We have called up Elijah Lee (who I really like) and Odenigbo after Anthony Walker and then Jarvis Landry went to IR. I think Odenigbo already IS the pass rusher they hoped Weaver would become.

Walker is eligible to return for week #5 and Landry for week #6. A lot can happen between now and then so there is certainly no urgency.

Looking at our roster it is difficult to figure out who is on the in-season bubble. Our least-utilized guys are guys like: Fields, Togiai, Hudson...all this year's picks and developmental guys unlikely to help THIS year.

Assuming those rookies are "safe" who is your most-likely next roster move?

I don't think he's on any sort of short leash, but we've heard absolutely zilch about Takk since his pre-season drama. If a guy like Odenigbo takes to the D surprisingly well, it's not a great look for someone like Takk.

I wouldn't be surprised by a Takk move.

Thinking about Oline, if they really like Hudson's upside BUT still had Hance as the backup LT as they did Sunday...I'm thinking Hubbard might be a casualty if they keep Hudson. Hance showed no worse than Hubbard at LT. However, that leaves us rather thin at Oline...especially if Hudson cannot be relied-upon.

I think Hubbard's contract is now guaranteed (after week one for vets?) so maybe he's safe...which I am ok with. Just spitballin'.

Mack Wilson played a bit better last week (tough not to do), but I still think he’s not good

M Wilson, Fields, E Lee

Walker, JOK, M Smith

I'm guessing E Lee goes back to the PS when Walker is available.

They like something they see in M Wilson

What is it with the lust for blood we just put the roster together and we are already onto evaluations, firings and a new coaching staff.

I think its time we bounced a few fans.

Who is your most likely next roster move.

The most likely next move is no change in the roster.
I think it's likely neither Anthony Walker or Jarvis Landry return from IR in the next couple weeks.
I don't remember what Walkers injury was.
To discuss Landry, with a reported sprained/strained/torn something< MCL listed week to week.

MCL's and week to week injuries. In history I don't remember week to weeks ever being just a couple weeks, now, I think they take the full time to heal up, I'm thinking at least 10 weeks range, but,
if the part, body part, that is actually injured, is tertiary or insignificant enough that in an emergency the player could play a snap, or snaps, then I think they list them as week to week; but they rarely return until after significant time has passed.

Lust for blood? My goodness.

Newsflash: We have TWO starters on IR. They CAN return in weeks 5 and 6. That means that TWO guys on the roster today will NOT be on the roster after the starters return.

The point of the thread is to debate who might stay/stick on what has become a talented roster.

I think some fans are way too old to float around like a snowflake looking for something that "offends" them. Blood lust.

I thought it was interesting that the Browns promoted Odenigo before Porter Gustin.

E Lee up for A Walker is a LB for LB move.

When Landry went down, they Browns brought up a DE. They are clearly aware that they need help getting to the QB. I think that (not forcing a WR for WR change) also shows confidence in the WR group...and/or the overall group of players who can catch the ball.

I think Odenigbo is auditioning to stick on the 53. If he shows up well, Billings will be a large man floating on a bubble IMO.

We need to see Njoku split out wide a lot while Landry is out. He's a matchup nightmare. Use him.

When we went with 3 TE last week, I seem to recall seeing Bryant flexed out wide on several plays.

That changes nothing about the plays where another player should, or also should be split out wide.
Njoku, Hunt, other, Felton?, DPJ, or other; while Landry is out.
One of Bryants' catches, from the game, which comes to mind, looked slow developing and unstable, but they made it. There is always something to clean up.

With in-season injuries, and inactive gameday players, it is likely, we won't even notice, who is called up or let go.
They'll go probably to the practice squad anyway, and a P.S. player who they replace will be the one released, so that it will be even less noticeable.
If I have to come up with someone, think Offensive lineman # 10, or some Wr,
well, think about it, maybe somebody who fills a role vs. a certain opponent, will be requested, like Ofeyeddi Odenigbo for week #3.
The debate you are loking for, hardly exists because we won't notice roster moves from inactive on gmeday-practice squad and practice squad to waived with a futures contract.
Cornerback, AJ Green, just because I remember, was waived from p.s.and signed again later to the P.S. Last Season, in November 2020.
Do you remember noticing? He is on the active roster today, last check.

I was disappointed in Bryant's effort after contact last week. He goes down very easy. Slight contact and he's tripping all over the place and stumbling.

At least you know who you are................

He posts a lot on social media.

Maybe. I guess I'll have to watch for that, but as a receiving TE, I am not all that concerned with his yardage after contact.

He is a good player and I am happy with that. Long ago I have come to the realization that rarely are you going to have the perfect player.

haha this is true about both Bryant and Janovich. They topple over like those wobbly clown things

Janovich is a whole different story. I am not even sure why Stefanski keeps that guy on the team.

I love Stefanski but I think the guy makes a mistake in keeping a fullback active...and the wrong one at that. At least Stanton was a QB in college. If pressed, you could probably use him as an emergency QB if we had 2 QB's knocked out of the game.

I find at least a little insurance value in that.

Bryant runs good routes and has dependable hands he is also protecting the ball (maybe why his YAC is not great) as he fumbled last year.

I have noticed we are stocking up on TE...we signed the Alabama TE who played well there (everyone played well there lol) and just yesterday I think a kid from a small school who spent a little time with the Bengals in 2019 and 2020 - practice squad players I guess. We also promoted Franks from the practice squad. Probably to block on punts and play some special teams - more likely going to be inactive.

Some weird rule has teams allowed to bring players in from the practice squad and you can have 55 on the roster. Those players immediately after the game revert to practice squad automatically.

I love our Oline. I would change nothing (except if there was a way to get them all healthy). But at some points they look like they could a little extra 'blunt force trauma'. Cue Janovich.

A Walker is eligible to come off IR this week. I haven't heard a peep about his re-hab.

M Smith has played quite well in his place...so maybe no rush to activate him.

I'd hate to see Walker come back and Smith move over to JOKs starting spot.

I'd have a hard time cutting E Lee over Billings right now to make room.

Odenigbo would likely be the one to go to the Practice Squad, or Lee; maybe LeCounte since we're so deep in the secondary. Maybe Mack Wilson gets traded?

I don't see a lot of other choices. It's going to be even tougher when Landry comes back, too.

We have a lot of quality at the bottom of our roster.
It will be very interesting as to whether or not Walker gets his starting role back. I'm not totally certain he is better than Smith.



Odd Note that I didn't know: Derrick Willies is on the Reserve/Retired list.

DL Joe Jackson 5 7% No stats registered.
DL Andrew Billings 5 7% No stats registered.

LB Sione Takitaki 24 36% 2 tackles, 1 assist (3 combined).
LB Elijah Lee 14 21% 2 tackles (2 combined).
LB Mack Wilson 11 16% No stats registered.


From Grateful's post in another thread. Just based on snap counts, these seem to be the player's at most risk. I didn't include anybody from the defensive backfield because we have too many frequently injured players there to risk being thin there. I also didn't include anyone who didn't get any snaps because they weren't in the snap count. But all of those players would be at risk as well.

No one on offense stood out based on play counts. But certainly Wills and or Hubbard could go on IR.

Joe Jackson, even though he is ahead of Odenigbo on the depth chart, is a possibility.

I do not see Takitaki going as he has contributed.
A Mack Wilson trade makes the most sense to me.

You may already know this but...I'll add to the dilemma that these guys must first be cut before they can revert to our practice squad...so they are subject to the waiver wire unless they are a vet of some sort.

Billings has been MIA until the Vikings game where he got a few snaps...even Jordan Elliot at DT has been rather invisible. With MG and Clowney sometimes lining up inside, I'm not sure we need two other DTs on the 53 with the Maliks. FYI: Sheldon Day is still on our PS...I think he's a better DT than Billings anyway.

Unfortunately, I think E Lee is a possible cut...but only because he's an unknown that might slip back to our PS.

I don't think we'd miss Mack Wilson....especially now that Fields is playing STs.

I'd rather trade the old LB whose value is inflated by the fact that opponents don't account for him. Plus, at his age, he's only going to slow down. Smith's high PFF grade might convince someone to give up a pick.

My only hesitance is the signal caller aspect. The rest of the D functioned well with him out there in Minnesota. But if Walker is back in that role....

Based on what I've seen, I would play Lee over Wilson 100% of the time.

Willies retired in training camp.

I see no way that LeCounte would be exposed to waivers, because the only real reason he fell in the draft was that teams worried that he might never recover from his accident. Preseason showed that he was recovered. It is only our depth that is keeping him off the field right now. I am pretty sure the team has plans for him when Harrison becomes a free agent next year.

No doubt on Lee.

This brings up a point that i have been thinking about for a while now. Maybe a little Berry ego is starting to surface?

Not much, but Billings is a total flop and pretty much useless at this point.

A case might be able to be made in keeping Fields and Togai or however you spell the guys name. If Billings can beat him out for active duty, how good can he be? Fields could be another, but both of them are young so i guess a case can be made....stocking for the future.

I am a bit concerned some of the players we are stocking aren't going to be any good. Does anybody think Nick Harris as an example is going to be a solid interior line replacement?

I think our pro scouting is better than our college scouting at this point along both lines.

Nobody bats 1.000

If Nick Harris doesn't round out into Tretter's heir, then Berry will cross that bridge when he gets to it. They've seemed to hit on enough guys (both draft and pro) to gain and keep my confidence. They've also shown that they're not afraid to challenge 'their' guys and cut them loose if the situation indicates (Weaver, Parkey are examples off the top of my head).

They definitely don't seem to make knee-jerk moves. It seems (to me) they don't like to cut talented guys loose unless they're sure.

I'm intrigued by Harris. He was a mixed bag last season. I think he did a very good job vs the Giants and then sucked against the Jets.

He's a shorter guy who has a lower center of gravity. That can work for and against you depending on the scenario. He can move pretty quick, which is good for our blocking scheme.

I wish I could sit down with Bill Callahan and ask him his unabashed thoughts on how he has progressed.

I tend to go along with Callahan if he is working with the guy and the Browns are holding a roster spot for him Bill thinks he has something to work with.

Sorta strange question I know and I also know we are just kicking it here so there is no harm, but when do we actually trust the folks we have in place to handle these things?

JA

For the life of me, I don't know how you read into things the way you do.

Nobody said they don't trust Callahan or that Nick doesn't deserve a roster spot.

If true, someone is getting cut.

Browns are planning to sign OL Hjalte Froholdt to their 53-man roster off the Texans practice squad pending physical, per source. Cleveland looking to bolster OL depth sooner rather than later as it preps for a January run.

https://twitter.com/jjones9/status/1445429505879908354?s=20

Someone could be heading to IR, and it would not surprise me to see Wills be the one. The guy definitely seems to need a few weeks to recover. That's only 3 games, so the team is able to do so without the season-ending consequences of the past.

Your the one reading into things I said in context I understand we are just kicking it didn't I? Give it a rest, really.

Ah yes, I don't know why I overlooked that possible move. I was even thinking it as he hobbled off the field on Sunday.

When I read he needed (another) MRI, I immediately thought the worst. Re/additionally injuring that ankle could be really really bad.

Have there been any whispers on the results on that second MRI?

I think the earliest we'll find out is tomorrow (?).

https://www.si.com/nfl/browns/news/browns-reportedly-signing-froholt

Browns Reportedly Signing Hjalte Froholdt From Texans Practice Squad, Placing Nick Harris on IR

Browns Sign WR Lawrence Cager to Practice Squad

https://247sports.com/nfl/cleveland-browns/Article/browns-lawrence-cager-signed-172417874/

well, if The Dane works out, this is a fair swap.

"Froholdt began playing football in his native Denmark for the Svendborg Admirals. After spending his sophomore year as an exchange student at a high school in Warren, Ohio, he returned to Denmark and played for the Søllerød Gold Diggers during his junior year.[2] He then attended IMG Academy in Bradenton, Florida, his senior year before signing to play with the University of Arkansas.[3]"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hjalte_Froholdt

So, he's got a local connection, too!
Big dude, long reach. 6'5", 308lbs
Second Team All-SEC in 2018 with the Razorbacks
I like it.... perhaps he grows into Bitonio's replacement.

Imagine how much it would suck as a player to go from the Browns to the Texans right now.

Don't get me wrong. I am not looking to get rid of Berry and crew...lol I am just saying I am a little concerned we have a future void on the roster in those areas.

Hey, at least we are hitting our top picks and seem to do a good job on the waiver wire, so no, it isn't time to toss things to the junk heap.

Probably not much for a guy on the practice squad to a active roster. I think the pay difference and a chance to establish yourself would sooth things over.

I agree. LeCounte is a good player. Had some car not rammed him in a parking lot while on his more or less scooter, he might have found the bottom of the 1st round.

Nick Harris is going on the DL

Exactly.

In past years I would worry the idiots we had running the show would do something stupid all the time.

Now I assume they will do what makes the most sense 100% of the time.

I sleep better knowing this and it's heartening to me to see others express their confidence in our leadership as well.

My bad, I didn't mean to suggest you were saying to get rid of them.

I meant that if they're not worried about it, then I'm not worried about it. They've had an absolutely phenomenal success rate with Olinemen, in particular (from Berry to Callahan).

Which raises the question: How do we know that they are not worried about it?

Worried enough we just signed a player off of the Texans practice squad.

Maybe not that act so much, but we will see if Hariss' IR due to a hamstring issue turns in to a season ending issue.

A "good" player probably wouldn't go on to IR for the season at this point in the season, so we will see how that turns out.

The above comment is prefaced by it being a hamstring pull type injury and not something more serious. Even if it was a 6-7 week type injury I doubt a "good" player would be put up for the year with possibly 6-7 games left during what should probably be a playoff push.

They haven't invested in another center.

Maybe, maybe not. I think Hance and a few others might be viewed as such, but we haven't drafted or signed a traditional center.

I think we might see one on the draft board next year.

Peen, in season IR is only 3 weeks, not season ending. (they changed the rule)

I think he was talking in terms of if we see Harris disappear for the year and not come back that it would be indicative of how they feel.

The thing is, unless they're unsure of how they feel and just want to keep him through camp next year, I don't think Berry would have any issues at all with just waiving him and bringing in another guy if he thought he was better (as long as he fits the Cap). I truly don't believe Berry gets hung up on the ego thing of "he's my guy, so we're holding onto him". He knows he's going to whiff on some picks and expects that. These guys running our team are mature and intelligent; they're not the egomaniac children we've had in the past.

Maybe they have been looking but haven't found anybody that they like for the right price. Or perhaps they are planning to target center in free agency. Or perhaps they are happy with Harris' development.

Point is, we just don't know what they are thinking. Which is a good thing. in the past we have had too many leaks for my comfort.

Harris, outside of pre-season and stuff, has only filled in at guard (I think there was a brief couple plays where he had to come in for Tretter (vs Cinci last year?)). I think his play at guard is a data-point only, in that the main reason he's on the roster is to be Tretter's backup and replacement.

Just clarifying my stance.

I know. Let's see if he is ready to play or if we need to keep him on longer, again, or put him on the shelf.

If I remember the scouting report on him when we drafted him, it said that he was good at center at UW but below average at OG

I didn't even think Harris was ever considered a guard.

He played a couple games there at UW. Not sure but think that it was his freshman year. Regardless, he didn't do well at OG.

With the Browns he played some OG when he got the chance to play.

He was never considered an OG. He was always considered a center who could hopefully back up at OG.

j/c

Joe Jackson released...E Lee back on the 53.

I wonder-if/hope Odenigbo is the reason Joe got the axe. It'll be interesting to see if he gets back to our PS and the status of Porter Gustin.

Weird cut in a week where Garrett, Clowney and Takk are all dinged up...even if just a bit.

It used to be, a team could only bring one guy back, and they changed that too, iirc. during 2020 because of covid, and decided to bring it back for good, (so far) and not because covid, but because it worked, folks seemed to like it, and they didn't feel it was being abused. (unlimited number, I think is the current rule, can return after 3 weeks,... no, the unlimited number, I'm recalling is practice squad pull ups to the 53,
the returning from IR, iirc. is greater than 1, but I'm not sure if it's unlimited, .. or in the 5 ish range.)