At first because of the injury I had ruled him out. His prognosis is 5 to 7 months but he is ahead of schedule. From what I read about his surgery. It was a clean tear that they were very optimististic about.
I am sure at the Combine all his medical information was available.
As a player turn on the tape. I do not need a stop watch. He is the fastest player on the field at all times. He pulls away from db's - quickly.
There is fast and then there is past fast. That's him.
In addition he is not a just speed. He is a thoroughbred receiver. He is receiver first with great speed.
I don't think his injury is going to hurt his draft status if he can play in September. Maybe he is a little slow out of the gate. But this guy is legit.
No doubt a guy who hasn't been discussed a whole lot to this point. He might be the best of the receiver group.
As you said, guys come back from similar injury all the time. Chubbs injury while at Georgia may have been similar and it hasn't hurt him. I don't see any reason to shy away from Williams because of the injury, even if it does slow him down a bit at the beginning of the season. You are drafting a guy like that with 10 year expectations, you aren't very concerned with the first 4 games.
Williams is by far my top WR in the Draft, but a top DE might be just to hard to pass on depending on who is available when we pick.
I am currently seeing Walker and Johnson both shooting up the draft boards and being taken ahead of our #13 slot. Top 5 edge rushers might be long gone by the time we draft.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I am a buckeye season ticket holder and I am not surprised to see that you have a buckeye helmet as as avi with this comment.
I LOVED WIlson at OSU, I will miss him dearly. He played so big I could have sworn he was 6'3. He's 6' even and ran slower than Olave.
Williams is a year younger and was the best WR in the country last year. He's definitely faster from the film I've seen and seeing them live. If Williams is healthy it's not even a 1a and 1b, it's like 1 and 2 or maybe even 3.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I am a buckeye season ticket holder and I am not surprised to see that you have a buckeye helmet as as avi with this comment.
I LOVED WIlson at OSU, I will miss him dearly. He played so big I could have sworn he was 6'3. He's 6' even and ran slower than Olave.
Williams is a year younger and was the best WR in the country last year. He's definitely faster from the film I've seen and seeing them live. If Williams is healthy it's not even a 1a and 1b, it's like 1 and 2 or maybe even 3.
Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.
He's not better than Wilson or Olave, just different. Wilson is a do it all type WR he has played both slot and outside WR, really the only knock on him is he's a little slender and struggles some on contested catches but he is one of the best at getting open. Olave is a lot like Wilson only not quite as explosive but very sure handed. Williams is a more vertical player and doesn't really run the possession routes.
These guys all have great skill. They all play differently. It is about who fits best if receiver is the way they go.
Williams is one of the fastest players I have ever seen. Ever. He gets separation.
Burks is physical bruising type receiver. Big dude who fights for the ball.
Wilson is the best all around receiver. He does everything that a receiver is supposed to do.
London maybe the best fit. He is an outstanding blocker. He can play the slot and be the possession guy. He can split out and win outside with height and body position. He is a endzone mismatch. He is not a burner but he is a terrific YAC guy.
Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.
The same way Haskins was ahead of Burrow. Players develop at different rates and thrive in different situations. Health can play a factor.
I think too many people focus on the theoretical "best player" instead of the practical best fit when thinking about the draft. I think this is why so many players end up "misses"/"busts."
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.
The same way Haskins was ahead of Burrow. Players develop at different rates and thrive in different situations. Health can play a factor.
I think too many people focus on the theoretical "best player" instead of the practical best fit when thinking about the draft. I think this is why so many players end up "misses"/"busts."
Of the 4, Smith-Njigba is the best receiver in the group. Yet he barely played for the Buckeyes this past season.
Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.
The same way Haskins was ahead of Burrow. Players develop at different rates and thrive in different situations. Health can play a factor.
I think too many people focus on the theoretical "best player" instead of the practical best fit when thinking about the draft. I think this is why so many players end up "misses"/"busts."
Of the 4, Smith-Njigba is the best receiver in the group. Yet he barely played for the Buckeyes this past season.
While I agree with you about Smith-Njigba being the best I have to correct you about how much he played. He played in all 13 games and led the team in receiving. He is a slot receiver where traditionally they get less reps but OSU plays a ton of 3 wide.
At the bottom of the second linked article is snap counts thru Michigan game. Smith was the first of the three to be pulled early in the season when games were out of hand.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I agree.
Williams is a body catcher
I disagree. So does the tape. There are some body catches in here .... but there are a lot of great hand catches and a lot of great adjustments to off target throws.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I agree.
Williams is a body catcher
I disagree. So does the tape. There are some body catches in here .... but there are a lot of great hand catches and a lot of great adjustments to off target throws.
Wait... what?
:04 scoop (body catch) on the shoulder :21 good catch away from the body :39 has to come back and basket catch it :49 catches with body/scoops it 1:01 short arms it close to the body 1:15 short arms it close to his body almost with his shoulder (you can see it better on the replay at 1:38) 1:47 scoop/basket catch in the pads 1:58 breadbasket catch 2:45 great catch away from the body 3:00 basket/body catch 3:32 good catch 4:05 basket catch almost drops it (won't be a catch in the NFL)
Good WRs catch the ball with their hands away from their body and pull the ball to their body.
Obviously, some basket/scoop/awkward catches are fine and expected. However, Williams does scoops/basket catches almost all of the time. In fact, it's rare to see him catch away from his body.
Williams will have tons of drops/batted balls/picks because he doesn't catch with his hands away from his body.
I think you are being overly critical. Slant patterns that get thrown at the guy (into his body, not in front of him) were caught with his hands, he could not have feasibly extended his hands and caught the ball further away, and you are saying it's a short arm catch close to his body. Other throws were behind and low, and he adjusts and gets his hands and arms under the ball while adjusting his whole body to come back and go down and you have that as a 'scoop basket catch' like it's a negative.
He clearly has good hands. He clearly catches many balls with his hands. He also lets the ball drop into his basket over his shoulder - I have no problem with that. He might have caught a ball or two into his body where I'd prefer to see it be a hands catch. That can be coached if the guy has good hands, which he clearly does. Could he go get the ball at a higher point on some throws? Yes.
I think labelling him simply as "he's a body catcher" which was your first point, is misleading or just wrong. He's got a ton of talent.
https://atbnetwork.com/2022/02/05/jameson-williams-scouting-report/ Inconsistent technique catching passes, as he frequently allows balls to enter his chest rather than attacking and plucking the front point of the football. Struggles to maintain focus and composure at the catch point in traffic. Due to Williams’ long and slender frame, physical cornerbacks and safeties are able to overwhelm him with their play strength. This had led to many incomplete passes in contested catch situations.
https://www.silverandblackpride.com...jameson-williams-alabama-scouting-report He’s a body catcher and doesn't have natural hands, leading to drops on throws that are away from his torso. He also won’t bail out the quarterback on inaccurate passes — but still catchable — that are in front or behind him and above his waist
Right now my ranking would probably go
1a. Burks (better at breaking tackles and has a mean stiff-arm) 1b. Wilson 2. Dotson 3. Olave 4. Williams
So I have a smaller pool of draft sites I use/trust.
1 of them mentioned not catching the ball at the highest point and sometimes body catching ... Thedraftnetork is one I like a lot and had this comment on his hands:
"Hands: Williams displays good hands and the ability to pluck the ball out of the air. Displayed confidence in his hands and his ability to catch the ball away from his body. Understands how to adjust his hands depending on ball location. Had a couple of drops that were due to concentration more than ability. "
As I said - the highlight film shows him bread basket catching over his shoulder and on more than one deep pass. I also think it shows him using his hands & making great adjustments. No big deal either way. Williams is top on some boards and 4th or 5th on others. Burks only real concern for me is his rounded route running - or at least, not as polished as a guy like Wilson and Olave.
I said the fit is important and what is asked of the receiver.
In all honesty IMO Drake London is the best fit for the Browns offense.
He is a willing an excellent blocker. He played in the slot and X wideout.
He can be used in all routes all over the field. He is outstanding in run afrer catch.
He is a redzone nightmare for defenses because of his post up ability, length, catch radius, and the way he wins contested catches.
Baker is our quarterback. I like what London brings to Baker as a large target and go to ability. London is a smart player and it is my belief that he and Baker could form a real chemistry similar to Mahomes and Kelce.
I can see him in come back routes on broken plays. And really unstoppable on back shoulder throws.
I doubt there is anyone who is a bigger OSU supporter than myself. I do believe that I have done a pretty good job of separating the NCAA from the NFL though. Maybe that's why I have a hard time grasping the concept of how you could be a hater of Mayfield because of the failed flag plant attempt. Once we draft a player I don't care where he comes from. I don't care about his college playing days. In Mayfield's case my main concern is that because of that and other incidents I felt he was immature. Some kids outgrow that and some kids can't. We've witnessed that before. Mayfield seems to have done a pretty good job at maturing so that concern is now in the rear view mirror for me.
I've never pimped us drafting an OSU QB. They have had players like the Bosa brothers that I pimped but I think that was justified. I think Garret Wilson is a top 5 WR. Not at the very top of my list but certainly worthy of being on the list. But Olave? Nah, I just don't see it.
I think many of you all are sleeping on Olave. He had 11 multi-TD games in his career. Garrett Wilson had 4.
Wilson might be the flashier player, but making it look easy, as in Olave's case, can also be a good thing. It wouldn't surprise me if Olave ends up having the best pro career of all the receivers in this draft.
I wouldn't necessarily pick him first, but I think he's going to be a good pro.
How he isn't ranked in that top five is amazing. With Olave there and London not, I attribute it to 100% OSU homerism.
it's subjective. what is annoying is that it feels like... if someone doesn't agree with you, you attempt to try to tell everyone why they have an opinion in a way that you paint negatively.
All. The. Time
Drake London -
he is good at catching with his hands away from his body he can go up and make the high catches (could be good for Baker if he keeps throwing high)
he does not run polished routes and in the NFL DB's will jump his routes all the time he does not block al that well he has cement shoes in the quick feet department he will likely play X receiver (which is fine) he likes to pretend he is Petyon Hillis and jump over people - that doesn't work well in the NFL if he added 25 lbs he might be a better possession TE Ironically, he kind of reminds me a little of DPJ
So he's a lot like Mike Evans? He only catches everything that comes his way. He only wins the vast majority of contested catches. You know, the kind of WR you can throw the ball in his direction when you're under pressure and count on him coming down with the ball. How sad it would be to have a guy like that.
So he's a lot like Mike Evans? He only catches everything that comes his way. He only wins the vast majority of contested catches. You know, the kind of WR you can throw the ball in his direction when you're under pressure and count on him coming down with the ball. How sad it would be to have a guy like that.
I think that Burks is more similar to someone like Mike Evans or AJ Brown.
I actually think Drake London is more similar to Plaxico Burress.
I think many of you all are sleeping on Olave. He had 11 multi-TD games in his career. Garrett Wilson had 4.
Wilson might be the flashier player, but making it look easy, as in Olave's case, can also be a good thing. It wouldn't surprise me if Olave ends up having the best pro career of all the receivers in this draft.
I wouldn't necessarily pick him first, but I think he's going to be a good pro.
Olave is 100% a top wr talent. He's definitely in the discussion for top 3 or 4 WR in this class. I prefer Wilson because of more physicality and explosiveness... But Olave will be a really good WR in the NFL.
I don't. By that logic we wouldn't have drafted Newsome last year. Most everyone knows the math dictates Landry will now be cut. Cooper has never had more than eight TD's in a single season. He's no slouch by any stretch of the imagination but he's not the end all be all answer to fixing this WR group. Rookies can give you a huge upgrade at a small price compared to free agents. Who else would you consider a #1 or #2 WR on this roster with Landry gone? While it's a small sample size, Berry has rebuilt units that are weak, not tried to add a single player to accomplish that goal.
I personally think Garrett Wilson is the best receiver in this draft. He has the size, speed, and hands to be a stud in the NFL right off the bat. Little known fact...He went to the same High School Baker did.
I am a buckeye season ticket holder and I am not surprised to see that you have a buckeye helmet as as avi with this comment.
I LOVED WIlson at OSU, I will miss him dearly. He played so big I could have sworn he was 6'3. He's 6' even and ran slower than Olave.
Williams is a year younger and was the best WR in the country last year. He's definitely faster from the film I've seen and seeing them live. If Williams is healthy it's not even a 1a and 1b, it's like 1 and 2 or maybe even 3.
Can someone please explain to me then how Wilson, Olave, Smith-Njigba were all ahead of Williams if he was/is better than Wilson and Olave? Just curious, I follow OSU a little but not that much.
Williams wanted to be a feature player and that was never going to happen at OSU.
I doubt there is anyone who is a bigger OSU supporter than myself. I do believe that I have done a pretty good job of separating the NCAA from the NFL though. Maybe that's why I have a hard time grasping the concept of how you could be a hater of Mayfield because of the failed flag plant attempt. Once we draft a player I don't care where he comes from. I don't care about his college playing days. In Mayfield's case my main concern is that because of that and other incidents I felt he was immature. Some kids outgrow that and some kids can't. We've witnessed that before. Mayfield seems to have done a pretty good job at maturing so that concern is now in the rear view mirror for me.
I've never pimped us drafting an OSU QB. They have had players like the Bosa brothers that I pimped but I think that was justified. I think Garret Wilson is a top 5 WR. Not at the very top of my list but certainly worthy of being on the list. But Olave? Nah, I just don't see it.
Olave ran a better 40 and is clearly a better route runner. I think people are significantly over rating one or both at the next level.
Wilson could be Anquan Bolden, Olave could be Marvin Harrison or they can both be marginally athletic WRs in a system that puts up ridiculous numbers.
--Jameson Williams --Garrett Wilson --Drake London --George Pickens --Chris Olave --Jahan Dotson --Treylon Burks (big slot/project) --Skyy Moore (slot only) --Khalil Shakir (slot) --David Bell (natural receiver w/o great physical gifts)
Questions: Christain Watson (uneven hands/tracking issues and age?) Justyn Ross (lack of production after breakout rookie season) Jalen Tolbert (already 23)
--Jameson Williams --Garrett Wilson --Drake London --George Pickens --Chris Olave --Jahan Dotson --Treylon Burks (big slot/project) --Skyy Moore (slot only) --Khalil Shakir (slot) --David Bell (natural receiver w/o great physical gifts)
Questions: Christain Watson (uneven hands/tracking issues and age?) Justyn Ross (lack of production after breakout rookie season) Jalen Tolbert (already 23)
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1. Jameson Williams 2. Garrett Wilson 3. Chris Olave 4. George Pickens 5. Drake London 6. Treylon Burks (big slot/project) 7. Skyy Moore (slot only) 8. Jahan Dotson 9. Jalen Tolbert (23) 10. John Metchie III
