The QB Carousel is locked and while many moves have occurred, there are still moves to be made. QBs are the centerpiece of the NFL and are worth watching. The Lamar and Rodgers watch are at the top of the list.
I like my popcorn with extra butter
Poor Rats and Packers... couldn't have happened to two nicer teams...
Not much of a popcorn person like my parents though like it all the same. No salt or butter for me.
"Getting something done..." could have multiple meanings.
The Jets have a very talented team. They are also extremely young. Douglas has done a magnificent job in NY. However, if you really think about it.....Lamar would be a much better option. He's over a decade younger. Rodgers brings constant drama to the team and will almost certainly put the retirement talk on the table yet again next year. Just saying.
This situation in Baltimore is fascinating to me.
First Lamar staying or going is important to the Browns. Lamar wins games. He is not a quarterback any defense enjoys playing.
Lamar has no agent. Removing that filter has an impact on these negotiations. Agents advise players. Players listen to them. Agents want to get deals done.
But agents also act as a filter. They keep the player in the loop but they filter negativity. They take emotion out. They are connected to all teams. They have long term relationships with teams because they have done many deals in the league.
Lamar had a guy approach teams. The NFL said you can not listen to this guys he is not licensed. Lamar saw DW get paid and he had no relationship with the Browns prior. Lamar feels he has done everything he can do for the Baltimore organization.
Lamar saw Kyle Murray get a five year deal for $230m with $160m guaranteed. What has he done compared to what Lamar has done in Baltimore? Then Murray gets hurt.
There is no way Lamar does not feel slighted. He has no deal. It only takes one hit to end a career.
Lamar comes out and says "I want to be traded; the Ravens have not been interested in meeting my value."
This is not an overnight situation. This is years inside this team. The players know Lamar. They know he could have played in the playoffs last year. They know Lamar feels disrespected.
IMO Lamar is prepared to hold out. He saw DW hold out. He has seen Rodgers control his situation. He saw Murray get his money.
Unless Baltimore gives him what he wants. IMO he will never take another snap in Baltimore.
Those numbers are insane.
Poor Rats and Packers... couldn't have happened to two nicer teams...
My hatred of the Ravens really took root when the Browns were playing their 3rd string QB (S Wynn, I think) because of injuries and the Ravens had a really large lead. Billick was all out blitzing with a very big lead late in the 4th quarter and our QB was getting killed. IIRC, we didn't even have another QB to out in the game. I just thought it was a piece of crap move.
I believe the Packers' GM over Rodgers. I figured Rodgers didn't announce his intention to play for the Jets until he went on McAfee's show so he could control the narrative and paint the Packers as the bad guys. History tells us that version is highly unlikely.
After the contract we gave DW every top QB's agent will use that as the benchmark. There will be more contentiousness in these negotiations IMO. And If DW doesn't play as well as expected you'll probably see some 2nd tier QB's asking for more based on his contract. I guess we opened a new era in QB salaries.
Clearly, Lamar Jackson's frustration level is rising. After Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons, was asked about why not go after Jackson after they tried for Watson last year? Blank said something about "different player, different time." He talked about Atlanta's talent and how they liked Ridder. He also talked Lamar's style of play and how he has missed games the last two years and how that was important in the NFL.
Lamar fired back w/a couple of tweets.
Please...please...please...let the Ravens sign him to a 10 year, Billion $$$ deal. Please.
We definitely set the mark for QB guaranteed money didn't we? LOL Well we were laughed at all these years by other organizations. We changed that emotion to anger. Too bad. Now all we have to do is win and shut them up!
I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.
I hope that Lamar goes to an NFC team. I hope he doesn't stay in Baltimore. I hope he doesn't go to Indy. Lamar is a winner. The AFC is loaded w/excellent, young QBs and are about to add Rodgers. He's old, but he is still elite.
The Browns have upgraded their talent this off-season, but the road to the Conference Championship is extremely hard. Get Lamar the heck out of the conference.
Hurting the Ravens in any way is a good thing. Hope he goes to the NFC also.
It would be great to get Lamar out of the AFC.
I go back and forth with how it ends.
Negotiations are always tricky. Until a contract is signed it is not over.
The Ravens letting him go is like giving up at least 2 years. Really hard to let money get in the way of a 26 year old player who can do what Lamar can do.
The Ravens can match an offer. At the last minute they can offer more. They have to say to themselves "we need to move on."
Lamar has to be dead set on leaving and refuse to play.
So, him leaving is not a for sure thing.
j/c
In general I think Lamar is an electric athlete who has shown he can win games in the NFL. I heard somewhere he has missed 25% of games the last two seasons. As a running QB he's only going to slow down with age and with injuries be they niggly or serious. Because he is such a unique running threat he is difficult to play against and scheme for - although with JOK in theory we have an excellent foil. I am not surprised teams haven't given him what he thinks he is worth in terms of the size of a guaranteed contract, and I think part of that might well be lack of an agent and him representing himself. I'm personally ambivalent on whether he plays for the Ravens or not - in some ways I think signing a guy onto a huge contract that I think will slow down and be less dynamic as the years go on could hurt them more than them becoming a more rounded team without him. I thought Greg Roman did wonders for Lamar - in many ways it would be interesting to see how LJ does without Greg calling the offense and designing the O around him.
I was a complete skeptic when he was drafted.
He proved me wrong to the max. He is a determined man. He does not doubt himself. I am sure in his mind he feels he is worth as much as anyone getting payed to play football. He wins games.
You don't walk from a 26 year old MVP qb with his record if your goal is to win.
Myself I want him in the NFC. The draft doesn't mean crap when drafting a qb. You never know how a prospect is going to play.
The Ravens have built a winning team with Lamar. He gives them a chance to win a SB.
The Ravens getting draft picks and having money to spend gives them nothing but hope.
Huntley in 2021 played really well - I thought they looked a more complete team with Huntley than Lamar. 2022 Huntley was no where near as good. I think he'd be the front runner and what you would get with him is an unknown.
I agree that based on how you break it down - Ravens should pay Lamar and keep him. But it's a business decision - how much $$$ to you part with? Do you give him Watson money and contract? Do you give him Murray contract and money? Murray is no where near as proven a commodity as Lamar in my eyes and it's not even close - I'd take Lamar 7 days a week and twice on Sunday .... Murray was grossly overpaid - but it's a line in the sand. Is Lamar worth that and the impact it has on the rest of your team/cap? If it was that clear cut of a choice I think you'd already see multiple teams making moves but we don't see that or hear that.
Having been in big ticket sales for over thirty years. I learned it is never over till a contract is signed.
The Ravens could say here is three years for X guaranteed. Will that work for you?
Until then it can get testy.
If they really say to each other. It is over. Then he will sign a tender and the Ravens will open up for the highest bidder.
My guess right now is he will be a Raven.
Ya never know with a guy like Lamar and no agent. He could get emotional and want a divorce.
I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.
His strategy was after watson made it plain he wasn't coming to Cleveland, he made a last ditch effort to outbid everyone else for watson. If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.
I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.
His strategy was after watson made it plain he wasn't coming to Cleveland, he made a last ditch effort to outbid everyone else for watson. If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.
Because every one in business knows you over offer on the first offer. Sound strategy there.
My look for Baker Mayfield news brought that the Rafvens tried to sign him before he signed with the Buccs.
so in the last I2 months he' been linked to being wanted by the, Panthers, Rams, 49ers, Buccaneers, and now the Ravens, and the niners were bidding against one I've forgot.
J/c
I think GB will receive two 2’s for Rodgers, and that’s probably fair. The ship has sailed
My look for Baker Mayfield news brought that the Rafvens tried to sign him before he signed with the Buccs.
so in the last I2 months he' been linked to being wanted by the, Panthers, Rams, 49ers, Buccaneers, and now the Ravens, and the niners were bidding against one I've forgot.
To be honest, I was the other one.
Our team is excellent with keeping information in house. We tried to get his agent to take E-1 pay, but he was very persistent on being a Private First Class. He had all the qualities I was looking for as a Guidon bearer in front of our formations. He had experience of holding and planting a flag/guidon. All our previous guidon bearers tend to be too tall and I can't see all our Soldiers when addressing the formation. So height wasn't a problem. Also, you hold the guidon in your right hand, so no issues with that non-holding hand/shoulder. He would've went places.
But in the end, he chose to be a pirate, ...I mean Buccaneer over being a Soldier. You win some, you lose some
I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.
His strategy was after watson made it plain he wasn't coming to Cleveland, he made a last ditch effort to outbid everyone else for watson. If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.
Because every one in business knows you over offer on the first offer. Sound strategy there.
No, it's not over after the first offer. If you want that player bad enough you'll pull up the Brinks truck like the Browns did. But that was their last ditch effort to get watson after he said he wasn't coming here and not some strategy to screw the other owners.
This is correct and how it went down - Watson said no, Berry/Haslam found a way to open the door back up for Watson to sign here. Assuming we landed a top 5 QB - it was a hell of a move and a coup considering Watson had eliminated us from contention (it was reported 3 other teams met the HOU trade requirements and were consideration for Watson). The contract might have a side affect of messing with other teams negotiations with their FQB - it was not an intentional part of the process/thinking, not in my opinion or any sport writer/commentator that I trust.
No, it's not over after the first offer. If you want that player bad enough you'll pull up the Brinks truck like the Browns did. But that was their last ditch effort to get watson after he said he wasn't coming here and not some strategy to screw the other owners.
What are you even arguing? Nobody said it was either or. They did it to get Watson AND make the other owners pay for their qb.
If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.
Because every one in business knows you over offer on the first offer. Sound strategy there.
No, it's not over after the first offer. If you want that player bad enough you'll pull up the Brinks truck like the Browns did. But that was their last ditch effort to get watson after he said he wasn't coming here and not some strategy to screw the other owners.
I wonder, do you ever pay attention to the things you post?
. Assuming we landed a top 5 QB -
How in the world expletative is D Watson a top five @uarterback on a good day?
given that day would be hampered by the offensive coaches and le.. AND league bias' against Cleveland.
Lets go top ONE @uarterback.
I. I think Patrick Mahomes takes it, .
Let's just tell me AFC only,
AFC ONLY and tell me where you can confidently say one by one that D. Watson is the next best.
Every AFC @b minus Mahommes who is the best?
I think if you take the AFC, and look for a top five @b spot for Watson today,
they'd take Mahommes first, 2nd would be Cincy @uarterback. in their current situations
I could see if those 2 didn't exist then Jaguar @b Trevor Lawrence could be #3
Then, if you caveat that health keeps Tua from playing a large part of the year,
If you assume that R. Wilson continues to struggle,
Josh Allen could be agreed to be the 4th @b in the AFC, now how do you get D. Watson at top five.
If you totally discount the Jets and Ravens either one getting a bump from either Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rogers
If you forget about Derek Carr now being out of the AFC,
If you pretend the Charger @uarterback isn't very good,
If you negate anything from the Titans @uarterback Tannehill,
then
for #five in the AFC you'd have a neck and neck battle of Garoppolo and D. Watson from the Raiders and Browns.
In reality I think they got a top nine @uarterback in the AFC, maybe a top I4 in the whole NFL who knows, saying he's top won't change anything.
and
Me claiming he's not top Five can't stop him from being top five if that is what he is.
Can he play better than Baker Mayfield would have.
. Assuming we landed a top 5 QB -
How in the world expletative is D Watson a top five @uarterback on a good day?
The assumption is that DW will return to elite performance.... It is not based on how he played after two years out of rhe game and in a season dealing with all his legal woes.... We will see.
I've already given him credit for what you called a "return to elite performance" for "this" year, which I think he showed in his first "good" game he played last year.
I only consider what you'd call his return to previous performance when I think how he will play this year and in the future.
He is already back to form, and being back to form it's ...
I pay attention to what I post. I mean before someone tries to twist it. My point was that if how this deal was constructed was some scheme to put other teams in a bind for future QB contracts that would have been their method from the very beginning. The timeline of events tells the story. Only after watson made it public he was not coming to the Browns did they back up the Brinks truck. The strategy was to get watson at all costs. Maybe reading slower would help you.
I pay attention to what I post. I mean before someone tries to twist it. My point was that if how this deal was constructed was some scheme to put other teams in a bind for future QB contracts that would have been their method from the very beginning. The timeline of events tells the story. Only after watson made it public he was not coming to the Browns did they back up the Brinks truck. The strategy was to get watson at all costs. Maybe reading slower would help you.
Twisting = quoting you in your entirety and responding to you point. Got it.
So I quoted you correctly and replied to what you said.
Twisting = quoting you in your entirety and responding to you point.
Context = pointing out you said something you didn't think you said and you thinking I should just post what you think I should post.
Next time PM me my replies so I get it right.
It seems as if you are trying to make the point that a last minute desperation offer after watson stated he wasn't coming to Cleveland was some strategy to screw other NFL teams. And the only way you can seem to try and accomplish that is rather than make a case for that is to come at me. Your typical tactic. Somebody needs to PM you something.
Very interesting.
I wonder if the Patriots will become Lamar shoppers?
Just about the perfect back-up at this point, imo.
I'm glad he'll get one last stint before retirement and, hopefully, some coaching opportunities.
I've always rooted for him and wish him the best.
Always liked Hoyer. Josh Gordon was bad news for BH, in 2013 then 2014.
I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.
His strategy was after watson made it plain he wasn't coming to Cleveland, he made a last ditch effort to outbid everyone else for watson. If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.
Because every one in business knows you over offer on the first offer. Sound strategy there.
I look at it as making an offer he couldn't refuse. He has the cash to do it. Watson could be a special QB. Sometimes you want something and you just go get it. If he returns to form, most will never mention his contract. If he is elite, Haslam will look like a smart player.
It's as simple as doing something after the fact is done in desperation, not built on strategy. Watson stated on the record he wasn't coming to Cleveland. If the Browns wanted him they had to quickly fly out there to make an offer he couldn't refuse before he agreed to terms elsewhere. Somehow trying to rewrite history won't change that.
Some people see it as an act of desperation. Others see it as act driven by resolve and determination.
Either way that doesn't explain those that claim it was some strategic move to put other teams in desperate straits signing QB's in the future. But I understand what you're saying. Most things can be spun in opposite directions.
A person can be described as strong willed, determined and laser focused if someone wishes to put a positive spin on a certain character trait. While people wishing to put a negative spin on that same character trait may say that person is stubborn as a jack ass.
It's all about ones perception and perspective I suppose.
Either way that doesn't explain those that claim it was some strategic move to put other teams in desperate straits signing QB's in the future.
Why do you continue to make this argument that does not exist.....boredom? Did anyone say that was the main reason we signed DW? It most likely was a factor playing into the decision and/or it was a pleasant side effect.....but I don't think there's a single person who thinks we signed him for the sole or primary reason to put other teams in "desperate straits signing qb's" as you're saying. I think just about everyone actually agrees with you.....that our FO decided it was worth the last ditch efforts to pay whatever it took to get a qb they feel will make us SB contenders.
And what is your point about it being "the main reason"? Are you trying to suggest it wasn't said many times on this board that this was some strategic move in order to create a terrible situation for other teams? A pleasant side effect makes sense. But a last ditch effort to acquire watson after he publicly stated he wasn't accepting their original offer isn't a strategy about anything other than landing watson.
For some reason it seems you don't want this discussed. For some reason you don't think anyone should make counterpoints to those claims. This is beginning to become a theme around here.
It would seem that with Lamar Jackson the stumblingblock is over the amount of guaranteed $$$ ... And really that is the most important bottomline of any contract. Whether or not he deserves it is debatable for us ... but probably not to Lamar. He wants at the very least 230M guaranteed, which doesn't appear to be a probability as of today. The longer this drags on the more their 2023 season will be setback.
I think your take is accurate.
Free enterprise, the billionaire owners decide what they will pay....DW contract isn't out of whack anymore---IF we get 2020 Texan performance....time will tell.
NFL owners approve bylaw allowing teams to have third quarterback on game day without using active roster spot
The bylaw will reduce the odds of last year's NFC title game repeating itself
NFL owners have approved a bylaw that will allow teams to have a third active quarterback for game days that will not count against their available roster spots, as confirmed by CBS Sports NFL Insider Jonathan Jones.
According to the new bylaws, teams may designate an emergency quarterback who can be activated in the event that the team's first two quarterbacks are either injured or disqualified. The emergency quarterback must exit the game If the medical staff clears either of the injured quarterbacks to return to action. The emergency quarterback would again be eligible to play in the event of another emergency.
Furthermore, a team cannot use an emergency quarterback if three quarterbacks are already on the active game day roster.
The approved bylaw comes less than four months after the 49ers were forced to turn to running back Christian McCaffrey to play quarterback during the NFC Championship game. McCaffrey attempted one pass after both Brock Purdy and Josh Johnson sustained injuries during San Francisco's 31-7 loss in Philadelphia.
The NFL previously had a third-quarterback rule from 1991-2010. Back then, each team was permitted to dress an emergency third quarterback. If the third quarterback came into the game in the first three quarters, their other two quarterbacks were prohibited from re-entering the game.
Jacob Eason, the 49ers' practice squad quarterback last season, likely would have entered last year's NFC title game if San Francisco had the option of using a third quarterback. While it probably wouldn't have changed the outcome, it would have at least given the 49ers an actual quarterback instead of having to turn to McCaffrey.
"I don't know if having a third guy would've [helped], but it would've been a lot better than being in the wildcat for the rest of the game," said 49ers GM John Lynch, via NBC Sports.
While they weren't the beneficiary of it last year, the 49ers can take some solace in inspiring the bylaw that was passed that will greatly reduce the odds of another championship game where a running back is forced to play under center.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...3jFODJWo_T9SI2sn1J03KI-Sb0fJqOY-AIfHSuCk
Good. It needed to be a rule, like forever.
Plus, in a league always searching for QB's, I can't help but think having that guy on the sideline on Sundays, pinned to the HC or OC could only help in their development.
Practice is practice. Being there in real time will be a big benefit, not to mention you do have an emergency QB there and ready to go and don't have to sit there and play wildcat the rest of the game.
I'd like a rule that would mandate all teams use five or more @uarterbacks every game,
now, at first it would take a while to get used to, but, in a little while, many would see how great it would end up.
I'm also becoming more of a fan of,
no field goal attempts allowed in the final minute, only extra points and if there were a def. penalty on the final snap with greater than one minute on the game clock.
Think about how much more wild the endings would be if no FG were allowed in the final minute.
I certainly agree with you. I'm not sure how much different the results of a game would be with your 3rd string QB, but at least he's a QB.