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Donald Trump has reportedly suggested on more than one occasion that the US military should bomb hurricanes in order to disrupt them before they make landfall.

According to US news website Axios, the president said in a meeting with top national security and homeland security officials about the threat of hurricanes: “I got it. I got it. Why don’t we nuke them?”

“They start forming off the coast of Africa, as they’re moving across the Atlantic, we drop a bomb inside the eye of the hurricane and it disrupts it. Why can’t we do that?”

Quoting unnamed sources who were present at the meeting, Axios report that the response from one official was “We’ll look into this.”
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Axios reports that Trump raised the same issue on another occasion with a senior administration official. This conversation was apparently recorded in a 2017 national security council memo which used the term “nuclear” in reference to the conversation.

Axios quoted a senior official who defended Trump’s ability to ask tough questions: “His goal — to keep a catastrophic hurricane from hitting the mainland — is not bad. His objective is not bad.”

Shortly after Trump came to power National Geographic published an article pointing out how frequent the idea of nuking hurricanes has been over the last few decades: “It’s an appealing thought, especially when, during hurricane season, we’re annually reminded of the immense destruction wrought by these storms.

“And it’s probably why, every year for the past six decades, government agencies have received missives from concerned citizens, urging preemptive attacks against hurricanes using nuclear weapons.”

In the article, entitled Nuking Hurricane: The Surprising History of a Really Bad Idea, they point out that the response from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration was: “Needless to say, this is not a good idea.”

The White House declined to comment on the Axios report. “We don’t comment on private discussions that the president may or may not have had with his national security team,” it said.

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I love it!

And I'm all for this long over due military/meteorological intervention.



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So you enjoy lethal radiation in your torrential downpours?

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I just did a little research. These same principles can be applied to several meteorological calamities.

Tornado over Topeka?



Not any more.



Paralyzing blizzard in Fairbanks, Alaska?



An hour later everyone is working on their hot Alaskan mid-winter tan.


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Can this idiot ever keep his foot out of his mouth?


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The story by Axios that President Trump wanted to blow up large hurricanes with nuclear weapons prior to reaching shore is ridiculous. I never said this. Just more FAKE NEWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 26, 2019

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just like he claimed he didnt know anything about hush money to stormy daniels.

or that he was just joking about buying greenland.

or pretty much any other thing he lied about.


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I'm only advocating the peaceful application of nuclear weapons.






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8chan must be back up, all the GOPers are missing. Except rocky, he was banned from 8chan. wink


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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weat...ork/2118430001/


You can't nuke a hurricane to stop it, as Trump reportedly suggested. Here's why
Ryan W. Miller, USA TODAY Published 9:14 a.m. ET Aug. 26, 2019 | Updated 10:59 a.m. ET Aug. 26, 2019

It’s bad enough if a hurricane is headed towards you. Here’s why it’s even worse if the hurricane is moving slowly. ACCUWEATHER


Can humans stop a hurricane with a nuclear bomb? It's a question that President Donald Trump reportedly asked of top national security officials and one that weather experts have long had to strike down.
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The short answer: No.

"Hurricanes produce so much more energy than a single bomb," Corene Matyas, a professor in the University of Florida's Department of Geography, told USA TODAY. "The scale is a huge mismatch."

Axios reported Sunday, citing unnamed sources, that Trump asked top Homeland Security officials whether the United States could bomb a hurricane to stop it from hitting the country.

Trump in a tweet Monday denied the "ridiculous" report and called it "more FAKE NEWS!" Axios reported that the administration never acted on the idea.

However, the president is not the first to float the idea of using explosives, possibly nuclear ones, to halt the formation of a hurricane or change its course.

A blog post on the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration website by Chris Landsea of the National Hurricane Center, which Axios cited, debunks the idea and concludes, "Needless to say, this is not a good idea."

Nuking a storm? Trump slams report that he discussed using nuclear weapons to break up hurricanes

While tradewinds would quickly move nuclear radiation to coastlines, which could devastate these environments, the central flaw of the idea is that a nuclear bomb, or a conventional weapon, simply wouldn't create enough energy to alter a hurricane's path.


A fully developed hurricane releases 50 to 200 trillion watts of heat energy, according to the blog post. That's equal to a 10-megaton nuclear bomb exploding every 20 minutes, Landsea writes.

Matyas said most of a hurricane's energy comes from the formation of its clouds and rain, compared to the energy in its winds – at a ratio of about 400 to 1. Given that and the sheer size of most storms, it would take upward of thousands of explosives before having an effect on a storm's wind speed, Matyas said.

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"People just don't understand how energy works and the scale of energy," she added.

The NOAA post also explains that the shock waves from a nuclear blast wouldn't raise the air pressure in the area around the storm.

Hurricanes and tropical storms are low-pressure systems. Landsea writes that normally the air's pressure equals about 10 metric tons weighing down on each square meter of surface. The strongest hurricanes have about nine metric tones, he explains.

Downgrading a Category 5 storm to a Category 2 would require "a total of a bit more than half a billion (500,000,000) tons for a 20 km radius eye."

"It's difficult to envision a practical way of moving that much air around," Landsea writes.

Preventing hurricanes from forming with weapons also proves a challenge given that so many tropical waves or depressions swirl in the Atlantic but never fully develop.

"If the energy released in a tropical disturbance were only 10% of that released in a hurricane, it's still a lot of power, so that the hurricane police would need to dim the whole world's lights many times a year," Landsea writes.

According to National Geographic, scientists in the past have even suggested humans try explosives to shift storms. The head of U.S. Weather Bureau, Francis W. Riechelderfer, said in 1961 that he could foresee that possibility, and Jack W. Reed, a meteorologist at Sandia Laboratory, suggested it in 1959 at a symposium on peaceful uses of nuclear weapons.

Dorian: Strengthening Tropical Storm Dorian heads for Caribbean islands

Using a nuclear bomb is just one of many theories floated in humans' unsuccessful efforts to dominate the weather.

NOAA's website lists many other ideas that have never actualized, such as trying to harness the hurricane's energy, cooling surface water with icebergs or placing a large substance over the surface to prevent evaporation. Hurricanes' size and volatility prevent any of these from being feasible, NOAA says.

One, non-explosive theory to stopping a storm's growth that has garnered enough support to lead to experiments is cloud seeding. The idea is that humans can artificially create clouds to affect a storm system, but testing on hurricanes in the 1960s proved inconclusive, Matyas said.

In 2017, a Florida sheriff's office had to issue a warning to locals not to fire guns at Hurricane Irma after a Facebook event, "Shoot At Hurricane Irma," garnered thousands of responses.

As for Trump's handling of hurricanes, the president has faced sharp criticism after the administration's response to Hurricane Maria, which devastated Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands in 2017. His handling of Hurricane Harvey in Texas and Louisiana, though, was praised by many.

Tropical Storm Dorian is currently brewing in the Atlantic and could be on course to become this season's second Atlantic hurricane.

Contributing: John Fritze and Michael Collins, USA TODAY

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Originally Posted By: fishtheice


The story by Axios that President Trump wanted to blow up large hurricanes with nuclear weapons prior to reaching shore is ridiculous. I never said this. Just more FAKE NEWS!

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) August 26, 2019


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I stand by every word in the story. He said this in at least two meetings during the first year and a bit of the presidency, and one of the conversations was memorialized.



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Not to mention that we gave the White House press team full visibility of everything we were reporting nine hours before publication. We published their statement in the story.

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8chan must be back up, all the GOPers are missing. Except rocky, he was banned from 8chan. wink


No, this is too stupid for them to even reply to, for the most part.

Also, it also looks like the phone calls to Trump that China is begging to get back to the table negotiating the trade deal is at the very least greatly overblown OR "JUST IN: China's Foreign Ministry spokesman Geng Shuang says has no info on phone calls to U.S. cited by Trump, adding later “I can tell you clearly that I haven’t heard of such a thing”

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