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You said evil GOPer Nazi Trumpians would end Social Security... because... Roe vs Wade.

Can't read your own posts?

Now you’re just. stalking. Please continue I love the attention. Lol

Where have I seen this nonsense before? Hard to put my finger on it.

I simply don't believe that.. Not for one second. They've been talking about it for 20 years.. To say they won't want to take it is just not true.

I think the difference here is a simple one. By saying "they won't take it" it means they aren't going to end Medicare and Social Security. Which is true. What that doesn't address is how much they will cut benefits and take from the elderly that have worked and paid into it for decades. How those with the least will suffer the most while those with the most will continue to be protected.

Replace entitlements with arms. It's the same platitude that has been blown up gun owners rears from the proggie left.

I do find it odd that people label something people have paid into for decades an entitlement. It's much more something people have helped fund to earn later in life. I know that wasn't your idea or a label you created. I just find that a very odd way of labeling it.

It is not an entitlement. That gets me all the time.

It is government administered retirement and disability plan. You pay into it. Your employer pays into it. You get money back when you retire.

It is an actuarial game. So many people, so many years, some will make it, some will not, some will need disability insurance.

Hopefully the actuarial game was correct. It is hard to predict the future from the past.

There should have been an automated mechanism to update the statistics for changes in demographics needed to keep the plan fully solvent.

It should have been kept fully separate from the budget.

Can’t disagree with any of your post.

And there it is. The left wants all your guns battle cry. Lol

Nice try,. but no. Republicans have wanted to blow up the SS and Medicare system as well as food related programs and abortion for years. They are getting called out on it now more than ever and that is as it should be. They deny it all, (except Abortion) then turn around and to in front of conservative voters and tell them they want to cut those programs... If you choose to deny it, be my guest.. In fact, please continue to deny it. America has proven, via the last two elections, they they aren't buying into it either.. By and large, America doesn't believe Republicans.

Given how much they lied, who could blame them?

Just as an afterthought, the last three conservative justices appointed to SCOTUS have all made the claim that Roe was established law when asked their opinion. They also all said it wouldn't be changed..

Guess what, another lie.

When you say Arms, I assume you mean Guns not actual human limbs. That's a terrible argument.. Awful

I'd rather not have to pay into and just be able to invest it myself... would get a better return than what I'm getting with SS...

I don't think it's going to go away, but anyone who relies on SS for their primary income in retirement is a fool...

j/c

I paid in. From adolescence through adult life.
I payed in once again, just last week.

My pay-ins gave Americans older than me their retirement payout.
I'm getting closer to the age when I'm supposed to draw on my investment in the system I supported.

This was a promise.
Honor the promise you made when you slipped that % from my first taxable paycheck. 50 years ago.

I did what I was supposed to. Time is coming nigh that My Country step up like I did. For 50 years.

Yes- I'm keeping it simple. Because a promise is a promise.
It doesn't have to be more complicated than that.

Clemdawg, U.S. Citizen

Just remember that you will also have to buy a lifetime disability policy and probably another policy or two to cover your children in case you become disabled before they reach adulthood.

Social security is not has never been full retirement that covers your lifestyle. But it is a base for those who are not as fortunate.

Boomers in the United States are too numerous for the system to handle. We still have the remaining members of a generation or two ahead of the boomers drawing benefits and a ton of other social spending to finance. People have had fewer children for decades, and the tax base is just not there to support the influx of retirees. Lower-paying jobs and a constantly growing profits-based economy also wreck the entire formula. So the government will have to find a way to cover those entitlements they promised. This not only means writing massive deficit spending checks for entitlements but also significant cuts in spending to the MIC and other industries like big pharma, who suckle at the government teet. But that's only the tip of the iceberg for population issues worldwide. Some countries may be unable to feed themselves or will have their economies collapse over these issues in the next few decades; it's that bad. Some of the most extreme prediction models give us less than 30 years before the global population crisis ends civilization as we know it. All economies collapse, all governments fall, famine, disease, and death wreak havoc on the rest, and the human population falls below 5% of current levels.

It's not any fault of boomers, IMHO, though. They did what they thought was right and followed the rules. And there are many factors at play regarding how the government spends its money. Beyond corruption-driven spending motives for the elite and limiting anything that might "trickle down" to the rest of us, the republicans want to keep you broke, hungry, and dependent on the elite wage slave system. And they can deny this, but until they come back to the table and task of actually governing with real solutions instead of empty rhetoric, I can't help but see them for the slime they are behaving like. This antiquated socialism for the elite and rugged individualism for the rest model has all but played out, IMO, and uncertainty lies ahead for all of us.

So it's not like I don't see the problem, but republican solutions are nothing more than self-serving remedies for the financial elite that cast the rest of us off like dead weight in whatever is to come. I'm with Clem and most Dems; a promise should be kept, damn the consequences. The government raided and squandered the assets for these programs, not us. Now they can write the check like they always have and kick the can down the road.

SS is a Ponzi scheme has been from the beginning and will always be until it goes away. It is just a way to get more tax dollars out of the pocket of the hard-working people. I do not believe the government is smarter with my money than I am. I could make more out of that money than they could ever dream of. As far as people that never paid into SS but get entitlements. There goes the problem. If you did not pay in, you should not reap any rewards.

Yep, DoD is totally singing the Republican talking points.

Republicans have hated it from the start, and have tried to bury it every chance they get.

But they run into a quandary because it works for the vast majority of people.

It is a good program and a life saver for those who did not or could not invest in retirement or insurance.

Have you looked at the fees for 401(k) administration?

There are things that should have not been done. It should have been kept totally separate from the federal budget. I believe Clinton made that change and it was the worst possible thing that he could do.

I liked Al Gore's lockbox concept a lot better and wish we would return to that concept.

Yet 48% of jobs in America offer no retirement benefits at all.

New AARP Research: Nearly Half of Americans Do Not Have Access to Retirement Plans at Work

https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rel...-retirement-plans-at-work-301585809.html

Then when people won't take those jobs the same group of people who say what you do complain that nobody wants to work. The vicious circle some people create is hilarious.

So if they don't take those kinds of jobs they're lazy. If they work without a retirement plan they're fools. How convenient.

Doesn’t really matter … retirement plans are on a schedule to tank every 10 years to reset the budgets of big corporations.

The NY stock exchange is a bigger ponzi scheme than SS. Just saying.

Oh the horror. Because it's so hard to click over to fidelity and sign up for an IRA. I guess 48% of americans don't have internet either. People don't save because they don't want to. They have to have their Uber Eats and 65 inch TVs, Xbox and the latest iphone.

You are obviously ignoring the pay scale compared to the price of living. Sure, people like you and I can afford to save and invest and that's wonderful. But many of the jobs out there do not allow for that. These are the very type of jobs people complain people aren't filling because "nobody wants to work".

Of course you are also ignoring what I was replying to.


Sometimes it's important to remember not everyone, actually many people simply don't have any other option.

I think one of the larger problems is the large swath of able-bodied males that have thrown in the towel. Over 7 million between the ages of 25 and 50, not working... 90% of them just laying idle. What makes people just quit?

Obviously they're "riding the system" and paying in nothing.

I guess the question I have for you is what benefits do able bodied men have that makes you think they are "riding the system"? I understand what it is you're trying to convey but as far as I know able bodied men are entitled to very little if any benefits to speak of. I think you may have many of them working under the table being paid in cash which is certainly wrong and criminal, but I think claiming they have all just given up is most likely a mischaracterization.

You know, they are just sitting in their parents basement, just playing video games...

There may be some who are there, that is an issue between them and their parents.

However, a lot of people work under the table or off the books to take advantage of the tax system.

How do you ride the system when you don’t qualify for SS yet? I’m betting many made enough money in their short careers to just quit and do what they want. And they probably paid more into the system than you ever will.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/3850036-republicans-social-security-medicare-debt-ceiling/

here is a decent article on who has said what.

Rich Scott and Ron Johnson "sunset plan" provides the opening to drastic changes in Social Security and Medicare.

It basically an individuals someones planning to work 40 to 50 years and being able to count on money in your retirement.

You don't allow a plan that is intended to last a persons lifetime to be subject to renewal every 1 or 5 years.

That is pure cuckoo thinking.

And yes I fully believe that the party of MTG and the party of loony tunes would do it. GWB wanted to do it, Paul Ryan wanted to do it, every Republican that wants to be called a conservative wants to do it. They just have not been able to figure out a way to sell it or disguise it, although they keep on trying.

So don't give them a chance. It is an idea that has plausible underpinnings but when you think about it it provides an opening for total chaos.

Call them out on it, make them defend it and they can learn how to sweat it out.

They will say that this is not the intent, but subjecting a major program to a congressional vote every 1 to 5 years is not the way to maintain stability.

It is a bad idea, just like the filibuster rule and the scotus judge rule. We get partisan not consensus results.

Another article....

https://slate.com/news-and-politics...den-rick-scott-social-security-plan.html

You don't give anyone the opportunity to "cancel" a program as large as social security or medicare or defense.. It is a simple as that. If it is worthwhile, then you exclude it from the proposition. But alas those words wont come out of Rick Scott's mouth that is complete with a forked tongue.

The problem isn't signing up. It is funding your retirement willingly.