Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
#2114100 06/11/25 02:07 PM
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,153
H
hitt Offline OP
Dawg Talker
OP Offline
Dawg Talker
H
Joined: Apr 2013
Posts: 2,153
ICE just raided food packing plant in Omaho, NE. Owner/CEO stated 97 employees- part of our family- are being questioned. JMHO, they are hard working- problem- they are NOT US citizens- they used FALSE/bought documents off internet or other illegal ways to WORK. Owner said they used government system- E-Verify to document employees--- problem, E-Verify isn't any good.

I'm NOT an HR- Human Resources person- but, HR could have REQUIRED birth certificate, drivers license, employment history, etc.....hell, US military ID isn't good most places now- too many FAKEs.

I want the "family members of food packing plant" deported- no because they are hard working, but because they entered my country illegally and until we fix the immigration policies of our nation- they are CRIMINALLY in my country. Seal the borders, fix immigration policy, and deport illegals.


"You've never lived till you've almost died, life has a flavor the protected will never know" A vet or cop
hitt #2114102 06/11/25 02:33 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
Immigration Raids Hit Farms And Food Plants, As ICE Targets Agriculture

Immigration raids this week have been devastating for many to witness, and, amid all the chaos, the expanded ICE enforcement has turned to targeting America’s agriculture industry. On Tuesday, dozens of workers were taken from their posts in fields and packing houses across the heart of California’s farmland from the San Joaquin Valley to the coasts. Dozens were also taken from a small meatpacking plant in Omaha, Nebraska. And 11 workers were also arrested from a dairy farm in New Mexico.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloes...-food-plants-as-ice-targets-agriculture/

Much more to the article at the link.

These must be those jobs that are being stolen from Americans they keep talking about. I'm sure American citizens will be lined up out the door applying for these jobs. I have a feeling that soon they will be figuring out what "be careful what you wish for" really means.

What we really need is a path to citizenship for those who have been in this country for a long while, haven't broken our laws and are paying taxes. Even people who have committed some felonies have a statute of limitations. It makes no sense this shouldn't be handled in the same manner. Common sense and a middle ground should be found rather than extremism in either direction.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
hitt #2114108 06/11/25 03:52 PM
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
I'd also add that I find it hard to believe the company didn't know about this. We're talking about 97 employees... not one or two people. "Part of our family"... but didn't know about all this? I don't buy it for a minute.

If you want to go hard in the paint on keeping illegals out of the country, logic states you have to figure out why they're coming and address that, right?


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
hitt #2114110 06/11/25 05:11 PM
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 15,975
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Mar 2013
Posts: 15,975
Since California is losing workforce due to illegal deportations, California could legally call for a mandatory moratorium from selling fruit, produce, milk, meat, eggs or any other food product that ends up going to red states.


"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Thomas Jefferson.
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Since California is losing workforce due to illegal deportations, California could legally call for a mandatory moratorium from selling fruit, produce, milk, meat, eggs or any other food product that ends up going to red states.

apnews was reporting that Trump is considering cutting off federal funding to CA. That's petty and shouldn't be allowed since (I'm assuming) most if not all of those funds are approved via Congress... but also funny because CA is (unless I'm mistaken) the single largest donor state in the US... and that whole situation would make for a hilarious FAFO moment.

Also, the vast majority of these deportations are legal (deporting people that are illegally in the country). That said, it would be nice if we could maybe not be such raging a-holes about it. It's really stupid that our only 2 options on border policy are mindless/rabid dog and "we'll get to it when we get to it".


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
hitt #2114153 06/12/25 12:36 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,351
N
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
N
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,351
So I gotta ask, if they are taking the illegal's and deporting them-why are they not throwing people like this in jail for hiring them-Lets amp up the FAFO a little bit


Trump Voter Gets Choked Up After ICE Detains a Third of His Staff

Chip Somodevilla / Getty Images
Vincent Scardina supported Donald Trump’s tough stance on immigration at the ballot box. But that decision came back to bite the roofing boss when ICE detained a third of his workforce.

The six men, all from Nicaragua, were pulled over in a work truck on May 27 while heading to a job—and carted off to jail.


According to the Monroe County Sheriff’s Office, deputies helped transport the men to a local detention facility “for deportation.”

Scardina, who runs a small roofing business in Florida’s Lower Keys, cannot believe it. “It’s quite a shock. You get to know these guys, you become their friends—not just an employer but a friend,” he told NBC6, visibly emotional.


Roofing boss and Trump voter Vincent Scardina, who lost a third of his staff in an ICE raid / TheDailyBeast/NBC6
Adding to Scardina’s annoyance, the men had valid work permits and pending asylum applications, according to their attorney Regilucia Smith. “They are legally here,” she said. “Valid work permit, not even close to expired… again, no criminal records—not here, not in Nicaragua.”


Ex-ICE Chief of Staff says Trump's deployment of troops to protests is 'unprecedented'
ICE’s nationwide raids came after White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller was reported by the Wall Street Journal to have told immigration officials in May to target anyone in the country illegally.

A swoop on a Home Depot last Friday in a predominantly Latino neighborhood of Los Angeles sparked widespread anti-ICE demonstrations and outbursts of rioting in the city, prompting President Donald Trump to commandeer the National Guard and deploy Marines against the wishes of local leaders.


Scardina says he voted for Trump and still supports many of the former president’s policies, but this isn’t what he signed up for. “Buyer’s remorse? I don’t know, a little bit.”

The detained men represented a third of his total staff—devastating in a small labor pool like Key West. “We’re not able...to just replace people as easily as, say, a big city, [with] very limited people to pull from, and then you would have to train them, and that takes sometimes years,” he said.

Even more jarring, three of the workers have now been transferred to detention centers in Texas and California. The rest remain in local custody, as their lawyer fights to have them released.



Scardina isn’t alone. He says other contractors in the area are being hit hard too. “I know of one landscaper that lost nine or 10 of his whole crew he had and he’s just totally out of business all of a sudden, just like that.”

Still, his colleague, Virgil Scardina, says they count themselves lucky. “I get to go home and hug my kid,” he said. “These guys don’t. And they don’t deserve that.”

ICE did not immediately respond to comment from the Daily Beast.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/...detains-a-third-of-his-staff/ar-AA1GzzTn

hitt #2114154 06/12/25 12:41 PM
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,351
N
Hall of Famer
Offline
Hall of Famer
N
Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 3,351
Oh look, to the business owners who are exploiting workers-you are next-
I will believe it when I see it

Trump will target US employers in next phase of immigration crackdown, Homan says
Ben Smith
Ben Smith
Co-Founder and Editor-in-Chief, Semafor
Jun 12, 2025, 11:20am EDT

The Trump administration is planning to ramp up civil and criminal prosecutions of companies that employ workers without legal status, White House border czar Tom Homan said in an interview Wednesday.

“Worksite enforcement operations are going to massively expand,” Homan said.

The White House has faced criticism from Democrats and even its own anti-immigration allies for exaggerating an immigrant crime wave while holding harmless the employers whose decisions shape huge sectors of the American economy.

President Donald Trump “won’t prosecute companies for bribery and won’t prosecute companies for hiring illegal immigrants,” Sen. Ruben Gallego, D-Ariz., said on X Tuesday. “This administration just takes care of its donors.”

But behind the scenes, American companies are “freaking out” about the possibility of civil and criminal sanctions, or about the operational impact of losing a huge labor force, said Chris Thomas, a partner at Holland & Hart, who represents employers in immigration cases.



He said clients have been “calling in a panic — asking if they should be looking for ways to cut out potentially undocumented workers.” (He added that his clients do not know themselves to be employing any.)

Employers are “very scared — folks in LA, particularly,” said Bruce Buchanan, a leading immigration lawyer based in Nashville.

Trump appeared to respond to those worries on Thursday morning: “Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace,” he posted on Truth Social, promising that “changes are coming.”

For now, however, Homan confirmed that employers’ fears are justified.

Though the Trump administration prefers to focus on “sanctuary” city policies that prevent police from turning over migrants who have committed crimes, this week’s turmoil in Los Angeles began when federal agents raided four workplaces in the city’s garment district as part of criminal investigations. Homan said the government will seek sanctions against employers.


And major public companies have begun to warn investors that their models depend on migrant labor: “Increased enforcement efforts with respect to existing immigration laws by governmental authorities may disrupt a portion of our workforce or our operations,” Smithfield, a major meatpacker, wrote in late March, the first time such language had appeared in its securities filings.

DoorDash said in a recent filing that a crackdown “may result in a decrease in the pool of Dashers.”

“They’re coming here for a better life and a job, and I get that,” Homan said. “The more you remove those magnets, the less people are going to come. If they can’t get a job most of them aren’t going to come.”


Federal authorities have generally avoided targeting companies for a range of reasons, including the high burden of proof under laws that require showing that employers affirmatively knew the workers they hired lacked legal status.


Unlike most developed economies, the US has no standardized national requirement that employers use its system for checking workers’ papers, known as eVerify — and many workers evade that system by using a different legal worker’s identity.

Trump’s first term saw some stepped-up Immigration and Customs Enforcement action against employers, with a two-step nationwide audit in 2018 and a record-setting $80 million civil settlement against the giant Asplundh Tree Experts over an investigation that began in the Obama years.

Allies had expected the enforcement, which typically comes as much as a year after worksite raids, to ramp up before the coronavirus pandemic derailed immigration enforcement.

Employer enforcement “makes sense, but it has political impact on both sides,” Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., told Semafor. “Many entrepreneurs who are Republican by inclination would protest mightily. They can’t have it both ways.”

Such a move “would reverberate through Congress,” he said.

A concerted focus on employer enforcement would also shake huge segments of the US economy. Almost a quarter of construction workers lack legal status, a 2021 survey found, and as many as half of meatpacking workers.

A focus on those industries could also undercut two of Trump’s campaign promises: to make housing more affordable and bring down food prices. “I won on the border, and I won on groceries,” he told NBC’s Kristen Welker in December.

President Trump suggested in April that he would propose a guest worker program for some of those businesses: “We have to take care of our farmers, the hotels and, you know, the various places where they tend to need people.”

But ICE raided a Nebraska meatpacking plant this week. “Congress has a job to do,” Homan said. “We’re going to do worksite enforcement operations until there’s a deal made.”

Title iconBen’s view
When I first asked Homan about employers’ role, he turned to talking points about sanctuary cities and the importance of sending agents in to arrest “bad guys” who municipal authorities wouldn’t turn over. Are employers, I asked, “bad guys” in his view?

“Depends,” he replied. “I know some employers don’t know a fraudulent document from a legal document. But I truly believe that nobody hires an illegal alien from the goodness of their heart. They hire them because they can work them harder, pay them less, and undercut their competition — that hires US citizen employees, and drive wages down.”

And yet, if and when the Trump administration moves past the popular, theatrical pursuit of alleged gang members and criminals, the White House and Congress will need to make hard decisions about how America sees its vast migrant workforce.

Even the most dedicated restrictionists, like Homan, acknowledge that criminals are a tiny minority.

“Most illegal aliens are regular working stiffs,” said Mark Krikorian, the executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies. “If you’re not going after those people, you’re not going to change the fundamental calculus.”

(Krikorian is a longtime leader of the US anti-immigration movement — a figure who was so marginal in the Republican Party 20 years ago that when I, as a young reporter for the conservative New York Sun, tried to quote him, my editor told me he was beyond the pale. Now he’s the intellectual architect of White House policy.)

Gallego’s comment suggests that Democrats, flailing for an affirmative policy on the border and immigration, may also see employers, rather than workers, at the center of the debate. The “magnet” of migration is a decades-long, tacit agreement that meatpackers, construction companies, and farmers can employ migrants without any real penalties, and without the kind of tax and regulatory enforcement that’s common across other developed countries.

The US has struggled for decades to reach an agreement to regularize that system. Restrictionists have long dreamed of trading the legalization of immigrants who arrived illegally as children, known as Dreamers, for broad use of employment authorization.

But many in Trump’s movement simply want fewer immigrants, pitting them against big American business and Democrats alike, and while the outlines of a deal have been clear since the early 2000s, the prospect of a bipartisan agreement seems as remote as ever.

Title iconRoom for Disagreement
The mixed signals toward employers have fed cynicism among those who like Trump’s economic nationalism.

“The contradiction at the heart of the administration’s approach reveals a fundamental tension between populist rhetoric and pro-business reality. While cameras roll for dramatic deportation footage, the industries dependent on illegal migration are maintaining business as usual. This disconnect could ultimately undermine the economic nationalism that propelled the Trump campaign to victory,” Lee Fang wrote on Substack.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
I'm sure trump voters will be lining up to take these farm jobs, meat processing jobs, construction jobs, ranching jobs and others left open in those fields by immigrants who have been deported. I mean the construction field was already short 500k workers...................

ABC: 2024 Construction Workforce Shortage Tops Half a Million

https://www.abc.org/News-Media/News...n-workforce-shortage-tops-half-a-million

It won't be long until the old saying "Be careful what you wish for" really hits home.


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,520
D
Legend
Online
Legend
D
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 11,520
Honest question: why the hell would a roofer be for more strict immigration laws?


Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown

#gmstrong
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
While the Scardina guy is a moron for supporting a border policy that would gut his workforce, he said his guys have their paperwork in order. Sounds like they were here legally (I'm responding here because this is something I think is important but is getting lost in the shouting/arguing).

Originally Posted by northlima dawg
Adding to Scardina’s annoyance, the men had valid work permits and pending asylum applications, according to their attorney Regilucia Smith. “They are legally here,” she said. “Valid work permit, not even close to expired… again, no criminal records—not here, not in Nicaragua.”


[....]

Scardina isn’t alone. He says other contractors in the area are being hit hard too. “I know of one landscaper that lost nine or 10 of his whole crew he had and he’s just totally out of business all of a sudden, just like that.”

That's really weird. I thought illegals (or people legally here, in this case) were taking honest American's jobs, no? Should be a line of people ready to hop into these open jobs.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
O
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Nov 2008
Posts: 13,576
Originally Posted by dawglover05
Honest question: why the hell would a roofer be for more strict immigration laws?

Those jobs are being stolen from hard-working American citizens, you know. There are qualified people already lined up for those newly opened jobs.


There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.

-PrplPplEater
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
His immigration policies are Biden's fault...............

"Our great Farmers and people in the Hotel and Leisure business have been stating that our very aggressive policy on immigration is taking very good, long time workers away from them, with those jobs being almost impossible to replace," Trump wrote on the social media platform he owns.

He added that in many cases "Criminals allowed into our Country by the VERY Stupid Biden Open Borders Policy" are applying for these jobs.

"This is not good. We must protect our Farmers, but get the CRIMINALS OUT OF THE USA. Changes are coming!" Trump said.

The president did not specify what changes could be in store to address worker shortages caused by his immigration crackdown. Critics of Trump's mass-deportation agenda have long said migrants form an essential part of the country's agriculture workforce.

About 42% of farm workers in the United States between 2020 and 2022 lacked legal status, according to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...mers-hotel-workers-deported/84166061007/

It must be another concept of an ever changing plan. "Hotel and the leisure business"? Hmmmmmm.....


Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
hitt #2114161 06/12/25 03:15 PM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,216
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,216
Your a ho and Omaho rofl


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,216
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,216
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Since California is losing workforce due to illegal deportations, California could legally call for a mandatory moratorium from selling fruit, produce, milk, meat, eggs or any other food product that ends up going to red states.



Illegal immigrants are simply returned their country where they legally reside.


Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 34,622
O
OCD Offline
Legend
Offline
Legend
O
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 34,622
Blue states just need to stop sending tax revenue. Let them figure it out. I’m sure when you think there is an illegal pesidential overreach going on that there is a legal way to do that, and If not, do it anyway.

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
P
Legend
Offline
Legend
P
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 75,175
And when they complain there are already too many "illegals" they'll just create more of them......................



Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.

#gmstrong
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,955
Legend
Offline
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,955
Originally Posted by superbowldogg
Originally Posted by PerfectSpiral
Since California is losing workforce due to illegal deportations, California could legally call for a mandatory moratorium from selling fruit, produce, milk, meat, eggs or any other food product that ends up going to red states.



Illegal immigrants are simply returned their country where they legally reside.

No, they are sent to a prison and other detention facilities. Where the heck have you been.


#GMSTRONG

“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan

"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Palus Politicus ICE raid in Omaho

Link Copied to Clipboard
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5