IMO JOK will be great in the NFL. Every once in a awhile athletes come along that break the mold. It happens in all sports. Ali in boxing. Lebron etc.
JOK is a new breed. It was obvious when you watched him in college. He came to the Browns. He did the same things. His career is just begining. I am going to enjoy every minute of it.
I agree he might be a really good player, but I am not sure I would be mentioning him just yet with people like Ali and Lebron. You might as well add in the Babe, Wayne Gretsky, and Jack Nicklaus.
I think the comment might be more about the way JOK has the potential to change the way a position is played - rather than suggesting he's going to be a GOAT type player.
Interesting video to see some of those plays broken down - also interesting the stats quoted for Taki Taki ! More impressive than I would have guessed.
I think JOK is in the top 6 players someone would list of Players that have to step up and make a big play if the 2022 Browns are going to win a tough game. or rather, of players, that if One Single Play changed the game so that the Browns won, the player who made that play would most likely be named what. ^ And on that list, I think JOK would be in the top 6, or at least top I3.
Before I get to JOK, I want to say something about Goodson. I don't think he was a good LBer, but the guy who did the video ignored something. Goodson's first look in that coverage package was to protect against someone flashing in his immediate area and while our DB had nice coverage, I thought Goodson did what he was supposed to do. However, he was a little slow once he started in pursuit.
JOK: I was really impressed w/him last year. He flashes on the screen. Very quick. Explosive. Great lateral quickness. Takes good angles. Not the strongest guy, but he can slip blockers and get guys down when they have the ball. It's early, but I see him as a guy who is going to be a very good player for quite some time and he will get more recognition if the Browns find more success.
...Goodson's first look in that coverage package was to protect against someone flashing in his immediate area and while our DB had nice coverage, I thought Goodson did what he was supposed to do. However, he was a little slow once he started in pursuit.
Interesting insight there...the author said BJG was a little late in recognition...when in reality he was doing his job. The "slow in pursuit" was not only undeniable...but painful.
Yeah, the replay shows how the one WR to the left of the formation crosses Goodson's area. I think it was Hardman, but not sure. I get Goodson's first read. But, you are dead on that it was painful to watch how slow Goodson was to the ball.
Btw......I'm not knocking the guy who put this video together. He did a very nice job.
Back to JOK. I didn't realize he had a heart condition or maybe I just forgot about it. Maybe that explains why he slipped to us. He was a great value at where we got him. I think he is going to be a fantastic player.
I wish knew how to get coaches tape and then do breakdowns.
I know how to breakdown plays. I don't how to do it with tape and then be able to post it.
JOK is just fun to watch. He is on his toes like a tennis player waiting for a serve. He sees the play and then cuts it off. He does it explosively.
When he drops into coverage. He flips his hips like a db and he is on the guy.
When he tackles. He stops the guy right there.
When I watch a game most all the time I am alone. I rarely get to do it with my son. So, I watch a play rewind it and watch again. Because tv film is limited sometimes it hard to see what I want to see. On defense you can only see so far. Usually JOK is in the camera field so I can see him.
I find myself often just saying out loud. "Damn." "He cut that play down." Some players you like their game. Chubb and Hunt are also guys I love to watch.
Once the roster is set it will be time to dig into more about position depth.
D'Qwell Jackson was on the local radio being interviewed.
He said DW taking the the offense to the Bahamas was some jester showing leadership and team building. He was asked about the linebackers.
He stated that JOK will be one of the best in the game very soon. That he will have his own role when they figure how to use all his skills.
It is interesting to listen to the comments made about JOK from teammates ever since he came to the Browns. You can not fool other players when you practice with them everyday.
Every player I have heard says he is the real deal.
Jackson hasn't played for the Browns since 2014 and has never been a team mate of JOK or even played under the same coaches in the same system. Much like yourself I think JOK has the potential to be great.
Sorry, it's just that you called them ream mates in your post above.
Originally Posted by PitDAWG
Sorry, it's just that you called them ream mates in your post above.
Originally Posted by bonefish
It was his observations of JOK given when asked in an interview.
I mentioned it because he played linebacker and that is all.
Not to speak for him, but I read it as each was a separate statement. Jackson spoke about seeing him play, the team mates comment was about actual comments from JOK teammates from last year. Unless I read it wrong.
LOL, me too. I was wondering if Watson was playing a joke on his teammates by saying he was taking them to the Bahamas. Imagine the uproar that would have created? LOL
LOL, me too. I was wondering if Watson was playing a joke on his teammates by saying he was taking them to the Bahamas. Imagine the uproar that would have created? LOL
Those guys all hanging out and working together is great news. Watson is a great QB, and a true team leader. This time spent together will build a bond amongst the players, plus it is a good time to get used to how each guy operates. I am jacked about what we are going to see with this offense this year.
I am in good shape. Never spent a night in a hospital. I am not a any medication.
But damn I find myself making mistakes that I have never made especially writing. Spelling damn, I will proof something and leave words out that I thought but never typed.
I might be wrong, but I think that ranking might have been after 4 games. I just went to PFF and looked-up player grades for linebackers. Micah Parsons had the best overall grade. With that said, JOK was ranked 9th overall of ALL LBers, and that includes veterans. His overall grade is over 78, which is very good.
I found this from PFF as part of another article that was talking about how Newsome and JOK made PFF's all-rookie team. This excerpt is what PFF had to say about the duo.
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Newsome was excellent in single coverage this season for the Browns. He allowed just 14 receptions on 31 single-coverage targets as a rookie and was PFF’s highest-graded rookie cornerback on those targets. Cleveland has a promising young cornerback tandem to build around between Newsome and fellow former first-round selection Denzel Ward.
But the speed JOK plays with, and his ability to handle a wider variety of coverage assignments than your average linebacker, has made an immediate positive impact on Cleveland’s defense. PFF charted Owusu-Koramoah with just 168 passing yards allowed into his coverage on 300 coverage snaps this season. That rate of 0.56 yards allowed per snap ranked third among off-ball linebackers with at least 250 coverage snaps during the regular season.
Boy Bone getting a lot of flack on a simple post... I didn't think twice and read it as GESTURE Any ways one thing for sure JOK is a very special LB he has GREAT INSTINCT combined with Explosion and amazing game day speed. We got a winner for sure. Cap/Vers One of the videos I watched recently said that he fell to us due to some Chatter out there about a Heart Condition and that is why he dropped.
I'm wondering if we were the ones who put that rumor out there so we would get him...lol
The D with Taven, Garrett and Clowney - man I hate to be redundant but with NO TRADE we would have had Jordan Davis to add in there. Actually a DL of Best ever proportions add in our formidable DBs and then JOK at LB. Why I didn't like the Trade it had nothing to do with Baker it had to do with us building a DYNASTY with a defense that wins championships. Done with 3 years of first round picks.
Boy Bone getting a lot of flack on a simple post... I didn't think twice and read it as GESTURE
I wasn't trying to be mean. I just thought it was funny given the context of Watson being involved in the sentence. But bone.....if I offended you by laughing, I sincerely apolotize. I wasn't making fun. Hell, I still struggle on occasion when to effect or affect.
No need to explain...and it had nothing to do with ONE poster it was the collective response to Bones post. No biggie. Did you hear about the bogus rumors about a heart condition???
I figured it out. As I was scrolling down the page I saw "jester" the poster's name. I came to the spot to type gesture and jester was in my mind.
When I typed it even though I was looking at "jester" I was thinking gesture. Oh well 74 years on the planet your mind plays tricks on you.
We can only imagine Davis. I have high hopes for Perrion. Playing next to Myles or Clowney will give Perrion some space to attack guards. Perrion is quick. I think we will see some pressure from DT.
We have enough at tackle to keep guys fresh. We will be very good at all three levels. Woods should be happy. I think we have the personnel to execute his vision for the defense.
Get your rush from the front four. Have linebackers who can play in space. The secondary is interchangeable from corner to corner and safety to safety. Delpit and JOK can be true rovers. Not limited to traditional roles of safety and OLB.
Didn’t know who we was until we drafted him. Watched some videos, saw him in the introductory PC and became grateful we have him. Seemed mature and confident. His play as a rookie was very encouraging.
I think the Troy P. comparison is valid, he’s fast, aware, instinctive and a good tackler. He will be a defensive captain soon, might be our new favourite fella in a few months.
Very quick. Explosive. Great lateral quickness. Takes good angles.
One other aspect that I've noticed: he can stick a tackle. In many of the video examples I've seen (including this one), he does it right- he tackles through the runner, and wraps him up. No YAC in these tackles. That is huge, because many times he's doing it in space, where a missed tackle could lead to a backbreaker big play. This aspect of D play has dogged Browns defenses for decades.
He really does look like the kind of player who could redefine the position. It will be interesting to see how DC's try to handle him, now that there's a whole season of tape on him. I can't imagine what wrinkles they might try, since he seems to break their schemes by simply playing unconventionally with that freakish combo of athleticism and instinct of his.
I really think he could be the vanguard of a next generation of NFL LB's: lighter, faster/quicker, more slippery, more reactive, less stack & shred- the next step as the game evolves. It only makes sense: the game is much faster now. Every position must evolve as the game changes. As much as I love him and appreciate all he did for us, I believe that Clay Matthews would probably be an average+ player in today's game... it has changed that much since his time in the league.
JOK is one of those players I want to watch from draft to retirement. He intrigues me that much.
I could be way off on this one, but I see similarities between JOK and Derwin James. I know they play different positions, but JOK has the size of a large safety rather than a Devin White type of LBer. They remind me of each other because they are both good against the run w/their decisiveness, angles, slipping blockers, and speed. In coverage, both have good hips which allows them to turn and run w/receivers and both can cover quite a bit of ground in coverage.
Jeremiah was a rookie last year. He missed some time. Woods fed him slowing. He did not want to overwhelm him.
This season I believe we will see JOK really impact games. He will get int's. Make key stops and get sacks.
He will become more confident inside the scheme. He will be loose and play the way he can.
I am glad Walker was brought back. I think Taki has grown. Phillips is an interesting player. He has length and does alright in space. Still a young player who has potential and is developing. I like our linebackers. IMO we will see a better overall performance from the group.
I'd like to see Malcomb Smith come back. I know he's not-young...but I thought he was considerably more-effective than was Walker. Walker can't cover...he's not a thumper...outside of interviews, I can't think of anything he does well. I'm with you on Philips...I think he can be quite good. Taki is pretty good at the limited role we need him in. JOK is a stud...I'd like him to put on 10 lbs or so though. I think he can carry that - and more - with his talents and instincts. We need Fields to grow into a viable backup.
Not really related to football, but your comment reminded me of those old Chuck Norris jokes.
Westion, was ChucK Norris older today, than the 6 Flags dancing bus guy? Chuck Norris is 82 years old today. The 6 Flags dancing bus guy, Born in I975 is 46? so Chuck Norris has always been 36 years older than the actor who portrayed th3 6 flags dancing bus guy. Now, the 6 flags guy was pretending to be an old man needing a cane to walk, well, Chuck Norris is 82. Chuck Norris doesn't wear leather, Leather clings to him for protection. Chuck Norris once kicked a schoolbus, and that's how the Utah community was established. What does this have to do with JOK? It doesn't, thank you. Sione Taki Taki should hope to get some playing time from A. Walker, imo. so there's that.
