i dont think there's any black owners, and as far as i'm aware, the only minority is indeed the jags owner.
No wonder why theres never any group pics ... *L* ...
Man ... in todays PC society ... how does that not come up more ... thats shocking to me ...
then come to find out that the government was essentially paying the nfl for displays of military patriotism.
I loved that stuff ... got goosebumps with the military families out there being honored and all the soldjiers holding that big ass flag ... i loved it ... sounds like u did to ...
Then i found out the nfl charged for it ... i was so PEED OFF ... when i saw it after that it MADE ME SICK ....
so if we go back to origins, what ended up happening was somebody decided to fix something that wasn't broken, and then a few years later, chaos happened.
so your solution is just to go back to the old system. i agree with it. we can still have the jets fly over the stadium and such (dude i love it everytime i see it), without the cameras on the players waiting for somebody to kneel.
Ya ... those fly overs ROCK ... still get goosebumps with those ....
I think keeping them in the locker room is the “safest” solution ... well i did ... i like what CHS said .... sorry CHS as i’m Sure that makes your skin crawl ... *L* ....
They need to find a way to get the kneeling to stop w/o telling them to ....
Hopefully theres enough progress made that theirs no kneeling next year ....
and look, i understand the pro-standing views. i really do. as somebody who actually served, i could never kneel myself. just can't do it.
but you also have to understand my views if i'm to accept yours.
I led with the fact i accept your views when i started talking about this ... i do accept your views ...
U addressed it later ... i’m Gonna adress it now from my viewpoint ...
U and i have posted to each other about this 50 - 75 times but this is the first time we’ve ever talked about it and had a conversation about it as opposed to just going BAM BAM BAM ....
i'm not (wasn't) a civilian. so you have to understand that from my perspective, the whole bashing players for kneeling is confusing to me.
everyone loves to say that we fought for people's rights and everything....
so wouldn't it be MORE disrespectful if civilians didn't use said rights? because if we're trying to restrict rights, then my brothers and myself deployed for no reason.
you get that right?
Ya, i get it ... 100% ...
if you remember in the chaotic charlottsville thread, i was ticked off for sure, but never once did i claim that nazis didn't have a right to protest. they do, as much as they disgust me.
and thats what you conservatives and moderates were saying as well. "well, i dont agree with them, but they have a right to protest"
i agree completely, which is why i'm confused that so many people are understanding of nazi's rights, but want to restrict players rights to protest, NOT over trying to say they are superior to anyone, but for equality.
I’m not going to get into the work vs free time stuff ... not the intent of this discussion IMO ...
To make it short and sweet ... i agree with the players right to protest ... i just dont agree with how they choose to do it ... it saddens and sickens me .... possibly the best way to sum it up for me ...
Its like the dude burning the flag ... i served for his right to burn it ... and i would defend his right to do it til this day .... i would also be appaled and sickened by it and 20 years ago when i wore a younger mans clothes i more than likely have been the dude trying like hell to stop him from burning it ... we’d scuffle over the flag ... even though i’d Defend his right to do it ...
U figure that one out ...
as far as outreach, bro nfl players are up in down in the community. they are always doing projects, visiting schools, donating money. thats facts bro. a ton of players absolutely donate their time and money.
but everybody thinks if they aren't doing what JJ watt did, then they aren't doing anything. thats simply not the case.
I think the NFL does a pee poor job getting those stories out ... we here about arrests on what seems like a weekly basis all year round .. and it seems like once every 6 - 8 weeks its domestic violence ... the NLF needs to PROMOTE the good .... lord only knows the media keeps us well informed of the bad ...
BUT for me ... and what their doing is AWESOME ... BUT they need to tie it to the police ... the problem is with the police ... so get the police involved ... the best way to solve this problem is INTERACTION especially with the KIDS ...
An nfl player brings some cops with him to a school .. has them volunteer and help out at their summer football clinics ... runs a charity event, lets say a cook out and concert with nfl players and cops as volunteers doing everything from being ushers to the cooking and serving of the food and drinks ...
To me ... thats what the result needs to be ... with U and I chipping in SETTING AN EXAMPLE FOR OURS ....
the good i see from it is that its forcing people to have the conversation about what the players are protesting over. for better or worse, we at least are having the convo. just from that standpoint alone, its mission accomplished.
I’m an actions speak louder than words kinda guy .... talks cheap .. lets do something to get the cops involved with kids ... to me ... thats the SOLUTION ...
Yours? ...
i mean look at jerry jones. he kneeled with his players, despite being in the media trying to play both sides. we can say a lot of things about jones, but one thing we have to say is that he ride or dies for his players. he sticks up for them cause he views them as family.
Jones did it the week after Mr. President ran his mouth about the kneeling ... that brought a lot of folks together for some reason ... *LOL* ....
Jones is a loyal ass guy .. to is players and coaches ... your correct about that .... there was “extenuating” circumstances that week .... thank god his egos so big and he thinks he knows more than he does ... *L* ...
but then you got guys like the texans owner. and come on bro, he makes comments as if he views his players as property. its weird.
Hes a racist old man ... He should be put out to pasture ...
No use for him or his ilk ...