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http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/30/health/seti-signal-hd-164595-alien-civilization/index.html

Hear me now? 'Strong signal' from sun-like star sparks alien speculation

(CNN)Astronomers engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) are training their instruments on a star around 94 light years from Earth after a very strong signal was detected by a Russian telescope.

An international team of researchers is now examining the radio signal and its star, HD 164595 -- described in a paper by Italian astronomer Claudio Maccone and others as a "strong candidate for SETI" -- in the hopes of determining its origin.

"The signal from HD 164595 is intriguing, because it comes from the vicinity of a sun-like star, and if it's artificial, its strength is great enough that it was clearly made by a civilization with capabilities beyond those of humankind," astronomer Douglas Vakoch, president of METI International, which searches for life beyond Earth, tells CNN.
Whenever a strong signal is detected, "it's a good possibility for some nearby civilization to be detected," Maccone tells CNN.

But experts say it is highly unlikely to be a message from alien beings.
"Without corroboration from an independent observatory, a putative signal from extraterrestrials doesn't have a lot of credibility," Vakoch says.

Advanced civilization?
Paul Gilster of the Tau Zero Foundation, which conducts interstellar research, said that if the signal was artificial, its strength suggested it would have to come from a civilization more advanced than our own.

Such a civilization would likely be Type II on the Kardashev scale, an attempt by the Soviet astronomer of the same name to categorize various technological stages of civilizations.

"The Kardashev scale is based basically on the energy that that civilization might be able to funnel for its own use," says Maccone.

At present, our own species is somewhere near Type I on the scale, whereby a civilization is able to harness all the energy available to it on its own planet, including solar, wind, earthquakes, and other fuels.

A Type II civilization would be able to harness the entirety of the energy emitted by its star, billions of billions of watts.

Doing so would require a colossal undertaking, likely the construction of some kind of superstructure, such as a giant sphere or swarm of super-advanced solar panels popularized by astronomer Freeman Dyson that could catch and store all radiation put out by the sun.
Scientists believe superstructures are probably our best chance of detecting alien life unless they are actively trying to communicate with us.

A Dyson sphere was one of the solutions suggested to the peculiar light fluctuations detected around Tabby's Star, which caused great excitement when they were detected last year.

Maccone is working on developing an alternative mathematical measure of how advanced civilizations are, based on the amount of knowledge and information available to them, that "might help us in the future classify alien civilizations" that we detect.

What's happening at HD 164595?
In a statement, Seth Shostak, a senior astronomer with the SETI Institute, said that "it's hard to understand why anyone would want to target our solar system with a strong signal."
"This star system is so far away they won't have yet picked up on any TV or radar that would tell them that we're here," he added.

METI International will be observing the star from the Boquete Optical SETI Observatory in Panama, Vakoch says, "searching for any brief laser pulses that might be sent as a beacon from advanced extraterrestrials."

The SETI Institute is also examining HD 164595, using the Allen Telescope Array in California.

So far, the team has not found any signals to match those originally detected by the Russian telescope, but Shostak notes that "we have not yet covered the full range of frequencies in which the signal could be located."

"A detection, of course, would immediately spur the SETI and radio astronomy communities to do more follow-up observations."

According to Vakoch, "if this were really a signal from extraterrestrials, we'd want to survey the target star across as much of the electromagnetic spectrum as we could."

So is it aliens?
Probably not, says Vakoch, pointing to potential technological interference or amplification through gravitational lensing, where a signal behind a planet or other large object appears to be far stronger than it actually is, as potential causes.

Maccone says gravitational lensing is "an important possibility that should be taken into account for future SETI research."

"We should learn how to discriminate that against real extraterrestrial signals," he added.

Vakoch says "the greatest limitation of the May 2015 signal is that it hasn't been replicated. Before we can give any credence to a signal as coming from extraterrestrials, we need to see it repeatedly to make sure it wasn't just a transient phenomenon."

"It deserves at least a few hours of observing time by SETI researchers at other locations to make sure we don't miss an opportunity to make first contact, however remote."

If it does prove to be transient and unexplained, HD 164595 could become another "Wow! signal," frustratingly tantalizing and mysterious in equal measures.

Shostak writes that "of course (it's) possible" the signal could be from an extraterrestrial civilization, but without confirmation, "we can only say that it's 'interesting'."

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Question for Christians or other religion practitioners on here, does your belief system change at all if we discover life on other planets? I've always been curious to hear different opinions on this.

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I'm not a Christian, by any definition, but I don't see how/why their beliefs would change.


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Question for Christians or other religion practitioners on here, does your belief system change at all if we discover life on other planets? I've always been curious to hear different opinions on this.


Mine certainly wouldn't. The Bible tells us our story. It's a story about and to mankind.

It does not include any stories of other beings on other planets. Personally I find it quite naïve for man to believe there isn't life on other planets. Now I have no idea what form that life may take. However, with all of the stars and galaxies in the universe, it makes far more sense for me to believe that there are other life forms out there than not.


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So is it aliens?
Probably not


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Ancient aliens!!!


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But experts say it is highly unlikely to be a message from alien beings.

That's the most encouraging line in the whole article because, as we know... experts are usually wrong. tongue


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I think they have been monitoring our communications and seeing who our current candidate choices are, are making their move now to start the Off World Party figuring if one of these two can get elected surely a talking reptile thing will have a shot.


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Without making myself appear to be completely insane (trust me, I'm one of the most level-headed and relaxed people I know) ... there is one time I am SURE to have seen a UFO. Strangest, eeriest moment of my life. Makes the hairs stand on the back of my neck just to think about it.

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Was it an ancient astronaut?


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You cant say that without telling the story. Tease.


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Question for Christians or other religion practitioners on here, does your belief system change at all if we discover life on other planets? I've always been curious to hear different opinions on this.


Would not mean a thing to me. I have told my husband for years that we are naive if we feel God chose only our planet to create life.


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Originally Posted By: candyman92
Question for Christians or other religion practitioners on here, does your belief system change at all if we discover life on other planets? I've always been curious to hear different opinions on this.



Why just Christians other than to demean...why not any perosn of religious belief? That is the first flaw in your question.



No....God is God. Why would God simply limit it's talents to earth and earth alone? Why do you assume that Christians feel like they are the only beings in the universe? Did you read this in the Bible???


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Peen, you're really bad at not reading full statements and just reacting at the first thing you see.

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I think God has many children.


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Peen, you're really bad at not reading full statements and just reacting at the first thing you see.

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I agree...especially after 9PM and the Jack has kicked in.


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Originally Posted By: candyman92
Question for Christians or other religion practitioners on here, does your belief system change at all if we discover life on other planets? I've always been curious to hear different opinions on this.


There is life out there

John 10 verses 14-18

14“I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16I have other sheep that are not of this sheep pen. I must bring them also. They too will listen to my voice, and there shall be one flock and one shepherd. 17The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”


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Peen, you're really bad at not reading full statements and just reacting at the first thing you see.

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I agree...especially after 9PM and the Jack has kicked in.


That's fair. rofl

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I remember a Calvin and Hobbes cartoon where they're staring into the heavens and Calvin comments, "The surest sign that there's intelligent life out there is that they've NEVER tried to contact us". Love it!

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