DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2019 NFL Season 2019 NFL Draft Jeffrey Simmons banned from the Combine

Not good considering he has been linked to us in numerous places.

For the person who was looking for a Grady Jarrett type in the later rounds, here he is.

We do have 2 third round picks .......

Serious question:

How often have these injured guys who dropped in the draft after they missed a whole year worked out? The only one I can remember working out is Willis McGaghee.

Hmmmm.......

Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack, Rob Gronkowski, Kyle Rudolph???

Not sure if one Frank Gore dropped in the draft but he has had an OK career ... ...

Whats the difference if they get hurt before the draft or in TC after the draft or anytime in their career for that matter ...

I dont understand why getting hurt pre-draft nd your stock dropping has anything to do with it ..

Of the above guys only Smith missed his whole first year. He’s a good example though. The two guys I thought of were Ifo Ekpre-Olomu and Marcus Lattimor. I’m sure there are a bunch of guys we are missing.

Sidney Jones too...Trying to think of others I remember a Raiders DT too Annaj Hawthorne or something like that (mocked often in round 1 and 2...fell to like 6th round, had other bagged if I remember...but he sucked)

I don't know if it does or not. I am just exploring the topic. Maybe not being able to practice with the team at such a young age sets a player back? I don't know.

I wouldn't be too concerned. The ACL isn't extremely important for DTs, especially 1 techs who are meant to eat up space. If he's doing his job properly then he won't have to cut side to side, but play upfield instead.

My question is how did he tear his ACL? ACL tears are honestly pretty preventable and you can see warning signs weeks in advance of an ACL tear.

We probably are, but it was a good question and it got me to think. When I read your question, I thought more guys would pop into my head, but they didn't.

The first guy to pop into my head was Smith, but the next guy was Sam Bradford. LOL.........not exactly a good example of a guy staying healthy in the pros.

Haven't been following this thread but don't think this has been posted yet

February 12, 2019 - 9:10 pm

Top 10 DT Simmons tears ACL … As first reported by ESPN earlier today, former Mississippi State DT Jeffery Simmons, a potential top ten prospect for the 2019 draft, suffered what is believed to be a torn ACL during training for the draft. A final diagnosis is still needed to confirm the full severity of the injury, but if it is indeed a torn ACL Simmons will certainly miss the combine and his pro day. He’s also at iffy for the start of the season and likely won’t be fully 100% until later in the upcoming season. In the past, though, NFL teams have taken injured players with relatively early picks and used their rookie seasons as almost redshirt years so it is possible that Simmons could still be at least an early to mid-second day pick.

https://gbnreport.com

Now that he's injured, is this the kind of guy that, missteps aside, we go after in later rounds like we did with Callaway?

I really am not up to speed on him so really, I'm just asking...

He might be a good option if he is available at #49.

j/c

I predict we trade our 2020 1st Rd pick to get Simmons. Then next year we will hear that Simmons = our 2020 first round pick. A first round player for a first round pick.

Future draft picks are lower in value. They are in the future and no one knows where in the round they will be.

Based on trades I have seen, today a 2020 1st round pick is roughly equivalent to a 2019 1st round pick. So maybe we can swap the 2020 1st rounder to get into the 2nd this year. Or maybe bundle next year's 2nd with this year's 2nd. To get Simmons we would have to get into the late 1st or early 2nd, and it won't be cheap.

With Ogunjobi and Richardson already entrenched as our starters, I don't really see a trade up for any DT in Dorsey's plans. If he's BPA when we pick, Dorsey could very well take him. I don't see much point of trading up for a guy who won't be able to play at a position with quality starters already in place, though.

The move might benefit all three players next year. This year it doesn't do much anything but fill up a roster/IR spot. Skill position players come back from knee injuries fairly regularly now. I'm not sure the numbers are as great for 300+ pounders.

If he's there at our pick, that's fine. Whose to say there won't be a better DT (or player in general) available at our pick next year without the baggage and injury concerns, though?

If Dorsey does make a trade for him, I won't be overly upset. I do see reasons to be a little hesitant, though.

J/C - If we are wanting to trade our future 1st for a DT, wouldn't we best served going for someone like Wilkins or Oliver? I think those two guys are very good players AND they won't need to redshirt a year.

If we want to trade a future 1st I hope it's someone who will make an impact THIS coming season.

I don't see it happening myself. If we were in win now mode we would have tried to pick up McCoy or a premier DT via trade if that is the final piece of the puzzle IMHO. Or perhaps we feel Richardson fits that bill for now.

I think I covered all based there....

I think Oliver is good/great at DT. I worry a bit about him holding up there long term, health-wise. He just looks so small on film and has had a few nagging injuries in college. With his athleticism, I think I'd be sorely tempted to use him as an often fire blitzed Mike LB. Save him the constant wear of the trenches, but capitalize on his interior pressure in spots. Watching him do DB drills at his size is pretty wild. I wouldn't want to be the guy meeting him with a head of steam in the hole.

There is a lot of projection there, though. Houston did move him around some. The necessary ability seems to be there. His 4.71 40 is faster than Tre Watson the Big Ten's tackle leader at LB.

My prediction is not really a "trade up". We will (hopefully) be picking in the mid-20s next year. Next year's #1 and some filler (Duke?) to garner an early/earlier/early-enough 2nd Rd pick this year and take Simmons.

We'd have essentially the same picks for this year (other than what we used as filler above)...and a top 10 talent for next year in exchange for next year's late-1st. So...Simmons for a late 1st Rd pick? I'd do that all day long. I'd rather do that than take him at #49 - moot because he won't last that long. I want a player for this year at #49.

We still have questionable depth at DT this year as no one after Ogunjobi and Richardson are inspiring. A 2020 rotation of Ogunjoi/Richardson/Simmons sounds good to me.

I'd rather roll with Coley and a guy like Dogbe or Wise later in the draft and save next year's first.

See who falls to 49. Should be some nice players there. Maybe a Hakeem Butler or one of the many defensive prospects.

Hopefully Coley won't mangle his ankle at the start of the season again.

Trade Duke Johnson for Gerald McCoy and sign Tre Boston and I don't mind drafting Simmons. Although the history of rookies sitting out there first year because of injury is pretty bleak.