If Stefanski can petition the league to play Wentz every week, the future is bright.

Great coaching performance on all sides of the ball and ST.

We won! Happy New Year everybody.

Deshaun has not progressed at the rate I think we all hoped he would.

That said, Amari Cooper is legit.

Another late season meaningless win. Great this team
Gets the Eric Mangini Award..
Can't wait to see the " just wait till next year we will have
The best offense in the AFC NORTH " comments

Yes, this will be a false sense of optimism after beating a team with one hand tied behind their backs.

Refs, feel free to merge with the other existing thread, or vise versa.

The offense = bad in the first @uarter
the offense = bad in the front of the 3rd @uarter.

The HC botched the end of the game running out of the clock.

Watson may not have got back to pre-layoff form.... and maybe he had some wide open receivers to hit today (in addition to some that were tighter) but some of the throws today looked very, very pretty.

The only reason why I watched the game was to see DW and if he is improving. The result probably guarantees another year or more for Stefanski - and as you say, Cooper is legit. Baring one insane year by Flash, Cooper to me is easily the most complete and best WR we have had since the return, what I enjoy most about watching him is that he seems always, and I mean always) to be in complete control of his body, route, hands, positioning in relation to the coverage.

Watson was very good in the 2nd half, we couldn’t get the ball downfield in the 1st but our HT adjustments seemed to work. Chubb over a hundred, and the run D, for the most part, had a great game. We gave up too many sacks in the first half but their front is beast-like.
Nice to see Cade with no misses

I believe the Browns org wants to win out.

I also believe that they used this game and next game to get Watson as many reps in different situations as possible

As has been said, these games are like practice games to help Watson for the start of next season

Didn't see any quit in the players

Delpit is stepping up

Was a little concerned on how the OL watched Watson escaping from a sack instead of getting in some blocks to help him out

Washington may be struggling at the QB position, but they have talent and in no way is a push over

Winning this game shows support from the players to the coaches and fans !

Kevin now 2 and 0 against that red team.
how many wins does he have against the Ravens, one?

He beats the NFC teams at a rate too often to not be the AFC being the team plays in the AFC.

Thank you Washington for starting Wentz.

The Browns are undefeated in 2023. LOL

Browns are undefeated this year!

Ron Rivera gets a game ball for starting Wentz.

Right now Wentz is broken.

Jones and Ragland have played well.

I did not expect a win, I think the outcome would have been different if Heineke played.

Good 2nd half. OUr offense finally was clicking and moving.

Cooper is legit as is Chubb … of course lol

Washington is awful

I think we are starting to see why we got Watson.

Amen. And it ain't all about the stats. If fans can't tell the difference between Watson and 'average', or even 'good', they need their eyes checked.

Not impressed, Wentz is shot but a win is a win I guess

Watson was pretty average today at best. Held the ball too long, was afraid to throw, ran into multiple sacks, and couldn't outrun a backup DL multiple times. His first TD pass came on a broken play, his second was a nice read, and his third was a nice scheme by Sterfanski. Took until midway through the third quarter to get going and passed for under 200 yds.

I think fans should be concerned first about Stefanski and second about Watson with Stefanski. While today wasn't a step back, I don't know that it was a step forward.

Had holiday company and only got to watch the first few offensive snaps. Good to hear Watson looks somewhat better.

I won’t dispute all your points, but we were under a lot of pressure in the first half and couldn’t get guys open down the field. I thought he made some picturesque throws in the second half, threw for three TDs and got the W. I’m good with his production this afternoon in your nation’s capital.

You got your wish and Mayfield is gone, you’re been ranting about KS for weeks but he isn’t going anywhere, you gonna use Watson as your new trolling target?

What did you see in this game that Brissett couldn't have done and was worth the near quarter of a billion guaranteed dollars and 3 first round draft picks?

Looks like we got a new member of the Rishuz fanclub.

Do you want to run for office? We still need a treasurer.

When you give up 3 1st RD picks for a QB, being
Good isn't good enough.at this point I don't see anything
About Watson through his handful of starts that defines
Special or elite. He struggled in GOOD WEATHER today for half
A game vs the Commanders
He looks like he lacks confidence as he scans the field
Like he is unsure where the ball is supposed to go.
Next year he has to be better than Burrow In order
To win the North

You have a fan club?

Biggest thing for myself if you don't mind me chiming in on your question to Peen

Was a 4th Quarter that kept an offense scoring and in the game not to lose

It is little things like this that the Browns have to overcome

a little step winning the 4th quarter battle

It's a win

I would agree with you, but the FO is still working on the petition last week for: opponents having to pass it less than 20 times all game, so Reggie Ragland can look like the next Michael Singletary.

Yes.

I’m only guessing, but I have a hunch that at half-time we schemed to get some deeper plays open. The 1st Watson-Cooper TD shifted momentum big-time. Great throw, The Amari Shake and to the house we go.

I don't understand how fans of a team can be so negative towards the team they root for

I sometimes think some fans are so miserable that losing is what they root for

The Browns won today ! Other teams have won

Pats win by two

KC wins by three over Denver

Saints win by 10 over the Eagles

The Chargers are just killing the Rams

Jets are losing to the Seahawks

Packers spanking the Vikings

The Browns win by 14 and most posts are negative

What the hell ! It's a win today

Hopefully the Browns win for a sweep next week

Sad thing is

There will be Browns Fans crying moaning and bitching if they do

GO Browns !

I don't want to win. I want the playoffs. I don't want wasted seasons. I don't think Stefanski is a good coach and I cannot envision him leading a team to the Super Bowl. This is why I am negative.

We've wasted back to back seasons with arguably top 5 players at DE, RB, CB, and G. We have a top ranked OL.

I just don't enjoy wins that are meaningless. That's just me and my fandom. I don’t begrudge anyone who enjoyed today. I just view it differently.

Rishuz, there have been many injuries on the Defense side of the ball

I feel ya and I know

But ya got to keep the positive in the fight

Eventually it will work out

I know most of us are getting older and the fear of not watching a Browns SB scares us

If I pass before a SB, Heaven or hell

Imma gonna celebrate like a MF !!!

200 against the steelers ?

Lol that would be nice

We actually have people making excuses as to why we won and saying Washington sucks. They don't suck. They were in the playoffs and we knocked them out.

As I've always said, a win is a win. I liked the win today. But, I don't believe the washington team was "in" the playoffs if they won today.

We won. That's what matters and it feels good. Hope next week is the same.

Who said they were in if they won today? No one. You are starting another fight after a day of drinking. You do it every Sunday night.

I'm glad you are mad the Browns won. I'm going to be watch the Steelers game, so feel free to spread more lies.

We won because we capitalized on Wentz's suckiness. Watson looked like he never played football for 70% of the game. He was HORRENDOUS!!

j/c...

- Browns win is a step closer to avoiding a double digit loss season.

- Offense was unwatchable in the first half, not even scripted first possession has been working. Improved in the second half.

- Great game by Cooper. Made the most of his targets.

- Watson still looks indecisive and a bit panicked at times (see pass to Conklin). To his credit, made some good throws and reads in the second half.

- Delpit had himself a nice game.

- Daron Payne is going to get paid. Let it be Andrew Berry who pays him.

- I fear these flashes Jordan Elliott has had are going to land him back on the roster in 2023 with a meaningful role.

- DePo was right about Wentz.

- Priefer will be back next year.

- 1 more opportunity until another season is buried.

- Gameball: Riverboat Ron for starting Wentz and gifting Joe Woods a feather in his cap on this one. Joe Woods may be back next year!

Happy New Year and cheers to legalized sports gambling in Ohio!

3 TDs and no interceptions and a win in the 4th quarter is Horrendous?

The biggest gripe from some Browns fans was not being able to win the 4th quarter

did you not see that win today ?

That's all I ever want. A W. I'm just sad I couldn't watch it live.

Please refer to Rish's post. Watson did all those things he mentioned. We only won because Wentz threw 3 ints and they could not overcome that.

LMAO !!! who put up the 24 points ? Stop hating !

Here. If I have to watch Watson hold the ball too long and take the sack repeatedly, anymore, I will scream. Dear coaches, handle it.

Did you watch Baker play today? He was ok, but he made Watson look like a bad backup qb.

Baker had his ass kicked and sucked with a loss

sorry for your loss

Baker boys spooning ?

He lost and he sucks

The Browns QB won today

That would be Watson

If you hate the fact the Browns won because midget Baker lost

then go root for the Rams

The Browns don't need useless fans

Im happy the Browns won. But saying Watson played well is laughable. You should probably try watching some other NFL Games to see how a QB is supposed to play.

No more laughable then saying he held onto the ball too long

He had no open receivers so instead of throwing interceptions

he did what he did to NOT TURN the BALL over

The fact that the Commanders were in any playoff conversation
Tells you how weak the NFC is this year after you mention
The Eagles 49ers Cowboys.
The Browns and Commanders are very similar. High draft picks
On the defensive line. Inconsistent QB play. Both offenses
Lack firepower.both starting RBs run hard and physical
Both are sub .500 teams.
Jedrick Wills needs to be replaced. He lacks any passion
For the game. He is soft and just happy to be paid.
I see his fanclub has Been quiet since he was called
Out in the offseason
Why did it take Woods so long to figure out lining up
MG in different spots can pay off in pressures ?
Ragland showed some physicality today stonewalling
The runs by Robinson
Wentz is horrible. He needs to retire.

I did Baker really sucked !

So, he took that sack repeatedly. That is not how you play football. Thank God someone eventually told him to throw the ball away. He couldnt figure it out.

Can't argue with you, he took sacks and turned them into TD's

Baker played pretty well today. McVay has given him the exact same offense he ran in 2020 and he's executing it pretty well. I watched most of that game and still can't figure out how the Rams got blown out. Baker played well and the running game was humming.

I dont think you watched that game. Baker didnt suck. Its just that the Chargers are a superior team.

Rishuz, How are no TD's and 132 yds and a loss okay ?

Dear Lord Eve are you serious ?

Play calling and running the ball at opportune times is still an issue and will always be as long as Stefanski is calling the plays. A meaningless Win in January from a previous 6 win Browns team is cool, I guess.

Good point about Delpit for those who said it. He had maybe his best game to date

Did you actually watch the Game? The loss wasnt on Baker. Chargers are a talented well rounded team, getting players back from injury and Herbert is elite.

Were those his stats? I honestly didn't realize that. When I watched he was slinging it all over the field. I'm surprised his yards were so low. He did struggle a bit in the redzone.

Im just tired of these guys turning it on at the end of the year when there is nothing to play for.

Where was this spirited play last week when we actually had something to play for.

So the 10 points Baker could only do is better then the 24 points that ya know who done that ...Right ?

I think a lot of you need to go root for the Rams

It's what he did in Cleveland my friend

I didnt see anyone intercepting Herbert 3x.

you are losing your case by every post you make

Neither QB did well today, but to try to feed us this bs that he was slinging all over the field at 11/19 132 yards against a lesser defense is shenanigans. Go on nfl.com and order your Rams Mayfield jersey.

Yeah I feel that. I think that’s Woods MO for his entire career here too

I'm pretty sure I'm the biggest anti-Baker guy on here...well, second biggest.

No, I'm not. Watson played like he was clueless. It was painful watching him.

jc...

Just read Saleh could be a surprise firing at the end of the year.

I'd take him in a heartbeat as DC.

Why ?Another fired coach to replace another SF Defensive coach to replace Woods ?

Why ?

They already are.

Wow, that would be a surprise if they fired him

It amazes me Peen , how many people call themselves a Browns fan

But do nothing but bitch even after a win

Everyone knew that it was going to take time for Watson to get the rust off

He throws 3 TDs for 21 points and Baker throws none

and Yet Watson and the Browns suck LMFAO !!

Why would it be a surprise ?

anyone thinking Baker played good today and watson didn't really are either that clueless or just hate watson that much regardless of what he does. Baker : 11/19 for 132 yards and no scores or Ints for a whopping 79 rating.. Watson: 169 yards 3tds and no turnovers and a 122 rating. They literally had the same game with the exception that watson was able to score. Oh and baker has played in the last 700 days. Having expectations of Watson being the guy that led the league in passing right out of the gate in a new offense isn't realistic. I have never seen a former player in every single conversation on a message board as Baker is.. he's gone..time to move on

My biggest concern with this team is it has a lack of talent on defense and zero leadership on that side of the ball. I think Berry and Depo need to go, I'd be willing to give Stefanski more time if they were replaced.. I feel like hes not able to do things he wants because of those two. But I also fear of a another year with stefanski wasting guys like chubb in their prime and still not getting where we need to go. Have to stop being satisfied with mediocre.. Just because stefanski is better than Hue doesn't mean he's good. I mean 3-4 years and we are playing .500 ball. That isn't going to get you anything.. Especially when you consider how much money we have invested and how little draft capital we have to get better

That would be some fun, wouldn't it?

#24 is the kind of back who could do to PIT what Jamal Lewis did to CLE, back in the 2000's.
Truth be told, I wouldn't mind seeing this, just for my own greedy needs.

That said, I'd much rather see 24 playing fresh next season... and right now, he's a bit banged up after a long-ass year.

So- if he only manages 150-175... I guess I could be OK with it.

i1,m a baker guy. I do think Watson has some plus to him. Baker better than brisette. Better than 4-7

I was under the assumption that they were trending in the right direction and improved with a young core

Just clicking

I spent the first half wondering what the hell we got into with Watson.... Horrible. But in the second half, he showed what he could be. Three td'S, No int's.. 9 of 18 sounds bad but in the end, it was fine.

I just am not convinced yet that he can do that for an entire season. Sure hope so. Your not going to be going against Wentz every week.

Nope. But then again, Wentz wasn't playing D.

They were 7-3 at one point and look like they could finish the season at 7-10. They have a couple of nice pieces, but the decision to draft Zack Wilson looks like it could sink that regime. Saleh put together a really inexperienced coaching staff of his buddies and his buddies's buddies. He says some pretty dumb stuff in pressers and it came out yesterday that the owner might not be a big fan.

I'd handicap it at less than 50%, but something Stefanski and them should keep an eye on. The one question I'd have is Demeco Ryans stepped in and picked up right where he left off so how much of it is really Shanahan.

I love Shanny, but he has nothing to do w/the defense. He's an offensive guy.

I don't understand how a head coach can have nothing to do with a part of the team. Through two different DCs, they have rhe exact same aggressive, in your face, attacking, top 5 ranked D. While I'm sure Shanahan isn't micromanagung it, he has his fingerprints on it. He's a real head coach, not an OC masquerading as a head coach.

I didn't track it nor did I search for stats...but...it seems to me that the offense picked up when they started going under center more often and in the second half. I need to re-watch the game...but that's what I came away with.

You are old school, that's why.

I am old school too but have some to the realization that the head coach more or less assumes whatever side of the ball he came from and the other coach is more or less the head coach of that side of the ball.

The days of Vince Lombardi are over.

I'm going to start a thread about NFL head coaches, their responsibilities, and what players have to say regarding what makes a good HC. Let's say that some of these guys are going to be surprised.

If you couldn't see that in the third Quarter Watson took this game over, you don't want to see it. He is beginning to look like the QB we know he can be.

I can understand if KS is an offensive guy - why he would leave the Defense alone. If it was working. When it's not working - chronically, like the Brown's D early this year and early in other seasons - then I think they would get involved, if not in the scheme in asking the DC what the problem is, what he is doing to change and adjust to the issues. Let's face it KS isn't going to draw up defensive plays and schemes. He might use analytics to ask why we keep giving up plays out of certain formations or coverages etc. . . Regardless of how active or otherwise - Stefanski as the HC owns the performance of the entire team and all phases, not just the O.

I don't think the Commanders are a particularly good offense - though their running game has been decent. But doesn't the improved D with the same roster indicate that the early season struggles were not simply the Browns roster - and if we have picked up free agents or players f others practice squads and they are an improvement, what does that say about the coaches and Berry who settled on our 53 man roster in the pre-season?

Luckily yesterday we were playing a team whose back-up QB brought belated Christmas gifts for the Browns in the form of three int's. That was certainly helpful.

To me it was the tale of two halves by the O. The O stunk up the joint in the first half and rallied strong in the second half. We saw more longer passes from watson and that was good. There were some wide open targets but also some very good passes mixed in. I take it as a positive sign overall. The D seemed pretty solid overall and those gifts by Wentz were certainly helpful in that regard. Chubb had a good game as well.

I'll take those gifts and the win. We've done that more than enough for other teams over the years!

We’ve won the turnover battle in the past only to lose the game.
We won. Period. Watson had his part in that victory. As did the D. That’s what football TEAMS do.

A win is a win and in most NFL games there are mitigating factors. Those mitigating factors just so happened to be in the Browns favor this time around. A nice change of pace actually.

75 qb of this was Mayfield we would have burnt him at the stake.
This board is funny berry and stefanski have a worse record every year we due nothing.
75 qb rating he is clearly behind Mayfield this year.
Mayfield has shown a clear improvement sense leaving here while leshaun has shown his true colors.
This mgmt group felt leshaun would take kc,Cincinnati ,and Buffalo they should be fired if they honestly
Thought that.
Questions how many qb over a 30 year period finished with a 75 qb rating or lower
No need to answer silence is Golden.

Geez, Thanks for clearing that up? Seriously, I know he wasn't playing D. I do know that he couldn't run the Washington Offense very well.. That isn't going to be the case week in and week out next season..

Of course, you know that, but you had to try to dig at me again.

I was encouraged by Watson’s 2nd half yesterday, especially him using his legs more

It was encouraging. I don't think long-term the issue will be Watson. It will be Watson with Stefanski. In half the games, Stefanski's schemes might work like they did yesterday. In the games they don't, we are lost. I don't think he knows what to do when the plays he draws up aren't successful or that his team can't execute them. I said this before and I believe this, Stefanski doesn't find fault with a single 3rd and short or 4th and short call where he had a QB air mailing with next to zero percent chance of success. He believes the execution was at fault. That is a clear example of not prioritizing winning. He doesn't. He won't. Watson will suffer for it. And so will all of the Browns fans.

wentz was on defense every pic...

I found it interesting that during the Saints game, they were talking about how much time Stefanski spent hanging out in the QB room. Not that I am against that, but KS said that he was bored, thats why he was spending so much time hanging out in the QB room.

Why doesn't he spend some time as head coach and offensive coordinator spending some time on situational football or clock management scenarios or hanging out in the other rooms also?

I didn't catch that comment.

3 points off 3 interceptions, that's kind of sad.

Once again, I don't think most people realize what the HC actually does for a team. Also, it's odd you mentioned clock management. He's probably the best in the league at it.

I will edit to add that I don't think most people understand who really does the coaching on NFL teams when it comes to working w/players.

Yeah I found that comment odd too. He may have been saying it tongue in cheek but it was weird

I don't think it was odd. It shows Stefanski is more actively involved w/the film breakdown than some other coaches, such as BOB.

If I remember correctly people were saying Washington has a good D although I don't know where they're ranked. They're ranked 4th in YPG and they play in a pretty good division. Based on that our O did pretty well yesterday.

Whatever Stefanski is doing or isn't doing isn't working. He's the worst coach in his division by a pretty large margin. His only good season he was gifted a situation that played into his administrative strengths with no pressure of playing in front of anyone. He pisses away early season opportunities only to hang on by a thread and when he really needs his team to rise to the challenge they play flat. Then we get a meaningless win and the pro Stefanski guys want to talk about how well coached the game was.

And now we don't know what his actual responsibilities are. Sounds like he just walks around the facility sipping coffee and asking for tps reports.

Can we expect more?

theyll bring in a new DC next year but not tell Woods, just have him move to the basement with his red swingline stapler

It wasn't a dig so much at you, rather it was how the theme seemed to be that Wentz had a bad game.

My comment was more a matter of timing and not so much directed towards you.

Well alrighty then!

Rish, I like you and don't mean to be harsh. However, a few weeks ago we made a bet about the Browns record. I let you off the hook of having to pay. We are actually 2 and 1 since the time you said we would not win another game. Do you think you can save your trashing of Stefanski for other people and don't feed me that crap? Stefanski regularly outcoaches Taylor. I think we 4 and 1 or 5 and 1 against him. Again, I think you are going to be surprised when you see what the HC's duties actually are.

J/c

I’ve actually been a fairly decent supporter of Stefanski … I do think his handling of the DC spot has cost him some credibility, and I haven’t loved some play calls in some spots this year. He does have some good aspects to him and I don’t think he should be fired.

A change in DC is needed IMO. I’m OK with seeing how we look next year at this time.