Ohio State Offers To Vacate 2010 Football Wins, Including Sugar Bowl Friday

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Stupid question, but do opposing teams also vacate their losses?

I don't believe so, need to look into the rule's.

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Still win less vs the SEC in bowl games, and now just 6 or 7 straight vs um, ive lost count.

See, this is something of a silly point for me. If you ask me if OSU beat an SEC team last year in a bowl game...I'd say yes. If you ask me who won the Heisman in 2005...I'd tell you Reggie Bush. If you ask me who won all those games for Michigan in the 90's...I'd say the Fab 5.

It happened. We all saw the events. Take the award, title, or wins from the stat sheet all you want....they still happened in my book.

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they still happened in my book.

As did Denver missing the field goal in the 1986 over time ..ala the drive game.

Wow...Just WOW...

Classic case of Cover Thy Ass...

Note to the AD at OSU...

The NCAA is still gonna hammer u with Scholarships and Bowl Games...Regardless of how much YOU decide to do with Tressell and Games forfeited...

WOW...And where;s this POS Pryor in all this???...Oh...BURN Pryor...Stupidity all around...

where I think OSU has been terrible in all of this is keeping themselves in the news cycle.

it's been a slow drip of information coming out and the university themselves are responsible for much of it (changing Tressel's punishment, what 3 times? constantly coming out with new reports, etc.)

had they just kept everything under the hood, come up with 1 comprehensive self-audit, and self-imposed sanctions, then it would at least be better from a PR perspective.

Here's what I don't get:

There's been no definitive charges that Pryor did anything wrong with regard to cars.

There's been nothing new about the players involved since the season ended.

The NCAA suspended the players in question for games next season ...... and allowed the season to stand as it was. Their penalty was for next year.

The coach, as stated above, "fell on his sword". He took it for the team.

So .... why would OSU decide to vacate their entire season? They already did what the NCAA said they should do.

Plus, now the team is penalized for last season ... and for next season as well.

I just don't get it.

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Here's what I don't get:

There's been no definitive charges that Pryor did anything wrong with regard to cars.

There's been nothing new about the players involved since the season ended.

The NCAA suspended the players in question for games next season ...... and allowed the season to stand as it was. Their penalty was for next year.

The coach, as stated above, "fell on his sword". He took it for the team.

So .... why would OSU decide to vacate their entire season? They already did what the NCAA said they should do.

Plus, now the team is penalized for last season ... and for next season as well.

I just don't get it.

The NCAA won't annouce the official punishment for OSU until late August. OSU vacated the wins in an effort to lessen the punishment. Plus, the NCAA would have made them vacate the wins wither way, so do it willingly rather than making them do it.

So Michigan finally figured out how to get a W against the Bucks?

Vacating these wins means nothing in reality. Maybe they have to return a few trophies or take down a banner or something but the reality is that the wins are only enjoyed by the fans in the moment. Does anyone really care about the win over xyz school from last year NOW? No. We Bucks fans enjoyed the win then and that's all that mattered.

Now, if more sanctions come down where we can't enjoy future victories...then it'll be a problem. Until that next season

"So Michigan finally figured out how to get a W against the Bucks?"

No, Michigan didnt do anything, from the osu perspective, it's like the season (record wise) didnt exist. The question is, how do the records of the teams we beat get affected?

Does Michigan have 1 fewer loss against osu?

Some clown on ESPN said OSU should recieve a 5 year bowl ban

FYI that is worse than USC punishment. There is a huge difference between the two. USC was arrogant and didn't want to cooperate at all. OSU has tried and cooperated.

Tressell gone, players suspended this year, vacate 2010 season wins, I would call that fair.

What did USC do and what was their punishment?

USC's scandal involved an agent, an assistant coach, tennis player, basketball player, football player and a big fat LOIC in THREE sports. Ohio State's scandal involves a head football coach and 6 players trading memoribilia for tats and cash and ONLY football. NO agent and NO LOIC.

The head coach is the big problem....the HC is viewed as an extension of the administration.

This was a nice preemptive move by OSU. It shows they understand the depth of the problem they face and it may lessen what the NCAA finally doles, but IMO there will be lost scholarships and post season bans...the question is how many and how long??

I hope the NCAA views these actions and allows some consideration when finally rendering a decision.

The fact that they are cooperating is huge.

I anticipate 2-3 year bowl ban max and loss of scholarships.

I don't think it will be more than 2 years, if that. When OU came forward, albeit initially instead of after the fact, they only lost scholarships. The cover up might garner them 2 years of bowl bans but not more, IMO.

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The fact that they are cooperating is huge.

I anticipate 2-3 year bowl ban max and loss of scholarships.

Sounds about right....though the bowl ban may be less depending on the numbers of scholarships lost....if it's high enough, they will be out of the bowl pic for a while....at least the type of bowl we are accustomed to seeing....where does the 3rd ,4th, or 5th place Big Ten team play??

But I would say at least a year.....maybe two.

j/c

So, since OSU is now vacating their Sugar Bowl victory, does this mean I now need to wear an Arkansas shirt in public? I had a bet with an Uncle who is a professor at Arkansas. Winner buys the loser a shirt from winner's school. Loser wears said shirt in public and gets photo taken. So, now does this mean I've lost the bet?

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Some clown on ESPN said OSU should recieve a 5 year bowl ban

Had to be Mark May.

Ohio State waives fine, instead will pay Tressel $52,250

By Encarnacion Pyle
The Columbus Dispatch

Former Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel asked the university to allow him to retire instead of resign so he could be a Buckeye for the rest of his life, his attorney, Rex Elliott, said this afternoon.

"It leaves no doubt about his love for Ohio State and his desires to be a Buckeye forever," Elliott said.

Tressel officially retired from Ohio State on June 30, according to an agreement outlining his terms of departure that was signed today by the former coach and OSU President E. Gordon Gee.

Ohio State announced his resignation as head coach on May 30 amid increasingly bad publicity after Gee had proclaimed that Tressel wouldn't be fired even though had not revealed that he knew that at least two of his players had sold football memorabilia or traded them for tattoos, which are NCAA violations.

His contract was to expire on Jan. 31, 2015. If he had stayed, Tressel would have received about $3.6 million for the coming season.

Besides agreeing to change his resignation to retirement, Ohio State backed off its vow to collect a $250,000 fine for violating NCAA rules. Tressel argued that he had paid enough, Elliott said.

"Stepping down after 10 years as the Buckeyes' head coach will cost him far more than $250,000," he said.

Before his resignation, Tressel was to have been sanctioned with a five-game suspension in addition to being fined.

Instead, the university will pay him $52,250 - the equivalent of the salary and benefits he would have earned through the end of June 30th.

OSU's decision to drop the fine goes against an assertion by Gee last month that Tressel would be required to pay no matter what the other terms of his departure were.

"We've levied a $250,000 fine against the coach, and he will pay that," Gee told The Dispatch on June 11th.

Gee could not be reached this afternoon.

Tressel also will collect his unpaid sick and vacation time up to 250 hours and will be eligible for health-insurance coverage for himself and his family under the plan available to all state retirees, according to the settlement.

"I am grateful for this opportunity to retire from the university that I so deeply respect and that I will continue to support," Tressel said in a news release.

Ohio State also was required to respond today to the NCAA's formal allegations to the school.

That report includes a response by Tressel, 58, who says he should have reported the players when he first learned about the infractions in April 2010 and not signed a certificate of compliance on Sept. 13 that year.

In his statement, Tressel continues to maintain that he withheld the information because he feared for the safety of the players because the tattoo-parlor owner was a target in a federal drug investigation.

Under his contract, Tressel was to be offered a tenured faculty position at Ohio State, but Gee said last month that the coach's return as a teacher was "highly unlikely."

In their response to the NCAA violations allegations, Ohio State officials characterize Tressel's handling of the memorabilia tip as "out of character for him" and "contrary to his proven history of promoting an atmosphere of NCAA compliance within the football program."

During his years at Ohio State, Tressel wore a trademark sweater vest on the sidelines and had built up an image of having strong personal character and faith as well as for taking responsibility for life's challenges.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2011/07/08/0708-ohio-state-tressel.html

Arkansas did not win.

The game "didn't exist" basically.

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Besides agreeing to change his resignation to retirement, Ohio State backed off its vow to collect a $250,000 fine for violating NCAA rules. Tressel argued that he had paid enough, Elliott said.

So OSU went from collecting 250K from him to giving him 52K?

Not that the dude is hurting for cash but that will buy a lot of sweater vests.

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Arkansas did not win.

The game "didn't exist" basically.

Thanks! If that's the case, I now have a pic of my Uncle wearing OSU gear while he lectures his psych class of about 150 students for no reason. LOL!

Over 10 years, there have been 28 cases that were major but lacked a violation of bylaw 2.8.1.

Anyone want to wager a guess how many of those 28 programs received a postseason ban? Anyone?

Answer: ZERO.

https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/miSearch

I brought facts, now let haters bring "opinons."

If we get hit worse than USC it is a joke.

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The head coach is the big problem....the HC is viewed as an extension of the administration.

This was a nice preemptive move by OSU. It shows they understand the depth of the problem they face and it may lessen what the NCAA finally doles, but IMO there will be lost scholarships and post season bans...the question is how many and how long??

I hope the NCAA views these actions and allows some consideration when finally rendering a decision.

I agree wholeheartedly... unfortunately because of O'Brien a few years back OSU is a repeat offender as well... I see them getting a little less than the USC punishment... I'd expect a 1-2 year ban of post-season play and some scholarship loss... it'll be interesting to see when the ruling actually comes down though, if we do lose post-season play will it take in affect for the 2012 season if the season has already started.

The basketball violations from 2006 is what people are forgetting in all of this.

The NCAA will not look at this as "Oh, that was basketball, this is football ... Two seperate issues"

The NCAA will view them as a repeat offender that "lacks institutional control" (That will be the phrase they use).

Two year bowl ban, loss of scholarships is my guess.

I was one who originally forgot about the basketball issues which is why I just laugh at Smith when he says he thinks that the self imposed sanctions will be sufficient... I'll be a little surprised if Smith makes it through all this without getting retired...

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In a positive for the school, the NCAA did not cite Ohio State for "failure to monitor" or "failure of institutional control" violations. That charge typically carries the largest penalties.

"That was very significant," a person close to the investigation told The Columbus Dispatch.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...s-jim-tressel/1

Ok, this is just kind of creepy..

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i've seen worse at Irish wakes

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Over 10 years, there have been 28 cases that were major but lacked a violation of bylaw 2.8.1.

Anyone want to wager a guess how many of those 28 programs received a postseason ban? Anyone?

Answer: ZERO.

https://web1.ncaa.org/LSDBi/exec/miSearch

I brought facts, now let haters bring "opinons."

If we get hit worse than USC it is a joke.

I doubt they get hit worse than USC. I actually see OSU's punishment being the same as USC's, or very similar.

And no one knows what violations will be rendered in August. Nothing is known for sure yet.

Candy's point was a valid one. USC got hit with the dreaded 'lack of institutional control' violation. OSU did not have this come up and the NCAA basically outlined Tressel as a scapegoat (and so the Buckeyes/Tressel complied).

If the Buckeyes get hit with sanctions that mimic the USC ones, then the NCAA would have to also up the charges (which they can do from their investigation if they wish).

It'll be interesting nonetheless and I just hope whatever happens it happens in August so we don't have a guillotine hanging over our heads like UNC does (and apparently Auburn).

If something new comes up then OSU has to have an extension to prepare themselves.

I posted a link saying they won't be hit with LOIC.

After listening to all this on the radio daily at work, watching this on TV, and reading about this on the internet, what does this boil down to?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't about 6 players trading or selling their pants, autograph, etc for tattoos about $12,000 worth, and Tressell lying to cover it up. The car thing was proven false.

The players are missing 5 games, 1 of them is gone now, and the coach resigned. And they forfeited all of 2010. So what am I missing that OSU will get hit so hard?

You are correct.

Let's clear this up. The tat 5 are already going to be punished

The meeting in August is about Tressel.

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You are correct.

Let's clear this up. The tat 5 are already going to be punished

The meeting in August is about Tressel.

It is not only about Tressel. It is about everything the NCAA investigated, like the players, the lying, the cars, the past (Antonio Pittman saying it had happened since he was there). All of that will come into play, not just Tressel.

Could you provide me a link or are you speculating?

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i've seen worse at Irish wakes

Wow, I just thought that was sort of funny and creepy.. I didn't mean to rip the bandaid off the whole topic.

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Could you provide me a link or are you speculating?

It is a hearing over what was in the notice of allegations, which was all of those things, and it also leaves it open for anything else that may have been found. EDIT: I reviewed the NoA, and there was no mention of cars, but improper benefits, so I wa swrong about cars specifically.

Most of the Notice was about Tressel, but I really dount thye simply say "Oh, it was all Tressel, and he is gone now, so don't worry about it." Plus, with OSU giving Tressel the "easy" way out, I don't know how the NCAA will view that.

I'm no OSU homer, I just like college football, but it seems to me this has been a witch hunt. Everyone knew about the players getting tats before the sugar bowl, hell the ncaa cleared them to play, I'm assuming the NCAA knew about the 5 game suspension before they ruled them eligible for the game.

All that leaves is Tressell lying, and he resigned.

If I had to bet, I would bet OSU does not get any bowl ban, tv ban, or any loss of scholarships.

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I'm no OSU homer, I just like college football, but it seems to me this has been a witch hunt. Everyone knew about the players getting tats before the sugar bowl, hell the ncaa cleared them to play, I'm assuming the NCAA knew about the 5 game suspension before they ruled them eligible for the game.

All that leaves is Tressell lying, and he resigned.

If I had to bet, I would bet OSU does not get any bowl ban, tv ban, or any loss of scholarships.

Just saw on http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/

Georgia Tech had a player in 2009 receive $312 in impermissable benefits, and they were required to forfeit their entire season. Their coach is gone from that time, and the player was as well.

So, going from that, OSU will get punished more than that simply because they committed more violations. They had more players involved, and their coach lied to the NCAA, plus anything that hasn't been released if there is anything.

I think OSU at least loses a few scholarships, and maybe a 1 year ban from bowls.

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and they were required to forfeit their entire season.

The article I read said they had to vacate every game after November 24, which included their championship game..

In another case, a football player who accepted $312 worth of clothing from a sports agency employee was allowed to play in the final three games of the 2009 season, including the ACC championship game and a BCS bowl game, the NCAA said. The ACC victory gave Georgia Tech its first BCS bowl berth (the school was ordered to vacate all wins after Nov. 24, 2009, but of the three games affected, the only win was over Clemson).

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I guess it is another precedent by which to gauge how OSU will be punished.

Ok, that makes sense.. so by state law, legally the dealerships can loan the cars but the NCAA still has to determine if that is a "benefit" to the players.. that makes sense.

Could get ugly if this is true.

http://www.10tv.com/live/content/local/s...ip.html?sid=102

COLUMBUS, Ohio — Former Ohio State football coach Jim Tressel told investigators that he first notified the university's top compliance staff he had a "tip" about issues related to the team's tattoo scandal in December 2010, nearly a month earlier than the university claimed.

Multiple sources told 10 Investigates' Paul Aker that Tressel claimed he verbally disclosed the tip he received about his players' involvement with tattoo shop owner Ed Rife around Dec. 16 to compliance director Doug Archie, Julie Vannatta, Ohio State's senior assistant general counsel, and perhaps others.

10 Investigates asked Vannatta about the claim. She said that she is aware Tressel made such a statement, but that it is not true.

The university has always claimed that it did not learn about what Tressel knew until Jan. 13, after discovering e-mails on the topic during an "unrelated legal matter."

Based on interviews with multiple sources who had access to transcripts of Tressel's statement during a Feb. 8 NCAA investigation, Tressel claimed to have told athletic director Gene Smith, Vannatta and Archie of his tip, Aker reported.

The revelation came during an "informal" investigative meeting held by the school following a letter the university received from the U.S. Department of Justice on Dec. 9. The letter alerted the university that some players had traded their Big Ten championship rings, football jerseys and gold pants, a pendant that players receive from the University for beating Michigan for tattoos.

After receiving the letter, the university immediately conducted interviews with Tressel and then with players, Aker reported. Sources familiar with the case confirmed to 10 Investigates that a player told Vannatta that during one of the meetings, Tressel discussed related issues with him in the spring of 2010. Upon learning the information, Vannatta and others spoke to Tressel again on Dec. 16.

During the meeting, Tressel claims he described the tips as coming from an attorney who was once a walk-on player. Tressel has also said he described the tip as involving the players' "social choices off field."

Tressel was disciplined and ultimately resigned for his failure to disclose his tip upon learning it in April 2010, when he received e-mails from attorney Chris Cicero.

Sources close to the university investigation said that during a February investigative interview, nobody questioned Tressel about the nature of the tip or what "social choices" meant.

On Thursday, the university categorically denied that Tressel has ever told anybody related to the investigation that he disclosed the nature of his tip in December.

another much ado about nothing. he mentioned something vague like 'social choices'? the university isn't going to get hit on that one.

anyways, should be just a couple weeks till the NCAA puts this one to bed (hopefully). whatever the sanctions are going to be, let's just get them and start dealing with tehm.

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another much ado about nothing. he mentioned something vague like 'social choices'? the university isn't going to get hit on that one.

anyways, should be just a couple weeks till the NCAA puts this one to bed (hopefully). whatever the sanctions are going to be, let's just get them and start dealing with tehm.

If they didn't question it, or try to look into it? That is their job.

That, and they claimed they knew absolutely nothing until finding the emails in January.

it depends on how Tressel said it during those interviews. i mean, how many different things can 'social choices' mean? that is ridiculous and i doubt the NCAA cared too much about that one.

i mean there's a lot bigger fires for them to have gone digging through, afterall.

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it depends on how Tressel said it during those interviews. i mean, how many different things can 'social choices' mean? that is ridiculous and i doubt the NCAA cared too much about that one.

i mean there's a lot bigger fires for them to have gone digging through, afterall.

Right, I agree that it is a vague statement, but it is their job to look into anything, especially after they received a tip from the government as well. Tresell should have forthcoming with it, but when he makes a random statement like that, it is also OSU's job to question him on it.

Kind of pointless at this point, but we will see in August.

ok. so they just say they did look into it. and it took a month of sifting through information and emails, which is the reason they found it. i think they have enough 'outs' on this one.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/spo...ns.html?sid=101

USC: Lack of institutional control.
Georgia Tech: Failure to monitor....failure to cooperate with the NCAA
North Carolina: Failure to monitor
Tennesee: Failure to monitor

OSU: None of the above.

sports talk radio, twitter, and the like are going to explode when the Buckeyes get less severe penalties than those schools. but, if this report is true, then that is exactly what is going to happen.

Maybe so, but Tressel is either covering his ass or telling the truth....Things can change as this comes out.

This isn't looking good.

and haters are either going to hate, or hate.

This sure seem to me like it's almost over ..... and there wasn't much to start with ..... and the school took appropriate actions.

I see very little happening as far as penalties.

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and haters are either going to hate, or hate.

You always say that, and that isn't the case.

It's about right and wrong.

I didn't write the story.

this is just describing in more detail a conversation which we already knew about months ago and which the university mentioned in it's self-report to the NCAA months ago. I chalk it up as typical example of Tressel answering a question without answering the question, which he is very good at. Really by December it is pretty much a moot point. If he had been more forthcoming then, or if he was interviewed more carefully then and forced to be more forthcoming, the university would have known his role and reported it a little bit sooner, but they would not have known the players were ineligible any sooner.

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http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/spo...ns.html?sid=101

USC: Lack of institutional control.
Georgia Tech: Failure to monitor....failure to cooperate with the NCAA
North Carolina: Failure to monitor
Tennesee: Failure to monitor

OSU: None of the above.

Not so fast my friend...

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/11/ohio_state_self-imposes_loss_o.html

NCAA will bump up the suspensions probably about the same as USC's number and I believe tOSU will get a 3 year bowl ban starting this year.