Perhaps my favorite non call was when the official was sqatting down, watching the Raiders defender blast Baker in the head with his arm, and .... nothing. Here I thought the official was watching the QB. I guess he must have been taking a dump in his pants, or something.
Yeah, I am still extremely irritated right now.
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Not only was there no whistle before the ball came out - because it came out as soon as Carr was touched .... there was no evidence that the review of Cleveland's first down should have been over ruled.
Total garbage from the Refs today - and moron commentators talking about what a great job they did.
Game was 100% stolen from the Browns today. What junk.
I didn't like the commentators either, for the same reason.
I usually don't think this way, but there were so many blatantly bad calls/no calls in this game, that is was just amazing.
I don't think officials could try to be that bad.
The NFL has hundreds of millions of dollars invested in the Raiders and their move to Vegas.. probably also wanted to get Chuckie his first win..
I mean... I don't know if you were being sarcastic but I seriously can't rule that out. I mean... the refs were bad in other games but this one is truly a stand-out fail for the ref crew. So true one would/could think it was done on purpose, at the expense of us.
I think it was Tiki? He made some nice observations about what players did that was special or why they were difference makers -- but as far as comments on the game and how atrocious the refs were .... they were like NFL bots spouting a company line that was total B.S.
The more things change the more they stay the same.
I think it was Tiki? He made some nice observations about what players did that was special or why they were difference makers -- but as far as comments on the game and how atrocious the refs were .... they were like NFL bots spouting a company line that was total B.S.
Fox coverage in general was absolutely terrible. They seemed to revel in continually showing only one view of a replay that gave the viewer absolutely no information whatsoever while seemingly avoiding at all costs showing ANY additional camera angles that might clarify something. They were utter garbage.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
Perhaps my favorite non call was when the official was sqatting down, watching the Raiders defender blast Baker in the head with his arm, and .... nothing. Here I thought the official was watching the QB. I guess he must have been taking a dump in his pants, or something.
Yeah, I am still extremely irritated right now.
Could of fooled me dawg .... ...
it was beyond tough ... it was ours despite trying our darndest to give it away ...
During the Steeler/Rats game, the announcers were talking about whether or not the HC should challenge the mark on a play that was close to the marker.
They said that those plays are rarely reversed because if the camera angle isn't right down the line, you can't prove that there is indisputable evidence to overturn the call.
I have always despised blaming the refs for a loss, but man, that was brutal. I can't remember the last time I was that angry during a game.
We had it won and they took it from us on a call that simply should not have been reversed. And to be clear, if the call on the field would have been that he was short, I don't think they should have reversed that, either.
People can say that we blew the game and good teams have to overcome those things. I agree, but we didn't win a freaking game last year. We're learning to be a good team. It's a damn shame that that one call decided the game, especially when they almost never reverse the call unless the camera angle is right down the line.
It was a fumble. 110 percent true, no questions asked, as plain as the nose on Jimmy Durante's face. However as has been the habit for the last several years the NFL said go screw yourself's Cleveland. We did not have sexual relations with those referees.
I really hate how often this season the refs become THE focus, especially in the fourth quarter, and especially late. Averages say some of these should fall our way and benefit us, but not often. We got robbed because we didn't put it away during a lot of plays earlier.
Stinks.
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This is probably nit-picking, but the refs didn't hand them the game. They just arbitrarily gave the Raiders another shot.
The refs didn't march the ball down the field after the punt. The refs didn't throw the ball into the endzone for the TD. The refs didn't throw the 2-pt'er.
The refs did a LOT that they shouldn't have. But what lost the game for us was that our O ran out of magic, and our D ran out of gas. Our special teams were consistently terrible.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
We got robbed because we got robbed. No excuses ONCE again they bent us over and rammed it home. It doesn't stink, it is sickening, despicable, sickening, putrid, sickening, asinine, and did I mention sickening.
This is probably nit-picking, but the refs didn't hand them the game. They just arbitrarily gave the Raiders another shot.
The refs didn't march the ball down the field after the punt. The refs didn't throw the ball into the endzone for the TD. The refs didn't throw the 2-pt'er.
The refs did a LOT that they shouldn't have. But what lost the game for us was that our O ran out of magic, and our D ran out of gas. Our special teams were consistently terrible.
You are wrong.
The game was over, we were in Victory Formation.
if they don't reverse the call:
The don't march the ball they don't throw the ball into the endzone they don't allow the 2pter
nothing that happened after the FACT matters, as the game was over. A "W" in the win column. Our offense put up enough to win and our def did enough to win, because the game LITERALLY would have been over if they didn't reverse the call.
This is probably nit-picking, but the refs didn't hand them the game. They just arbitrarily gave the Raiders another shot.
The refs didn't march the ball down the field after the punt. The refs didn't throw the ball into the endzone for the TD. The refs didn't throw the 2-pt'er.
The refs did a LOT that they shouldn't have. But what lost the game for us was that our O ran out of magic, and our D ran out of gas. Our special teams were consistently terrible.
They didn't just arbitrarily give them another shot, they gave them two. Had they allowed the fumble recovery for the TD, none of your points would even be discussed. They intentionally hosed us twice. They were clearly doing everything possible to make certain the Raiders won.
We screwed up, they screwed up, we didn't make plays, they didn't make plays, we turned the ball over, they turned the ball over, whatever. All that $#!% happens during games. What isn't supposed to happen is officiating, both on the field and in New York, insinuating itself into the games to manipulate outcomes. Had it not happened consistently week in and week out, we would be 4-0, and there would be other different record results as well.
It's so blatant, you can't even describe these maneuvers as mistakes, because they are clearly intentional with designed effects in mind. It's easy to say, Oh they made a mistake, but these aren't blunders, these are fraudulent manipulations of a billion dollar industry. Just because it's a game played on a grass field doesn't mean it isn't fraud. Money is being stolen from our pockets under false pretense, the pretense that officiating is unbiased. That is clearly not the case. This should be investigated and, if malfeasance is discovered, prosecuted.
JMHO
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During the Steeler/Rats game, the announcers were talking about whether or not the HC should challenge the mark on a play that was close to the marker.
They said that those plays are rarely reversed because if the camera angle isn't right down the line, you can't prove that there is indisputable evidence to overturn the call.
I have always despised blaming the refs for a loss, but man, that was brutal. I can't remember the last time I was that angry during a game.
We had it won and they took it from us on a call that simply should not have been reversed. And to be clear, if the call on the field would have been that he was short, I don't think they should have reversed that, either.
People can say that we blew the game and good teams have to overcome those things. I agree, but we didn't win a freaking game last year. We're learning to be a good team. It's a damn shame that that one call decided the game, especially when they almost never reverse the call unless the camera angle is right down the line.
This.
I'm actually pretty sure they said the same exactly thing earlier in our game. It was along the lines of "Not sure why Gruden challenged it. Those short and inches calls are rarely returned because of the angle blah blah blah"
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Remember that time a couple years ago when Duke fumbled, recovered his own fumble, held the ball up to show the refs he had the ball, and that female ref just said "Nope, Redskins' ball."
That had to be the worst call that I've ever seen at any level of football. That stuff doesn't happen to other teams.
This is probably nit-picking, but the refs didn't hand them the game. They just arbitrarily gave the Raiders another shot.
The refs didn't march the ball down the field after the punt. The refs didn't throw the ball into the endzone for the TD. The refs didn't throw the 2-pt'er.
The refs did a LOT that they shouldn't have. But what lost the game for us was that our O ran out of magic, and our D ran out of gas. Our special teams were consistently terrible.
So in order to win the NFL, a team should be expected to:
Make their own great plays Overcome their own bad plays Stop the other team from making great plays Overcome the other teams great plays Capitalize on the other teams bad plays Overcome piss poor officiating...
See, you had me right up until that last one... NFL games are usually pretty close, other teams, even 0-3 teams, still have highly paid professional football players... and if you give them enough chances by non-fumble calls and reversing first down calls.. they will make plays to beat you..
Remember that time a couple years ago when Duke fumbled, recovered his own fumble, held the ball up to show the refs he had the ball, and that female ref just said "Nope, Redskins' ball."
That had to be the worst call that I've ever seen at any level of football. That stuff doesn't happen to other teams.
That is not nearly as bad...that is a judgement call saying whether he threw the ball or not...the other requires no judgement...whoever has the ball has possession...simple call.
I rarely complain about officiating. I am not one of the guys who say the Browns always get hosed.
I am not saying we got continually screwed in that particular game. Lynch wasn't down. They blew the whistle. A dude barely touched Baker and was called for a penalty.
I am making ONE proclamation. Unless the camera is right down the line, you can't overturn the spotting of the ball as close as that one was.
No way was that "indisputable." And if the call that would have followed other similar calls 999 times out of 1,000, we win the freaking game because we would have been in Victory formation.
We could have won the game in a multitude of ways. We could have stopped them at the end. We could have avoided 4 costly turnovers [that no one is talking about...LOL.] We could have put together a drive in OT and won w/a FG. I get all that.
But dang man, if it wasn't for a call that is never made in other similar situations, we win the freaking game despite all the other stuff.
Remember that time a couple years ago when Duke fumbled, recovered his own fumble, held the ball up to show the refs he had the ball, and that female ref just said "Nope, Redskins' ball."
That had to be the worst call that I've ever seen at any level of football. That stuff doesn't happen to other teams.
Yes. It’s the clip I show others when they don’t believe me about refs screwing us. It’s also the exact moment I stopped watching NFL as a serious sport but just entertainment
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