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Posted By: TrooperDawg Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 08:17 PM
Pushes security official...argues with girl friend...

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ezeki...music-festival/
Posted By: cfrs15 Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 08:57 PM
I don't care about all the other stuff.

How much does he weigh? He looks like he's 260 pounds.
Posted By: Dave Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 09:14 PM
What was his girlfriend wearing?
Posted By: archbolddawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:06 PM
Didn't look like much.
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:07 PM
Originally Posted By: Dave
What was his girlfriend wearing?


Pretty typical garb for an EDM show.
Posted By: EveDawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:12 PM
She wore a thong and pasties.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:13 PM
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


We've come a long was from, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.
Posted By: Dave Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:21 PM
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


Is her name Tiffany or Misty?
Posted By: Tulsa Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:34 PM
Originally Posted By: Dave
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


Is her name Tiffany or Misty?


Britknee.
Posted By: Dave Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/20/19 10:45 PM
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: Dave
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


Is her name Tiffany or Misty?


Britknee.


Whatever her name is, her parents must be so proud. But we digress; this is about Zeke Elliott, who can't seem to go through an off-season without getting his face on TMZ.
Posted By: Milk Man Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:07 AM
Waiting for the random drug test to come following the incident.
Posted By: Day of the Dawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:19 AM
This is not really surprising. Actually typical for him.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:33 AM
Did you watch the video?
Posted By: Day of the Dawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:38 AM
Yes. He gets in trouble every off season.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:40 AM
Can you post a link to the trouble he got into last off-season? Also, what did he do that was so wrong in this particular video? Was he arrested? Did he hit anyone? Did he run from the cops?
Posted By: Day of the Dawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:48 AM
Ok maybe he took last off season off. I was wrong. Here is an article from his past which makes last night look more like a pattern of poor behavior with women.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2761...ff-field-issues
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:49 AM
Believe man, I know his history.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 01:41 AM
Come on zeke... so how many games does he get?!? Just can't stay out of trouble...
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 01:43 AM
Quote:
so how many games does he get?!?


What do you mean? Games he will be suspended? It should be zero. He didn't even do anything even close to warranting a suspension.

Too many headline readers.
Posted By: jaybird Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 02:05 AM
I read it... handcuffed and while handcuffed through his body into a security guard... And he said previously been suspended for off the field issues... I think if this was an isolated incident I don't think it warrants a suspension... but wouldn't be surprised if he gets suspended
Posted By: UrbanaDawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 02:08 AM
This video is bs. The security guard flopped. Do you REALLY call that a shove come on! Show me something that is illegal TMZ! Like the last video from the parade, nothing was done wrong . Move along.
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 02:57 AM
Originally Posted By: Tulsa
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


We've come a long was from, She Wore a Yellow Ribbon.



Not if a yellow ribbon is all she was wearing....

[rim shot]
Posted By: Clemdawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 02:57 AM
Originally Posted By: Dave
Originally Posted By: EveDawg
She wore a thong and pasties.


Is her name Tiffany or Misty?


Cinnamon
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 11:44 AM
Originally Posted By: UrbanaDawg
This video is bs. The security guard flopped. Do you REALLY call that a shove come on! Show me something that is illegal TMZ! Like the last video from the parade, nothing was done wrong . Move along.


Agreed, he was obviously buzzed/drunk, you could see him stumbling. The guard said something to him, and he got up to him, his arms were outstretched and he kind of stumbled into the guard he was up against the rail leaning on it, and lost his balance and went down.

No push, no shove, a while lot of nothing.

If this was any joe schmoe, there would not have been cameras following them around for so long, and the whole thing would have gone unnoticed, unreported, and been blown off as a stumbling drunk.
Posted By: Tulsa Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:07 PM
Give him a game for being a public, stumbling drunk.
Posted By: devicedawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:39 PM
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
I don't care about all the other stuff.

How much does he weigh? He looks like he's 260 pounds.



Hahaha....


He looks bigger than 5'9" 210 lbs....
Posted By: leadtheway Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 12:56 PM
the hair adds 15 inches
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 03:31 PM
Originally Posted By: FloridaFan
Originally Posted By: UrbanaDawg
This video is bs. The security guard flopped. Do you REALLY call that a shove come on! Show me something that is illegal TMZ! Like the last video from the parade, nothing was done wrong . Move along.


Agreed, he was obviously buzzed/drunk, you could see him stumbling. The guard said something to him, and he got up to him, his arms were outstretched and he kind of stumbled into the guard he was up against the rail leaning on it, and lost his balance and went down.

No push, no shove, a while lot of nothing.

If this was any joe schmoe, there would not have been cameras following them around for so long, and the whole thing would have gone unnoticed, unreported, and been blown off as a stumbling drunk.

Zeke didn't stumble into the guard. He clearly went up to him with intent, says "You got something to say" and bodied/forearmed him, knocking him over a metal gate. Then he throws his arms up and says "I didn't do anything!" rolleyes

Click on the TMZ link and watch the video around the 1:10 mark.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 03:43 PM
j/c

Mountain, meet mole hill.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 03:45 PM
I'm very surprised to see that most others think that it is ok that an NFL player uses his size and strength to body a security guard, who was just standing there, over a metal gate.

Watch the video. If you think Zeke did that on accident then I don't know what to tell you.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 03:56 PM
Mountain meet mole hill.
Posted By: FloridaFan Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 03:58 PM
I watched the video, the guard says something, Zeke puts his arms out with the "Got something to say", then steps towards him, then you see Zeke stumble like a drunk usually stumbles.

I do think he approached the guy, but I don't think the "push" was intentional.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 04:03 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Mountain meet mole hill.

I thought the same thing when you took offense when another poster made a reference about one of our old coaches jumping in the lake in June. Happens to the best of us I suppose.

But seriously, this is not how a good person acts. I know that we're all used to seeing our NFL players throw women to the ground or break their son's arm, so that when someone like Zeke pulls down a woman's top in public when she is not paying attention, or 'walks' a security guard over a metal fence, it's not such a big deal. Well, I actually happen to think those things are kind of a big deal and expect better from people.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 04:10 PM
There's a world of difference between criminal activity and "being a good person".

And yeah, if someone goes on forever about a person that isn't even in the NFL anymore, their obsession is stupid.
Posted By: Dave Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 04:30 PM
I agree that he used his right forearm/elbow to make contact with the security guard. I also think that the way he got up in the security guard's face could be construed as "threatening", which is pretty much the definition of Assault, legally speaking.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/assault

Assault

Definition:
The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 04:41 PM
Check the TMZ link too. The spokesperson for the Las Vegas Metro Police Department called it misdemeanor battery. However, the security guard wouldn't press charges so nothing came of it.

I wonder what the NFL will do about it. I'm guessing probably nothing but you never know.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/21/will-nfl-take-action-against-ezekiel-elliott/

Quote:
Will NFL take action against Ezekiel Elliott?
Posted by Mike Florio on May 21, 2019, 11:05 AM EDT

Two years ago, the NFL aggressively disciplined Cowboys running back Ezekiel Elliott under the Personal Conduct Policy, suspending him for six games despite no arrest, no charges, and not even a civil lawsuit alleging assault or battery in a domestic relationship. Regardless of any flaws in the NFL’s investigation or internal prosecution (and there were plenty), Elliott eventually served the suspension in full after dropping his legal fight.

And the suspension of Elliott came with this stern admonition: “You must have no further adverse involvement with law enforcement, and must not commit any additional violations of league policies. In that respect, you should understanding that another violation of this nature may result in your suspension or potential banishment for the NFL.”

Now, a video has emerged showing Elliott in the face of a security guard at a music festival in Las Vegas, moving toward the guard and either causing the guard to fall down or, possibly, shoving him toward the ground with a right arm that potentially extended elbow first in the direction of the guard. Elliott was not arrested or charged with any sort of crime, and the Cowboys have no issue with what has come to light.

But that’s not the end of it, as Elliott and the rest of us learned in 2017. The league will do whatever the league is going to do, and the league typically does whatever it wants to do.

In this case, the league could take action, if it chooses to. The first specific example of prohibited conduct in the Personal Conduct Policy targets “[a]ctual or threatened physical violence against another person.” (Emphasis added.) Even if the league determines that Elliott made no contact with the guard, the league could conclude that Elliott converged on the guard — uttering “you got something to say?” — in a threatening manner, which prompted the guard to back away until he fell down.

If the league finds a violation of the Personal Conduct Policy, it would be a minor one at worst. Given Elliott’s history, however, that could still lead to a major problem. “Repeat offenders will be subject to enhanced and/or expedited discipline, including banishment from the league with an opportunity to reapply,” the Personal Conduct Policy states.

Given the suspension from 2017, the warning communicated to Elliott at the time, and the league’s proclivity to take aggressive action against players accused or any type of violence regardless of criminal consequences or lack thereof, it makes sense to pay close attention to what the league does or doesn’t do in response to the emergence of a video that arguably shows enough to cause the league to conclude that Elliott is a repeat offender under the Personal Conduct Policy.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 04:47 PM
Interesting comment there as well:

Originally Posted By: sigbouncer

This doesn’t even address the bigger picture. Elliott’s girlfriend is very clearly trying to get away from him and Elliott refuses to let her. Picking up his pace to get in front of her so she cannot get past him. Then there is apparently some shouting going on by Elliott after the girlfriend says “leave me alone” very loudly. Then Elliott becomes aware that security is checking out the situation. Once Elliott sees security has their eye on him he quickly moves away from his girlfriend. So Elliott was full on with his intent to bully the girl until he got caught. Then Elliott tries to bully the smaller security guard (bypassing the bigger security guys) and possibly has a physical contact with the smaller security guy that coincides with the guy going down.
Posted By: FORTBROWNFAN Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 05:14 PM
I did not read all the posts completely but the only thing "controversial I recall was when he pulled down the top of a woman standing next to him while they were watching a parade or something. Details are fuzzy in my mind. IIRC she was laughing and appeared to be a friend but not girlfriend.

It made the news but I have no idea if the league even said anything. Other than that I don't recall any issues. But then, I don't pay all that much attention to events of athletes getting into trouble. It always seems to end up like a political issue.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 05:39 PM
He was suspended for six games in 2017 but that was based on a domestic violence allegation. I don't remember all the details on that but it was heavily debated at the time. However, I believe the 'pulling the top down' incident was also factored into that suspension. Again.. details are a bit hazy here.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 06:37 PM
j/c:

These threads always become so freaking bizarre w/their double standards.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/21/19 08:48 PM
What are the double standards you are talking about?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 02:48 PM
Definition:
The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required.


rofl

And people wonder why the term snowflake has become so popular.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 03:16 PM
If you are going to talk about snowflakes, start with people who get offended when somebody says something mean about them. Or they get so rattled by somebody saying the wrong word that they actually think words = violence. Those are the real snowflakes.

Somebody gets pushed over a metal gate, that is a textbook case of assault and/or battery, depending on the jurisdiction. A mild form of it to be sure, but you fall onto a metal gate and see what happens. You'll probably just get a bruise, but I've seen people throw their backs out from less. If acknowledging that makes me a snowflake, then so be it.
Posted By: Dave Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 03:26 PM
Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Definition:
The definition of assault varies by jurisdiction, but is generally defined as intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact. Physical injury is not required.


rofl

And people wonder why the term snowflake has become so popular.


I would guess that definition was part of the assault statutes a long time before anyone ever used "snowflake" as a pejorative. Whatever your opinion of it may be, it is the law.
Posted By: jfanent Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 03:36 PM
I've seen worse in our hospital cafeteria line when they're running low on home made cheesecake....and that's by the senior citizen volunteers!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 03:55 PM
Originally Posted By: Haus
If you are going to talk about snowflakes, start with people who get offended when somebody says something mean about them. Or they get so rattled by somebody saying the wrong word that they actually think words = violence. Those are the real snowflakes.


Here's the issue....

Quote:
intentionally putting another person in reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact


The word intent and apprehension are purely subjective terms. I've seen people get apprehensive when they see a bee. I've seen people get so upset they appear to be very angry. Maybe they are. So since that makes someone else apprehensive, are they guilty of assault because the person was angry?

It's just plain stupidity and a way the law can be misused to fit a prosecutors agenda.

Actually this fits your very description of words equal violence since no violence actually needs to occur.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 04:02 PM
"reasonable apprehension of an imminent harmful or offensive contact."

Quote:
The word intent and apprehension are purely subjective terms. I've seen people get apprehensive when they see a bee. I've seen people get so upset they appear to be very angry. Maybe they are. So since that makes someone else apprehensive, are they guilty of assault because the person was angry?

Who would be guilty of assault, the bee? What are you even talking about?
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 04:42 PM
I made it simple enough for the third grader. Maybe I should make it more complicated for you? When there is no physical contact, you have no idea if there would have been. Just because someone feels apprehensive does not mean the other person committed a crime.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 05:24 PM
That's where the word reasonable comes in.

Say you go up to someone with a raised and clenched fist and say, "I'm going to punch your lights out!", that is assault. The actual punching part is battery although definitions can vary on this depending on the jurisdiction.

What Zeke did is misdemeanor battery, that is exactly what Las Vegas police called it, but the security guard refused to press charges, which effectively ends a case like this. It can still be seen plain as day on video:

https://youtu.be/BvmMULX9WTQ?t=70

Zeke goes up to the security guard, who is just standing there, and Zeke says "You got something to say?" Zeke then bodies into him and extends his right forearm/elbow into the security guard, making him fall over and onto a metal gate.

You can click the link above which starts right before the incident. What do you see?
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 05:53 PM
A particularly good comment from some dawg over at PFT (not me):

Originally Posted By: dirtdawg53
The world is full of tough guys who think it isn’t a problem when a man interferes with a woman, or leans into a security guard.

Okay. Imagine any scenario where you’re not wanting to have a conversation with someone. And imagine that person is 2X, 3x, maybe 4x stronger than you. There is zero doubt they can lay a severe beating on you, if they choose. And they’re arguing with you. And you’re trying not to. But they keep cutting you off, getting in your way, following you around, preventing you from being clear of the situation.

Is that okay? Is it? Now try and use whatever limited cranial capacity you have. Is there any scenario where you think this is okay. Here, let me help you. It’s not okay.

Stop defending the undefensible.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 05:59 PM
Yep I see where Zeke was following him around and verbally threatening him. The law and the prosecutor has the right to file their own charges irrespective of the victim if they see something they deem worth pursuing.

They chose not to. That alone speaks volumes.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/22/19 08:09 PM
I'm sure it was a practical decision. Misdemeanor battery with no injury, going against top-notch lawyers without a cooperating witness, it's kind of hard to fault the prosecutor for not pursuing it.

Still, the video shows what the video shows. Don't be surprised if it ends up getting Zeke a suspension, especially since he's already a repeat offender under the personal conduct policy.
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/23/19 11:29 AM
Nothing surprises me anymore. I mean look at the mountain being made out of this mole hill already.
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/23/19 01:00 PM
It's always nice to pair that third grade logic with third grade sayings. Very congruent. wink
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/23/19 01:15 PM
#snowflake
Posted By: Bard Dawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/23/19 09:07 PM
Must have been a formal date. Zeke is that special in special ways. Dunce-man!
Posted By: PitDAWG Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 05/24/19 03:15 PM
Originally Posted By: Haus
It's always nice to pair that third grade logic with third grade sayings. Very congruent. wink


I have to keep things simple for some people. Wouldn't want it to fly over their heads.
Posted By: GratefulDawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 07/03/19 06:31 PM
Posted By: PortlandDawg Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 07/03/19 07:30 PM
Originally Posted By: GratefulDawg


Jer must have called Rog and had a chat.
Honest question to the board... If Zeke weren’t a Cowboy do you think this would have played out differently?
He did lean in on, and ostensibly shove a security guard to the ground... while publicly intoxicated... while having a past record of behaviors noted by the NFL...
Posted By: Haus Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 07/03/19 07:35 PM
Good question. It's hard to say. There has been a combination of lack of transparency and lack of consistency from Goodell and the NFL when it comes to levying punishment.

There easily could have been some back room deals or whatever. Or maybe Goodell thought he went a bit too hard on Zeke the first time around and cut him a break on this one. Who knows.
Posted By: Versatile Dog Re: Zeke Elliott at it again... - 07/04/19 01:21 AM
Jones and Goodell are rivals after the Commish unfairly suspended Zeke for 6 games a couple of years ago and Jones suggested getting rid of Goodell. So no, I don't think there is any favoritism at all.
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