We need to get much better at DT, maybe another receiver with explosiveness. The thought of bringing in Hopkins is intriguing; he and Amari could be a big duel-threat. But Bell and Woods, perhaps even Schwartz, will get another shot.
I hope we throw money at a big-time DT, or two of them, really. Who is out there in FA we might covet? (keeping in mind we will have a new DC).
It's a passing league 1st but KS and Berry didn't get the memo. Hence why they haven't exactly drafted elite talents out of college Who was the LAST drafted WR by the Browns that amassed 1000 yds in a season and 9 or more TDs?
I don't know how I feel about Hopkins. He will be 31 next season and his base salary will be near $20M, same as Cooper. That is quite a lot for two WRs. I think it would be a better combo than Landry/Beckham but still not keen about allocating that much money. Maybe they intend to restructure Cooper and could do something with Hopkins, but many that's a lot of money for Hopkins at his age, IMO.
In terms of WRs, I do agree with the general sentiment that a speed WR/ deep threat would be ideal. Schwartz has not worked out so far.
One name I'd like to see the Browns look into would be Mecole Hardman. He'll be a FA and is one of the fastest WRs in the game. Has been inconsistent but with the Chiefs was pretty productive and flashed at times, granted due in part to Mahomes. He's 24 (will be 25 next season) won't cost an arm and a leg, and could complement Cooper and let DPJ continue to develop. I think there is some upside here.
Cap is an issue. if Berry can work some cap magic Hopkins would be nice for 2 years. but probably not at that price. I expect DT to be addressed in the draft but it would be nice to add Da'Ron Payne via FA.
No clue what to expect at LB. Do we kick the tires on Walker and hope to get a healthy year? Bring back Jones at a price cut?
I do not think we can add any more than one piece via FA due to the cap.
It really isn't. Easy transactions will take place to free up plenty of cash.
I could be wrong, but I don't see Berry investing a ton of money in the LB position. I think they would like to bring Walker back and have a healthy JOK. From there maybe a piece or two. I see this FO valuing other position group far above the LB unit.
Don't be surprised if the Berry takes a extensive look at a pair Of Bengals in Jessie Bates and Germaine Pratt. Bates was franchised and they simply don't have the luxury To resign him to top tier money Pratt won't be cheap either. He is a PFF top 5 rated LB. Both players are notorious for creating turnovers and being Run stoppers
In terms of WRs, I do agree with the general sentiment that a speed WR/ deep threat would be ideal. Schwartz has not worked out so far.
One name I'd like to see the Browns look into would be Mecole Hardman. He'll be a FA and is one of the fastest WRs in the game. Has been inconsistent but with the Chiefs was pretty productive and flashed at times, granted due in part to Mahomes. He's 24 (will be 25 next season) won't cost an arm and a leg, and could complement Cooper and let DPJ continue to develop. I think there is some upside here.
Just a thought.
I agree with a speed guy. I also think we need one who is a quick twitch receiver, if the speed guy isn't that. Think a guy like jarvis. Not so much a deep threat but a guy who can get open quickly over the short and intermediate routes.
Considering all factors this year free agency and trades will be super important.
Starting in the second round and then on down through the draft rounds it is not realistic to count on real impactful contributions from draft picks in their rookie season.
We are now a veteran team with key starters in place.
We need free agency and possible trades to fill out the starters on this team.
Once the DC is in place and whatever coaching changes that could follow. Berry needs to go hunting armed with what KS and the staff plan for scheme changes.
The draft for the most part will be players we hope to develop.
Let's take a look at some FA WRs. It's not an inspiring list.
Jakobi Meyers---NE [Good slot receiver and some outside production] JuJu Smith-Schuster---KC [Tough guy] Mercole Hardman---KC [Speed] Parris Campbell---Indy [Injure a lot, but talented] DJ Chark [Expensive] Sterling Shephard---[Coming off major injury] Olamide Zaccheaus---Atlanta [Fast, short, former RB in college]
I don't know how I feel about Hopkins. He will be 31 next season and his base salary will be near $20M, same as Cooper. That is quite a lot for two WRs. I think it would be a better combo than Landry/Beckham but still not keen about allocating that much money. Maybe they intend to restructure Cooper and could do something with Hopkins, but many that's a lot of money for Hopkins at his age, IMO.
Not to mention the Cardinals will want a 1st round pick for him, which the Browns do not have, or multiple mid round picks, which would I do not see Berry parting for a 31 year old WR and has dealt with injuries the past two seasons.
I agree that Mecole Hardman could be interesting.
Be interesting to see how healthy he is when off season workouts begin, but I believe the Browns envisioned a bigger role for Jakeem Grant than just returns duties prior to his injuries.
Either way, the Browns absolutely have to upgrade the WR position this offseason.
I think D-Hop wants to rework his contract to get even more money. That is why I didn't list him.
Regarding the DIs, I pretty much agree w/you about Washington wanting to keep Payne, but they have a lot of money tied up in that DL.
Here is a little infor from other DIs from the list I posted earlier.
16. DI DALVIN TOMLINSON, MINNESOTA VIKINGS Tomlinson has been shuffled around on the interior after playing mostly nose tackle with the New York Giants to start his career, with Minnesota lining him up more as a three-technique when playing alongside Michael Pierce (in 2021) or Harrison Phillips. Tomlinson has never missed more than five tackles in a season, and his 83.0 run-defense grade since 2017 is a top-16 mark at the position.
While Tomlinson missed Weeks 9-12 due to injury, he managed to post a career-best 79.1 pass-rush grade and a sixth straight season to start his career grading above 74.0 overall. He’s a better fit as a zero- or one-technique, with his 55 tackles for loss or no gain since 2017 the third-most among interior players and with his pass-rush upside better deployed as an added benefit but not the primary feature.
21. DI DRE'MONT JONES, DENVER BRONCOS Jones still has room to round out his game, but the value of an interior pass rusher has never been more apparent than during the 2022 season, and that’s exactly where Jones wins. Since he entered the league in 2019, Jones’ 138 quarterback pressures are tied for the 19th most among interior defenders, with his 14.5% pass-rush win rate ranking 11th best over the span.
Jones set career highs in snaps played, quarterback pressures and stops this season. Players with his skill set don’t hit free agency too often, and teams looking for a 3-4 defensive end will be very interested in bringing him aboard this March.
24. DI ZACH ALLEN, ARIZONA CARDINALS Allen has taken advantage of mentorship from future first-ballot Hall of Famer J.J. Watt early in his career, and he took a big leap in 2022. Allen earned his first run-defense grade above 60.0 and first pass-rush grade above 70.0, with a career-best 35 quarterback pressures and 8.3% pressure rate.
Allen could be a big benefactor of the pending market explosion among interior defenders, though he will land in the second or third tier of the position group.
48. DI DAVID ONYEMATA, NEW ORLEANS SAINTS Onyemata started the 2022 season serving a six-game suspension after testing positive for a performance-enhancing substance, and it’s fair to wonder if that had something to do with his 2020-21 season grades both being over 80.0 before earning his 64.0 mark in 2022. Nevertheless, Onyemata continued to be a very effective pass rusher from the interior, racking up 35 quarterback pressures. Over the past three seasons, Onyemata’s 11.4% pressure percentage ranks 11th among interior defenders, and he was still just shy of 10% in 2022. Onyemata turned 30 years old this season but still has some good football left in him.
It would be amazing if we could land DHop. Don't really care about the salary either. Maybe they'll take a 5th and JJIII.
He's 30, already. I would be surprised if we went after him.
I know, I know. I haven't watched the Cards much, but the numbers look like he's on the decline as well.
It won't happen for only one reason though -- trade compensation. Not salary and not because he's 30. He's an all-time great because he's professional, runs great routes, has a huge catch radius... and the strongest hands in the history of WRs. In his three years with Watson on the roster, 315 rec, over 5000yds, 31TD. I know it's easy to play turn-back-the-clock, but the synergy would be game 1, imo.
Futile discussion though, someone will overpay a bit, and it won't be us.
We won't be bringing Clowney back, so we probably need to bring in a DE/Edge guy, as Thomas and Winovich are just rotational guys. A lot will depend on what DC we hire, but here a few guys that potentially will be available.
Marcus Davenport----Saints [very good, but often injured. 26 years old, made about $3.5 million last year.]
Melvin Ingram---Dolphins [cheap, old, still productive.]
Justin Houston---Ravens [see Ingram's comments.]
Brandon Graham---Eagles [old, productive, very expensive.]
Chales Omenihu---49ers [good pass rusher, not good against run, versatile.]
Clelin Ferrell---Raiders [1st round bust, but played well after getting back into lineup.]
Carlos Dunlap---Chiefs [old, not expensive, could be part of rotation.]
The Browns aren't exactly loaded with cap space (projected $1.9M), and they're also short on ammunition after selling the farm for QB Deshaun Watson. But they've got a clear need for better depth behind Amari Cooper out wide, and Kevin Stefanski's leash may not be long for growing the passing offense with Watson, who spent four years throwing downfield strikes to Hopkins during their time in Houston.
Update: The Browns cap space currently sits at ($9,174,818)
The Browns aren't exactly loaded with cap space (projected $1.9M), and they're also short on ammunition after selling the farm for QB Deshaun Watson. But they've got a clear need for better depth behind Amari Cooper out wide, and Kevin Stefanski's leash may not be long for growing the passing offense with Watson, who spent four years throwing downfield strikes to Hopkins during their time in Houston.
Update: The Browns cap space currently sits at ($9,174,818)
Thank goodness we don't have to sign a first rounder - frees up some extra cap space !
Obviously the cap space is a moving target and can be manipulated and Berry seems good at it - but at the end of the day there is a bubble in the wall paper and it gets moved, not eliminated. The idea that you can sign a guy to a $1/4 Billion contract and it doesn't have any impact on future cap space and the money available for free agents etc seems odd to me. I mean if is such a non-issue why the hell doesn't Baltimore just pay Lamar $300 million and be done with it?
The Browns aren't exactly loaded with cap space (projected $1.9M), and they're also short on ammunition after selling the farm for QB Deshaun Watson. But they've got a clear need for better depth behind Amari Cooper out wide, and Kevin Stefanski's leash may not be long for growing the passing offense with Watson, who spent four years throwing downfield strikes to Hopkins during their time in Houston.
Update: The Browns cap space currently sits at ($9,174,818)
Does this projection include the projected salary cap increase or is it just taking the current cap and project what space is available? Usually, when the league starts their fiscal year, they adjust the cap. There could be more space coming yet. I would also predict a few renegotiations that would free up some additional space and cuts like maybe John Johnson 3 that could save 12M. Before it is all said and done the Browns will probably end up between 20 and 30M to spend.
We were talking about the Browns salary cap in the Browns News and Notes thread. And that is fine. But, it would be nice to keep that talk in this thread and talk about which players we may to "Upgrade" the roster in this one.
The cap space shown is with the projected cap space for 2023. The cap space for 2022 was 208.2M. The project cap space for 2023 is 225M an 8% increase of 16.8M. From 2013 to 2020, the cap had been growing at a pace of $10.74 million a year. So, a cap in the $220 million range next season would mark a return to that growth rate so 225M was used. For the Browns, 225M plus the carryover of $27,593,789 gives the total of $252,593,789 in team salary cap availability. As it stands today, the Browns cap liability for 2023 is $261,768,607 leaving the current cap space at ($9,174,818).
Because of all the money Berry has put into the prorated bonus is now coming back to show in the cap. The Browns had almost 30M in excess cap but in 2023:
Garrett cap number in 2022 - $12,961,120_______2023 cap number - $29,176,120
Watson cap number in 2022 - $9,395,500________2023 cap number - $54,993,000
Two players - increased cap number by year over year by $61,812,500 which eats up the entire cap carryover of $27,593,789 plus a whole lot more.
I have learned that if there is one poster who most understands the cap space and the salary cap it's you.
Some people just aren't as accepting of anything less than positive news. Often times it's facts be damned. Of course Berry can once again restructure contracts to manipulate the cap this coming season. But the results of that would simply kick the can down the road a bit. At some point the bill comes due.
Thanks Pit, I have a Doctorate in Business Administration, so I have a background dealing in finance - besides, helps keep the mind sharp in my retirement.
I want as a FA DT, Isaiah Buggs. Watched him play in Detroit’s last game, and he looked good to me. He’s 26, was drafted by the Steelers in 2019, played at Alabama. He’s 6’3” 295lbs. He was on a 1 year with Detroit and wont cost alot.
iluv mentioned Bates and Germaine Pratt from the Bengals earlier. Bates will be really expensive. Pratt is a guy who could be on our radar.
LB GERMAINE PRATT, CINCINNATI BENGALS With both Bengals starting safeties in Jessie Bates III and Vonn Bell pending free agents, a big extension for wide receiver Tee Higgins likely in play and fellow off-ball linebacker Logan Wilson also eligible for an extension after the season, it’s possible Pratt hits the market even after a career year.
Pratt’s 90.1 coverage grade was the best mark in the NFL. He missed just two tackles in coverage and allowed only four explosive receptions. Pratt didn’t miss many tackles as a run defender, either, whiffing on just 5.9% of opportunities after three straight seasons above 10% to start his career. Last but certainly not least, Pratt also peaked at the right time, with his 90.1 overall grade since Week 8 the top mark among linebackers.
The draft might be the way to go for a WR. It's a weaker class than the previous few years, bu there is talent that should be available to us. Here are a few guys.
Jalen Hyatt, Tennessee. Had a great season for the Volunteers. He had 67 receptions for 1,267 yards this season. That was 4th best overall. His 15 TDs tied for first overall. Won the Biletnikoff Award last week. Had over 200 yards and 5 TDs against Alabama. Extremely fast. Just runs by guys. Did not play against Man Press very much, so it is unknown if he will be able to run routes against better competition.
Jaxon Smith Najigba, The Ohio State University. Was a preseason Heisman candidate after leading the Buckeyes in catches and yards on a team that had first round picks, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. Was hurt almost all year and that will lead to his stock falling. Doesn't possess elite speed, but catches a lot of deep passes. Great hands, expert route runner. His game last year in the Rose Bowl was one of the best ever. Some say he will go in the first round. PFF has him slipping to the 2nd. He will probably work out of the slot.
Rome Odunze, Washington. Had a really good year. Tall at 6'3". Good speed down the field. Explosive after the catch. Strong hands. Sometimes, he catches the ball w/his body. Quick in tight spaces, but not a quick twitch athlete.
I didn’t know Hopkins was 30, nor the cost it’d take to get him. Yeah forget that idea.
We DO need a Chase-type receiver, someone who can keep a D honest and open holes in the secondary. Maybe Woods or Bell will make big leaps in year 2. Maybe they won’t. Recovers usually improve their 2nd season, it’s a big jump for them, they either get better or they become just another scrub.
The draft might be the way to go for a WR. It's a weaker class than the previous few years, bu there is talent that should be available to us. Here are a few guys.
Jalen Hyatt, Tennessee. Had a great season for the Volunteers. He had 67 receptions for 1,267 yards this season. That was 4th best overall. His 15 TDs tied for first overall. Won the Biletnikoff Award last week. Had over 200 yards and 5 TDs against Alabama. Extremely fast. Just runs by guys. Did not play against Man Press very much, so it is unknown if he will be able to run routes against better competition.
Jaxon Smith Najigba, The Ohio State University. Was a preseason Heisman candidate after leading the Buckeyes in catches and yards on a team that had first round picks, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. Was hurt almost all year and that will lead to his stock falling. Doesn't possess elite speed, but catches a lot of deep passes. Great hands, expert route runner. His game last year in the Rose Bowl was one of the best ever. Some say he will go in the first round. PFF has him slipping to the 2nd. He will probably work out of the slot.
Rome Odunze, Washington. Had a really good year. Tall at 6'3". Good speed down the field. Explosive after the catch. Strong hands. Sometimes, he catches the ball w/his body. Quick in tight spaces, but not a quick twitch athlete.
"Jaxon Smith Najigba, The Ohio State University. Was a preseason Heisman candidate after leading the Buckeyes in catches and yards on a team that had first round picks, Chris Olave and Garrett Wilson. Was hurt almost all year and that will lead to his stock falling. Doesn't possess elite speed, but catches a lot of deep passes. Great hands, expert route runner. His game last year in the Rose Bowl was one of the best ever. Some say he will go in the first round. PFF has him slipping to the 2nd. He will probably work out of the slot."
I would be ecstatic to draft JSN. He is special. I am biased as a Buckeye fan, but this guy is the real deal. His Rose Bowl performance was unreal, but we was lights out all season in 2021.
NFL Cap $225m Currently Cap $1,940,660 (inc rollover)
JJ3 June 1st Cut +$9.75m Watson Restructure +$35,936,000
AJ Green ERFA -~$2.629m Stille ERFA -$0.87m 8 Draft Picks -~$8m
Cap Space $36,127,660đź’° (51/53 players)
Bone, I didn't say that cap couldn't be created but again you're talking about kicking the can down the road with Watson and JJ3.
A post June 1st cut would indeed save the Browns 9.75M in cap this year. What you are not telling though is what the cap hit is for JJ3 in future years because of the prorated bonuses and post June 1 cut and dead money.
JJ3 Cap Costs 2023 - 3.75M 2024 - 8.85M 2025 - 5.10M Dead Money 2026 - 1.35M Dead Money All this has to count against the cap even though JJ3 will be gone.
Restructuring Watson's salary again will indeed save the Browns 35.936M but again, you're not telling the whole story.
Watson Cap Costs with another restructure 2023 - 19.057M 2024 - 63.997M 2025 - 63.997M 2026 - 63.997M 2027 -_ 8.984M - Void Year
In this scenario, the Browns will have around 100M in cap charges in 2024 for just Watson and Garrett.
Would love D-Hop... he's a great WR and has chemistry with Watson already... not sure we could get him but he'd be a great add on the offensive side...
He's trying to hijack the thread. I'm pretty sure lamp wanted this thread to be about football players and not about the salary cap. People make a big deal about the cap, but it never seems to be a factor in today's NFL.
What do you think about any of the college WRs I wrote about?
Here is a link about the top WRs [in their estimation] from a site most of us have visited before. Whether you agree w/their rankings or not, there is still a lot of useful information to examine.
No -one is trying to hi-jack the thread. We have limited draft picks and our ability to sign top/quality free agents is directly tied to the Browns cap space ... now and in the future. Draft picks and Free Agents signings are the only way this team is going to upgrade, which is the topic of the thread.
Looking at the link you posted - not sure who Jack Duffin is or what his expertise is, but he and Steve essentially agree. Here is another of his posts, note the last bullet point.
- Same Money - Same Years - Player Paid Up Front - Short Term Cap Benefit [u]- Future Cap Costs Rise[/u]
The way I read Steve's post was that he was simply showing how restructuring contracts simple moves a bigger burden on the cap down the road. I think this notion that the Cap is not a factor for any team is a bit fanciful - if it wasn't a factor, every team would pay top dollar for every top player.
The salary cap is being discussed in the Browns News and Notes thread. Why do we need multiple threads on that topic other than to throw more shade at the Browns? Who the hell watches football for the salary cap. Yes, the money is a factor, but people follow football because of the players.
The salary cap is being discussed in the Browns News and Notes thread. Why do we need multiple threads on that topic other than to throw more shade at the Browns? Who the hell watches football for the salary cap. Yes, the money is a factor, but people follow football because of the players.
And you can't sign the players without the available salary cap...the connection is ridiculously obvious. You really need to start your own message board.
That is understandable. I brought up the draft for WRs for a reason. Hear me out for a minute. The price tag for FA WRs went through the roof last year. Hill is getting $30 million. Adams $28 million. Cupp at $26.7 million. AJ Brown @ $25 million. Metcalf got $24 million. Deebo got $23,850 million. McLauren got $22,788 million. I could go on and on.
Getting a WR or two on rookie contracts might be a wise decision.
NFL Cap $225m Currently Cap $1,940,660 (inc rollover)
JJ3 June 1st Cut +$9.75m Watson Restructure +$35,936,000
AJ Green ERFA -~$2.629m Stille ERFA -$0.87m 8 Draft Picks -~$8m
Cap Space $36,127,660đź’° (51/53 players)
I disagree with Jack Duffin on the JJIII June 1st cut designation. I think they keep him his final year rather than create a hole on defense for the new DC. They create cap space elsewhere.
I absolutely expect Berry to do the following in the offseason:
Restructure Watson Restructure Garrett
In 2024 what will likely happen:
Restructure Watson Restructure/Restructure and extend or trade Chubb. There is next to a 0% chance Berry has a RB with a $16.2M cap hit. Restructure Ward
The salary cap will never prohibit Berry from signing a player they want to add the team.
I disagree with Jack Duffin on the JJIII June 1st cut designation. I think they keep him his final year rather than create a hole on defense for the new DC.
I think we might need more FAs on the defensive side of the ball, especially if we hire Flores. Combine that w/the fact that NFL FA WRs has skyrocketed, it might make sense for the Browns to turn to the draft for WRs. We might invest multiple picks in the position. Berry has certainly continued to invest in CBs. It could be similar w/WRs in the next couple of years.
I think it is doable. We could pick one of the guys who are projected to go in Rounds 1 or 2 at 43 and another in round 4. Maybe a take a shot in the dark in round 6 or 7, much like we did w/DPJ a short time back.
First of all, the cap in itself has a huge bearing on the Browns ability to upgrade. You can try to ignore it but it's relevant and there's nothing you can say or do to change that fact. If fact, IMHO, the cap has 100% more to do with the topic "Off-season upgrades" than a post spewing hatred and what a person can and cannot post.
Another post stated: "The salary cap is being discussed in the Browns News and Notes thread. Why do we need multiple threads on that topic other than to throw more shade at the Browns? Who the hell watches football for the salary cap. Yes, the money is a factor, but people follow football because of the players."
How do the Browns get those players if they don't have the cap space?
I'll try to simplify this cap issue:
The 2023 cap should be right around 225M which is around a 14% increase in cap but could be less since the normal increase is usually around 10%. The Browns have 27,587,123 in salary cap carryover from 2022 giving them today, $252,587,123 to spend on the roster in 2023. Before free agency, before any trades, before the draft - the Browns currently have Total Liabilities of $261,768,607 for 2023. Simple math would tell you that currently, the Browns are over the cap for 2023 by $9,181,484 before Berry does anything for 2023.
Now the talk of restructuring Watson again will certainly free up some much-needed cap for 2023. If Berry goes that route again, the actual amount of freed up cap will give the Browns $24,508,516 to make some player additions through FA, trades, and the draft. No brainer, right? Berry is a wizard, and all this cap talk is about nothing, right?
In 2024, the cap is estimated to be about 256M, another 14% increase in the cap for every team (could be less). Before we add in the cap charges for any FA's, trades, or draft picks in either 2023 or 2024, the Browns total liabilities for currently rostered players under contract for 2024 including exercising Wills 5th year option is $294,471,171. That means the Browns would enter next off season at a minimum of $38,471,171 over the cap which doesn't include the cap costs for players the Browns acquired from FA, trades, or the draft in 2023. They will also have a QB hitting them with a yearly cap hit of almost 67M per season by kicking the can down the road.
Cap hell is coming whether you want to believe it or not. The Browns are currently 27th in available cap for 2023 and it will only get worse from here.
I think it is doable. We could pick one of the guys who are projected to go in Rounds 1 or 2 at 43 and another in round 4. Maybe a take a shot in the dark in round 6 or 7, much like we did w/DPJ a short time back.
I wonder what the Browns think of Woods?
That was my next question. 5 grabs on 10 targets for 45yds on the season. I expected more of a look-see, especially since we also had to make a decision on whether to extend DPJ this year. Maybe DPJ made that decision easy and Woods fell back into 'project' status.
I expect big things from DPJ this season. Strong hands, nice catch radius, fights for the ball. Seems like the kind of WR Watson would love to put at the top of his 'throw this guy open' list.
Yes, we have to keep DPJ. I have no idea about Woods. He looked the part, but like you said, he did not get many opportunities. I could be wrong, but I think using the draft to upgrade our WR room is the thing to do because the FA WR market is out of control. I'd rather spend on defensive free agents this year.
Only someone wishing to be in control of the content would try to limit the discussion to what he wants to talk about by degrading those wishing to expand the conversation. It's only obvious that salary cap implications are directly connected to the upgrades and players you can afford to sign.
One spot that we don't talk about too much is Free Safety. If we hire Flores, we would go more w/one deep safety instead of two deep. I really don't know if JJ III is capable of being a true FS. It didn't appear that he was, but I'm not sure. If we target a true FS due to that position demanding that they cover a lot of ground, there are guys like Jordan Poyer, Jimmy Ward, and Adrian Amos available. Poyer is almost 32, Ward is 31, and Amos will be 30 at some point during the season. All three are making $9 million or more.
A guy to keep an eye on might be Chauncy Gardner-Johnson from Philly. He was traded there last year from NO. He was a slot corner for the Saints, but mostly played S this year for the Eagles. He tied for the league lead in interceptions despite missing 5 games. He returned last week and we might want to keep an eye on him during the playoffs.
One spot that we don't talk about too much is Free Safety. If we hire Flores, we would go more w/one deep safety instead of two deep. I really don't know if JJ III is capable of being a true FS. It didn't appear that he was, but I'm not sure. If we target a true FS due to that position demanding that they cover a lot of ground, there are guys like Jordan Poyer, Jimmy Ward, and Adrian Amos available. Poyer is almost 32, Ward is 31, and Amos will be 30 at some point during the season. All three are making $9 million or more.
A guy to keep an eye on might be Chauncy Gardner-Johnson from Philly. He was traded there last year from NO. He was a slot corner for the Saints, but mostly played S this year for the Eagles. He tied for the league lead in interceptions despite missing 5 games. He returned last week and we might want to keep an eye on him during the playoffs.
Didnt Flores want to get rid of Fitzpatrick? That might show us how he views the S spot
Not keeping Gipson angered me back in the day. And I think almost everyone thought Poyer sucked. The guy leaves and has been one the very best safeties in the league for a long time now. Crazy!
Not keeping Gipson angered me back in the day. And I think almost everyone thought Poyer sucked. The guy leaves and has been one the very best safeties in the league for a long time now. Crazy!
I agree. I thought both were sufficient for us too
Who could the Browns target in free agency to change defensive woes?
Jacob Roach January 15, 2023 2:27 pm ET
The Cleveland Browns are currently searching for a new defensive coordinator after firing Joe Woods. But a coaching change is not all that the team needs to change to improve the defense. They struggled mightily from the defensive tackle position and likely need to overhaul that group. On top of that, the team still does not have a true deep free safety on the roster.
The team will attempt to add some long-term pieces in the draft they could look to take some major swings in free agency. There are players that the team will have a shot at that could truly help this team immediately.
A look at four defensive free agents the Browns should target this offseason.
The team absolutely needs an upgrade at the defensive tackle position if they want to have any chance to be a good unit. Sheldon Rankins hasn’t played up to the level that the Saints expected when drafting him 12th overall in 2016. Though not a superstar Rankins is a good player that can make plays in both phases of the game defensively.
At 6-foot-2 and 305 pounds Rankins isn’t the type of player that is easily moved in the run game. He anchors the middle of the line well and absorbs blocks to make sure the linebackers behind him are kept clean. Rankins would instantly be the best defensive tackle on the roster if the team signed him.
Arden Key, DE, Jacksonville Jaguars
Arden Key would be a nice addition to the defensive line playing opposite Myles Garrett. Giving Key more favorable matchups while Garrett draws double teams could lead to him putting it all together. Key has 11.5 sacks and 80 quarterback hits in the past two seasons. Key is explosive off the line and has a great blend of speed and power pass-rushing moves. He signed a minimum salary with the Jaguars and would likely be a cost-effective upgrade for the Browns.
Jordan Poyer, S, Buffalo Bills
The Browns could pursue a reunion with safety Jordan Poyer to try and fix the back end of the secondary. The John Johnson contract has not worked out for the Browns and they could move on from him this offseason. Since leaving Cleveland and going to Buffalo, Poyer has developed into one of the best safeties in the NFL.
Poyer will command a large salary this offseason, which he deserves, and Cleveland might be willing to give it to him. But if there is a real shot at one of the league’s best at the position they should take it. Poyer is a complete player that is great at tracking the ball in coverage and is not afraid to get physical in run support.
Denzel Perryman, LB, Las Vegas Raiders
Cleveland’s inside linebackers struggled against the run game especially after Anthony Walker got injured. Denzel Perryman had an 80.5-run defense grade (PFF) this season and would be a massive upgrade over players like Jacob Phillips. Even if he is re-signed the team won’t have Sione Takitaki for most of the season and Perryman would be a good veteran presence in the locker room.
Perryman has been in the league since 2015 and could be great for helping the young defensive players on the roster. This team lacked veteran leadership last year and if Walker is re-signed and Perryman added the linebacker group would be a night and day difference from last season.
That is understandable. I brought up the draft for WRs for a reason. Hear me out for a minute. The price tag for FA WRs went through the roof last year. Hill is getting $30 million. Adams $28 million. Cupp at $26.7 million. AJ Brown @ $25 million. Metcalf got $24 million. Deebo got $23,850 million. McLauren got $22,788 million. I could go on and on.
Getting a WR or two on rookie contracts might be a wise decision.
Just a brain fart when reading the above.
While watching the games I came away awed by the Giants WR Hodgins and while watching I'm like awe man this kid is the next Cooper Cupp. I would make a solid offer for this kid he is going to be a stud...jmho
4 top-of-the-line defensive tackles to target in free agency
Cory Kinnan January 15, 2023 5:30 pm ET The Cleveland Browns have the worst defensive tackle room in the NFL. It was apparent during training camp, and it derailed their season as teams routinely gutted the Browns on the ground. And now as the offseason is underway in Cleveland, rookie Perrion Winfrey may be the only name to return to the room in 2023. This means they will have to spend some money in free agency to re-tool this room before the 2023 NFL Draft.
Not every signing will be a big name, but given the urgency in the defensive trenches for the Browns, defensive tackle may be a position they will splurge on. If they do, here are four names that sit at the top of the market for the Browns to highlight.
Daron Payne
Daron Payne is the white whale.
And with another Crimson Tide alum in the locker room in Cleveland already, maybe Amari Cooper can persuade Payne in the right direction. And that direction is in the Northwest direction from Washington D.C.
His production took a massive leap in 2022, racking up 11.5 sacks from his defensive tackle post, adding 18 tackles for loss and another 20 hits on opposing quarterbacks. It is anticipated that Washington utilizes their franchise tag on him, but if they let him walk expect the Browns to be top competitors for his services.
Javon Hargrave
A big reason for the defensive success of the Philadelphia Eagles can be attributed to defensive tackle Javon Hargrave. As they capture the top seed in the NFC and look to make a run at a Super Bowl, Hargrave is experiencing a massive breakout campaign of his own.
After setting a career mark with 7.5 sacks and nine tackles for loss a year ago with the Eagles, Hargrave further topped those numbers this year with 11 sacks and 10 tackles behind the line of scrimmage. Entering free agency at the age of 30, Hargrave is going to cash in again. And it might just be the Browns who get him.
Their competition, however? General manager Andrew Berry’s mentor Howie Roseman, who has proven extremely capable of manipulating the cap to keep his significant contributors.
Dre'Mont Jones
A former Ohio State Buckeye, the Browns could try to lure Dre’Mont Jones back to the state of Ohio this offseason. As the Broncos go through a weird transition where they have the guy they presume to be a franchise quarterback, but are about to hire their second head coach in as many years, they could be willing to let some valuable players walk.
A former third rounder in the 2019 NFL Draft, Jones has stacked up three consecutive and consistent seasons of at least 5.5 sacks from the interior, seven tackles for loss, 40 pressures (in the last two seasons), and 10 hits on the quarterback. Just 26 years old, Jones would give an instant boost to the defensive line in Cleveland.
Dalvin Tomlinson
While he is not as much of a pass rusher as the three who came before him on the list, he is a plug that the Browns are desperately missing. Dalvin Tomlinson provides so much relief for his linebackers in Minnesota due to his ability to consistently take on double teams along the defensive interior.
The linebackers in Cleveland are not as bad as the public perceives them to be, but they get no help from their defensive tackles to keep them clean. We truly have no idea what these linebackers would look like with a stout nose tackle like Tomlinson because they have never had one in three years under Joe Woods.
Who could the Browns target in free agency to change defensive woes?
Jacob Roach January 15, 2023 2:27 pm ET
The Cleveland Browns are currently searching for a new defensive coordinator after firing Joe Woods. But a coaching change is not all that the team needs to change to improve the defense. They struggled mightily from the defensive tackle position and likely need to overhaul that group. On top of that, the team still does not have a true deep free safety on the roster.
The team will attempt to add some long-term pieces in the draft they could look to take some major swings in free agency. There are players that the team will have a shot at that could truly help this team immediately.
A look at four defensive free agents the Browns should target this offseason.
The team absolutely needs an upgrade at the defensive tackle position if they want to have any chance to be a good unit. Sheldon Rankins hasn’t played up to the level that the Saints expected when drafting him 12th overall in 2016. Though not a superstar Rankins is a good player that can make plays in both phases of the game defensively.
At 6-foot-2 and 305 pounds Rankins isn’t the type of player that is easily moved in the run game. He anchors the middle of the line well and absorbs blocks to make sure the linebackers behind him are kept clean. Rankins would instantly be the best defensive tackle on the roster if the team signed him.
Arden Key, DE, Jacksonville Jaguars
Arden Key would be a nice addition to the defensive line playing opposite Myles Garrett. Giving Key more favorable matchups while Garrett draws double teams could lead to him putting it all together. Key has 11.5 sacks and 80 quarterback hits in the past two seasons. Key is explosive off the line and has a great blend of speed and power pass-rushing moves. He signed a minimum salary with the Jaguars and would likely be a cost-effective upgrade for the Browns.
Jordan Poyer, S, Buffalo Bills
The Browns could pursue a reunion with safety Jordan Poyer to try and fix the back end of the secondary. The John Johnson contract has not worked out for the Browns and they could move on from him this offseason. Since leaving Cleveland and going to Buffalo, Poyer has developed into one of the best safeties in the NFL.
Poyer will command a large salary this offseason, which he deserves, and Cleveland might be willing to give it to him. But if there is a real shot at one of the league’s best at the position they should take it. Poyer is a complete player that is great at tracking the ball in coverage and is not afraid to get physical in run support.
Denzel Perryman, LB, Las Vegas Raiders
Cleveland’s inside linebackers struggled against the run game especially after Anthony Walker got injured. Denzel Perryman had an 80.5-run defense grade (PFF) this season and would be a massive upgrade over players like Jacob Phillips. Even if he is re-signed the team won’t have Sione Takitaki for most of the season and Perryman would be a good veteran presence in the locker room.
Perryman has been in the league since 2015 and could be great for helping the young defensive players on the roster. This team lacked veteran leadership last year and if Walker is re-signed and Perryman added the linebacker group would be a night and day difference from last season.
You can't OR at least shouldn't put the cart before the horse. The new DC should determine what type of players they need before we just start bringing people in.
I mean it's great to talk about who the Browns might sign. No matter who the DC is, where the weaknesses are on the defense are and have been fairly obvious. Except for maybe the people who are in charge of fixing them.
The only thing to keep in mind is that these teams will find a way to sign some of the best players that are on people's radar. What the possible list looks like today will in no way look like the list that will be available by the time the FA signing period starts.
So I was thinking of approaching this from a purely positive perspective - looking at the coaching staff and roster only with 'best case' scenario. Obviously when I say that I'm also going to be realistic - Anthony Schwartz best case scenario is somehow he becomes a stud slot WR - but the reality is that is very improbable. So 'best case' based with a large dollop of reality:
Coaching Staff:
Head Coach - we have stability at HC and now we will have a full off season with a franchise QB. Stefanski can get back to being a top HC and play caller. With the DC position filled with an experienced and quality individual, KS can delegate without having to get involved day to day. DC - Schwartz has a impressive track record and tons of experience. Expect whatever parts and pieces he has to work with to be organized and playing up to their potential. Expect the 'studs' to shine. Special Teams - Reality says I don't expect a metamorphosis. It's entirely conceivable York settles down and is Mr Reliable with ability to hit 60 yarders. Maybe we target and find a return specialist to elevate the PR and KR play.
Roster:
QB - set with Franchise QB who is fully capable of returning to former glory and excel in a KS QB friendly scheme.
WR1 and WR2 - Set with Cooper and DPJ. Cooper runs precise routes and gets separation - DPJ wins most 1 on 1 matchups and jump balls, can continue to improve on some of the excellent play we've seen (again) this year. WR3 - We need to find a slot guy and/or a deep burner. Very Doable. TE - Honestly think we are set with Njoku as TE1 and Bryant as TE2. Improving depth should be easy. RB - we are set even without any additions. Chubb, Johnson, Ford. More than happy to role with that trio. OL - Need quality depth - but as a starting 5, what we have now is more good enough for both the run and pass game. With Watson's pocket presence and escape-ability - I think we are 100% set with starters, even if Wills only ever grades out as 'Good/Average'.
DE - One side is locked down. I think we have quality back ups in place. Need one starter opposite MG. DT - They played better in spells during the second half of the season - but realistically you want 2 starters. Winfrey showed flashes in a couple games - maybe the lights come on. Elliot and Togiai more than good enough for depth. LB - I think JOK will shine. Honestly need to see who fits what Schwartz wants to do, but you figure at least 1 out of Walker, Taki, Fields and Phillips is capable of being a starter if not a stud, and maybe you try to upgrade one LB slot and the others are again capable depth/rotation. CB - Not sure if Greedy is back due to injury issues, but between Ward, Newsome and Emerson you have 3 quality starters. Ward and Newsome should be elite. I'd bring AJ Green back. Depending on greedy - You might need to add 1 good back up for depth. Safety - Delpit flashed at the end of the season, if they keep JJ3 - I think Schwartz can make him an impact player like he was with the Rams. It would be nice to add a pure free safety who can flat out cover.
Obviously I'm making some significant assumptions - but ignoring the depth and focusing on positions where we need to sign or draft starters *-1 Slot WR. 1 DE. 2 DT. 1 LB. 1 pure free safety -* Honestly a very doable list. Everything else should be depth. Between the draft, trades, UFA and teams rebuilding and cutting good players on big contracts and cap casualties July 1 etc ...
It's been said before, you don't need studs at every position. And in theory (purely positive perspective) we have studs at QB, RB, WR1, Njoku *might* continue and become a Stud Light, Minimum of 1 stud OG - possibly 2 based on full recovery, DE, LB (JOK), CB1 and CB2. . . . .potentially that's a lot of excellent players. The holes we need filling shouldn't need to be studs.
We have barley any cap room am I correct? Takitaki snd people hones are both free agents I belive along with a few others. Would love to have Dien Jones back but again we don't have much money
The Cap used to be really important. It no longer is. Teams have figured out the loop holes. The Saints were way over the cap every year and still were in position to sign Watson. We have very intelligent guys and I have no worries that they will handle the cap. Not too long ago, a poster was ranting about how there was no way we could keep Conklin. How did that work out?
Now that Schwartz has been hired, we might want to take a look at some Titans he could bring w/him. One guy is DE, Demarcus Walker. He had 8 sacks and 32 pressures this year. We will need to add to the DE position w/Clowney leaving. This guy could help.
This time last year we knew we had issues at DT (x2) and issues at WR (x?). We picked up Bryan in FA and drafted Winfrey and recycled guys who were awful (again) in Elliot and Togiai...that didn't cut it. The dearth of talent at DT leaves us wondering whether we have sufficient talent at LB as we ran a scheme that was missing half the puzzle pieces.
We have MG at DE and the rookie Wright. Everyone else is fodder...although I really like Isiah Thomas.
We picked up Cooper at WR...so for the first time in recent memory, we had a WR that could actually see the field if he played for the Bengals. DPJ is a good story and a good guy...he catches most everything...but he doesn't get open...he's a great #4 WR...but we don't - and didn't before - have a true #2 (if Cooper is a #1) or a #3-possession-type WR. We drafted a couple WRs who were nothing special...as rookies. Schwartz is...well...who knows.
We appear to be set at CB - with depth - and have Delpit coming back...but we need a FS-type to help cover. I don't remember the last time we had an actual FS-type who was any good.
Outside of WR, the offense has plenty of talent and good depth...but is not without question. We have a big ??? at Center. Wills isn't very good and is up for a contract decision. It's hard to imagine that we will not move towards a passing offense from one centered on the running game. Wills isn't good...Teller is a better run-blocker than pass-blocker...Harris is a HUGE ? at C.
We don't have a #1 pick so premium players at premium positions will have to wait until Rd2 and likely a comp pick at RD3. But we need a lot more than (2) guys drafted on Day 2. Free agency will be the key again this year. That ball got dropped for the '22 season.
We need new starters as follows...at a minimum:
WR C DT DT FS
Hopefully leadership by the new DC and new scheme will make some of the current 'meh' D guys salvageable. Hopefully Harris is the guy they hoped for when they drafted him. Hopefully Wills gets his head out of his butt. Hopefully Winfrey doesn't go all 'Malik McDowell' on us in the off-season. Hopefully one of the 100 WRs on the roster becomes something viable. I'll stop there so I don't seem sarcastic...but there is more.
Nick Harris is too much of a risk until he is completely healed from knee surgery and then knee will need to be tested to see if it holds up under game conditions.
And I don't necessarily think we should, or will, cut John Johnson.
I don't know enough about scheme, scheme-fit, Schwartz' scheme-preferences, etc. However, to my eye it looked last year as if we had a slew of SS-types and no FS-types. SS ---> Delpit, JJ3, Harrison, Bell (& I'd throw JOK at that description as well.)
We might be able to get multiple guys for the JJ3 money we could save with a June 1st cut.
We still need to maintain a good O-line especially with a 230-million-dollar QB like DW. This is not the time to skimp on the O-line.
I've held that belief for most of my adult life...and I still do. But...the Bengals passed up Sewell and took Chase instead...and that put them in the SB. More often than not, there is a Bengals pass-catcher running wide open and usually that appears so on the first read. You don't need "a lot" of time when your first read has no defender within five yards of him.
We still need to maintain a good O-line especially with a 230-million-dollar QB like DW. This is not the time to skimp on the O-line.
I've held that belief for most of my adult life...and I still do. But...the Bengals passed up Sewell and took Chase instead...and that put them in the SB. More often than not, there is a Bengals pass-catcher running wide open and usually that appears so on the first read. You don't need "a lot" of time when your first read has no defender within five yards of him.
Look at the Bengals last 3 seasons. 2020 Burrow's rookie year. #9 got destroyed and did not finish the season.
2021- Chose Chase over OL. Chase is a game changer and Burrow knew it. That is why he pushed for Chase even though he was badly beaten as a rookie. Pursued OL but not in the 1st round.
2022- invested in OL after Burrow worked miracles to get the Bengals to the SB behind a sub par OL. Burrow comes into the season after missing all of training camp. Team starts off very slow while #9 dusts off the rust, then They go on a tear, losing zero games since October.
Chase & Burrow are Game Changers. Burrow knew that and the Bengals leadership trusted him.
I do not think DW is the player JB is. I hope I am wrong, but a great QB and a great WR paired with very good WR's almost won the Bengals a SB. The Browns have a better OL than the Bengals as well as a better running game. But, the Bengals are the team to beat not the Browns.
A bad to mediocre O-line affects a team adversely more than anything except maybe a bad QB. Even that could be debatable. With a bad O-line you have no time to pass it can't open holes for the running game and hurts your ST also which leads to many 3 and outs which will wear your D down. We've had some years here since "99 with bad O-lines. How soon some people forget.
Replay the Bengals game and watch what happened when his OL couldn't protect him.
By halftime-ish both starting OTs were out as was the starting RG. That's a different argument from "investing in the OL". A starter is such for a reason. They don't have to be great...but the replacement can't suck.
Burrow holds the ball forever when his first read isn't crazy-wide-open or he's not dunking it at the WR at the line of scrimmage.
I do not think DW is the player JB is. I hope I am wrong, but a great QB and a great WR paired with very good WR's almost won the Bengals a SB. The Browns have a better OL than the Bengals as well as a better running game. But, the Bengals are the team to beat not the Browns.
I don't think JB can sniff...let alone hold...DWs jock. JB has nowhere near the arm talent of DW. DW has ONE good WR to throw to... JB has (3)...arguably (4)...with a damn good TE and a top 5 RB...plus super backup in Perrine.
In today's game, if you had your choice of adding Chase or Joe Thomas in his prime for the 2023 Browns, you are no doubt taking Chase.
The starting LT in that wild card game was the third starter on the OL they lost. They had a very healthy starting OL for most of the season. But going into the wildcard game they were down two starters already. They had already lost both their starting RG and RT. That means at the point they lost their LT in the wild card game they were down three players on their OL.
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Edit to add: Those numbers are there even though Burrow is very elusive in the pocket and often buys time for his receivers to get open and/or avoid sacks.
I do not think DW is the player JB is. I hope I am wrong, but a great QB and a great WR paired with very good WR's almost won the Bengals a SB. The Browns have a better OL than the Bengals as well as a better running game. But, the Bengals are the team to beat not the Browns.
I don't think JB can sniff...let alone hold...DWs jock. JB has nowhere near the arm talent of DW. DW has ONE good WR to throw to... JB has (3)...arguably (4)...with a damn good TE and a top 5 RB...plus super backup in Perrine.
In today's game, if you had your choice of adding Chase or Joe Thomas in his prime for the 2023 Browns, you are no doubt taking Chase.
It takes more than arm talent to be a Top 10 NFL QB. Burrow processes defenses better Watson does.
And I don't necessarily think we should, or will, cut John Johnson.
I don't know enough about scheme, scheme-fit, Schwartz' scheme-preferences, etc. However, to my eye it looked last year as if we had a slew of SS-types and no FS-types. SS ---> Delpit, JJ3, Harrison, Bell (& I'd throw JOK at that description as well.)
We might be able to get multiple guys for the JJ3 money we could save with a June 1st cut.
Only way I see them getting rid of JJIII and creating a hole to relieve some cap space is if they are able to sign an actually free safety like Jessie Bates. Let Delpit be the box safety in Schwartz defense. Bates is only 26 as well.
If Berry can't work out a deal for an obvious upgrade with a guy like Bates or even Jordan Poyer, I think they keep JJIII. Would be great to see them land Bates.
Only way I see them getting rid of JJIII and creating a hole to relieve some cap space is if they are able to sign an actually free safety like Jessie Bates. Let Delpit be the box safety in Schwartz defense. Bates is only 26 as well.
If Berry can't work out a deal for an obvious upgrade with a guy like Bates or even Jordan Poyer, I think they keep JJIII. Would be great to see them land Bates.
I like Bates a lot, but I'm pretty sure he is going to be looking for a huge contract. Do you disagree w/that?
I like Bates a lot, but I'm pretty sure he is going to be looking for a huge contract. Do you disagree w/that?
Genuine question ... I've seen posts about the cap not being a big deal in today's NFL. Escalating cap each year and the ability to find loop holes, resign players to new contracts, push the bubble to future years etc
If the cap is such a non factor why wouldn't we be in the market for a premium player at a needed/vital position?
I think you have to be cognizant of the cap. I did not mean to imply that it's a non-factor. I have just seen teams work around the cap for too long. I could be mistaken, but I am not so sure that we should prioritize signing a high-priced safety. I think we need more help at DT, DE, and LBer. I would love to have a true FS, but those guys are few and far between. Another thing, I could be wrong about the money Bates wants. I did not look for a link, but I remember in camp this summer, he was a no-show and I believe they extended him for almost $13 million for this year alone and he will now be a FA.
Here's why the Bengals and Jessie Bates failed in contract negotiations Kelsey Conway Cincinnati Enquirer
For the first time since the 2021 season, Cincinnati Bengals safety Jessie Bates took to the podium at Paycor Stadium.
Bates, who skipped the first few weeks of training camp due to failed contract negotiations, was asked point blank why, in over the course of two years, he and the Bengals have yet to be able to get a long-term extension done.
“I don’t know,” Bates said on Wednesday. “I don’t think that’s my question to answer. I think it’s a great opportunity to continue to present what I’m about to, who I am, to this franchise and other teams as well. So, like I said, I’m looking at this as an opportunity to prove that I’m one of the best safeties in this league. I’m not sure why I’m not paid yet.”The Bengals and Bates have been in negotiation process for some time now. Cincinnati’s front office feels like they’ve made a fair offer, twice, and Bates wants more than what the Bengals are offering.
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Each side has justified its reasoning for why a contract extension hasn’t been agreed on. The Bengals put a certain number on what they were willing to offer Bates, calculated specifically knowing they have a megadeal coming with their quarterback Joe Burrow and wide receivers Tee Higgins and Ja’Marr Chase down the line.
There’s only so much money to go around. As Bengals’ owner and team president Mike Brown said, it’s a puzzle, and sometimes it doesn’t always fit.
Bates, however, feels that he’s one of the top safeties in the league and wants to be paid as such. Despite not being at practice with his teammates all offseason and through the first few weeks of training camp, Bates says he’s in the best shape of his life and expects to play in the Week 1 season-opener against the Pittsburgh Steelers. He kept his iPad from last season and watched every practice and every individual period the Bengals have done so far.
When asked if he’s looking at this year as his last with the Bengals, Bates opted not to say one way or the other. Due to the franchise tag rules, the Bengals and Bates can no longer negotiate while the season is underway. Contract talks can pick back up following the season, but for now, everything is tabled. This year will mark Bates' fifth in Cincinnati and he'll make nearly $13 million fully guaranteed after signing the franchise tag contract on Tuesday.
The Bengals have to decide to either give a long term Deal to Bates or Tee Higgins. I think Tee gets the Long term deal.the Bengals Let Jessie Bates walk. It's easier to find a replacement for Bates Than it is Higgins. Plus the Bengals will have to extend LB Logan Wilson who is a top 5 NFL LB.
Only way I see them getting rid of JJIII and creating a hole to relieve some cap space is if they are able to sign an actually free safety like Jessie Bates. Let Delpit be the box safety in Schwartz defense. Bates is only 26 as well.
If Berry can't work out a deal for an obvious upgrade with a guy like Bates or even Jordan Poyer, I think they keep JJIII. Would be great to see them land Bates.
I like Bates a lot, but I'm pretty sure he is going to be looking for a huge contract. Do you disagree w/that?
He is going to get a nice pay day for the safety position. Bengals could franchise tag him a second time.
Spotrac has his market value calculated at a 4yr deal for $42M with a yearly average of $10.6M. That's doable. It's about the guaranteed money for Bates and all about the contract structure for Berry. I'm confident Berry could structure a deal that would work for both parties if that's the direction they choose to go.
I think there is a lot more to it than being cognizant of the cap - I think the way some posts have been written (not suggesting it's you or anyone in particular) - it's as if the Cap is a non-factor and can be worked around any time we want. Salary and signing bonuses can be manipulated and pushed around at will... I don't think that's accurate. I think we can move and manipulate our cap to sign Ward, Watson, Chubb and Garrett - but then it impacts our ability to improve the big holes that need addressing. If we end up cutting JJ3 - I've seen that it will save X number of dollars after July 1st ... but it also potentially creates a hole that then needs to be filled.
Another example of why the cap is actually important - we've all mentioned how Lamar's negotiations with the Ravens have been impacted by Watson's deal. Many posters have crowed about what a great deal it is that we've forced Baltimore into a tough position with Lamar ... Yes, there are other factors at play like Lamar's style and potential susceptibility to injury and the fact that DW's contract is fully guaranteed - but if the Cap is something only to be cognizant of and isn't that big of a deal - the Ravens could sign Lamar to whatever they want, because down the road it can be manipulated. If the Cap isn't that important what we did with Watson probably wouldn't be that important for how the Ravens deal with Lamar. I am sure if needed the Ravens could get creative if the fully guaranteed is a sticking point - offer him 6 years, larger total contract and a guarantee that's the 2nd highest ever. Something that makes Lamar the 'most' in one portion of his contact even if isn't not fully guaranteed, but then the guarantee is enormous compared to anyone except DW. It seems odd to argue that both the Cap is not that important anymore AND that the Ravens are struggling to sign Lamar because of the $$$.
Edit to add: Those numbers are there even though Burrow is very elusive in the pocket and often buys time for his receivers to get open and/or avoid sacks.
The staple of the Bengal passing game is immediate dinks over the middle - usually to a guy with no one near him and within 5 yards of the LOS - and immediate dunks at the LOS to the WR. There is no processing the defense with that...no arm strength required and takes about as little time as is possible to release. I've now twice given you the reason why his release-time stat is what it is. Watch the game this weekend and look for those two pass plays. When Burrow has to put some stank on a throw, his accuracy goes to pot...and I'm not talking about the comical punts that he chucks up where Chase punks the CB on.
He's the same guy who couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State.
Put DW on that team with his superior arm talent - and even-better elusiveness - and that team would be unstoppable. We could have that with real, NFL WRs.
I don't disagree with your post at all. The cap is certainly a big factor. Teams depend on the draft so they have starters at key positions on rookie contracts to offset the high cost of free agents and the stars on the teams that demand huge contracts. The draft is a huge components in helping provide more cap space. With the watson trade it certainly upped the difficulty factor in accomplishing that over the next few years.
The biggest thing about a contract like Watson's is the guarantee itself. Once that contact was signed, the Browns were required, bu league rules, to deposit the entire guaranteed portion into what is essentially a "guarantee account". Deals without guarantees and "pay as you go". Guaranteed deals are "pay in full into a guarantee account as soon as the contract is signed". The player gets his annual salaries, but out of the guarantee account. Haslam could afford this, but many other NFL wners cannot.
I won't argue w/you and your opinion on the cap. I think our guys will handle the cap just fine. And it's not like it's unusual. I think of SF. How are they going to pay Trent Williams, Run CMC, Deebo, Kittle, Aiyuk, Bosa, Armstead, Warner, C. Ward, J. Ward, Greenlaw, etc moving forward. Our their fans freaking out like steve is over the freaking salary cap?
Edit to add: Those numbers are there even though Burrow is very elusive in the pocket and often buys time for his receivers to get open and/or avoid sacks.
The staple of the Bengal passing game is immediate dinks over the middle - usually to a guy with no one near him and within 5 yards of the LOS - and immediate dunks at the LOS to the WR. There is no processing the defense with that...no arm strength required and takes about as little time as is possible to release. I've now twice given you the reason why his release-time stat is what it is. Watch the game this weekend and look for those two pass plays. When Burrow has to put some stank on a throw, his accuracy goes to pot...and I'm not talking about the comical punts that he chucks up where Chase punks the CB on.
He's the same guy who couldn't beat out Dwayne Haskins at Ohio State.
Put DW on that team with his superior arm talent - and even-better elusiveness - and that team would be unstoppable. We could have that with real, NFL WRs.
Can you provide proof that the whole Bengals passing Offense is 5 yd check downs and dinks and dunk Like you describe it? Opposing defenses started to play more Cover 2 vs the Bengals this year in order not the 40 yd plus aerial Throws Burrow was throwing to Chase Boyd Higgins And Uzomah. If anything Burrow adjusted and still was carving Up defenses in 2022 to the tune of 4500 yds And he missed Chase for 1/4th of the season You don't throw for 4500 yds dinking and dunking
Burrow doesn’t have to have a huge arm because he already has elite anticipation. He gets the ball out on time get to his receivers when they’re at the top of their routes. His ability to read a D and get the ball out on time to the right receiver buys him the extra time needed because of his lack of ball velocity. I’d take in a QB elite anticipation and accuracy over arm strength any day of the week.
I was so bummed Cinci had access to him when they had the top pick in the draft. Meanwhile the Browns with the first pick had access to an underperforming college QB ala Darnold, a small school untested inaccurate QB like Allen, an undersized over performer in Baker, and an athletic freak show with questionable actual QB skills in Lamar. Nope… Cinci got an athletic, National Championship winning, big program leading, record breaking… but mildly underpowered QB.
That’s the Browns’ luck I guess. Or lack there of.
Once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
I agree with you. I don't like Bengals at all and hope they get beat. Here is what I think when I watch Joe Burrow. He makes very good pre snap reads and that is why he gets rid of the ball so quick. He understands his offense and knows where every receiver is going to be. He diagnoses the play and gets the ball out right away. Now, there are times his pre snap read can fool him and in those situations, he does hold the ball longer than he probably should. He is fearless in the pocket. He trusts his teammates and waits to the last second to deliver the ball and will get sacked because of that fearless mentality. In his short NFL career, most QB's that have been sacked as much as he has start to wilt and fade. I don't see that with Burrow. He is impressive.
To beat Burrow a defense has to disguise coverages and make him go thru his progressions. When he is able to deliver the ball off his pre snap reads he is unbeatable. While he is going thru those progressions the pass rush has to get home often. Change coverages and you'll need a great CB to take away his security blanket Chase. If a team has to double Chase, then Higgins and Boyd will kill your secondary. When a CB can man up Chase and at least contain him some. Then you can roll coverage and play games with Burrow's pre snap reads. Tough to do see Bengals 12-4 record but the Browns have a defense that is built to do just that. Can the Bills? Chiefs?
Football analysts across the land think Burrow is one of the very best QBs in the league. On Get Up this morning, a panel of 5 guys all picked Burrown over Allen, and three of those guys played in the NFL. I don't know if Burrow is better than Allen, but most everyone thinks he is the top 3-4. I'll take their word over the guy who recently said our former qb was the best qb in the NFL since Joe Montana. LOL
Guy is a winner. He makes mistakes. Hell, they all do. Mahomes, Allen, Herbert, etc. But, they win you games and raise the level of play in others. Check out the Bengals record with and without Burrow the last 5 years or so. And we do have some data from his rookie year where the team played games w/him and w/out him.
Once again, you don't know what you are talking about.
Do you even watch the Bengals play? I do and gave you my opinion. All you have are stats (which are perfect for guys like you) and the cut-and-paste opinions of talking heads. Watch them play...dink...dunk...chuck (that doesn't mean he is totally incapable of making throws that require arm talent...his is limited).
Top six teams with prorated bonus amounts to hit the cap in 2023:
___TEAM_______PRORATED BONUSES for 2023__Pct of Cap________Current Effective Cap Space and rank 1. Saints__________$89,045,370_____________ 39.576%_______($61,267,104) - after already redoing Thomas' contract. 2. Eagles__________$88,971,656_____________39.543%_______($ 748,878) 3. Packers_________$87,616,885_____________ 38.941%_______($20,170,125) 4. Rams__________ $70,117,623_____________ 31.163%______ ($15,674,776) 5. Bills____________$68,504,676_____ ________30.447%______ ($20,070,390) 6. Browns_________$68,311,563______________30.361%______ ($16,193,171)
Effective Cap Space = the cap space a team will have after having at least 51 players (league minimum used for openings) and its projected rookie class to its roster.
Total prorated money (including money that will void): When money is converted into a bonus that prorates over a number of years — most typically signing bonuses — it can no longer be manipulated for salary cap purposes. These amounts are truly sunk costs on the salary cap, unlike guaranteed salaries that are effectively sunk cash amounts but could still be altered from a cap accounting perspective. Teams have to work around these sunk costs even after a player is no longer on their roster — when they become what is referred to as “dead cap.”
Example: If the Browns redo Watson's 2023 contract as they did in 2022, the Browns Prorated Bonuses for 2023 will raise to more than 77M in 2023 or almost 35% of the cap without considering any other players to be signed. Currently, only 6 teams are operating with prorated bonuses over 30% of their cap.
Not exactly sure how this became a QB thread. Joe Burrow is an elite QB on our team he would be one of the greatest Like "ALL QBS" if you bring a lot of pressure and hit him often that is how you beat him. The kid is the most hit for the last several years. His OL sucks.. At this rate he will retire as damaged goods. Another Andrew Luck.
Well, the 49ers have just made it to the NFC Championship game for the 3rd time in 4-years. What an amazing run by a team that hasn't had an elite QB any of the 4 years - just saying.
Well, the 49ers have just made it to the NFC Championship game for the 3rd time in 4-years. What an amazing run by a team that hasn't had an elite QB any of the 4 years - just saying.
They have quite a team. Great DL, LBs, and some versatile players on O
Well, the 49ers have just made it to the NFC Championship game for the 3rd time in 4-years. What an amazing run by a team that hasn't had an elite QB any of the 4 years - just saying.
This Purdy kid is the best thing to happen to them this year. He came out of nowhere and is playing at a high level, top 5 or 10 game right now. Nothing like that ever happens in Cleveland.
Well, the 49ers have just made it to the NFC Championship game for the 3rd time in 4-years. What an amazing run by a team that hasn't had an elite QB any of the 4 years - just saying.
This Purdy kid is the best thing to happen to them this year. He came out of nowhere and is playing at a high level, top 5 or 10 game right now. Nothing like that ever happens in Cleveland.
Brian Sipe was maybe a 17th round pick, so it has happened.
But, I agree, it doesn't happen anywhere very often.
Well, the 49ers have just made it to the NFC Championship game for the 3rd time in 4-years. What an amazing run by a team that hasn't had an elite QB any of the 4 years - just saying.
They have quite a team. Great DL, LBs, and some versatile players on O
That is so true - and why hasn't our Cleveland Browns been able to do the same? It all starts at the FO and the caliber of HC. SFO is proving year after year that paying for an elite QB isn't necessary to win NFL games. Like I posted earlier, the Browns only have 1 defensive player (Garrett) currently (based on their 2022 performance) that could start for the 49ers. On offense, the Browns only have 2 definite starters in Bitonio and Teller with Cooper maybe being a #2 or #3 at best and Chubb who's a better runner but would have a very difficult time bringing to the table the all-around explosiveness of McCaffrey. Different teams build their teams different ways but having an elite QB doesn't fill in all the blanks. Maybe Berry should pop his head up and take notice. In 2017 the 49ers were 6-10 and 2018 they were 4-12. Since then, they have a record of 42-24 with 2 NFC West crowns, 3 NFC Championship games and 1 Super Bowl (and counting). In the same timeframe, the Browns were 0-16 in 2017 and 7-8-1 in 2018. Since then, the Browns have been 32-34 with have never winning an AFC North crown, no AFC Championship games, and never been to a single Super Bowl. You need look no further than the FO and HC as to why one team is so successful and the other not so much. The FO gets the players (like night and day between the teams) and the HC gets the most out of his players skill sets (again like night and day).
Lynch has turned out to be probably the best GM ever and add on Shanahan who has evolved into one of the best HC around!
I certainly will not disagree with your opinion. The point was and still is that the Browns had the exact same opportunity and has failed to this point. I've detailed what IMHO the Browns needs are to field a team comparable to the 49ers winning team, but many here think the buck stops here now because the Browns have Watson. We have forum posters here that will lash out at you as being a non-fan or worse if you dare point out any of the Browns shortcomings. The Browns will never get better if you are not looking critically at every position on the team. Having only one player that could even be considered a starter on the 49ers defense is troubling. Games are still won in the trenches. If you watched just the game yesterday, Cincy - with 3 OL starters out - dominated the line on offense. Today, could the Browns have 3 starters out on their OL and be dominate like that? On defense, the Bengals dominated the Bills offensive line. When was the last time the Browns DL dominated any team? SFO won the same way they have won all year - with dominate line play on both sides of the ball. This is a business; every player is expendable if it makes the team better and points the team in the direction of the ultimate goal of a Super Bowl. The Browns just finished their second consecutive losing season at 7-10. Every single person in the FO, coaches and players on the Browns should be looked at very critically if they are to get any better. Adding a Watson is not the cure all.
Lynch has turned out to be probably the best GM ever and add on Shanahan who has evolved into one of the best HC around!
I certainly will not disagree with your opinion. The point was and still is that the Browns had the exact same opportunity and has failed to this point. I've detailed what IMHO the Browns needs are to field a team comparable to the 49ers winning team, but many here think the buck stops here now because the Browns have Watson. We have forum posters here that will lash out at you as being a non-fan or worse if you dare point out any of the Browns shortcomings. The Browns will never get better if you are not looking critically at every position on the team. Having only one player that could even be considered a starter on the 49ers defense is troubling. Games are still won in the trenches. If you watched just the game yesterday, Cincy - with 3 OL starters out - dominated the line on offense. Today, could the Browns have 3 starters out on their OL and be dominate like that? On defense, the Bengals dominated the Bills offensive line. When was the last time the Browns DL dominated any team? SFO won the same way they have won all year - with dominate line play on both sides of the ball. This is a business; every player is expendable if it makes the team better and points the team in the direction of the ultimate goal of a Super Bowl. The Browns just finished their second consecutive losing season at 7-10. Every single person in the FO, coaches and players on the Browns should be looked at very critically if they are to get any better. Adding a Watson is not the cure all.
Cincy oline surprised me in regards to how little time They had to prepare in a week's notice I watch that one kid Jackson Carmen take out a Bills DE Straight out of bounds on a Mixon run. And the Bills dline has some high draft picks on Esperanza, Rousseau, Oliver. Burrow had all day to throw and when he felt the pocket close in He climbed the ladder and delivered strikes.
This must be a representation of the Baker song that has been running through your head for almost a year now. I'll happily send you another record. Just make a request.
We need good solid upgrades to our weak areas. The AFC is loaded so in order to be one of the legit contenders in "23 we have to make all the right moves. There are too many good teams in our conference. Let's hope DW can get back to form and he works well with KS. Schwartz was a much needed upgrade as DC and I think we will be a lot better just because of his hiring but we do need some more players there. If we were in the NFC it would be easier but we're not. WE need the right moves in FA and the draft or it could be another long year.
When Andrew Berry was hired. I thought he was a qualified candidate.
He had the background and the education. He worked for Howie Roseman who is considered a top GM.
This off season will be a test to find out how good AB is.
We are not starting over. We are not a 3 win team with loads of draft capital and big money in cap space.
We have a franchise quarterback. He is being paid. Miles is a former number one pick. We are paying Chubb, Njoku, Teller, Botonio, Conklin, Cooper, Ward, and Miles.
We don't have big money. We will have some money to spend from reworked deals, and NFL cap expansion.
DT, DE, receiver, and possible safety are immediate needs.
AB needs to figure out how to fix the roster. How to spend. Do we go after one or two big dollar FA? Spread the money on maybe four guys. Try and make a trade?
Here are the draft picks:
Second Round. Pick #43. Third Round. Compensatory pick not yet assigned between picks 97 and 102. Fourth Round. Pick #111. Pick #131 - From Minnesota. Fifth Round. Pick #141 - From Los Angeles Rams. Pick #143. Sixth Round. Pick #189. Seventh Round. Pick #231.
How do we use them? Trade up with the lower picks? Trade lower picks for higher picks next year?
Move around and try and target 3 guys to address needs? Or, draft as per code BPA?
This year we will find out how good AB is. This what he has spent most of his adult life preparing for.
GM's are expected to score on players early in the draft. It becomes much harder as each round passes. Cap management is AB and others. Berry is a professional in cap management. He has spent lots of time learning how to do it. He knows way more than any of us.
It really is a test now. How to spend and on whom. He has to identify talent and then find how to get those players. Obviously he does not control all the processes. But he has to know how to work the process with many alternate plans.
This is a player I mentioned a little while back that seems to be gaining a little traction....
Free Agency Profile: DT Greg Gaines
A big interior presence could be relatively inexpensive
Throughout the offseason, we will be bringing you as many profiles of players that could join the Cleveland Browns as possible. Both free agency and the NFL draft are ways that GM Andrew Berry could improve the team so we want to provide you as many and as much information as possible for who those players could be.
Defensive tackle will be a focus for most of the offseason as it is not certain that more than one current interior defender will still be on the 2023 roster. While the Browns brought in DC Jim Schwartz to fix the team’s problems in the run game, it was an “X’s and O’s” and “Jimmy and Joes” problem last year for Cleveland.
Today we take a look at a player that would be helpful against the run and pass in the middle of the defense but could come relatively inexpensive compared to some of the other options.
Name
Greg Gaines
Position
NT/DT
Height/Weight
6’2”/313 pounds
2022 Team
Los Angeles Rams
Stats:
2023: 16 games, 12 starts, 732 snaps, 36 tackles, six tackles for loss, six quarterback hits, two sacks
Gaines would provide Cleveland with a versatile, depth piece that could start right away while an early rookie develops or could provide rotational depth if multiple veterans are brought in. He has the size to anchor against the run but his low center of gravity helps him shoot gaps and make impact plays in the backfield as his 24 QB hits and 10.5 sacks as a DT show.
Browns Player Signing Could Impact
Tommy Togiai/Jordan Elliott - Neither Togiai or Elliott have made a ton of impact in their roles so far. Elliott, in the last year of his rookie deal, is more expensive and could be the odd man out in favor of Gaines.
How Signing Could Impact the NFL Draft
Given the team’s need, just signing Gaines would have very little impact on what Cleveland does in the draft. If Berry goes after multiple players at the position, it could change but Gaines, by himself, would be a piece of the puzzle but a DT in the second or third round would still be likely.
Priority
Medium – Low - Gaines is an interesting player that could be helpful for the right price but may not be a big enough impact to become a higher priority. If the price is right, Gaines is a player that Berry might try to snatch up quickly with a team-friendly structured deal instead of fighting it out for bigger-named, bigger contract players.
As I had mentioned in my previous post, he's not a world beater but upgrades need to be made at all levels on the interior of the DL. He would certainly provide that at a minimal cost.
I really am not high on the FA WRs this year. So many of them have big question marks. Staying healthy is one of the biggest ones w/many of them.
Tyler Scott is a guy that Milk and maybe another poster brought up before. He was mocked to us in one mock draft I viewed. Here is a player profile about him that I like because it is very balanced. Talks about his strengths and concerns.
Cincinnati WR Tyler Scott is a sleeper in the 2023 NFL Draft, but as an expected NFL Combine standout, it's only a matter of time before he's a household name.
Ian Cummings February 18, 2023
Cincinnati WR Tyler Scott doesn’t always get the buzz you’d expect from an early declare, but he has the 2023 NFL Draft scouting report to go off the board early this April. Here’s more on Scott, what’s led him to this point, and what his film does for his projection.
Numbers have been, and will continue to be, fairly kind to Scott. They were in high school, when the three-star athlete recruit ran for 44 touchdowns across his final two seasons and added three more scores as a kick returner.
They were kind in 2021, when Scott broke out with 520 yards and five touchdowns on 30 catches. And they were kind in 2022, when Scott upped the ante and went for 899 yards and nine touchdowns on 54 receptions, averaging 16.6 yards per catch.
Even with the production in mind, Scott’s unconfirmed numbers are even more impressive. He’s reportedly clocked a 4.29 40-yard dash, and there’s a definite speed element to his game that’s confirmed by the tape.
Scott is dynamic and versatile, and he did his best work after a notable QB change for the Cincinnati Bearcats. On the surface, his profile brings plenty to like. Taking a deep dive into the tape, let’s see what else he brings to the table.
Tyler Scott Scouting Report
Strengths
Explosive athlete who carries sudden burst out of cuts and can stretch seams downfield. Incredibly twitchy run-after-catch threat with impressive energy and foot speed. Has the short-area agility and body control to stop on a dime and swivel free from DBs. Has a unique brand of long-strider speed for his size, which he uses to attack space. Tracks the ball in the air with predator-like precision and effortlessly adjusts. Can extend beyond his frame, rise vertically, and snare high passes with authority. Has elite hand-eye coordination and precise timing when extending for passes. Hands are very reliable and naturally flow to the ball, even in contested situations. Has shown he can press into stems and use stride variations to offset DBs. Able to use his speed to manipulate blind spots and create space on quick outs.
Areas for Improvement
Has a noticeably lean frame with an average catch radius. Has excellent long speed, but isn’t always the breakaway threat that’s advertised. Doesn’t quite have elite deceleration ability and sink on comeback routes. Sometimes veers around as he’s decelerating and can be sharper at stems. At times, can better accelerate and press into stems, to bait DBs upfield. Can be easily interrupted and swayed by physicality out of releases. Expectedly struggles to sustain blocks in the run game with slight frame. Hand strength and composure decrease over the middle of the field. Speed gave him free releases often in college, minimizing press experience.
Cincinnati WR Tyler Scott’s Current Draft Projection Scott’s grade lands him in the top 75 on my board and places him as one of the top 12 wide receiver prospects in the 2023 NFL Draft. One of the more under-the-radar early declares this cycle, Scott should emerge as the process unfolds and ultimately take home Day 2 capital.
Scott fits the modern mold of the NFL wide receiver with his athletic tools. At 5’11”, 185 pounds, he’s an elite accelerator with devastating twitch and suddenness in small areas. The twitchiest receivers make it look easy and effortless to offset DBs and accelerate out of cuts, and that’s what Scott does.
On top of his burst and agility, Scott also has high-level catching instincts. He’s one of the best receivers — not just smaller receivers — in the class at tracking the ball, coordinating, rising vertically, and timing his hands to secure passes. Even against tight coverage, he can maintain composure. That, along with his track speed, makes him a truly dangerous downfield threat.
Scott falls within a similar category of WR to fellow prospects like Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, and Jordan Addison. What keeps him from rising to their level on the board? Most notably, Scott isn’t quite as refined or consistent when it comes to maximizing his tools as a route runner. He can also be fazed by contact, both out of stems and over the middle of the field.
All that aside, Scott has one of the best combinations of dynamic athleticism and natural catching ability in the class, and that’s a mixture that should grant him early and frequent success in a space-dominated NFL, if utilized correctly.
Scott may need to acclimate early on, as his struggles with physicality could be magnified without elite efficiency as a separator or expansive press experience. But there’s no replacement for speed. Scott has that speed, both in the deep third and as a short-area mover. That, combined with his ability to rise vertically and snare passes, gives him impact starter upside and versatility early on.
I watched part of one Bearcat game this year, so I know next to nothing about him. I just saw him mocked to us and I remember Milk bringing him up. You may have, also. I thought the player profile seemed pretty comprehensive. I would love to hear more if anyone has watched him play.
Every draft season I look at what number our first pick is and try to find a guy I really like.
I consider position but place emphasis on the player. We know where we need improvements.
DL either position. Receiver. I am adding safety because Harrison is gone. They may cut JJ3. That leaves Delpit.
Delpit is kind of Hybrid. He showed some improvement but he is a great cover safety. He may have a different role under Schwartz.
I love this safety from Texas A&M. Antonio Johnson. He has played in the slot and been moved to safety as well. Watch his tape this guy is a missile with great length.
He looks like a really good in the box safety. But we are overloaded there. Our need is a ball hawing free safety and in that highlight reel I didn't see him playing the free safety.
Delpit is our starting in the box safety, JJ3 is a great in the box safety but we have him playing FS. That is why it appears as if he sucks, we have him playing out of position because we have no one else who can do it. Harrison is an in the box safety and in my mind JOK is an in the box safety playing linebacker.
I realize that Harrison is almost certainly gone and there is a good chance that JJ3 is gone as well, but we still have Delpit and still so not have that ball hawk free safety. If your guy can be that FS great but nothing in the video suggests that.
As a tangent, as I said above, I think JOK is an in the box safety. What I really think is that he is a a tremendous athlete who is a smart football player. We should be utilizing him like the steelers used to use Polamalu. Instead we use him like a typical WLB. What happened to the story that reported how excited Woods and KS were when we drafted him that they went to the chalk board and started drawing up ways to use him?
"Whether you ask him to play free, strong or nickel safety, Antonio Johnson has the talent to fill any of those roles at a high level. He competes with a physical nature to defeat blocks and make plays near the line of scrimmage, but he also offers the range and balance to cover in space."
Dane Brugler.
He played slot corner and played everywhere he was needed.
He is not a box safety.
I doubt he gets to us. It could happen. He is a late first early second. Safety's are hard to figure where they get drafted.
He might be there.
This guy could be the glue we need on defense. First he can cover. He is versatile. He can tackle. He plays hard and with attitude. I love football players who know how to play. He fits that description.
I'm only going by what I saw in the youtube video you posted.
I don't want a hybrid safety playing free safety for us. We have done that for as long as I can remember, at least since Jabril Peppers got put back there. We have consistently asked guys to do things that they are not proficient at and offenses have been taking advantage of it for a decade or more.
I want a true ball hawing FS. I guy who can go sideline to sideline who can pick off that errant pass. A guy, who because he is back there, allows the corners to play tight man coverage because they know if they get beat he can cover up for them.
If Antonio Johnson can be that kind of safety then I am all for it. There just weren't any ighlights in that video of him playing the deep safety position.
According to PFF he is a slot or a box safety. His cons according to them are that when flipping his hips he can get a little chunky and that he has no ball skills when defending the pass, he is only credited with 1 pas breakup and 1 interception in his college career.
True free safeties are so hard to find. There just aren't many guys around anymore like Ed Reed, Earl Thomas, Kenny Easley, Darren Sharper, Ken Houston, etc. Most safeties are really box safeties that are forced to play FS because there aren't enough true FSs available.
Today, I think guys like Antoine Winfield, Marcus Williams, Kevin Byard, Justing Simmons, Diggs in Seattle are at or near the top in regards to "true" Free Safeties.
I am not disagreeing that he looks like a good player. Definitely a solid tackler. Just concerned that we don't have playng time for him at SS and worry that he won't be able to do what we need from the FS position. But again, I have only seen that highlight reel.
True free safeties are so hard to find. There just aren't many guys around anymore like Ed Reed, Earl Thomas, Kenny Easley, Darren Sharper, Ken Houston, etc. Most safeties are really box safeties that are forced to play FS because there aren't enough true FSs available.
Today, I think guys like Antoine Winfield, Marcus Williams, Kevin Byard, Justing Simmons, Diggs in Seattle are at or near the top in regards to "true" Free Safeties.
Wow, Kenny Houston. Blast from the past. The name reminds me of when I was a kid witching the NFL. He was a good one.
True free safeties are so hard to find. There just aren't many guys around anymore like Ed Reed, Earl Thomas, Kenny Easley, Darren Sharper, Ken Houston, etc. Most safeties are really box safeties that are forced to play FS because there aren't enough true FSs available.
Today, I think guys like Antoine Winfield, Marcus Williams, Kevin Byard, Justing Simmons, Diggs in Seattle are at or near the top in regards to "true" Free Safeties.
Wow, Kenny Houston. Blast from the past. The name reminds me of when I was a kid witching the NFL. He was a good one.
I'll admit I haven't seen the guy play but what you posted from Walterfootball doesn't say a word about him being able to play the FS position. According to PFF he played 123 snaps as at the deep position and their grade for him was 60.4 which is considered poor. He had better grades lining up at slot corner, in the box, along the line, and at wide corner than he did at the deep safety spot.
Really I am not saying a thing about him. I read some reports and watched some film.
I watched his film and I like what I see. He has length and speed. If you can play nickle corner. I have assume you can cover.
The chances that we draft him are slim.
I can think of only one player I wanted that the Browns drafted and that was JOK.
Every year I see a player or two I like and I follow them and see how they do. I try and pick guys we may draft or are near when we draft.
Last year I liked George Pickens.
There will be others in this draft that I am sure will catch my eye.
I loved Christian McCaffrey. I kinda like Jalin Hyatt, but I need to watch him more.
I have not even looked at DL yet just names.
I'm with you. I really liked George Pickens out of Georgia 1st RD talent level that fell to RD 2.thats what successful Franchises do. They find upper tier talents in the mid To late RDs that make a difference What do Andrew Berry do....drafts 7th RD talent In the 3rd RD. The Steelers got the better part of that deal. Yeah MJ Emerson can play CB. Good enough to start over Newsome. But CB was not dire need last year like a Play making WR was. Berry to pull a Bengals or Chiefs this draft and find playmakers And difference makers
I don't know. I thought signing Cooper and giving your young WR talent another year to develop made sense at the time. The Browns knew a suspension of watson was looming but the length of that suspension was up in the air. This year however is a completely different animal.
IMHO, huge mistake. Wills hasn't performed at a level to warrant the 5th year option. Giving Wills the option locks the Browns into a guaranteed 14M-16M contract for 2024 no matter his performance level in 2023. That means no restructure, no cap cost reduction, and making it impossible to deal him in any way if the Browns decide to move on after another suspect year. Keeping Wills on a final prove it year wouldn't cost the Browns much more if they would then decide to offer another deal but more importantly allow the Browns the option of moving his 2024 and beyond salaries into prorated bonuses which they won't have using the 5th year option for 2024.
It's no secret that I'm negative about all the salaries Berry is moving to prorated bonuses (currently in the top 3 of the NFL) but in this case with a lot of those prorated bonuses kicking in in 2024 for the Browns, locking the Browns into a 14M-16M guaranteed contract in 2024 when the Browns could move the majority of that cost for year 1 to a prorated bonus on a new deal instead (saving 13M-15M in 2024 cap costs) is much more financially fiscal than locking the team into a guaranteed deal in 2024 when they are already projected to be significantly over the cap as it is. Additionally, if they so choose, it will be much cheaper to sign Wills to a new deal in 2024 than it will be in 2025 after he just received a guaranteed year. Sitting the organization up to have to pay top 5 pay for a LT who's nowhere close to being a top 5 performer is not very smart IMHO.
I'm good w/the Browns extending Wills. He has been a bit inconsistent, but I remember the days when we didn't have a LT and it was hard to get anything done offensively. The salary cap used to be a huge thing. It's still a thing, but teams have figured out how to manipulate the cap. I also think that our FO has extremely intelligent folks who will handle the cap issues. Also, the cap is going to continue to increase each year. I do not miss the days when we led the league in available cap space and won 3 games or less.
I am not a GM. Berry is and he has paid his dues to learn about how to handle the cap.
His resume is there for the looking.
These types of decisions are not made by consulting this Board. They are made by professionals. First you learn what Bill Callahan says about Wills. No offense to PFF but they don't work with Wills.
Once Callahan provides his input then it goes to Stefanski and then to Berry. All three look at every possible angle and then make a decision.
I'm good w/the Browns extending Wills. He has been a bit inconsistent, but I remember the days when we didn't have a LT and it was hard to get anything done offensively.
Unfdortunately, I also remember the days when we had a Hall of Fame LT, and couldn't get anytyhing done offensively.
Not to cause an argument and it's just my opinion, but where are your facts that our FO is doing a great job with the cap?
Here's what I know as facts:
1. At the start of the new season in March 2022, the Browns had serious needs at both DT's, a true #2 WR, and free safety. 2. After all the off season moves and the draft, the Browns entered the 2022 season still having needs at both DT's, a true #2 WR, and free safety. 3. Contrary to your opinion,
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I do not miss the days when we led the league in available cap space and won 3 games or less.
https://www.profootballrumors.com/2022/10/2022-nfl-cap-space-by-team-3 2022 NFL Cap Space, By Team October 28th, 2022 at 12:56pm CST by Sam Robinson Days away from this year’s trade deadline (3pm CT, Nov. 1), a few teams have made some in-season moves to bolster their rosters. Several squads have also restructured contracts this season to create additional space. That extra room will matter as most teams will consider adding or subtracting costs before Tuesday’s deadline.
Here is how teams’ cap-space numbers (courtesy of OverTheCap) look ahead of the October trade deadline: 1 Cleveland Browns: $33.72MM 2 Las Vegas Raiders: $10.35MM
The Browns had 23.37M more in available cap than any other NFL team at the trade deadline yet did next to nothing. Though they eventually won more than your 3 wins or less opinion (which by the way, has only happened 3 times in the last 21 years), the Browns still garnered their second straight losing season and a last place finish in the AFC North while holding on to the most available cap in the NFL. Worse yet, the Browns still had serious needs at both DT's, a true #2 WR, and free safety.
4. Fast forward to February 1, 2023; under Berry's reign - the Browns still have serious needs at both DT's, a true #2 WR, free safety, and now DE. Add to that is the part where not only has the cap level been increased by $16.6 million leap for each club from the $208.2 million cap in 2022 and with the Browns carryover from 2022, the Browns current contracts have left the team in a current situation of being ($13,415,552) over the cap. Before you go wacko on me, I'm well aware that Berry will be restructuring contracts (again) to address this issue.
To everyone on the forum, excuse me for my skepticism of Berry's talent evaluation and his handling of the cap. He had the most cap available of any team in the NFL and didn't address the issues in 2022 and count me as skeptical that he'll deliver now being at 24th in available cap. His past history doesn't show he can or will do it. Let's not kid ourselves either, the Browns still have issues that need addressed at both DT's, a true #2 WR, free safety, and now DE.
Not to cause an argument and it's just my opinion, but where are your facts that our FO is doing a great job with the cap?
You say you don't want to cause an argument and then misquote me.
I said something like our front office has very intelligent folks who will handle the cap. Will means moving forward.
How about you voice your opinions and stop trying to challenge anyone who doesn't agree w/your constant doom and gloom takes? I disagreed w/your takes but I did not call you out to make my point.
I’d keep Wills for this year as well. We have too many defensive holes to worry about LT. He’s serviceable. It could be a 2024 problem
It's not a question of keeping Wills for the 2023 season, he's under contract already. The question is will the Browns give him a 5th year option due May 1 for 2024 that will be guaranteed at 14M-16M for that season. Giving Wills the 5th year option is what will cause the possible 2024 problem. If the Browns don't exercise it, then Wills will play out his final year and be due a new deal for 2024 if he's earned it. That gives the Browns options they won't have if they exercise the 5th year option like: cutting him with no cost, franchise tag him either (exclusive where the tagged player cannot negotiate with other teams or non-exclusive where the player is free to negotiate with other teams and should the player sign an offer sheet from another NFL team, the player’s current team has the right to match the offer or if they do not, they receive two first-round draft picks as compensation when the player leaves for a new team), the Browns can tag him and trade him, or the Browns can just negotiate a new multi-year deal with Wills.
Giving Wills the 5th year option limits the Browns as to what they can do with Wills. I'm not saying get rid of him now but to leave your options open for if he has another less than expected year of performance.
So tired of individuals claiming to be victims. I did not misquote you. You are the one who brought up the history of sitting on the excess cap - not I. Once you did that it opens the door for the history, including Berry. I cannot see into the future so I cannot claim as fact that Berry and the folks will do a bad job of handling the cap. I can only perceive an opinion based on Berry's history. Likewise, your opinion that Berry and his folks will handle the cap is nothing more than a perceived opinion too. If I am guilty of "trying to challenge anyone who doesn't agree" with my opinions, aren't you doing the exact same thing with your posts? Or is it you just believe your opinionated posts should be taken as gospel?
Willis is just another Andrew Berry draft pick that is a wait And see player. " oh Willis is still young and inconsistent Let's give him another 6 years to see if can play at high level For 17 games" you can insert any Berry draft pick and it Applies to him. "Blah blah blah David Bell let's see what He can do with a full season with Watson" I swear Andrew Berry gets the benefit of the doubt every year. Wake me up when the Browns draft a immediate playmaker Who doesn't need a 6 year window to see if he has it or not.
Berry has made mistakes. I pointed it out numerous times. Especially in overestimating the DT position last season.
However, the draft is a different animal. When you go into the third round you are looking at development. Sometimes guys develop. Sometimes they do not. No GM hits on every pick. Hell look at all the first rounders that totally bomb.
Each player when he was drafted and his age are important to consider. Wills was a first rounder for a reason. He has the skills to develop.
He has been inconsistent but in his case. I think you have to expect that. Like I said he came into the NFL as a RT at age 20.
You don't give up on players like him if the people you trust believe in the guy.
Berry has made mistakes. I pointed it out numerous times. Especially in overestimating the DT position last season.
However, the draft is a different animal. When you go into the third round you are looking at development. Sometimes guys develop. Sometimes they do not. No GM hits on every pick. Hell look at all the first rounders that totally bomb.
Each player when he was drafted and his age are important to consider. Wills was a first rounder for a reason. He has the skills to develop.
He has been inconsistent but in his case. I think you have to expect that. Like I said he came into the NFL as a RT at age 20.
You don't give up on players like him if the people you trust believe in the guy.
It is not that difficult.
The problem I see with Wills is that he lacks a passion and Desire for the game. You cannot coach that into a player. He lacks that mindset to dominate. Callahan can coach techniques But he can't give a player heart.
I don't totally agree on the your 3rd RD picks have to be Developmental. Look at the last 2 AFC Championship teams. The Bengals and Chiefs. They coach their draft picks To be ready when their number is called. Isiah Pacheco...7th RD pick. Jaylen Watson was not a high pick. The Bengals had a couple starters from there past 2022 Draft that were mid RD picks
Like I said good GMs can find contributors and playmakers In RDs 3 to 7. Alot of teams do it...how come the Browns can't?
You are correct. He had a outstanding rookie year. But I think WR was a bigger need Than CB. I think George Pickens would have been perfect fit For this offense
I wasn't directing at you at all. I have no issue with your posts - in fact, I find them informative.
About Wills - please read the whole post. I didn't say in this post that we give up on Wills. I said that rewarding him with a 5th year option considering his play to this point has not warranted a 5th year option. It was also my opinion that after 2023, the Browns would have several more options in dealing with Wills (good or bad) that are totally eliminated without a huge cost if the Browns give him a guaranteed 5th year option before he even plays a down in 2023 after 3 less than stellar years. Wills is a 1st round draft pick and the Browns should expect more than what they have received from him to this point. Rewarding him with a fully guaranteed 5th year option for his level of performance by a 1st round pick in my opinion is a bad decision by the Browns when there's other better options in dealing with his future in Cleveland.
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
I wasn't directing at you at all. I have no issue with your posts - in fact, I find them informative.
About Wills - please read the whole post. I didn't say in this post that we give up on Wills. I said that rewarding him with a 5th year option considering his play to this point has not warranted a 5th year option. It was also my opinion that after 2023, the Browns would have several more options in dealing with Wills (good or bad) that are totally eliminated without a huge cost if the Browns give him a guaranteed 5th year option before he even plays a down in 2023 after 3 less than stellar years. Wills is a 1st round draft pick and the Browns should expect more than what they have received from him to this point. Rewarding him with a fully guaranteed 5th year option for his level of performance by a 1st round pick in my opinion is a bad decision by the Browns when there's other better options in dealing with his future in Cleveland.
That ^ opinion is about 2024...not 2023.
If one thinks Wills is good, bad or indifferent...^ makes sense.
If one thinks Callahan is a master of development...^ makes sense.
If one thinks Berry is a genius an idiot or in-between...^ makes sense.
If one wants to roll with Wills...^ makes sense.
If one wants to eventually cut Wills...^ makes sense.
I don't get the arguing here...not that I am always innocent of ever senselessly arguing.
Repeat: That ^ opinion is about 2024...not 2023.
That said, I do not understand why they picked up the 5th year option. That doesn't mean I want to cut Wills...that doesn't mean Berry is an idiot...that doesn't mean Callahan isn't a genius.
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
DPJ is a good guy...his is a great story...he catches most everything...he cannot get separation...he would be a #4 or #5 on the Bengals...he is a #2 ONLY in OUR WR room. I'd love to see him alongside Cooper...a real #2...and Njoku.
However, trying to judge the passion of a player without direct experience is likely not accurate. You can not see what a player is doing daily.
No team or draft picks are the same.
From the fourth round on down the percentage of plays started in the players first five years in the NFL goes down from 6.3 %.
67.5 % in the first.
33.8 in the second.
36.3 in the third.
6.3 in the fourth
So, obviously the round drafted is an indicator if you start. That does not mean starters are not found late. It just does not happen often.
I think you hope guys in the first two rounds will start. The third round can depend upon position. Centers, Guards, Linebackers, Backs, and Safety's could be top five players at their position. Plus you may have a hole to be filled and will plug a rookie in there from necessity.
The draft is far from a sure thing. Hall of Fame GM's have blown the first pick in the draft. Bobby Beathard selected Ryan Leaf over Peyton.
Belichick has blown many draft picks.
Sometimes patience pays off. Sometimes you have to cut bait quick. Remember Trent Richardson?
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
DPJ is a good guy...his is a great story...he catches most everything...he cannot get separation...he would be a #4 or #5 on the Bengals...he is a #2 ONLY in OUR WR room. I'd love to see him alongside Cooper...a real #2...and Njoku.
He should be targeted more in the red zone He is big has the best hands of any WR in the AFC.
However, trying to judge the passion of a player without direct experience is likely not accurate. You can not see what a player is doing daily.
No team or draft picks are the same.
From the fourth round on down the percentage of plays started in the players first five years in the NFL goes down from 6.3 %.
67.5 % in the first.
33.8 in the second.
36.3 in the third.
6.3 in the fourth
So, obviously the round drafted is an indicator if you start. That does not mean starters are not found late. It just does not happen often.
I think you hope guys in the first two rounds will start. The third round can depend upon position. Centers, Guards, Linebackers, Backs, and Safety's could be top five players at their position. Plus you may have a hole to be filled and will plug a rookie in there from necessity.
The draft is far from a sure thing. Hall of Fame GM's have blown the first pick in the draft. Bobby Beathard selected Ryan Leaf over Peyton.
Belichick has blown many draft picks.
Sometimes patience pays off. Sometimes you have to cut bait quick. Remember Trent Richardson?
Agreed all accounts and points you made. But I still think Wills passion for the game is very debatable
Insider: Browns happy with Jedrick Wills' progress, team likely to pick up fifth-year option
Jacob Roach February 22, 2023 11:15 am ET
All NFL teams must decide on 2020 first-round picks and their fifth-year option by May first. The first-round pick of the Cleveland Browns that year was Jedrick Wills at number 10 overall, so a decision will be made on his future this offseason. Cleveland.com’s Mary Kay Cabot believes that the team is happy with the direction that Wills is trending in and that they will exercise the option.
“This year, it’s left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr.’s turn, their No. 10 overall pick that year. The Browns were pleased with Wills’ progress in 2022 and will likely pick up the option for 2024. It’s $14.175 million — fully guaranteed when exercised — unless they negotiate a multi-year deal.”
“This year, it’s left tackle Jedrick Wills Jr.’s turn, their No. 10 overall pick that year. The Browns were pleased with Wills’ progress in 2022 and will likely pick up the option for 2024. It’s $14.175 million — fully guaranteed when exercised — unless they negotiate a multi-year deal.”
The fan base seems to be split over this decision with people wanting him gone and others wanting him retained. Overall this is the right decision because as far as salaries go for left tackles this isn’t that high. Wills has been mostly average with spikes below and above but there is no denying he has the talent to be a great player if he consistently puts it all together.
The salaries for LTs has to be considered. So does Wills' inconsistent effort/play. This is just my opinion, but I would stick w/the guy, at least for now. The part about negotiating a multi-year deal is interesting. Not sure if the Browns want to go there yet.
In some ways the Wills situation reminds me of Njoku.
Both were first rounders and both were very young. Njoku was one of the worst blockers I have ever seen in the NFL. He has developed in a very good blocking TE.
I have no crystal ball for Wills. A lot of people including Joe Thomas said grace over Wills when he was drafted. He has been inconsistent. Joe has made statements about Wills needing to be consistent.
Young guys like Wills have to learn how to do that. How to play even when not 100%.
What we as fans do not see is his work ethic. We don't know how bad he wants to be good. We can look to Callahan and ask does he have great potential?
The staff knows Wills. So, we shall see how he plays.
I think this article is relevant to the recent discussion on this thread.
Beyond free agency: Browns must get leap out of young talent already on the roster
Cory Kinnan February 22, 2023 12:00 pm ET
With little doubt, the Cleveland Browns have to capitalize this offseason to improve their roster, specifically on the defensive side of the football. Both through free agency and the 2023 NFL Draft, the Browns have an opportunity to add talent, both veterans and rookies, to their roster as they look to scratch and claw back to the playoffs in 2023.
However, beyond the players they may look to add to their roster this offseason, a bigger question mark and priority for the Browns will be the development of the young players already on their roster. They got a great rookie season out of rookie cornerback Martin Emerson Jr., second-year players Greg Newsome II (even while playing out of position) and Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah continued to flash, but the Browns need more from their youngsters on rookie contracts to capitalize on their window.
The Browns need to overhaul their defensive line. This is no secret to anyone who was even a bystander to Cleveland football last year. However, if they can get progression out of the likes of Alex Wright, Perrion Winfrey, and Isaiah Thomas in their defensive trenches, this will go a long way toward solidifying that unit long-term.
At this point, the Browns cannot afford to go into the 2023 season banking on the development of Wright, Winfrey, and Thomas along their defensive line. However, as they inevitably sign a few veterans this offseason in free agency, having the ability to sign them to just one-year deals as a stopgap would do wonders for their books as their cap number will continue to shrink into the future.
As Jim Schwartz now takes over as the defensive coordinator, and as these young players will get new position coaches this season, there is a hope that a new perspective and angle in coaching can jumpstart the development of the underachieving youngsters. This is a premise of the Browns’ age guardrail: draft young players so you have more time to develop. But this hinges on the coaching staff’s ability to develop.
Free agency is important. The NFL Draft is important. But being able to rely on their young players beyond 2023 to take over significant roles will be the biggest key to the long-term health of the Browns’ roster. And hopefully, the changes in leadership on the coaching staff can shock new life into these key pieces.
I think there is a lot to consider when it comes to Wills. First the Browns have no 1st round draft picks for years. Hopefully the Browns will do no worse than middle of the pack in terms of W's so that would leave you with a mid second round pick to address the LT position at best in the draft. At that point in the draft at a position highly valued and in high demand, the odds of drafting an upgrade to Wills would be a high risk proposition.
Better players at the position in the FA market would cost a boatload more than that 5th year money. And last but certainly not least Browns fans were so spoiled by Joe Thomas being here, that as you mentioned, they've forgotten what not having a legitimate LT looks like.
You're 100% correct except Beathard did not select Leaf over Manning. The Colts had the #1 pick overall and selected Manning. Manning wasn't even available for Beathard to select. The next QB selected was Charlie Batch in the 2nd round with the 60th pick.
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
61 catches for 839 this year with Cooperas the primary is really good. Especially, for a 6th round pick.
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
61 catches for 839 this year with Cooperas the primary is really good. Especially, for a 6th round pick.
I would expect him to get his 1k in 2023.
Should come close.
I don't think we're drafting a WR at #42... Our next pick is basically a high 4th (98), probably not a "game-changer" there.
It will be interesting to see how we compliment Coop and DJP through free agency. I do think they've been very productive. DPJ's 839 is nothing to sneeze at in an offense that was 23rd in passing yards and 6th in rushing.
Was DPJ a value pick? I believe he was a 6th round pick.
I think DPJ is progressing upward. But he still hasn't had A 1000 yd season yet or a even yet a game where I've Seen him totally take over and dominate. DPJ is a solid piece but he isn't a game changer Berry needs game changers The margins in the NFL are very very thin. Look the playoffs and SB.
61 catches for 839 this year with Cooperas the primary is really good. Especially, for a 6th round pick.
I would expect him to get his 1k in 2023.
I agree he has been a solid player, especially when considering he was a 6th rounder. Not sure what fans expect from a player drafted that low. And I say this as a Buckeye suppprter who hates the Wolverines.
Wills is a serviceable left tackle, but we need to take one in the draft IMO. A pure LT as late as the 3rd because we're in "this sucks" time with little draft capital.
Wills is a serviceable left tackle, but we need to take one in the draft IMO. A pure LT as late as the 3rd because we're in "this sucks" time with little draft capital.
I agree. The way QC talks about Berry drafting... it is highly likely they will draft both a LT/LG in the draft late in the draft.
Hopefully, Wills make huge leaps this year. if he improves 20%... I think we will keep him longer.
Oh, does he think Bitonio is out? I quit watching him over the Baker/Odell/Watson banter back when it was a hot topic. He pissed me off. I should start watching him again. He has good football insight and is better on the browns than most of the big company talking heads. And I'm pretty much over all of that now. I still love Baker, though, and wish him well.
Oh, does he think Bitonio is out? I quit watching him over the Baker/Odell/Watson banter back when it was a hot topic. He pissed me off. I should start watching him again. He has good football insight and is better on the browns than most of the big company talking heads. And I'm pretty much over all of that now. I still love Baker, though, and wish him well.
this will probably knock your socks off. Lots of fantastic info in here from the cap to how Berry drafts.
I laughed at ... Berry is going to wait to restructure Watson until after the Ravens have to franchise tag him... just to stick it to Baltimore a little more.
Berry is playing chess on 12 different boards at once.
They already did take a pure left tackle in a third round, from U. of Cincinnati.
Wouldn't it be something if they could coach up Hudson to start at LT and be better than Wills? I can't imagine that Bill Callahan didn't test that possibility. But Hudson IS going into his third year, so maybe he could make the move to starting LT, but I seriously doubt it. Again, I'm sure this has all been discussed by now, and I bet we're looking for the next LT. We might have to pick up Wills's 5th-year option at $14,175,000.
George M. Thomas, Akron Beacon Journal Thu, February 23, 2023 at 11:44 AM EST
Browns fans should be prepared for the parade to come as the NFL’s season of financial jockeying is upon the football world.
In short: players will be released in moves to save salary cap space, and likely some at positions of need for the Browns. Someone like veteran wide receiver Robert Woods, who was cut by the Tennessee Titans and exited Nashville with one word on Twitter: “Free.”
But is he someone general manager Andrew Berry should consider? Salary cap issues might preclude it given that the Browns are more than $15 million in the hole in that regard, but they’ve not really done their own maneuvering and they have 22 free agents of their own.
But would someone like Woods be that player? He'll be 31 by the time the season starts and only accounted for 53 receptions for 527 yards and two touchdowns last season.
He’s certainly not going to command the more than $16 million he made with the Titans, which saved $12 million in cap space by releasing him, according to reports. Additionally, there are younger and more productive options available at the position.
Amari Cooper and Donovan Peoples-Jones are ensconced in the top spots for the Browns, but the team’s receiver corps is questionable beyond them. There’s certainly a need, but Woods may not be the best answer.
Given that before the league gets into full pare down mode there are 64 free agent wide receivers. Depending how the Browns handle their 22 free agents and cap space, they will have options to explore. One of them — Parris Campbell — even has local ties after playing at Ohio State.
Here’s a list of the Top 10 most productive free agent wide receivers they could consider:
NFL free agent wide receivers the Browns could consider
It's a big week for HBCU prospects who could get picked in the 2023 NFL draft. On Monday, 47 players took part in the second annual HBCU combine, where scouts and evaluators from all 32 NFL teams watched workouts at the New Orleans Saints' practice facility. The Black College Football Hall of Fame and NFL teamed up to host the event, which featured on-field testing and drills that follow a similar format to the annual scouting combine in Indianapolis. And this Saturday, 98 players are expected to participate in the HBCU Legacy Bowl (4 p.m. ET, NFL Network) at Tulane University.
Four HBCU players were drafted in last year's NFL draft, tied for the most in ten years. Detroit Lions defensive end James Houston finished his rookie year with eight sacks, and Kansas City Chiefs cornerback Joshua Williams played a pivotal part in the team's Super Bowl title run. How many HBCU alums could get selected -- or make a roster as an undrafted free agent (UDFA) -- this year? Who generated buzz at the combine workouts? Here is an updated look at 15 of the top HBCU prospects for the 2023 draft, including nine who are in New Orleans this week.
A highly productive pass-rusher, Land had his best season in 2021. He finished with 19.5 sacks and earned the Buck Buchanan Award as the FCS Defensive Player of the Year. Land is lanky but has burst, bend and a quick first step out of the starting blocks, which was routinely too much for FCS offensive tackles to handle. He finished last season with 12 tackles for loss and eight sacks over nine games.
We saw him play primarily standup outside linebacker at the Senior Bowl, and that is likely his position at the next level. Dropping into coverage will be an adjustment for him, but he'll mainly be a designated pass-rusher early in his career while he continues to gain weight. For teams seeking immediate help on obvious passing downs, Land could be an added boost.
2. Aubrey Miller Jr., ILB, Jackson State HT: 6-foot | WT: 229 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: Mid-to-late Day 3
After transferring from Missouri in search of an expanded role, Miller found the perfect landing spot at Jackson State, where he has been the heart and soul of the Tigers. He was primarily the Mike linebacker, but Miller's versatility was on display throughout his career. And he consistently showcased an ability to read, diagnose and attack downhill, proving he's capable of being a three-down player who can also hold up in coverage. Miller was named the SWAC Defensive Player of the Year last season after 117 tackles, 12 tackles for loss, two sacks and five forced fumbles.
I've heard a lot of positive feedback about Miller's game from scouts, and many are surprised that he didn't receive an invite to the NFL combine in Indianapolis. Regardless, he could be an instant-impact player on special teams in the pros while he continues to develop as a linebacker.
3. Mark Evans II, OL, Arkansas-Pine Bluff
4. Shaquan Davis, WR, South Carolina State HT: 6-foot-4 | WT: 217 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: Mid-to-late Day 3
Davis comes from one of the best NFL pipelines among HBCU schools. South Carolina State has produced Darius Leonard, Javon Hargrave and Cobie Durant -- and Davis appears to be next in line. He was one of the most efficient pass-catchers in the FCS ranks last season, recording 45 catches for 934 yards and 11 touchdowns. He also averaged at least 20 yards per catch in three of his four seasons, showing he can win downfield by using his big frame or pick up chunks of yards after the catch. Davis still needs to improve his route tree and body control in the underneath areas, but he showed progress during the week of practices at the East-West Shrine Game.
5. Jadakis Bonds, WR, Hampton HT: 6-foot-2 | WT: 205 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: Late Day 3
A dynamic vertical asset for Hampton, Bonds consistently gains separation behind the third level of the defense and finished his college career with 34 receiving touchdowns. He has the type of speed that forces defensive backs to quickly retreat and panic, but he can also snap his routes off and then create yards after the catch on underneath patterns. His reliable hands were on full display at the East-West Shrine Game practices, including when he came down with a nice one-handed grab during the second day. Teams that miss out on some earlier-round speed options could take a close look at Bonds on Day 3.
6. Keenan Isaac, CB, Alabama State*
7. Darius Hagans, RB, Virginia State*
8. Emanuel Wilson, RB, Fort Valley State*
9. Kemari Averett, TE, Bethune-Cookman* HT: 6-foot-5 | WT: 260 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: Late Day 3/UDFA
Averett started his career at Louisville before settling into his own in Daytona Beach, Florida at Bethune-Cookman. He quickly became the go-to target for the Wildcats' offense and finished his two-year stint with 1,333 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns. It has been a long road in the collegiate ranks for the big bodied tight end -- consider that he caught his first career touchdown from Lamar Jackson during the 2017 season.
Averett helped himself during a productive week at the NFLPA Collegiate Bowl, where he showcased body control and strong hands. He has the makings of a depth option early in his pro career, and NFL teams will be intrigued by his red-zone upside.
10. Dallas Daniels, WR, Jackson State HT: 5-foot-10 | WT: 176 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: UDFA
Daniels spent two seasons in the junior college ranks (2018 and 2019) before transferring to Western Illinois. He finished 2022 with 61 catches for 657 yards and six touchdowns, lining up in multiple alignments. Despite the limited production, he was one of the biggest standouts at the East-West Shrine Bowl. With strong hands and quick feet in his routes, Daniels could be a slot option for teams as a priority undrafted free agent.
Smith is an explosive three-level threat and has spent most of his time out of the slot. I saw him live against FBS competition during the season-opener at North Carolina, when he caught 10 balls for 78 yards. Over the course of his college career, Smith posted 2,893 receiving yards and 25 TDs and provided value as a return specialist. Smith could be a popular priority undrafted free agent target for multiple teams.
After Monday's HBCU combine, one area scout told me, "I thought he easily looked the best of any prospect participating here, and I had him running in the high 4.3s in the 40."
12. Andrew Farmer II, DE, Lane* HT: 6-foot-3 | WT: 260 pounds | Class: Senior Projected draft range: UDFA
One of the more productive defenders in the Division II ranks, Farmer capped off an impressive two-year run that included 44 tackles for loss and 17.5 sacks. His game centers around effort, heavy hands and craftiness as a pass-rusher, and he has the burst and finishing ability to overwhelm blockers and close on QBs. Farmer will likely start his career as a designated pass-rusher as he continues to learn how to consistently play the run, but his production will definitely intrigue teams.
Pryor finished his college career with 77 career tackles for loss and 32 sacks. He plays multiple positions along the defensive line but is best projected to be a base defensive end in a 4-3 defense at the next level. His weight has fluctuated over the past few years, and scouts want to see his number stabilize as he enters an NFL strength and conditioning program. But his ability to generate pressure has remained constant during his time in the CIAA, and his effort has caught the eye of many scouts.
2023 NFL offseason needs: AFC North priorities for Ravens, Bengals, Browns and Steelers ahead of free agency
Could JuJu Smith-Schuster join forces with his former team's biggest rival?
By Bryan DeArdo Feb 20, 2023 at 5:10 pm ET • Consistency and competition are two words that come to mind regarding the AFC North division. In 2022, the teams finished in the same order that they had in 2021, with the Bengals winning the crown, the Ravens settling for runner-up, the Steelers coming in third and the Browns taking up the rear. Each team went 3-3 in the AFC North in what continues to be one of the best divisions in football.
The division's two best teams played in an epic wild card showdown that was decided by Sam Hubbard's 98-yard fumble return for a score. In what could be a foreshadow of things to come, the Ravens played that game without Lamar Jackson, whose future in Baltimore has and will continue to be a hot-button topic.
They didn't make the playoffs, but the Steelers did go 9-8 while running their streak of non-losing seasons to 19. Pittsburgh went 7-2 down the stretch on the strength of T.J. Watt's return, Minkah Fitzpatrick's All-Pro exploits and Kenny Pickett's improved play during his rookie season. For a 33rd straight year, the Steelers finished ahead of the Browns, who suffered their second straight losing season despite boasting one of the league's best rushing attacks.
With free agency just weeks away, here's a look at the biggest needs for each AFC North team.
Note: Projected cap space is courtesy of Over the Cap.
Baltimore Ravens Top needs: WR, CB, EDGE, LG, QB Cap space: $24.3M (9th) Top draft picks: No. 23, No. 86
Baltimore's first order of business is figuring out the future of Jackson, who could find himself playing elsewhere next season if he and the Ravens do not agree on a long-term deal. The Ravens would surely get a hefty return if they trade him (which would require him getting franchise tagged again), but Baltimore would obviously prefer to keep the former league MVP.
Regardless of what happens at quarterback, the Ravens needs to upgrade their receiving corps. DJ Chark, Allen Lazard and JuJu Smith-Schuster (who Baltimore showed interest in recently) would be solid free agent options.
The Ravens may need to replace possible free agents in cornerbacks Marcus Peters and Kyle Fuller, defensive ends Justin Houston and Jason Pierre-Paul, and starting left guard Ben Powers. Possible free agent options at cornerback include current Eagle James Bradberry and longtime Steeler Cam Sutton. Longtime Colts Matt Pryor, a versatile lineman who played both tackle and guard in Indianapolis, would be a solid addition to the Ravens' offensive line.
Former Brown Jadeveon Clowney and fellow journeyman Yannick Ngakoue are two free agent options at defensive end. Veteran outside backers Elandon Roberts, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, and 33-year-old Melvin Ingram could be summoned to Baltimore once free agency begins.
Cincinnati Bengals Top needs: S, ILB, OT, CB, RB Cap space: $35.6M (6th) Top draft picks: No. 28, No. 60
Each of the Bengals' needs are manageable. Cincinnati drafted Daxton Hill last year in the event that Jessie Bates III departed this offseason. Hill is in line to start, but the Bengals would be wise to bring in a veteran to back him up. The Bengals may also be in the market for a new starting strong safety if Vonn Bell departs this offseason. Duron Harmon, who had two picks and two forced fumbles for the Raiders last year, could be an option here.
There will also be an opening at inside linebacker with the expected departure of Germaine Pratt. Fortunately for Cincinnati, there are several solid options here in free agency that include longtime Buccaneer Lavonte David, former Colt/Brown Anthony Walker Jr. former Steelers first-round pick Devin Bush and former Bills first-round pick Tremaine Edmunds, among others.
The Bengals heavily invested in their offensive line last offseason, and it led to vastly better protection for Joe Burrow before injuries finally caught up to them in the AFC Championship Game. That being said, with La'el Collins coming off an injury and with Jonah Williams entering the final year of his rookie deal, it wouldn't hurt to add to the outside of their offensive line. Andre Dillard, the Eagles' former first-round pick who recently played in the Super Bowl, would be a good free agent fit.
Cornerback isn't a pressing concern, given Cam Taylor-Britt's emergence as a rookie. Eli Apple is a free agent, though, and with Chidobe Awuzie coming off an injury, the Bengals should try to add to this position. If he doesn't re-sign with Minnesota, veteran Patrick Peterson would make sense given he remains a highly productive player who may be willing to take less money to play for a title contender.
The Bengals' high-powered offense may be in need of replenishments at running back. Third-down specialist Samaje Perine is a free agent, and former Pro Bowler Joe Mixon could be a cap casualty. Look for the Bengals to spend a relatively high draft pick on a running back if they part with Mixon. A good free agent option here could be Jamaal Williams, who ran for 17 touchdowns with the Lions last year. This is assuming that Williams doesn't re-sign with Detroit.
Possible free agent options to replace the potential departure of Perine include former Pro Bowler Kareem Hunt, a versatile player who with the Chiefs led the league in rushing during his rookie season.
Cleveland Browns Team needs: WR, ILB, DT, DE, CB Cap space: $-13.4M (23rd) Top draft picks: No. 43
The Browns reportedly plan to open things up next season. Cleveland will likely attack the position in both free agency and in the draft. In a perfect world, the Browns would reunite Deshaun Watson with DeAndre Hopkins, but the Browns don't have the assets to make that happen. Cleveland could, however, try to reunite Watson with two of his other top targets from his Houston days: Will Fuller and Brandin Cooks. Cooks is under contract, though, so the Browns would have to give up something in order to bring him to Cleveland.
Walker is one of several Browns linebackers set to enter free agency. The Browns could try to fill one of those openings with Bush, who had a promising start to his career in Pittsburgh before suffering a serious knee injury in 2020. Bush had a rocky 2021 season but rebounded with a solid 2022 campaign.
Cleveland will have to replace Clowney and fellow starter Taven Bryan assuming Bryan doesn't re-sign. A solid option to replace Bryan could be Khalen Saunders, who won his second ring with the Chiefs after enjoying his best season to date in 2022. Saunders ended his fourth season in the NFL with a sack of Jalen Hurts in the Super Bowl.
Pittsburgh Steelers Team needs: NT, DE, DT, OT, ILB, CB, WR Cap space: $81,000 (17th) Top draft picks: No. 17, No. 32, No. 49
Pittsburgh's inability to stop the run late in the fourth quarter cost them several games during the first half of the 2022 season. The Steelers will undoubtedly address this issue by adding some new blood to their defensive line.
The team will likely try to keep Larry Ogunjobi, who played well in his first season in Pittsburgh. But the Steelers will try to find a true nose tackle after prioritizing other needs in recent years. Look for them to address this need during the draft. Javon Hargrave, a former Steeler who recorded a career-high 11 sacks for the Eagles last year, would be a big addition to Pittsburgh's defensive line if they are willing to spend.
Dan Moore Jr., the Steelers' starting left tackle, continues to show signs of promise. But the Steelers don't have much depth behind him, so it would make sense to either draft or bring in a veteran to back up him and starting RT Chukwuma Okorafor. Don't be surprised to see the Steelers use a considerably high draft pick on this position after using free agency to address the interior of their offensive line last year.
Insider linebacker isn't too much of a concern given that the Steelers can probably re-sign Robert Spillane before the start of free agency. Even if they do that, the Steelers will still add to this area given the fact that Bush has played his last down for the Steelers. Speaking of free agents, the Steelers will need to replace starting cornerback Sutton if he isn't re-signed. Sutton's replacement could be Penn State cornerback Joey Porter Jr. if he is available when the Steelers are on the clock with the 17th overall pick.
The Steelers ended up with the 32nd overall pick after deciding that Chase Claypool was expendable before last year's trade deadline. Pittsburgh made due with Steven Sims replacing Claypool in the starting lineup, so Pittsburgh isn't desperate for a receiver. But they will likely add one via the draft in order to give Pickett another weapon while giving them more options in the event that Diontae Johnson leaves after his new contract expires. Look for receiver to be among the Steelers' first three positions they address during the draft, along with cornerback and offensive tackle.
Another defensive line free agent option is off the board
Jacob Roach February 25, 2023 8:35 pm ET
The New Orleans Saints are keeping some of their talents from hitting the marking after signing Tanoh Kpassagnon to a contract extension. Kpassagnon was a possible option to be paired with Myles Garrett with the Cleveland Browns next season that is off the table. A role player that was effective as both a pass rusher and a run defender that could have benefited from the attention that Garrett gets.
There are still plenty of options for the Browns to make rebuild their defensive line as the Saints continue to manipulate the cap. The NFL combine starts shortly with free agency to follow as the NFL offseason kicks into full gear.
And that's the thing about trying to project the FA market while discussing signing players well before the FA signing period begins. It's pretty much an exercise in futility. That list won't look anything like it did to begin with. There will be more signings that will change the available choices at all positions before the FA signing period on March 15th.
You're allowed to talk about anything you wish. Unlike some I'm not trying to place restrictions on you. I'm just pointing out my opinion on the subject. It appears that's not okay with you. Color me shocked.
THERE IT IS, another thread hijacking and another shot at a person just making a legitimate post about Pure Football relative to the thread. Another thread hijacked, same attempt to force an agenda, response on cue, and just you being you again!
I'm curious, do we know exactly how the salary cap will affect us in 2025? Is that an exercise in futility, as well?
How about Watson's next contract? Are we sure we know exactly what will happen 4 years from now? That isn't an exercise in futility?
Yet, you and steve spend countless time on those subjects and then dismiss talk about something that is right around the corner as an exercise in futility. You fool almost no one w/your schtick.
With the upgrades not available through player ac@uistion they will have to come from coaching improvements during the games, and since all of those are needed on offense the fact the Browns are staying with the exact offensive staff means they either could have done it before, the improvement, or that we have to believe they will try something new out of the blue.
Yet you have option of not reading the post or even better yet ignoring and not responding. Instead, you'd rather attack with your constant negativity because it doesn't meet your personal agenda or your belief that you have been appointed the single member of the thread police. Talking about someone trying to fool the board with their schtick - look in the mirror.
I'm curious, do we know exactly how the salary cap will affect us in 2025? Is that an exercise in futility, as well?
How about Watson's next contract? Are we sure we know exactly what will happen 4 years from now? That isn't an exercise in futility?
Yet, you and steve spend countless time on those subjects and then dismiss talk about something that is right around the corner as an exercise in futility. You fool almost no one w/your schtick.
The difference is I don't tell you what you should or shouldn't post the way you do to others. I'm not sure what part of this you missed....
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You're allowed to talk about anything you wish. Unlike some I'm not trying to place restrictions on you. I'm just pointing out my opinion on the subject.
I guess you are right. Reading is hard. Speaking of your schtick.
Throw you are entitled to your opinion, but I believe that if we had better coaching on D and ST this past season our record would have been reversed and we would have made the playoffs. JMO
I won't disagree with you but there is something to consider. How do the players that were on the roster in 2022 fit with what the new ST's coach and new DC schemes and plans? There will certainly be a shuffling of the deck in terms of roster turnover for the 2023 season as is true with all NFL teams. I think it's safe to say with that said the players that will be different will certainly be chosen to fit into the schemes and plans that both the new DC and ST's coach have in mind to fill the need to improve their respective units performance.
While I certainly don't claim to know the answer, I do know that when you try to fit a square peg into a round hole that doesn't work. That's why a lot of us hate turnover in coaches and why I think teams sometimes give NFL coordinators time to try to right the ship. They acquire talent to fit what those coordinators run and when you have a turnover at the HC, OC and DC positions those requirements often times change the type of players you need in a retooling of the roster to fit what the new guy/people run. I will say that in the case if Schwartz he does run the same 4-3 style but yet still somewhat different.
Woods used the single gap technique where each lineman has a gap responsibility to stop the run. Schwartz by contrast uses the double gap technique up front against the run. It has the DL attack the OL player to distinguish whether he is run blocking or pass blocking according to his reaction to the contact and for the DL player to react accordingly. There are other differences that will come into play but you have to consider your roster with your schemes. As I said, I can't say how that would have worked out last season with the roster at the current time. But here's an explanation that gives you some details about what I was referring to that's not overcomplicated in detail. The article eludes to bringing in player who know that style of scheme.
Browns: Will Jim Schwartz adopt an easy defensive line scheme?
When it comes to both the DC ans ST's coaches for the Browns, there was certainly a change needed. I don't think there was really a choice at that point in time. That's the thing about consistency. It only works if it breeds success. You have to give it time to work. But when it's clear it isn't working, a change is the only alternative left. How long you give it and where that line is drawn is subjective and varies from person to person. I think the changes that were made were at the right time and in the right areas. Here's to hoping they work out as well on the field as they look on parer.
This is a very good article. Best to use the link for videos, charts, etc. Here is the text.
OBR Free Agent Probability Rating: DT, David Onyemata
ByJAKE BURNS Feb 28, 3:53 PM
Welcome to the latest OBR series as we approach NFL free agency where we will be spending time providing you with the best options for the Cleveland Browns by rating those about to hit the market. We will be rating them in three categories. First, analytics grade where we look at the raw data in their NFL career to see how productive they have been and whether the numbers match the perception. Second, we will judge the film of the player where we look at some of their reps to establish if the fit is there within the Browns scheme and just how good they are on the field. Lastly, and very importantly, we will score them on their prospects against the cap situation the Browns have coming up. All of this is a way to give you a sense of the fit between the Browns and free agency's biggest names at positions of need. Each prospect will receive a score out of 10 -- obviously, zero means it is impossible to see with the Browns and 10 is basically a lock free agent they pursue.
Ebuka "David" Onyemata was born on November 13, 1992. In Lagos, Nigeria, Onyemata went to the Chrisland Schools. He did not play football until college, having played soccer until then. In 2018, he participated in the New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame golf event in New Orleans and Biloxi, Mississippi. In the 2019 offseason, he attended a football camp at the Ochsner Sports Performance Center for kids from St. Michael's Special School. In addition, in 2019, he participated in "#DoRight4LA Day with the New Orleans Saints and Dudley DeBosier," helping with teams to do exterior home upgrades.
In his debut year of organized football, he appeared in seven games and had 11 tackles, four for loss, and a one-half sack. As a sophomore, he had 53 tackles, six for loss, 1.5 sacks, and one pass defended while starting all 11 games at nose tackle.
As a junior, he started all eight conference games and had 3.5 tackles for loss and 1.5 sacks as part of 28 total tackles. He played in 11 games, starting ten games as a nose tackle, and had 52 tackles and 2.5 sacks. In nine games, all of which he started at nose tackle, he had 50 stops, five sacks, one pass defended, a forced fumble, and a fumble recovery. He finished his career with 166 tackles, 9.5 sacks, two passes defended, one forced fumble, and one fumble recovery in 37 career games at the University of Manitoba, becoming the program's first draftee. As a senior, he was selected a Canada West all-star for the second consecutive season, an all-Canadian for the first time. In addition, he was awarded the J.P. Metras Trophy as the finest CIS football down lineman. With five sacks in eight league games, he was second in the conference and ninth in the nation, and he was second in Canada West in tackles for a loss (7.5) and 12th in total tackles (38.5).
He was picked to participate in the East-West Shrine game. With a unique combination of size and speed and the ability to play multiple defensive line positions, this Lagos, Nigeria native earned a spot on New Orleans' defensive line rotation during his rookie season. Onyemata was the first player drafted from the Bisons' program when he was selected in the fourth round by the Saints and graded out as an elite athlete at his position.
Onyemata received a three-year extension from the Saints in the 2020 offseason following a promising rookie contract performance. He continued to thrive as a member of the Saints' formidable defensive front, which ranked first in the NFL in red zone defense, starting 11 games and recording 34 tackles (12 solo), 2.0 sacks, and his first career fumble recovery. He has emerged as a dominant force for the Saints with his only blemish being a six-game suspension at the start of 2021 for performance-enhancing drugs. He will play in 2023 at 30 years old.
ANALYTICS RATING (2/2) Onyemata ranked in the top 10 of all interior defenders in PFF grade for both the 2020 and 2021 seasons but fell off a bit in 2022 to a 52nd overall finish. The veteran has generated 30+ quarterback pressures in six out of the last seven seasons, which is where he provides the most value. Looking back to his most recent campaign in 2022, he had a 12.7 pass-rush win rate and 5.5 pass-rush productivity, both of which finished in the top-25 of the 74 qualifiers at the position.
FILM STUDY RATING (3/4) Onyemata is a fun study if you want the Browns to fix their run defense. He plays physical at the point of attack with a keen understanding of how to stack his man and then shed him with a variety of power and speed moves once he notices where the ball carrier is dictating their path. He had 26 stop tackles last year and despite the dip in grading still stood out on film for his ability to anchor his gap and use his hustle to make plays outside his normal reach.
Onyemata is an effective pass rusher, but not elite and it is safe to wonder if he is on a downward trend in this category. He can get home to the quarterback but on too many snaps he leans into his man attempting power moves without a plan if his initial bull rush is absorbed. His pressure numbers have been consistently in the 30s each year outside of a 49 number in 2021.
SALARY CAP RATING (4/4) Contract Projection: $7.5m a year
For me, the most expensive they go for is $6-8m on their most expensive defensive tackle, and pair him with a slightly cheaper one in the $3-4m range. It would be a two-year deal which is important so they can have an out in the deal. Andrew Berry pays for pass rush so he is likely to be high on his list if he is willing to spend.
FINAL RATING
Onyemata receives a 9/10 grade from the OBR with a VERY high probability of pursuit. The combination of his age being just 30, his contract being more than feasible for the Browns budget, and their need for more run defense prowess without losing too much as a pass rusher is the ideal fit.
A'Shawn Robinson is the vet DL I'd like to see them target. Though some of that may be influenced by past draft prep. I think as far as improving run defense and bang for the buck he'd be a good fit.
I'll probably change my mind more than once, but I kinda like a combination of Zach Allen as a mid-level cost guy and Sheldon Rankins on the cheap. If we draft a guy like Benton from Wisconsin, than Rankins won't be needed. If we go DE, I'm looking at a cheaper signing like Justin Houston and drafting a guy like Felix Anudike-Uzomah, while developing Wright and Thomas to be part of the rotation.
Julian Love could be a potential John Johnson replacement. Former CB who is starting to settle in at S. Led the Giants in tackles last season and graded well in coverage per PFF.
Julian Love could be a potential John Johnson replacement. Former CB who is starting to settle in at S. Led the Giants in tackles last season and graded well in coverage per PFF.
If you are interested, I posted this information on Love when talking about FA safeties in another thread.
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7. S JULIAN LOVE, NEW YORK GIANTS Contract projection: Available in PFF's free agency rankings
Love offers a diverse skill set as a defensive back who can serve as a ballhawk in the deep third and make plays down in the box. He was also a player the New York Giants trusted in the slot. He played by far the most snaps in his career in 2022 (1,006) and earned a career-high 71.5 coverage grade in the process.
Love is a good tackler in space, with his 80 tackles in 2022 the seventh most among safeties and his six missed tackles the second-fewest among safeties in the top 25 in total tackles.
It's posts like this that allow me to talk about the salary cap because in reality, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. You cannot add FA players, trade for players, or draft players without it having an effect on the Browns salary cap. That's why the cap gets mentioned in almost every thread whether by me or in this case you or some other forum poster. I get you don't like it but it's a reality that cannot be ignored.
Is Eagles DT Javon Hargrave the ideal free agent for the Browns?
Cory Kinnan March 8, 2023 1:23 pm ET
As NFL free agency nears, the Cleveland Browns will look to be aggressive in signing both cheap depth pieces, and some big-named starters to jumpstart their roster back into playoff contention. And as we approach the frenzy, ESPN has named Javon Hargrave, defensive tackle for the Philadelphia Eagles, as the free agent the Browns must sign.
ESPN had this to say about the pairing of the Browns and Hargrave:
“If Jim Schwartz is your defensive coordinator, you need to be able to get to the quarterback with four guys. If you want to get to the quarterback with four guys, you need strong pass-rushers in the interior. Enter Hargrave, who had 11 sacks last season and a pass rush win rate (PRWR) of 17.2% when lined up in the interior (third in the NFL). There’s also familiarity, as Schwartz’s time as defensive coordinator in Philadelphia crossed over with Hargrave’s time with the team in 2020.”
Free agency is set to begin next week. It will be interesting to see how it pans out for the Browns.
It's posts like this that allow me to talk about the salary cap because in reality, IT MAKES A DIFFERENCE. You cannot add FA players, trade for players, or draft players without it having an effect on the Browns salary cap. That's why the cap gets mentioned in almost every thread whether by me or in this case you or some other forum poster. I get you don't like it but it's a reality that cannot be ignored.
That's where you're wrong. The ignore user option is for precisely this situation.
Which coaches/execs did the 49ers get their 3rd rounders for? Nevermind. Think I figured out. Forgot/didn't realize that teams get the picks in 2 drafts (potentially 3 in a row if they lose a HC and a GM in the same season?)
Originally Posted by PFT
(i) The employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its Head Coach or Primary Football Executive (General Manager) shall receive Draft choice compensation in the form of a compensatory Draft pick in the third round in each of the next two Drafts for an employee hired as either a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive, or for the next three Drafts if it has two employees hired for both positions. The reference to the hiring of employees into “both positions” could be by the same club or different clubs. The following will apply to the Draft choice compensation: a. Any compensatory Draft picks awarded pursuant to this Policy will be at the end of the third round following all compensatory Draft picks awarded to clubs pursuant to Appendix V of the NFL-NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement. b. If multiple clubs are awarded compensatory Draft picks pursuant to this Policy, then the order of those picks at the end of the third round will follow the original selection order for that Draft established prior to any trades or other adjustments.
(ii) The employer-club shall be eligible to receive this Draft choice compensation if: a. The minority employee hired as a Head Coach or Primary Football Executive has been employed by the employer-club for a minimum of two full seasons; and b. The minority employee is not the Head Coach or Primary Football Executive of the employer-club and is hired into the same position with the new club. There can be no break in employment between clubs.
49ers receive seven compensatory draft picks Posted by Josh Alper on March 9, 2023, 5:32 PM EST
The NFL announced on Thursday that 37 compensatory draft picks have been doled out for this year’s draft and the 49ers picked up seven selections in the process.
Four of the 49ers’ new picks come as a result of the NFL’s formula awarding picks to teams that have a net loss in free agents. The other three picks are a result of the league’s initiative that awards picks to the prior employer-club of a minority employee who has been hired by another club as its head coach or primary football executive. Jets head coach Robert Saleh, Commanders General Manager Martin Mayhew, Dolphins head coach Mike McDaniel, Texans head coach DeMeco Ryans, and Titans General Manager Ran Carthon have left the Niners in the last three years.
All three of those 49ers picks are third-rounders. The Browns and Chiefs also received third round selections via that route and the Rams joined the 49ers in picking up four overall picks because of their free agent losses.
All 37 picks are listed below:
Third Round 96. Arizona 97. Washington 98. Cleveland 99. San Francisco 100. Kansas City 101. San Francisco 102. San Francisco
Fourth Round 135. New England
Fifth Round 167. Rams 168. Arizona 169. Dallas 170. Green Bay 171. Rams 172. Giants 173. San Francisco 174. Las Vegas 175. Tampa Bay 176. Dallas 177. Rams
Sixth Round 210. New England 211. Minnesota 212. Dallas 213. Arizona 214. Las Vegas 215. Washington 216. San Francisco 217. Kansas City
Seventh Round 250. Kansas City 251. Rams 252. Tampa Bay 253. San Francisco 254. Giants 255. San Francisco 256. Green Bay 257. New Orleans 258. Chicago 259. Houston
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