I think we can narrow things down to these guys as being the front runners.
I think a trade down is what the brainthust is after.
I still think unless we sign Goeff Swartz or another Guard It''s Chance Warmack at 6 or hopefully after moving down a couple of spots (worth a 3rd rounder) sorry we are not going to trade down far enough to get a 2nd rounder unless we drop alot more than 2 - 4 spots Warmack will be long gone by then if he is the target maybe as high as 10 . My second most likely pick would be Cordarrelle Patterson the stand out WR from UT (owner prefered?)we could trade alot further than we could to get Warmack than this guy and still get him I think (enough to grab a second).
Milner is another possibility,and the Eckard TE dude. still in the running is Izzy but with the signings I think the chances we select him at 6 are now very low.
Another possibility we may not have thought of is swapping picks with The Pats for Ryan Mallet. Or a trade with someone else where we could still get our guy furtherr down I don't think pass rusher is now our top priority after the singings we have made.
no OG at #6. if we trade down with Miami to #12 and pickup a 2nd (and more), then I'd entertain it, but I'd still rather get someone for our secondary.
I posed this question in a different thread and the more I think about it, I'm not sure we have signed anybody that is going to make us change our draft strategy... Pass rusher isn't quite as big a need as it was before so we can be more selective but if we feel a truly elite pass rusher is there at #6, I still think that is the way to go.
i would say that as of this exact moment, we are a little desperate for DBs.
but, I don't expect that will be the case by the time the draft rolls around.
I wouldn't mind an elite pass rusher myself so I agree with you if we go there no problem,I still think the odds are now lower for that and indicate the brainthrust is going in another direction,.
You are saying Milner at 6? I just don't see it mainly because of where we are picking
I never thought we would go after a DT at #6 so it doesn't change it for me one bit. I think we still sign at least 1 DB and regardless go in with Milliner as top dog. Followed by a slew of passrushers. I've been on record saying I think Sheard is a liability in this defense. That said if Milliner is gone I see us grabbing a pass rusher at 6 and shipping Sheard to a 43 team on draft day. Ansah and IMO Mingo will be too much to pass up. It's possible a team such as Atlanta with a desperate need for a DE right away(as they are pushing for a championship NOW with Tony Gonzo and without John Abraham) could be a team to come knocking. Sheard has not been a bust. He is worth at least the 2nd with which we got him. I would die if we fanangled ATLs last 1st with Sheard and some other combo.
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You are saying Milner at 6? I just don't see it mainly because of where we are picking
I'm saying that before FA I would have given a really good pass rusher the edge over Milliner at #6.. now I might be leaning more toward Milliner if he's available.. but still wouldn't be terribly upset if went pass rusher either.
All I think FA has done is make pass rusher a little less of a priority... but you can't have too many top notch pass rushers so it's not completely out of the question.. (especially since we aren't 100% sure we have ONE top notch pass rusher yet)...
Predator with all due respect
The coaches are saying otherwise in regard to Sheard, they seem to like him as do I second rounder for him? maybe maybe not .
We cannot say he is a liablility at this point,because we don't know.
And don't forget we have some young and upcoming LBs JMJ and that other rookie
A much bigger need at this point is the Defensive backfield,but I don't see Millner as worth a 6 over all selection.
Looking to me like a trade down is very very likely
I just get the feeling that interior OL is not on the list of positions this front office would consider at 6. You can never have enough pass rushers. You can never have enough coverage corners. I think that, given the quality of players at these positions at the top of the draft, and given that maybe 2 or 3 OT likely go before we pick, means that we're going to have come game changers when we pick.
I agree with all of that... especially since I heard Jaws say this morning that he thinks Geno Smith is a top 5 pick.
BPA (outside of a small handful of positions)
Milliner, or the big surprise would be Geno.
We don't need OLB's.. We don't need D-line. No Safeties are worth the 6.. no ILB's are worth the 6.
I'll be darned if we pick a guard at 6. turrible. just turrible if that were to happen.
Even more reason for a trade down If we are going corner why not trade down grab the BPA or even the best CB on the board? I heard Tommie Z (SS) got cut ,hmmmmm might not be a bad singing there.
Along with TJ ward that would shore the safety problem up..
As far as I hear we are still after one of the remaining decent corners 2 to be exact ,also hear we are hot after the best FA TE..
The Guard postion has still not been addressed. so the second best guard (trade down) m\ight also be an option, UT WR Carrelle Patterson could still be a target (trade down)as well as Jordon or Izzy ( if we stay at 6)
As I see it here are our priorities left in Free Agency
1. CB ( I don't like Millner at 6)
2. OG (will free up our first pick for pass rusher )
3. S Tom Z just got cut pull the trigger on this guy.
4.WR for veteran leadership.
So that opens up our draft options to
1..Elite pass rusher, alot of cunfusion here. a. Izzy blew up the combine and his upside is off the charts.beast or bust potential best skill set of the group)
b Jordon (potential star quality pass rusher )but has injury concerns
c.Jarvis Jones same as Jordon star quality but injuy concerns
This would give us alot more flexablity in the draft
1. Trade down best option to address WR and OG2.
2. stay at 6 and get the best passrusher PLEASE no Millner at 6.
FA signings should not change much at all.
Key is Sheard n how our coaching staff has evaluated him. STUD for 3-4 OLB then we will target Millner or Geno Smith.
If they think Sheard is a big ??? n just have him penciled there till something better comes along. We should be targeting Ansah, Jones or Jordan I think (if you have another preference so be it - no big deal)
But nobody else should justify that #6 pick. Left Tackle there justifies the slot but we don't need one at all!
DT - Star (Utah kid) or Datrone (UCLA kid) could justify the slot but I do think the signing of Bryant n the fact LB is the key over DL we just won't make that pick at #6.
Safety/TE/OG/ILB/WR/RB just do not justify the # 6 pick in this draft.
CB only Millner then a drop off.
I think after the workout of Geno Smith n 3 possible teams in the Top 5 that could use a QB he might have worked himself in there which unless we were targeting him becomes a good thing...cause maybe Ansah or Millner drops back to us.
JMHO
You are absolutely right on several points Eco
Jabaal Sheard is key here
I was thinking about the Sheard situation and yes it is key isn't it?Point in case
His sack totals went crazy when they started sending him from a stand up position(OLB) instead of the 3 point (4-3DE)s opppsed to the 3 point.
Which tells us he is better suited to pass rush from the 3- 4 OLB postion than he was at 4-3 end.
I am encouraged with that
I thought he did well stuffing the run.
my only concern is coverage,but we have situational guys for that right? plus 2 solid rookie performers at LB
Now to the draft
TRADE DOWN!!!!!!!!!
get that second rounder
first pick best pass rusher that drops?
other option ......Carrelle (spelling?)Patterson WR UT
3rd option Safety
4th OG
2nd round assuming we follow the order and got our pass rusher in the 1st.
would be best Corner, Safety or lineman
3rd Safety or OG
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Even more reason for a trade down If we are going corner why not trade down grab the BPA or even the best CB on the board? I heard Tommie Z (SS) got cut ,hmmmmm might not be a bad singing there.
Along with TJ ward that would shore the safety problem up..
As far as I hear we are still after one of the remaining decent corners 2 to be exact ,also hear we are hot after the best FA TE..
The Guard postion has still not been addressed. so the second best guard (trade down) m\ight also be an option, UT WR Carrelle Patterson could still be a target (trade down)as well as Jordon or Izzy ( if we stay at 6)
As I see it here are our priorities left in Free Agency
1. CB ( I don't like Millner at 6)
2. OG (will free up our first pick for pass rusher )
3. S Tom Z just got cut pull the trigger on this guy.
4.WR for veteran leadership.
So that opens up our draft options to
1..Elite pass rusher, alot of cunfusion here. a. Izzy blew up the combine and his upside is off the charts.beast or bust potential best skill set of the group)
b Jordon (potential star quality pass rusher )but has injury concerns
c.Jarvis Jones same as Jordon star quality but injuy concerns
This would give us alot more flexablity in the draft
1. Trade down best option to address WR and OG2.
2. stay at 6 and get the best passrusher PLEASE no Millner at 6.
Signing a SS does not help us. We have Ward, we need a FS. I would like to get a free agent CB, if not two. Most desperate need IMHO. Would not be crushed with Milliner but a small trade down and getting Rhodes seems better. If we find a partner. Do not see a OG with our first pick unless we drop into the bottom half of the first.
Just some thoughts on moving down.
1. We would have to still be targeting a player that we want...example Warmack or Cooper if that is who we want we just don't move down we move to where we can get our guy.
2. You need somebody who wishes to move up. With this draft being weak up front lots of teams ahead of us would like to drop back too.
3. I see only two situations that could have us dropping back.
a. We have no desire for Geno Smith...Buffalo n Zona do n did not trade with guys before us...we can drop back n get target player n probably pick up a 2nd rounder???
b. Fisher drops to our slot..which means Ansah, Geno n Millner are all gone. Or the OTs go quick n Johnson is there with several suitors.
Outside of that I don't see a team wanting to move up...n we have to also be lucky that the move up didn't go to a team ahead of us.
But honestly the more I think of it. In this Attack D you cannot have enough LBs. So we got Kruger, Sheard n Ansah/Jones/Jordan Whoever plays the run better is there on running downs but a team goes spread...we bring in all our pass rushers attacking...NT out n Sheard comes in 2 DL n 5 LBs moving around picking weak spots to overload on n attack! So for me if we are not targeting Millner or Geno - We will still go OLB. We might drop back a couple spots n still get them especially if we don't want Geno n Zona/Bills do that is best case scenario.
JMHO
Yeah you are pretty much right Eco can't dance without a partner
Fisher doesn't even make it to the 5th if he does he's gone at 5 to Detroit.
But on the other hand someone might covet one ot the players still on the board at 6 to trade with us.
If we do manage to trade out of 6 I am pretty sure It won't be Warmack or Cooper , I would love to have Warmack knocking the snot out of DT's and LB's but I just don't see it happening
Here is where we go
I am certain the pick will be Patterson WR UT the reasons are these
1.Jimmy Haslam is a hugh UT supporter and he is the owner
2, Many consider Patterson the most complete WR in the draft ( Good speed and size highest vertical at the combine for wideouts)
at 6'2" 215 he has the size we like and he has the speed to stretch the field We need another Impact WR.
3.we need picks.with an extra picks (2nd or 3rd) prolly 3rd ,we can address Guard and add another Corner, Safety, or LB
If we are stuck with the 6th pick I agree it's a no brainer Izzy, Jordon,or whoever is still on the board and who's skill set and upside we like the most.
Personally I like Izzy. I don't think he will be there at 6,but it is a possibility. .
Millner doesn't make is to us anyway (thank God) Patterson at 6 is still a possbility but not as likely at 6.
I don't mean to be rude, but your formatting is horrendous. It makes it a chore to read what you have to say. I know you're a new guy here, but I figured I would just let you know.
Welcome to the boards btw.
If you look at our roster it becomes obvious where the biggest holes are that the 1st pick could fill.
QB - Weeds and Colt - Could very well pull the trigger on Geno Smith if the FO thinks he is a franchise QB. Could use the 3rd round to groom a QB.
RB - Richardson, Hardesty, OBI - Could select a RB or FB in the mid rounds but will not be a position of need in the 1st.
WR - Gordon, Little, Benji - Just like RB could very well add one in the mid rounds but not in the 1st.
TE - Cameron and Barnidge - Still need to find a starter. If Fred Davis does not sign this position could be in play probably with a trade down or in the 3rd round.
OL - Thomas, Pinkston, Mack, Lavo, Shwartz, Miller, Greco - Solid unit that could always get upgraded but not a huge priority. Could see a mid round selection but not a 1st.
DL - Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes, Kitchen - Another team strength that can always get upgraded but not in the 1st.
OLB - Sheard, Kruger, Groves - I think they will be looking to bring in another OLB but with the money spent on Sheard and Kruger I do not see 1 in the 1st.
ILB - Jackson, Johnson, Gocong - Again probably could use 1 more but I do not see 1 in the 1st.
CB - Haden, Skrine, Wade, Bademosi - This position needs a lot of work I think depending how free agency plays out will be the target in the 1st,
S - Ward, Young, Ventorne - Need a starting FS. Without a trade down will not be in the first.
At 6 it will either be Dee Milliner CB, Geno Smith QB, or a trade down.
If trade down Xavier Rhodes CB, Kenny Vaccaro S, Desmonf Trufant CB, or Tyler Eifert TE.
Gotta agree with Day of the Dawg. To me, it is Geno or Milliner at No.6, and there is a strong likelihood one will be available.
As for folks who said No. 6 is too soon for a CB, I don't get that at all. We sucked when Haden was out. You put two great CBs in there, and the pass rush becomes awesome no matter who is at OLB.
I'd love to get another stud guard, too. But that can wait.
After Smith's pro day, and after reading about him (high character guy, film room fanatic, smart), I think he could be the guy. I could see Weeden starting and this kid learning. When Weeden falters, in he goes.
i really don't think free agency changes the 6th pick that much, You can never have too many pass rushers and neither sheard nor kruger has proven to be an elite pass rusher, not one 10+ sack season for either of them.
I think they are both solid pass rushers but not elite, but an elite pass rusher is too good to pass up. I still think 6 will be milliner or a pass rusher.
You can't draft a QB in the first round and THEN start Weeden also. Huge waste of a draft pick.
If you're going to start Weeden anyways. Draft someone hint else at 6. And if Weeden falters, you'll be in prime shape to grab a GOOD QB next year..
I can see us trading down. When lombardi was here before he loved to trade down....He says he has learned from his previous mistakes....time will tell....I just pray that he is right...
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If you look at our roster it becomes obvious where the biggest holes are that the 1st pick could fill.
QB - Weeds and Colt - Could very well pull the trigger on Geno Smith if the FO thinks he is a franchise QB. Could use the 3rd round to groom a QB.
RB - Richardson, Hardesty, OBI - Could select a RB or FB in the mid rounds but will not be a position of need in the 1st.
WR - Gordon, Little, Benji - Just like RB could very well add one in the mid rounds but not in the 1st.
TE - Cameron and Barnidge - Still need to find a starter. If Fred Davis does not sign this position could be in play probably with a trade down or in the 3rd round.
OL - Thomas, Pinkston, Mack, Lavo, Shwartz, Miller, Greco - Solid unit that could always get upgraded but not a huge priority. Could see a mid round selection but not a 1st.
DL - Taylor, Rubin, Bryant, Winn, Hughes, Kitchen - Another team strength that can always get upgraded but not in the 1st.
OLB - Sheard, Kruger, Groves - I think they will be looking to bring in another OLB but with the money spent on Sheard and Kruger I do not see 1 in the 1st.
ILB - Jackson, Johnson, Gocong - Again probably could use 1 more but I do not see 1 in the 1st.
CB - Haden, Skrine, Wade, Bademosi - This position needs a lot of work I think depending how free agency plays out will be the target in the 1st,
S - Ward, Young, Ventorne - Need a starting FS. Without a trade down will not be in the first.
At 6 it will either be Dee Milliner CB, Geno Smith QB, or a trade down.
If trade down Xavier Rhodes CB, Kenny Vaccaro S, Desmonf Trufant CB, or Tyler Eifert TE.
Pretty solid layout.
THIS one right here will dictate CB at 6 or in a trade down for Rhodes.
Not Munnerlynn but GRIMES. Offer this guy 3 years and 6.5M per and there's our #2 opposite Haden. He was in Cleveland all day yesterday and took a physical that he passed.
I sign Grimes and work on Haden and Mack and go to the draft.
Move down. Eotab. We will get offers. Someone will want to move up for someone. MY target would be get that 2nd rounder.
Kenny Vaccaro FS/Chance Warmack OG
Kelce TE
Vaccaro FS
Kelce TE
OG
Signing Grimes and landing Vaccaro would transform this defense with a solid mix of veteran leadership and youth.
Add an ILB and in 2014 this defense is top notch.
The idea of signing Grimes [which is exciting] and then drafting Vacarro after we move down is a pretty good one.
If we sign a CB in FA, I am not sure where they will go with the 6th pick.
IMO, they will probably push harder to shop that pick around around... or look into the best safety/offensive guard which may be a little high to spend a 6th pick on...
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You can't draft a QB in the first round and THEN start Weeden also. Huge waste of a draft pick.
If you're going to start Weeden anyways. Draft someone hint else at 6. And if Weeden falters, you'll be in prime shape to grab a GOOD QB next year..
Worked for drew brees
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I can see us trading down. When lombardi was here before he loved to trade down....He says he has learned from his previous mistakes....time will tell....I just pray that he is right...
I think that was more Belichick as he continues to acquire picks using whatever means available to him, including trading down,
Lets say we dont sign a FA corner, instead of just signing a player to fill a postion what if we traded our first round pick to a team for a solid starting CB atleast we know what were getting and if Dee milner isgone before # 6....?
Not say a older one but someone we can start for 2-3 years unitl we can draft thier replacement, not talking Revis either, chances of resigning him are almost zero for what he wants money wise,
maybe trade our 1st pick for a starting CB and a 2nd rounder
just something to think about, obviously easier said than done, finding the right guy, right price and a team who wants to move up maybe impossible, but something to think about.
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Worked for drew brees
Or if you wish - Worked for Rivers the Overall #4 pick in the 2004 draft...When did he start? Who was his coach that started Brees? Was it Wade Phillips? or Norv? Regardless the fact is you don't have to rush the draft pick. For several Reasons:
1. In the recent past...Contracts were so High n Cap draining for a QB in the Top 5 or 10. The need to start them right away became great.
2. Ideally it would be best to groom for a year or two.
3. A low pick probably means rebuild n lack of certain needs (LT especially). Groom n Rebuild a year or two would be best than ruin the QB with a terrible environment to Progress in.
Because of the Slot #6 we should pick a LESS TALENTED QB to groom??? Why.
If it is Geno the best case scenario is to start Weeden if he is deemed ready to win and get the job done. If for some reason Weeden just does not show any progress ok...start the Geno Smith era start...4-6-8-13 games into the season Point Blank the rookie QB would be better prepared then started from Game 1. But what if Weeden proves to be productive n continues to Grow...similar to Brees which was a pleasant development as he GOT IT that 2004 season. The negative was the Brees era ended from a shoulder injury n surgery so that a great return for him was not there for the Chargers to receive. But what if Weeden gives us very positive results n in 2015 Geno Smith is the far better QB n ready to go. We would be able to auction off Weeden to the highest Bidder...One? Two first rounders??? Teams without will give up a lot for an established QB even at 32.
To give up that scenario all in the name of - Slot #6 NO NO NO got to start him right away. These new contracts really don't force us. The fact we got a #22 pick in his 2nd year n not defined as Bust is a circumstance not many teams would be in. We do have a similar case in Brees who was a #32 pick???
So if this is a regime on a GOT TO WIN NOW or it will be gone in 2-3 seasons. It would be a terrible pick cause you would not receive immediate impact. But if this is a Regime who is here with the knowledge they got LONG TERM backing in building this Team into a steady winner. They will GROOM the pick without worrying about getting the most Right away even at risk of ruining the prospect.
Again so far it seems that the people in charge - Banner/Lombardi/Chud/Norv have confidence in Weeden's ability. Or else we would have heard rumors or inside leaks from somewhere that we were looking for a QB in FA...the most I've heard is Campbell n I don't know if that was BOZO driven or from a leak in our FO.
I don't eliminate GS as a possible draft pick - I just see them willing to continue with the progress of Weeden n in that case there will be no rush in putting GS out there.
JMHO
At this time of year what comes out to the media could mean anything.
Chud made an early comment that the Browns were open to offers on Weeden. Then Banner said that quarterback is not the focus with the sixth pick.
Anything stated to the press at this time of year - well take it with a grain of salt.
What has been clearly stated by Haslam is there will be competition.
No quarterback has been signed as yet.
Free agency has started. The Browns have been active and are still looking. TE (Kellan Davis, Fred Davis) and corner ( Brent Grimes) may still be added.
Kruger, Bryant, Groves all signed. If Grimes signs the draft is wide open.
They could still decide go with Jarvis Jones, Dee Milliner, Dion Jordan, or Ansuh but the free agent signings may have opened the door to Geno Smith.
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=149&f=1547&t=11371104The Browns heavyweights attended as they should.
Of course speculation between now and draft day will be all over the place. Quarterbacks always are the Buzz. Trade ups and downs will be discussed.
Funny how that goes. Last week Geno was a 15 to 20 pick. Now again he is top ten. Jags, Raiders, Eagles, Browns, Bills, Cardinals could all be in the mix.
It would not surprise me one bit if the Browns drafted Geno if he is there.
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Lets say we dont sign a FA corner, instead of just signing a player to fill a postion what if we traded our first round pick to a team for a solid starting CB atleast we know what were getting and if Dee milner isgone before # 6....?
Not say a older one but someone we can start for 2-3 years unitl we can draft thier replacement, not talking Revis either, chances of resigning him are almost zero for what he wants money wise,
maybe trade our 1st pick for a starting CB and a 2nd rounder
just something to think about, obviously easier said than done, finding the right guy, right price and a team who wants to move up maybe impossible, but something to think about.
Is there any such person out there that you could get for our 1st round pick and then have the other team throw in a 2nd?
I can't think of one.
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Funny how that goes. Last week Geno was a 15 to 20 pick. Now again he is top ten. Jags, Raiders, Eagles, Browns, Bills, Cardinals could all be in the mix.
I don't think players rise and fall much on teams boards. Long before now they've watched the games and the films and have made their evaluations. Teams have had their evaluations done and boards made up by December.
The combine gains them an interview to judge a player's personality and make-up but the physical stuff, (i.e. numbers), don't really change their opinions much.
In my opinion, the ones who have players sliding up and down the pecking order are the talking heads of the media.
I agree.
The risers and fallers are for those who have to come up with something to say or write.
Once the football season is over all that takes is verification. Some things may be cause for a revisit but for the most part their draft boards are made up.
I realize this goes against the prevailing logic. If I were making the decision and I could have my choice between Milliner, Jones or Ansah; I'm going OLB. at 6. I've said it before and I will say it again the best way to defeat passing is pressure, not coverage. Given where we are today, if I were doing the drafting, I would draft like this...
1 Ansah or Jones- OLB
3 Rambo- FS
4 Hawthorne- CB
5 Kasa-TE
6 Simon- DL (move to ILB)
6 Herman OG or best PK if the team doesn't sign a FA
Next week this is likely to change but any change is unlikely at the top.
If Milliner is gone when we pick, would anyone be mad if we cant trade down and we draft Xavier Rhodes CB FSU?
Something tells me it is one of three: Dee Milliner; Geno Smith; Matt Barkley.
Haslam stated they will bring in competition at QB. As far as I know, they made little effort getting a QB or DB in FA. Many draft analyst are saying this years CB class is strong, so I am thinking Milliner or someone later, otherwise, QB. They showed a strong presence at WV's pro-day. I guess we will see March 27 pro day at USC.
Then again it makes for a nice smoke screen!
Nope!
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If Milliner is gone when we pick, would anyone be mad if we cant trade down and we draft Xavier Rhodes CB FSU?
I wouldn't have a problem with us taking Rhodes at #6 even if Milline is still there.
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I would draft like this..1 Ansah or Jones- OLB
According to NFL.com, there may be an issue with Ansah's age. He may be 28, not 23. His agent is currently trying to clear this up...
I don't see any mention of that. Would you post a link?
/insert Brandon Weeden joke
do you think that there is a really elite pass rusher in this draft. i think not. and to bet the number 6 on a guy that has only started 9 games in a weak conference is totally mind blowing. he wasn't good enough to start the beginning of the season for his team.
A rumor laid out there by the Jets...lol 
Trying to pull a Shula - leak out something 30 days prior to the draft when all are finalizing their boards. So I guess next at the combine we will be doing Carbon testing to get correct age on all out there... 
Not odd this doesn't come out in Jan.? Feb.? But now past Mid March the question or accusation is put out there. 
Of course I'm thinking he has no wear n tear...in great shape. Does he have 10 prime years in him regardless of 23 or 28???
JMH???
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I would draft like this..1 Ansah or Jones- OLB
According to NFL.com, there may be an issue with Ansah's age. He may be 28, not 23. His agent is currently trying to clear this up...
Please do not draft another 28 year old rookie ...
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I don't see any mention of that. Would you post a link?
That was reported by Ian Rapoport and I saw it on the NFL Network (TV) ticker-tape. Will check further...
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do you think that there is a really elite pass rusher in this draft. i think not. and to bet the number 6 on a guy that has only started 9 games in a weak conference is totally mind blowing. he wasn't good enough to start the beginning of the season for his team.
Ansah (barring him being 28) has the tools to become one. I don't like that he's got limited experience playing football, but it's not a deal-breaker.
We all thought Kam Wimbley had the tools too. He turned himself into a decent football player, but not what we were expecting and he was gone within a few years. That's what I'm afraid of.
We just have to put our hopes into the Browns and Michael Lombardi having the best scouts possible to find out this kind of stuff. I said it before, if he can hit on this #6 pick, I think the media and fans will back off him for a while. I'm willing to give him a chance (what other choice do I have) I wish the media would too.
I think the thing people don't get is that if Joe Banner and Michael Lombardi and all these other guys aren't doing a good enough job? They'll be gone quickly. Jimmy Haslam isn't going to be over in the UK watching soccer. He's going to be present within this organization, despite the fact that he is still running Pilot/Flying J.
tab, this is the 64 million dollar question. does the new fo think weeden can play at a level to be playoff contenders? we will find out in about six weeks.
We could cut off his leg and count the rings
Being from Ghana, I can see him being older than his stated age. Like the Dominican baseball players. I also would not be surprised if we found out that he wasn't really Ezekiel Ansah but that he used that alias to get out of Ghana..
don't you think at #6 we should get more of a sure thing?
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don't you think at #6 we should get more of a sure thing?
that is going to be difficult in this draft. i'm not as high as others on Ansah, but all the pass rushers have question marks this time.
Frankly this seems like a very ugly draft to be sitting at #7. In 2011 we would have been debating Patrick Peterson vs. Aldon Smith (or praying for AJ Green) and I would be delighted. We ended up trading down, which in skipping Julio Jones I am happy about, but now I kind of miss Aldon Smith
Jones/Ansah/Jordan & Milliner isn't exactly inspiring.
I think I will be happiest with a trade down at this point.
I've said it several times...its all up to Chud/Norv - If they love Geno n think he will be THE GUY...he will be taken! We have no allegiance to Weeden as THE GUY...but I think they like what they see. I have also stated just because of the age thing...right guy right place we take him we take a QB n groom him.
But several things. I think we will improve to .500 or better as a regular thing. Finally getting there as a team. We will never be able to get the TOP QBs. We couldn't get one at #4 we are going to get one at 20 + picking - yeah if the guy is 28 years old rookie maybe???
Ponder really? Is that our destiny. Dalton? how did he make the Pro Bowl as a rookie - is beyond me, the kid is not that good. We were at #4 offered 3 first round pick which included #4 a drop back of 2 slots for the SECOND QB in the draft...n we couldn't pull it off. Next year...will we get an opportunity of a Geno Smith quality QB? 2015? 2016?
It would not surprise me one bit if that has been the target - Even if we like Weeden.
Its all on how Chud/Norv evlauates Geno Smith...not JAWS
Ansah...Ghana? What was the point of hiding the age in coming here. College? Track? from a missionary recruit? College has them for 4-5 years AGE means nothing.
Basketball? Baseball from Mexico n Dominican Republic - I know from Africa in the past there has been questions about documentation. Hard to prove in some nations.
But the timing of this AGE THING is so so hoping he drops...hey maybe its us leaking it out there? 
But its simple. Rare Priority: QB, LT, Pass Rusher Edge, Cover Corner.
LT we don't need. The other 3 we go from Need to NEED another in the mix.
So Geno Smith QB, Ansah/Jones/Jordan OLB or Millner CB. Those are our Options.
Right now the Coaching Staff n FO are keeping their cards close to their Vest!
JMHO
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I would draft like this..1 Ansah or Jones- OLB
According to NFL.com, there may be an issue with Ansah's age. He may be 28, not 23. His agent is currently trying to clear this up...
Now THAT would be the funniest thing to happen in the NFL since...oh...a player fell in love with a man pretending to be a woman over the phon....er....nevermind...
Move back pick up a second rounder and take a good guard Jonathan Cooper perhaps then go for a good TE with the second. Possibly Eifert if we get an early enough two.
I suppose it'd depend on the desire for a team to move move up as to where the #2 would fall. Not sure anyone will desire our spot that much.
I can't see why so many want to draft a gaurd so high. IMO our line is pretty good, plus with time to gel in another offseason will be huge. Spending a high pick on OL when we have such needs in the defensive backfield is foolish.
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I can't see why so many want to draft a gaurd so high. IMO our line is pretty good, plus with time to gel in another offseason will be huge. Spending a high pick on OL when we have such needs in the defensive backfield is foolish.
I would love to add depth of course, but like you, I think the line is, at it's core, pretty good. could an upgrade be made at R and L Guard,, sure. But our tackles and center are solid.
But there are those on here that think that our guards should be tossed out with the garbage. I'd laugh at them, but so often I agree with their assessments that I find myself questioning what I see.
So, I guess my answer is, I wanna see what Turner thinks..
Not sure one is looking for depth when drafting in the 1st round. Especially a team that wins 5 games a year.
Just my opinion I would not draft Ansuh at 6.
28 or 23 still would not draft him with the sixth pick in the first round.
NFL linemen make a living with technique. Ansuh is just not ready. He would be taken to school by pro linemen. In addition he would have to learn a position. He is not a DE in a 3-4 so he would be moved OLB. He would be asked to play zone.
You just do not go there with the sixth pick in the draft. That is not to say he could develop into a good player. No doubt he is a very good athlete. It is just not a good idea to look at a guy like him with that long of a learning curve when there will be guys there who are much cleaner.
He would be a situational pass rusher not a 3 down player.
There will be better choices at six.
I think it has to be Milliner, or trade out to someone who wants one of the QB's or LT's. I was against trading down, but I think we need a CB badly, and there's too many risky picks in the top 10 imo. If Milliner is gone at 6, we can move down for either Rhodes or Banks, or whomever the FO thinks is next best CB, and maybe pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder depending how far we trade down.
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I think it has to be Milliner, or trade out to someone who wants one of the QB's or LT's. I was against trading down, but I think we need a CB badly, and there's too many risky picks in the top 10 imo. If Milliner is gone at 6, we can move down for either Rhodes or Banks, or whomever the FO thinks is next best CB, and maybe pick up a 2nd or 3rd rounder depending how far we trade down.
I like your thinking but i feel we need to patient a see what another month of FA brings us @ CB ... JMHO
I agree with Millner at 6 or a short trade down, but I don't understand all this love for Gino Smith. We have to quit drafting QB's and not giving them a chance. Not every young QB is Luck or Rg3. I didn't think Weeds was all that bad for a young QB on a crappy team.
I started watching WV football when people started to talk about GS. He seemed inaccruate and un focused. also strictly shotgun. We spent a 1st round pick on Weeden lets at least give him a shot without having GS looking over his shoulder.
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I agree with Millner at 6 or a short trade down, but I don't understand all this love for Gino Smith. We have to quit drafting QB's and not giving them a chance. Not every young QB is Luck or Rg3. I didn't think Weeds was all that bad for a young QB on a crappy team.
I started watching WV football when people started to talk about GS. He seemed inaccruate and un focused. also strictly shotgun. We spent a 1st round pick on Weeden lets at least give him a shot without having GS looking over his shoulder.
I don't think most of us "want" to draft another QB, but have a feeling our new ownership does, I agree with you about Weeden Give him a chance he wasn't terrible in a terrible offense ... JMHO