Rams and Eagles among about four teams interested in trading up to No. 4 with Browns, sources say
Published: Friday, April 13, 2012, 6:59 PM Updated: Friday, April 13, 2012, 7:16 PM
Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer
CLEVELAND -- With less than two weeks before the NFL draft, multiple teams have called the Browns about their No. 4 pick, league sources told the Plain Dealer, and there's a decent chance the Browns will trade down.
At least three or four teams in the top 20 have expressed interest in trading up, and the Browns are expected to have some enticing options on draft day.
Rams coach Jeff Fisher, who has the No. 6 pick, has already identified the Browns as a potential trade partner, and the Eagles at No. 15 are believed to be interested in trading up, sources said. At least two other teams are in the mix.
And it's not just Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill that teams are after. There's been considerable interest in USC offensive tackle Matt Kalil, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne and Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon.
The Rams and Eagles are attractive trade partners because both have two picks in the second round. The Rams have the 33rd overall pick and the 39th pick from their recent trade with Washington. The Eagles have the No. 46 pick in the second round and the No. 51st pick from their trade with Arizona last year for quarterback Kevin Kolb.
At the NFL Owners meetings last month, Fisher said he'd consider trading up with the Browns depending on what they wanted in return. He didn't specify which player he'd trade up for, but the Rams are believed to have interest in Blackmon. Fisher re-iterated Friday that he'll trade up, down or stay where he is.
The Eagles and Chiefs (No. 11) have both conducted private workouts with Tannehill, but the Chiefs "would probably not trade up'' a league source said. The Bills (No. 10) will also host Tannehill on Tuesday after he visits the Browns on Sunday and Monday.
The Eagles, who've already executed trades with their former general manager Tom Heckert, might be willing trade up, but nothing would happen until draft day, because the Vikings are also believed to be interested in trading down from No. 3. ESPN's Adam Schefter reported Monday that the Vikings will pass on Kalil, and Vikings general manager Rick Spielman told Pro Football Weekly that he'd be open to dealing.
"There are times we have been in (the war room) and we've done deals on the clock," Spielman told the site. "It's an unknown, but you're prepared for both ways. We'll be ready and we'll have a good idea of what we think the value of that third pick is.''
The Dolphins at No. 8 and Seahawks at No. 12 also interested in Tannehill, but it's unknown if they'd be willing to move up.
Heckert said at the owners meetings that he had preliminary talks with several teams. He also said he'd be willing to trade down "a few spots'' but not all the way back to No. 27 like he did last year with Atlanta in the trade for receiver Julio Jones. (He then moved back up to No. 21 to select Phil Taylor).
Question is, would No. 15 be too far back? Maybe not. The Browns have hosted a number of players over the past two weeks that are projected to go in the teens, including Notre Dame receiver Michael Floyd, Baylor receiver Kendall Wright and South Carolina cornerback Stephon Gilmore. If the Browns picked up two extra second-round picks, they'd have three in that round, including the No. 37 overall.
They could use one of those picks to trade back up from No. 22 and grab another elite player.
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Fisher re-iterated Friday that he'll trade up, down or stay where he is.
Eagles have #46 and #51 in the second -- #4 for #15, #46, #51 works, and would be sick.
We have too many picks, so you could package #46/#51 to get back into the mid 1st:
15 - Quinton Coples
20 - Cordy Glenn
22 - Dre Kirkpatrick
37 - Alshon Jeffery
67 - Brock Osweiler
100 - Robert Turbin
Or something like that....
We wouldnt trade back up, wouldnt need to.
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Fisher re-iterated Friday that he'll trade up, down or stay where he is.
No doubt.
And as for the "team X called team Y about a potential trade" and what that means.....nothing. Every GM in the NFL should have already called every other team to see what they could get for their current pick OR how much to get their pick. It's called due diligence.
I'm holding out hope to drop a few spots to still get Claiborne, Richardson or Blackmon and get an additional 2nd rounder to boot. I know we have a ton of picks that will be hard to keep them all, but adding more top end picks will only increase our chances of hitting on them.
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Eagles have #46 and #51 in the second -- #4 for #15, #46, #51 works, and would be sick.
We have too many picks, so you could package #46/#51 to get back into the mid 1st:
15 - Quinton Coples
20 - Cordy Glenn
22 - Dre Kirkpatrick
37 - Alshon Jeffery
67 - Brock Osweiler
100 - Robert Turbin
Or something like that....
If you want to get real crazy..you trade down to 15(although they can sweeten the pot a little). I thought I heard Belichek might want to move up this year to the mid round..not sure of the value chart because I have to go but..and if you want to get really really crazy and the picks work out right you trade down to 6 first with the rams..
#15 to NE for 27 and 31?
#22
#27
#31
#37
#46
#51
No such thing as too many picks until there is zero chance that the guy you are about to select with one of them will make the 80 man training camp roster. Then, and only then, you can consider yourself as having too many picks.
trade a few picks for future picks next year. 4th this year is a 3rd next.
I think we're definitely targeting Richardson and the only way we trade out of a position to take him is for a freakin' ransom.
Trading down to 6, there's still a good chance we take him (assuming TB loves Claiborne). But, we get down into the teens, he's gone. We'd still be able to pick some very good players, but maybe not those "big time impact" players that we need, especially on offense.
But, I don't think any of us should be surprised if we're really targeting Claiborne pretty hard, too.
Historically, New England stockpiles picks in the second round, normally by trading out of the first round. They feel that is where the best value for the players is.
Getting the Pats to give up those picks is not going to happen. I believe the reason for their 2 first round picks was Mark Ingram.
With TB signing Vincent Jackson, I can't see them taking Blackmon so if I'm the Rams, I stay put at #6 unless I want Claiborne/Kalil. I think you have to call the Browns bluff of drafting Blackmon
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With TB signing Vincent Jackson, I can't see them taking Blackmon so if I'm the Rams, I stay put at #6 unless I want Claiborne/Kalil. I think you have to call the Browns bluff of drafting Blackmon
I can see the Bucs wanting Richardson though.
He's the guy I want. I say we take him at 4 unless we get a pretty good deal to trade down
Jags like Blackmon and have been rumored to be wanting to move up to 4 for awhile now. That could be why the Rams are showing more interest in trading up as well now.
If we can get those 2 bidding, 2nd and 3rd maybe? Kalil falls, it will be a feeding frenzy.
I'll play the Philly game...i don't think it will happen for many reasons, but let's do it anyways (Browns get 15, 46, 153 and 2013 2nd rounder)
#15 - Upshaw (DE)
#22 - S. Hill (WR)
#37 - D. Martin (RB)
#46 - M. Schwartz (OT)
#67 - G. Iloka (FS)
Trade out upshaw for Stephon Gilmore and I will take that draft
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Jags like Blackmon and have been rumored to be wanting to move up to 4 for awhile now. That could be why the Rams are showing more interest in trading up as well now.
If we can get those 2 bidding, 2nd and 3rd maybe? Kalil falls, it will be a feeding frenzy.
If it ends up being the Rams, I don't see much more then a 3rd this year and a 3rd next....Browns will make the move (assuming Kalil goes 3) as it still gets them 1 of their 2 or 3 top targets.
Little nervous about the Gamecocks players...they usually disappointment in the NFL. I'd take DeCastro hands down, but think he'll be gone by then
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Eagles have #46 and #51 in the second -- #4 for #15, #46, #51 works, and would be sick.
We have too many picks, so you could package #46/#51 to get back into the mid 1st:
15 - Quinton Coples
20 - Cordy Glenn
22 - Dre Kirkpatrick
37 - Alshon Jeffery
67 - Brock Osweiler
100 - Robert Turbin
Or something like that....
Under the assumption that Philly moves up to #4 to take Claiborne, I can see Jax jumping StL for Blackmon. If that were to happen, I can see Floyd dropping to 15. I could see something like below. Though I agree with you on picks, we'd almost have to trade up. If Richardson got past TB, I think we'd be calling to move up for him.
#15 - Malcolm Floyd (WR)
#22 - Whitney Mercilus (DE)
#37 - Lavonte David (OLB)
#46 - Doug Martin (RB)
#51 - Jayron Hosley (CB)
#67 - Mitchell Schwartz (RT)
Though, as I called out in my Mock 2.0, I think Carolina will be our dance partner that night.
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Fisher re-iterated Friday that he'll trade up, down or stay where he is.
Yup, that sure is insightful.
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Jags like Blackmon and have been rumored to be wanting to move up to 4 for awhile now. That could be why the Rams are showing more interest in trading up as well now.
If we can get those 2 bidding, 2nd and 3rd maybe? Kalil falls, it will be a feeding frenzy.
If it ends up being the Rams, I don't see much more then a 3rd this year and a 3rd next....Browns will make the move (assuming Kalil goes 3) as it still gets them 1 of their 2 or 3 top targets.
After what the Rams got from Washington, not a chance I would trade down for anything less than one of their 2nd rounders this year, and I'd try to get a 2nd or 3rd next year. They got 3 1sts and a 2nd for dropping 4 spots. If they want to come back up 2 spots, it'll cost them.
If we were to go the Philly route:
15 OT Cordy Glenn
22 DE Whitney Mercilus
37 RB Doug Martin
46 LB Bobby Wagner
51 OG Brandon Brooks
67 WR Greg Childs
100 (+ 160 + 7th*) CB Ron Brooks/ CB Josh Norman
118 WR Jarius Wright/ WR Chris Rainey
138 LB Audie Cole/ LB Kyle Wilbur
6c QB Austin Davis
6c FS Tysyn Hartman
7c RB Antwon Bailey
7c TE/FB Brad Smelley
I'd probably try to use the 160 and our 7th to try to get our 100 in front of baltimore's 3rd to secure Brooks.
How far back and with whom would we trade to pick up another 1st next year? I know its a little crazy but My eyes are on Barclay. To me This year should be all about stocking up on as many quality role players in rounds 1(mid-late) thru 3 as we can trade later round picks for and hopefully setting up next years draft for the big grab.
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No such thing as too many picks until there is zero chance that the guy you are about to select with one of them will make the 80 man training camp roster. Then, and only then, you can consider yourself as having too many picks.
That's exactly right, , right on, right on, right on right on.
Justin Blackmon publicly said he didn't want to come to the Browns. I could see a scenario where the Browns have moved Michael Floyd over Justin Blackmon on the depth chart of wants, because they want to avoid a situation where a good player won't re sign when they become a free agent.
If the Eagles did want to trade up we should definitely take their deal. I have a feeling they would only trade up if Kalil is available.
If we trade with Philly is Asante Samuel involved in the trade? Thats what im wondering.
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If the Eagles did want to trade up we should definitely take their deal. I have a feeling they would only trade up if Kalil is available.
Definitely? I mean whats the deal? Only way I want to trade that far down is if we're getting a king's ransom with picks next year.
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Justin Blackmon publicly said he didn't want to come to the Browns.
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Justin Blackmon publicly said he didn't want to come to the Browns.
Throw Long...I too, would like to read the story claiming Blackman does not want to be drafted by the Browns.
I have tried to locate the story, but have had no luck finding it.
Help us out, let us know what your source is...thanks, mac
If we were to trade back that far, 1st next year, 2nd and 3rd this year.
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Justin Blackmon publicly said he didn't want to come to the Browns.
Link?
When that was first brought up here it was mentioned the statement was from his twitter account. So I went in search of it. I found two possible accounts that could be his, neither of which was verified, one does claim to be the official account. Mary Key follows the other one. Remember the TRich hoax? In going through the history of each of those I found no reference at all the Browns, so I just dismissed it as baloney.
I could see something like this:
Eagles get:
4th overall, 5th round pick from Broncos (160) and 7th round pick (211)
Browns get:
Eagles 1st round pick (15) 2 2nd round picks (46 and 51 overall) and their 3rd round pick in 2012.
This would keep the Browns current number of picks the same. It would turn one high pick into (essentially) 3 top 51 picks. Adding a 3rd next year would be a bonus for throwing in the later picks this year.
I would do that quite happily. We would then have :
1st (15 and 22)
2nd (37, 46, 51)
3rd (67)
4th (100, 118)
5th (139)
6th (204, 205) Compensatory
7th (245, 247) Compensatory
2013: Eagles 3rd round pick
Yeah, I'd do that. I'd love to have 7 of the top 100 players in this draft, including 5 of the top 51, plus an extra 3rd round pick next year.
Well, To be honest. Would YOU want to come to Cleveland with our recent history ? Now, I'd never say it in public but I'd sure let my agent know that unless the money was a LOT better I'd rather go to a team that at least LOOKS like it might have a chance in the next 4 years.
This is EXACTLY why we need a player in this draft to give us a face, some decent national exposure, a promotional name that the media isn't embarrased to use in the TV promotions. It has to start somewhere guys. Trading back, and back, and back for 15 no name guys may "fill" some holes but it does NOTHING right now to improve or enhance our image of a team that is in constant rebuilding.
Do you think "The Truck, Trent Richardson and the Cleveland Browns take on Big Ben and the Steelers Thursday night" sounds better than " The No name Browns crawl into Heinz field for another Thursday night mauling" ??
LMAO
Time to get a STUD, no maybe's, no "he has potential", no he's almost as good and is cheaper...
J/C.
I'm not a draftnik and I'll never claim to be but my opinion counts as much as the many who think they are.
I'm done with this trade down crap to assemble more picks which may or may not ever be used and may or may not be garbage when they are used.
Stay at 4. Take the best player available. Do everything you can to move UP again and again take the best player available.
Draft Richardson. Do not trade down.
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I'm not a draftnik and I'll never claim to be but my opinion counts as much as the many who think they are.
I'm done with this trade down crap to assemble more picks which may or may not ever be used and may or may not be garbage when they are used.
Stay at 4. Take the best player available. Do everything you can to move UP again and again take the best player available.
Draft Richardson. Do not trade down.
Agreed. Unless we trade back to say #6 and can get Richardson/Flloyd/Blackmon then don't do it. I'd hate to see us trade to the mid of the 1st round and lose out on all 3 of those guys.
That was one of the reasons I wanted to re-sign Hillis AND draft Richardson - to establish (or should I say re-establish?) an identity for this team. I wanted the Browns to go into Full Beast Mode, in direct opposition to conventional wisdom in the current NFL. I've been called a dinosaur, a throwback, and people said "its a passing league, Dave, don't you get it?". I do get it, but I can't say I agree that it necessarily has to be that way. I would just love to see a punishing running game that keeps oppo QB's on the sidelines with long, clock eating drives, provides cover for a young QB to develop with, gives real meaning to play-action fakes, and ices games in the fourth quarter - all the while beating the living schnikees out of the oppo defense. Imagine that headline for MNF: "High-Flying Steeler Air Show Takes On Bone-Crushing Browns' Ground Attack". Headline writers love contrast, and it would be refreshing in what has become a "me-too" league. Throwback uni's, throwback offensive style, outdoor football in December. The NFL the way it oughta be, imo.
I'd rather be the Packers and have a dominating passing attack than the Ravens and have a great running game.
I'd just rather have an offense that, you know, was an offense
We're not gonna be a Packers, Saints, Patriots type offense this year. This is a passing league now but I don't see us getting any Brady, Brees, or Rodgers this year. Take Richardson, period (unless someone comes in and blows your socks off with a ridiculous trade offer). Good runningbacks still prosper on bad teams and can be built around (Tomlinsons first years with San Diego and Peterson in Minny)
I Agree with Bidatut,
We are at a point where we need a face to the organization. A bonafide playmaker. It sounds nice on paper to trade down and get some more quality positioned picks. But didn't we do that last year? and the year before? We have much better depth and overall better skilled players across the board then we did 3 years ago.
I would love to take TR at #4, but I think he'll be there at 10. So take Blackmon, If Richardson still there at 10 trade back up and get him. The reason I would go Blackmon is because he is the best WR by far. The only other potential WR to be a #1 in this league is Floyd.(I'm not sold on him at all). After that, the rest are just speed guys or lifelong #2's.
FYI... I would love to get Broyles in the 4th. He maybe wont get back to full strength until Nov. but combined with Blackmon we could steal the best 2 WR's in this draft.
If we dont take TR, we can still find several good backs that will be there in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. I would probably draft 2 RB's by the 5th and pick up a 3rd dwn back like Rainey.
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J/C.
I'm not a draftnik and I'll never claim to be but my opinion counts as much as the many who think they are.
I'm done with this trade down crap to assemble more picks which may or may not ever be used and may or may not be garbage when they are used.
Stay at 4. Take the best player available. Do everything you can to move UP again and again take the best player available.
Draft Richardson. Do not trade down.
I like that thinking.. I'll offer only one caviat,, if Richardson is the guy you want, and you have a STRONG knowledge that he's gonna be there at, let's say 6, and ST Louis offers you another second round pick to move up, I'd do it, take Richardson at 6, use the pick we got from St. Louis and our 22nd and move up again to get another top tier player.
And you still got our 37 to add yet another talent.
1 4 4
1 22 22
2 5 37
3 4 67
4 5 100
4 23 118
5 4 139
5 25 160
7 4 211
6 35 204 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
6 36 205 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
7 38 245 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
7 40 247 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
Trade 4 to Philly for 15,46,51 2013 3rd
Trade 15,118,160, 211, 2013 Philly 3rd to NE for pick 27,31, 93(Despite popular belief) Belichek has traded up more than down on draft day(15 to 13)) and is supposedly very interested in the middle of the draft this year(Safety or pass rusher). Not sure if I like any of it, but with 12 days till the draft it gives us new scenarios we haven't covered.
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67)
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100)
139)
6 35 204 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
6 36 205 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
7 38 245 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
7 40 247 Cleveland (Compensatory Selection)
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If we were to go the Philly route:
15 OT Cordy Glenn
22 DE Whitney Mercilus
37 RB Doug Martin
46 LB Bobby Wagner
51 OG Brandon Brooks
67 WR Greg Childs
100 (+ 160 + 7th*) CB Ron Brooks/ CB Josh Norman
118 WR Jarius Wright/ WR Chris Rainey
138 LB Audie Cole/ LB Kyle Wilbur
6c QB Austin Davis
6c FS Tysyn Hartman
7c RB Antwon Bailey
7c TE/FB Brad Smelley
I'd probably try to use the 160 and our 7th to try to get our 100 in front of baltimore's 3rd to secure Brooks.
I might do something a little different with the last 2-3 picks but all in all I would have a huge smile on my face at the end of that draft.
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Fisher re-iterated Friday that he'll trade up, down or stay where he is.
Yup, that sure is insightful.
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I would have a huge smile on my face at the end of that draft.
Thanks. The more I think about it, the more I like the idea of 700 athletic and talented pounds to the right of our center, even without a TE.
There is a new rumor everyday about the #4 pick being available everyday. Somebody wants people to think there are multiple teams trying to get that pick.
I am at the point, and it seems many are others are at this point as well, where I don't even care what is going on currently. I just want the draft to be here so I can know what is actually going to happen.
I've been that way for awhile - I'm just waiting for the draft... I thinK I know who the Browns want and what it'll take for them to move down in the draft, but we have to wait and see what happens - under two weeks!
What if all the talk about the Browns and Philly talking is not about Philly moving up but laying the groundwork to move up from 22 to 15 which would make more sense..
This is predraft smoke ...PD reporting this must mean Browns are sending this out..I doubt the Rams want to deal up with the team who said foul about the Griff trade..and it would look silly for them to do so after getting all those picks from Washington.
Philly..well that could happen..might not..
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/14/report-little-chance-eagles-would-trade-up-to-no-4/Report: “Little chance” Eagles would trade up to No. 4
Posted by Evan Silva on April 14, 2012, 4:27 PM EDT
As Florio suggested early Saturday, Friday night’s Cleveland Plain Dealer report of the Eagles’ alleged interest in trading up to the No. 4 overall pick reeked of pre-draft misinformation spread by a bad Browns team looking to trade down and accumulate more picks.
A Saturday report from CSN Philadelphia agrees.
Citing a high-level Eagles source, CSN Philly’s Reuben Frank reports that the report of Philly’s interest in trading up to the fourth selection was “just another pre-draft rumor,” and there is “little chance” the Eagles would jump 11 spots in the draft’s first round.
Frank’s Eagles source did concede that Philadelphia and Cleveland have “spoken several times,” but that could have just as much to do with Browns G.M. Tom Heckert and Eagles coach Andy Reid’s longstanding relationship as it may with Philly’s intentions to make a costly draft-day maneuver. Heckert and Reid worked together for nine years with the Eagles, before Heckert took the Browns’ General Manager job in 2009.
The Browns and Eagles have done business before. The teams swapped running backs Mike Bell and Jerome Harrison before the 2010 trade deadline, and the Eagles sent linebacker Chris Gocong and cornerback Sheldon Brown to the Browns in exchange for two picks and linebacker Alex Hall two Aprils ago. And although the deal was later rescinded, the sides had an agreement in place last July that would have shipped defensive tackle Brodrick Bunkley to Cleveland for a fifth-round pick.
A draft-day trade between Cleveland and Philadelphia would be unsurprising, but it’s more likely to happen in the later rounds.
Per Frank, a trade sending the No. 4 overall pick to Philly is “not going to happen.”
So the Browns saying there's interest by Philly is pre-draft misinformation by a bad team, but Philly saying there is no interest is 100% truth?
Yeah, I don't think the Eagles are going to move up that much either.. didnt believe that rumor for a second.
But the part of maybe some moves in the lower rounds,,, yeah,, sure that could happen..
Yeah, I think something involving 22 is much more likely, either browns move up to 15 if keuchly isn't there and Richardson or someone else is, or eagles move up to 22 if they got keuchly and Barron is still there at 22... something like that. #4 doesn't really make sense for Philly seeing as how they have prime picks to address their admitted needs of LB and S. If they don't trade at all, they could end up with Keuchly, Wagner, and Harrsion Smith.
22 for their two 2nds would make the most sense.
1 Tannehill
2a. RT Bobbie Massie
2b. CB Brandon Boykin
2c RB LaMichael James
3. WR Greg Childs
That just made me sad...
All I see there is 2nd/3rd-tier everything.
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22 for their two 2nds would make the most sense.
1 Tannehill 
2a. RT Bobbie Massie
2b. CB Brandon Boykin
2c RB LaMichael James 
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If they don't trade at all, they could end up with Keuchly, Wagner, and Harrsion Smith.
At least you are taking about the Eagles. That just lists 3 of the worst players projected in the top 60, I don't think I could come up with 1 more to replace any of those 3. That's jut my opinion though. I hope the Browns don't go near any of those 3.
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Yeah, I don't think the Eagles are going to move up that much either.. didnt believe that rumor for a second.
But the part of maybe some moves in the lower rounds,,, yeah,, sure that could happen..
It's all been predicated on the silly notion that 3 QBs are going to go in the first 4 picks (maybe even the 1-2-3 spots).
I don't see it happening but I also don't think there's much of a chance that the Browns move up from #22 to #15 either.
If someone is going to be trading up to #4, it isn't going to be to draft a QB. It'll be to move up to get either a WR or CB. Unlike a lot of 'experts', I think that Blackmon is every bit as good as A.J. Green or Julio Jones and I could see a team moving up to get him. With that said, I think the target will be Morris Claiborne (even if he can't spell his own name). He knows how to play football and he'll be one hell of an addition to any team that drafts him. I could see teams that will be looking for an elite CB being the ones to move up.
Dallas needs a CB in a bad way (and yeah, we play them this year) and we'll play against Claiborne if we trade back with them. Other teams that I can see looking for help at corner are Tampa, Jax, and Buffalo. There could be others too, but that's just within the Top 10 and Dallas at 14. We could melt the phones fielding calls to move up to #4.
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22 for their two 2nds would make the most sense.
That just made me sad...
All I see there is 2nd/3rd-tier everything.
I'd want their earlier 2nd and next year's 1st
Just seen an interesting Mock with Carolina trading up to 4 and throwing in Jonathon Stewart as part of the trade and Cleveland still Getting Blackmon. Not sure if Blackmon will be there at 9, but thought it was interesting.
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hmm... trading up for who?
They have Claiborne..they also have Miami moving up to 3 for Tanny.
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hmm... trading up for who?
it'd have to be Blackmon (though they'd just be saying they are going to turn into the Detroit Lions South)
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hmm... trading up for who?
They have Claiborne..they also have Miami moving up to 3 for Tanny.
When is the last time that picks 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all acquired by trading up? I just don't see it happening.
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hmm... trading up for who?
They have Claiborne..they also have Miami moving up to 3 for Tanny.
When is the last time that picks 1, 2, 3 and 4 were all acquired by trading up? I just don't see it happening.
Yeah, I don't see Indy giving up #1 either.
throw draft history out the window though with the new CBA
Oops.. forgot about Indy.. getting my trade scenarios all lumped together.
j/k
I have noticed that some drafts on here have a WR, QB, RT & RB in the first 4 picks. I think it would be a big mistake to ignore the D. If we go RB at #4 or where ever we trade down to, then I think we should go with DE at #22 or at the latest #37. IMO we are at the stage of really having a big-time D, but if we drop off & just do O, then that sets us back. I think we can do both. We have enough picks to go up & get some help in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. But we need to split them up between the O & the D.
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throw draft history out the window though with the new CBA
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throw draft history out the window though with the new CBA
I'm always reluctant to throw things out the window.. you hear that a lot with rivalry games but the better team still usually wins.
I just don't think the top 10 picks of the draft are going to be nearly as exciting as some people seem to think with trades galore.. Vikings moving back, Chiefs moving up, Dolphins moving up, Browns moving back, then up again.. Rams moved back only to move up again, Bucs moving up... I just don't think this wholesale shuffling of draft positions is going to happen.
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I have noticed that some drafts on here have a WR, QB, RT & RB in the first 4 picks. I think it would be a big mistake to ignore the D. If we go RB at #4 or where ever we trade down to, then I think we should go with DE at #22 or at the latest #37. IMO we are at the stage of really having a big-time D, but if we drop off & just do O, then that sets us back. I think we can do both. We have enough picks to go up & get some help in the 2nd & 3rd rounds. But we need to split them up between the O & the D.
If Cordy Glenn and Kendall Wright are both gone at #22, I have no problem with Whitney Mercilus or (if he somehow falls) Dre Kirkpatrick at that pick.
I'd prefer Doug Martin in the second, but if we go the Richardson route, I think the value in the second round is at OLB (David, Wagner, Z. Brown.) I'd really, really hope to trade back in the round for one of those guys or Brandon Brooks.
To me it's more about who is available where and how they fit our team.
Of course, Justin Blackmon scores a lot of TDs, so he doesn't really fit our team. 
we'll see but it's a much bigger chance of happening now without the restrictive rookie salaries.
I see it as a new toy. All these GMs have this new toy of high picks with rational salaries and they can play with it in the trade market. I sort of expect a year or two of lots of flux (not nearly as much as speculated but perhaps 2 more trades within the top10) before things settle back down.
I agree on who's left on the board, but I was refering to all the draft choices listed on the board, almost all were O. I just thought that we should still keep the D in mind at lower 1st or early 2nd.
Our offense stinks and really needs some help but we have enough weak spots on both offense and defense that I think we are still in that stage of taking the best player available regardless of which side of the ball they play on.
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we are still in that stage of taking the best player available regardless of which side of the ball they play on.
I hope Heckert is thinking that way. All this "value" crap everybody talks about to me means squat. Our team needs players that are good. IMO keep all three of our first picks and take the absolutely best player available no matter what the position.
If they trade the #4, it better be only a few spots, I am tired of this team trading high picks to drop back and get players that are not as good as the one they could have got originally.
I want on of the top 4 guys in the draft period. And at #22 and #37 exactly what I said above BPA.
Value....smalue!!! Give me the best available.
Best available means very little if that prospect does not meet your Position Attributes for 'your' system.
Ie; you don't draft a 34 OLB and expect him to play LBer in a 43 defense.
In the WCO you like your RB's to be a good threat and have good hands, because many of their hand offs will be short passes or long hand offs.
On down the line.
Value has always been a part of draft strategy ... It's not some new word coined of recent years.
Value has everything to do with positions and what positions carrie more value then others and also where you look for some positions in the Draft.
... BUT you can definitely over-think the whole value "thing." This is particularly true when you're picking in the top 10 spots. In any draft, you're lucky if there are 5-10 "elite" prospects. If you're in position to get one of those "elite" prospects, I've always thought it was best to get one of those guys while you can (unless somebody is willing to pay a king's ransom to move up -- like Atlanta did last year). At four, we're going to have a crack at 2-3 "elite" prospects. IMO, the Browns need playmakers and should grab one at #4. We've got 12 other picks to use on finding the best value players going forward.
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... BUT you can definitely over-think the whole value "thing." This is particularly true when you're picking in the top 10 spots. In any draft, you're lucky if there are 5-10 "elite" prospects. If you're in position to get one of those "elite" prospects, I've always thought it was best to get one of those guys while you can (unless somebody is willing to pay a king's ransom to move up -- like Atlanta did last year). At four, we're going to have a crack at 2-3 "elite" prospects. IMO, the Browns need playmakers and should grab one at #4. We've got 12 other picks to use on finding the best value players going forward.
I agree and that's why I don't want to drop to far if we do.
I would rather take one of the top prospects and perhaps trade up from pick #22 if we want to position ourselves in the middle teens or some thing like that.
That would work for me.
I view BPA with the thought of considering the scheme you run. So I didn't mean drafting a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 defense. I take it as the best player available but not necessarily a need.
Besides, in the top 10 I don't see many LBs being considered. So please stop nitpicking.
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I view BPA with the thought of considering the scheme you run. So I didn't mean drafting a 3-4 OLB for a 4-3 defense. I take it as the best player available but not necessarily a need.
Besides, in the top 10 I don't see many LBs being considered. So please stop nitpicking.
Not nitpicking, LBer was an example, probably not the best, but the most obvious one. Just about every other position can be evaluated in regard to your specific system(s) you run.
From the DL to the OL and so on ect....
That's part of the reason why one teams board looks a bit different then the next.
The farther you get into the Draft ... The more they differ and obviously for many reasons, but the system has much to do with that.