will not be nearly the same for all of them.
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So true, at every level of sports, investment means something- as a walk-on at Kent State, the scrubs beat the scholarship guys often-60s, yet the scholarship guys played...I remember a guy from inter Cleveland who as non scholarship player scored 17 pts in a game when scholarship guy was hurt...out he went upon recovery never to see the floor again in meaningful time....memory lane, the world ain't fair...go DPJ, go Browns!!!
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I think that, (everybody already knows that he's not, and making excuses until its obvious just delays the inevitable and wastes time until they find a fix.)
It's possible that thought is wrong.
Criticizing me for having that thought, won't make Schwartz a better player, the same as
I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good. the same as
Hating me for holding that thought won't make Schwartz a better player either.
Development? There have been scores of Wrs. over the years that have had a rookie year, Taylor Gabirel, Syndric Steptoe, Randy Moss, Corey Coleman, name any player, Everybody had a rookie year, they weren't all 20 years old at the time, but they all had a first year.
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I think that, (everybody already knows that he's not, and making excuses until its obvious just delays the inevitable and wastes time until they find a fix.)
It's possible that thought is wrong.
Criticizing me for having that thought, won't make Schwartz a better player, the same as
I can't ruin Schwartz if he's actually good. the same as
Hating me for holding that thought won't make Schwartz a better player either.
Development? There have been scores of Wrs. over the years that have had a rookie year, Taylor Gabirel, Syndric Steptoe, Randy Moss, Corey Coleman, name any player, Everybody had a rookie year, they weren't all 20 years old at the time, but they all had a first year.
Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
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Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
Wishful thinking on your part first. The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.
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If Schwartz is above average, it will be a bonus for the Browns. They really don't need him to be above average though. They just need him to be fast and it keeps those DB's from creeping up to stop Chubb and Hunt and from doubling OBJ.
Make the back of the defense respect your speed and punch the front of the defense in the mouth.
"Under head coach Kevin Stefanski, the 2020 Cleveland Browns opened the season with KhaDarel Hodge as the team's primary third receiver, which had everything to do with his skill set as opposed to talent, so while 2021 may be different in terms of who plays that position, that thought process could still endure.
Despite being the most efficient receiver on the team as well as simply the best of 2021, Rashard Higgins did not become a regular contributor in the Browns offense until Odell Beckham tore his ACL week seven.
Previously, the Browns primary three receivers were Odell Beckham, Jarvis Landry and KhaDarel Hodge, even if Hodge was rarely targeted. His size, strength and speed were favored because the Browns offense desperately needed more players that could push vertically to create more space for the rest of the offense. He was also an excellent blocker.
Higgins more than proved himself and short of an injury situation will be the heavy favorite to get the majority of snaps in that third receiver slot. According to Higgins in Jarvis Landry's Just Juice, "I'm not goin just like, zoom, past a [guy]. That's never been me."
And with Landry particularly last year along with an offense that features tight ends, that was a little problematic at least schematically. Ultimately, Higgins was able to find success along with Landry in the lineup out of necessity due to injuries not just limited to Beckham.
The fact Landry plans to play leaner this year should help.
There's an almost inexplicable chemistry between Baker Mayfield and Higgins that dates back to Mayfield's rookie year. Part of it is the fact that Higgins is such an effective route runner and understands how to create separation despite any elite physical traits, something he's been able to do dating back his days at Colorado State.
Not only does he get open, he was the most reliable target on the team last year. He caught everything including a couple truly spectacular catches. It stands to reason the team simply isn't going to doubt it, based on what Higgins was able to do. The fact he's able to attack the intermediate levels of the field effectively, which does not worsen the Browns spacing problems on offense is also in his favor.
Clearly, Stefanski wants more speed in the lineup. It was a priority in the offseason, adding Anthony Schwartz to the wide receiver room with a third round pick, a player who might have been able to go to the Olympics as a sprinter if that was his primary focus.
Schwartz is a rookie and will be utilized even if it's only occasionally to try to stretch the field, but Hodge can contribute in that role and the Browns are likely going to feature Donovan Peoples-Jones entering his second season in that third receiver slot.
This isn't to suggest that Peoples-Jones should be given the job. The Browns love his potential, his work ethic and he's doing everything to put himself in the best position to contribute and grow with this team and in this offense. He just has to get there.
The Browns are not likely to get ahead of themselves with Peoples-Jones. They have proven guys ahead of him still, so they don't need to rush him. As with his rookie season, the Browns allowed all of their rookies other than Jedrick Wills to develop at their own pace, putting them in positions to succeed and grow.
As pleasant a surprise was he was, Peoples-Jones was targeted just 23 times in 14 games as a rookie. He caught 16 of them for an incredible 335 yards.
Hodge was only targeted 17 times in 11 games, but he caught 11 of those for 180 yards and every one of them went for a first down.
Their impact out weighted their actual production, because they were able to make key plays that helped the Browns win games.
It's important to remember that that if the Browns do run three receivers and some combination of a tight end and running back, particularly when it's Kareem Hunt will likely be a more featured receiver than they would be.
On one hand, that means they may not see the ball all that much. On the other, if teams are trying to cover Beckham, Landry, Hooper or Njoku and then Hunt, the defense may give up plays simply because the defense is occupied with trying to stop everyone else.
Should a player like Peoples-Jones prove he's ready to take on more of a role in the offense, the coaching staff isn't going to hold him back. Both Hodge and Peoples-Jones offer size, strength and speed. They may not be burners like Schwartz and Beckham, but they might as well be compared to Landry and Higgins as well as the tight ends.
The more skill sets and body types the Browns have at their disposal (and they have a ton), the more matchup problems they can cause for the opponent.
Getting back to Hunt, don't be surprised if he's the third receiver at times. With more time to prepare the offense, some glimpses of Hunt being used in space to great effect in games such as against the Baltimore Ravens last year, the more they should use him as a receiver.
Whether it's in conjunction with Nick Chubb as the lone back in the backfield or simply motioning him out like previous coaching staffs did seasons with former Browns back Duke Johnson, they can put stress on defenses while identifying the coverage and making life easier for Mayfield.
It's one of the major benefits to running a two tight end based offense. The third receiver can be more of a weapon as opposed to someone that needs to be able to function in a specific task, potentially in the slot or moving the chains. The Browns can be flexible with that position, thinking of terms of attacking the defense as opposed to needs they must fill.
As a result, don't expect a firm depth chart outside Beckham and Landry at the top for the rest of the receivers unless injuries occur. Higgins will likely get the lion's share of the snaps, because he's more than proven himself, but players like Donovan Peoples-Jones, KhaDarel Hodge, Anthony Schwartz and Kareem Hunt could all operate in that role depending on the situation the Browns find themselves this season."
I think a good point is made as to not getting hung up on who is the 'starter". I think a good number of players are going to get a good amount of reps.
I have read many say that Schwartz won't play much. I disagree. It's hard to quantify how many snaps that means, but he is going to play unless it is proven he drops everything thrown his way and he can't get off the LOS.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
Wishful thinking on your part first. The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.
So what's your point
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
Wishful thinking on your part first. The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.
So what's your point
I think you know as well as I do that sometimes there are posters who have trouble summing up their thoughts with points.
I just don't think the guy is trolling.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn.
I suppose everyone can come to their own conclusion but in my opinion the investment a business puts into a commodity helps you determine what value that business places on that commodity.
I mean we all have opinions on players, who should start and who is better at their position and how valuable they are to the team. But beyond our opinions I think the investment a team places on a player tells us more about how they see that players value to the team. Higgins has a contract which pays him more than both Schwartz or Drew.
But let's look at how they've handled Higgins. In both of the past two seasons Higgins was only signed to a one year extension. This year they took a pretty big gamble by letting him test the market. So from a salary and length of contract standpoint, it appears their urgency for keeping Higgins isn't of primary importance.
I remember well the deal we made to absorb a 16 million dollar cap hit to acquire a second round pick for Brock Osweiler. Most posters agreed that since we weren't in cap hell it was worth the 16 million dollar price tag for a second round pick.
So if that's the value of a second round pick, what's the value of a third round pick? Because for some reason, even with the plethora of WR talent we have on the roster, this FO felt that such an investment was worth it to draft Schwartz. I think we can all agree that both Jarvis and OBJ as a tandem will not remain on the Browns roster for the long haul. that's far too much of the salary cap pie.
But what we can do is look at who and how they're investing in their attempt to build the WR position moving into the future. The largest investment to date is in the third round selection of Schwartz.
It's very true nobody can predict what happens after a player is drafted. None of us really know what the future holds. But what we can do is look at the evidence in front of us to determine the plan being laid out by those in charge.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Just to be clear, you have absolutely no idea how good or bad Schwartz is or will be. None.. You keep pushing this strange agenda..
Wishful thinking on your part first. The team decided to use a 3rd round pick on this player not me. Even to use their other resources elsewhere. Every year the team decides to use resources to address positions on the team. There will be an end someday to Mayfields career and they can live with what they chose to put around him in the meantime. For better or worse.
So what's your point
I think you know as well as I do that sometimes there are posters who have trouble summing up their thoughts with points.
I just don't think the guy is trolling.
I think he is Trolling. Why is it wishful thinking?
Yup,, total troll
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"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe." Damanshot
Point being, investment on the front end indicates how the investor sees the perceived need and value. So even with the other WR's on the roster, they made a much higher investment in him than they did any of the others.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
True. My bad. I was unsure and did not look it up.
Point remains.
Good free agent receivers are always out there.
It's a philosophy of building your football team thing. "Good free agent receivers are always out there." is one philosophy. It's not one I'm primarily fond of but Go Browns.
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