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The QB Carousel is locked and while many moves have occurred, there are still moves to be made. QBs are the centerpiece of the NFL and are worth watching. The Lamar and Rodgers watch are at the top of the list.

I like my popcorn with extra butter

Poor Rats and Packers... couldn't have happened to two nicer teams...

Not much of a popcorn person like my parents though like it all the same. No salt or butter for me.

j/c:

"Getting something done..." could have multiple meanings.

The Jets have a very talented team. They are also extremely young. Douglas has done a magnificent job in NY. However, if you really think about it.....Lamar would be a much better option. He's over a decade younger. Rodgers brings constant drama to the team and will almost certainly put the retirement talk on the table yet again next year. Just saying.

Those numbers are insane.

My hatred of the Ravens really took root when the Browns were playing their 3rd string QB (S Wynn, I think) because of injuries and the Ravens had a really large lead. Billick was all out blitzing with a very big lead late in the 4th quarter and our QB was getting killed. IIRC, we didn't even have another QB to out in the game. I just thought it was a piece of crap move.

I believe the Packers' GM over Rodgers. I figured Rodgers didn't announce his intention to play for the Jets until he went on McAfee's show so he could control the narrative and paint the Packers as the bad guys. History tells us that version is highly unlikely.

After the contract we gave DW every top QB's agent will use that as the benchmark. There will be more contentiousness in these negotiations IMO. And If DW doesn't play as well as expected you'll probably see some 2nd tier QB's asking for more based on his contract. I guess we opened a new era in QB salaries.

Clearly, Lamar Jackson's frustration level is rising. After Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons, was asked about why not go after Jackson after they tried for Watson last year? Blank said something about "different player, different time." He talked about Atlanta's talent and how they liked Ridder. He also talked Lamar's style of play and how he has missed games the last two years and how that was important in the NFL.

Lamar fired back w/a couple of tweets.

Please...please...please...let the Ravens sign him to a 10 year, Billion $$$ deal. Please.

We definitely set the mark for QB guaranteed money didn't we? LOL Well we were laughed at all these years by other organizations. We changed that emotion to anger. Too bad. Now all we have to do is win and shut them up!

I think this was part of Haslam's strategy. He knew he had to pay to get him, so he made it so all the others would have to do it. These teams don't have the cash in escrow to do this, and I think the Browns knew this and made a bold move to put their rivals in a bad position. I love it.

I hope that Lamar goes to an NFC team. I hope he doesn't stay in Baltimore. I hope he doesn't go to Indy. Lamar is a winner. The AFC is loaded w/excellent, young QBs and are about to add Rodgers. He's old, but he is still elite.

The Browns have upgraded their talent this off-season, but the road to the Conference Championship is extremely hard. Get Lamar the heck out of the conference.

Hurting the Ravens in any way is a good thing. Hope he goes to the NFC also.

j/c

In general I think Lamar is an electric athlete who has shown he can win games in the NFL. I heard somewhere he has missed 25% of games the last two seasons. As a running QB he's only going to slow down with age and with injuries be they niggly or serious. Because he is such a unique running threat he is difficult to play against and scheme for - although with JOK in theory we have an excellent foil. I am not surprised teams haven't given him what he thinks he is worth in terms of the size of a guaranteed contract, and I think part of that might well be lack of an agent and him representing himself. I'm personally ambivalent on whether he plays for the Ravens or not - in some ways I think signing a guy onto a huge contract that I think will slow down and be less dynamic as the years go on could hurt them more than them becoming a more rounded team without him. I thought Greg Roman did wonders for Lamar - in many ways it would be interesting to see how LJ does without Greg calling the offense and designing the O around him.

Huntley in 2021 played really well - I thought they looked a more complete team with Huntley than Lamar. 2022 Huntley was no where near as good. I think he'd be the front runner and what you would get with him is an unknown.

I agree that based on how you break it down - Ravens should pay Lamar and keep him. But it's a business decision - how much $$$ to you part with? Do you give him Watson money and contract? Do you give him Murray contract and money? Murray is no where near as proven a commodity as Lamar in my eyes and it's not even close - I'd take Lamar 7 days a week and twice on Sunday .... Murray was grossly overpaid - but it's a line in the sand. Is Lamar worth that and the impact it has on the rest of your team/cap? If it was that clear cut of a choice I think you'd already see multiple teams making moves but we don't see that or hear that.

His strategy was after watson made it plain he wasn't coming to Cleveland, he made a last ditch effort to outbid everyone else for watson. If that had been his actual strategy he would have made an offer like that from the start.

Because every one in business knows you over offer on the first offer. Sound strategy there.

My look for Baker Mayfield news brought that the Rafvens tried to sign him before he signed with the Buccs.
so in the last I2 months he' been linked to being wanted by the, Panthers, Rams, 49ers, Buccaneers, and now the Ravens, and the niners were bidding against one I've forgot.

LOL

J/c

I think GB will receive two 2’s for Rodgers, and that’s probably fair. The ship has sailed

To be honest, I was the other one.

Our team is excellent with keeping information in house. We tried to get his agent to take E-1 pay, but he was very persistent on being a Private First Class. He had all the qualities I was looking for as a Guidon bearer in front of our formations. He had experience of holding and planting a flag/guidon. All our previous guidon bearers tend to be too tall and I can't see all our Soldiers when addressing the formation. So height wasn't a problem. Also, you hold the guidon in your right hand, so no issues with that non-holding hand/shoulder. He would've went places.

But in the end, he chose to be a pirate, ...I mean Buccaneer over being a Soldier. You win some, you lose some

No, it's not over after the first offer. If you want that player bad enough you'll pull up the Brinks truck like the Browns did. But that was their last ditch effort to get watson after he said he wasn't coming here and not some strategy to screw the other owners.

This is correct and how it went down - Watson said no, Berry/Haslam found a way to open the door back up for Watson to sign here. Assuming we landed a top 5 QB - it was a hell of a move and a coup considering Watson had eliminated us from contention (it was reported 3 other teams met the HOU trade requirements and were consideration for Watson). The contract might have a side affect of messing with other teams negotiations with their FQB - it was not an intentional part of the process/thinking, not in my opinion or any sport writer/commentator that I trust.

What are you even arguing? Nobody said it was either or. They did it to get Watson AND make the other owners pay for their qb.

I wonder, do you ever pay attention to the things you post?

How in the world expletative is D Watson a top five @uarterback on a good day?

given that day would be hampered by the offensive coaches and le.. AND league bias' against Cleveland.
Lets go top ONE @uarterback.
I. I think Patrick Mahomes takes it, .
Let's just tell me AFC only,
AFC ONLY and tell me where you can confidently say one by one that D. Watson is the next best.

Every AFC @b minus Mahommes who is the best?

I think if you take the AFC, and look for a top five @b spot for Watson today,
they'd take Mahommes first, 2nd would be Cincy @uarterback. in their current situations
I could see if those 2 didn't exist then Jaguar @b Trevor Lawrence could be #3

Then, if you caveat that health keeps Tua from playing a large part of the year,
If you assume that R. Wilson continues to struggle,
Josh Allen could be agreed to be the 4th @b in the AFC, now how do you get D. Watson at top five.

If you totally discount the Jets and Ravens either one getting a bump from either Lamar Jackson or Aaron Rogers

If you forget about Derek Carr now being out of the AFC,
If you pretend the Charger @uarterback isn't very good,
If you negate anything from the Titans @uarterback Tannehill,
then
for #five in the AFC you'd have a neck and neck battle of Garoppolo and D. Watson from the Raiders and Browns.

In reality I think they got a top nine @uarterback in the AFC, maybe a top I4 in the whole NFL who knows, saying he's top won't change anything.
and
Me claiming he's not top Five can't stop him from being top five if that is what he is.

Can he play better than Baker Mayfield would have.

The assumption is that DW will return to elite performance.... It is not based on how he played after two years out of rhe game and in a season dealing with all his legal woes.... We will see.