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#1695561 - 11/17/19 07:52 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: lampdogg]
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And I’m going to be honest.

Put me on ignore if you have a problem with what and how I post. That goes for you or anyone else.
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#1695569 - 11/17/19 08:23 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Nice rebuttal, class act.

I like your posts - mostly - so I'm not going to put you on ignore. At this time.
I simply don't like this love-fest for Lamar. Maybe there is a raventalkers board out there.
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#1695572 - 11/17/19 08:31 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: lampdogg]
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I don’t like the ravens, so why would I post on their board?

Please don’t talk about class when you clearly didn’t read my initial post in this thread , cause if you did, you would’ve never made up the nonsense that you posted about me.
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#1695575 - 11/17/19 08:39 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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I'll review it in the morning.
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#1695577 - 11/17/19 08:41 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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You're initial post was weeks ago, I've been respectful since.
Pardon me if a Browns fan like me gets annoyed by a Lamar-loving thread.
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#1695578 - 11/17/19 08:42 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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Goff is craptastic.

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#1695580 - 11/17/19 08:45 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Goff is craptastic.


Wrong thread!

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#1695581 - 11/17/19 08:45 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: lampdogg]
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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Nice rebuttal, class act.

I like your posts - mostly - so I'm not going to put you on ignore. At this time.
I simply don't like this love-fest for Lamar. Maybe there is a raventalkers board out there.




It's far classier than what I would've responded with if I were in his shoes.
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#1695589 - 11/17/19 08:51 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: lampdogg]
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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
You're initial post was weeks ago, I've been respectful since.
Pardon me if a Browns fan like me gets annoyed by a Lamar-loving thread.


My initial post was 1 week ago, on the 10th. So you’re making even more up.

Pardon me if I get annoyed with posters who act like I even made the thread to begin with.
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#1695591 - 11/17/19 08:51 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Goff is craptastic.


Wrong thread!


We could rename it Baker or Lamar or Goff.
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#1695593 - 11/17/19 08:54 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Alright my bad, I thought you started the thread. And really I wasn't trying to attack you I'm just hating on Baltimore and your Lamar fandom.
Peace.
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#1695594 - 11/17/19 08:56 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: oobernoober]
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Originally Posted By: lampdogg
Nice rebuttal, class act.

I like your posts - mostly - so I'm not going to put you on ignore. At this time.
I simply don't like this love-fest for Lamar. Maybe there is a raventalkers board out there.




It's far classier than what I would've responded with if I were in his shoes.


Nobody cares.
It was between me and swish.
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#1695595 - 11/17/19 08:56 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: jfanent]
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Originally Posted By: jfanent
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Goff is craptastic.


Wrong thread!


We could rename it Baker or Lamar or Goff.


Since he plays for Los Angeles, is he the, Goff of Mexico?
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#1695599 - 11/17/19 08:58 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Tulsa]
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Lol how do you consistently come up with these lines?
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#1695600 - 11/17/19 09:00 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Just a sick and twisted brain.
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#1695629 - 11/18/19 04:21 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Tulsa]
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Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Since he plays for Los Angeles, is he the, Goff of Mexico?


This wouldn't be funny even if the state of California geographically touched any part of the 'gulf of mexico'. smh
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#1695648 - 11/18/19 08:25 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: OldColdDawg]
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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Originally Posted By: Tulsa

Since he plays for Los Angeles, is he the, Goff of Mexico?


This wouldn't be funny even if the state of California geographically touched any part of the 'gulf of mexico'. smh




But California does "touch" Mexico...so I deem it geographically funny.

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#1695656 - 11/18/19 08:41 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Originally Posted By: Swish
Should I post the individual stats? It gets worse if I do that.



My thought is that Greg Roman gets a HC gig and Lamar's production takes a hit next season.

Don't underestimate good coaching. Or bad coaching for that matter.


Bonus: Browns hire Roman as HC.

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#1695663 - 11/18/19 09:01 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: devicedawg]
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Why would the ravens fire Harbaugh in favor of Roman?

What are they, the browns?
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#1695664 - 11/18/19 09:02 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Lol. Not what I said there, chief.

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#1695665 - 11/18/19 09:05 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: devicedawg]
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Yep. I apologize.
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#1695682 - 11/18/19 11:18 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Originally Posted By: Swish
Why would the ravens fire Harbaugh in favor of Roman?

What are they, the browns?


Once upon a time....
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#1696163 - 11/20/19 08:34 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Rishuz]
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This year Lamar is winning games...sorry last year they won despite Lamar and the offense.

But its the Ravens 2 and Browns 0

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#1696679 - 11/21/19 01:48 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: eotab]
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Baker Career: 6119 yds passing, 38 TDs, 208 yds rushing, 2 rush TDs and has accounted for 11 Browns wins.

Lamar Career: 3459 yds passing, 25 TDs, 1476 yds rushing, 11 rush TDs and has accounted for 14 Ravens wins.


Baker went to an 0-16 team.
Lamar went to a team with 1 losing season in the past 10 years.


I think we are doing just fine with Baker.

I'm taking Baker over Lamar every time and it's not even close.

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#1696703 - 11/21/19 02:20 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: devicedawg]
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Interesting stats and perspective. And I'll continue to say I want Baker. I love what he brings to the team and what he did last year and will do again....

But - truly, forget the stats and the teams and the management and everything else. Use the eye test - Lamar is a special talent. It comes with a ton of risk - #1 injury and then reduced effectiveness as a result #2 you have to run your whole offense around Lamar's ability .... but let's not diminish or reduce how good Lamar looks and plays as of week 11 2019.

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#1701854 - 12/02/19 12:36 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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So when are we gonna see our #1 overall pick carry this team to victory?

Everyone is looking a Freddie, wilks, and slowly starting to get on Dorsey, but when will this board start really criticizing this dude?

DA caught more heat from fans, and he actually delivered us a winning season.

I’m sorry but right now it appears we made the wrong pick. That’s two 3rd string QBs that have outplayed our #1 overall pick this season.

When is he gonna deliver? All were getting us flashes from this dude, but no sustained play.

Nevernind Allen or Lamar, maybe DARNOLD would’ve been the better pick. Because darnold would take those easy dump off yards. darnold would take those easy scrambles to pick up the 1st down, or keep us ahead of the chains by running for a few yards and sliding.

I mean damn......we really convinced ourselves that a QB barely taller than Wilson WITHOUT the athletic ability, who had the same slow ass 40 time as josh Rosen, was gonna take us to glory.

And here we are in year two, with more overall talent than the ravens and bills on offense, and the guy regressed hard.

And people will blame everybody and they momma for bakers regression, but the sad reality is that BAKER is mainly responsible for his regression.

I have to wonder if baker peaked in college. It’s a legitimate question.
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#1701865 - 12/02/19 01:19 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Put Baker behind Pitt's OL and he scores 40+ against us yesterday. Put Lamar behind our OL and he's lucky to score 13 points yesterday.

The benefits of coaching and scheming that Lamar and Baker have received are polar opposites. Baltimore took what Lamar was good at (or great at) and built upon that. He has taken to that coaching exceptionally well.

We still have star WRs who don't know where to line up and/or don't see the right route adjustments - ala yesterday's Baker-to-Jarvis pick. We don't have TE's who provide any threat or security. Our star FA pickup TE can't catch great ball(s) in the endzone that hit him in the hands - hands with an S. Our OL can't block for the scheme we are insisting upon running. We essentially did - and continue to do - the opposite of what Baltimore has done for Lamar.

Note: That is NOT me saying that Lamar hasn't been very, very good this year. This is me saying that one team is coached ridiculously better and different than the other.

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#1701866 - 12/02/19 01:23 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: WSU Willie]
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Accuracy and coaching are two different things. When a QB has time to throw, those throws should be accurate. We haven't been seeing that on a consistent basis.
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#1701867 - 12/02/19 01:25 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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Baker has more commercials than Lamar has won games in the NFL.
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#1701868 - 12/02/19 01:30 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: superbowldogg]
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Baker has more commercials than Lamar has won games in the NFL.





Baker in 30 years.


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#1701870 - 12/02/19 01:33 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Tulsa]
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j/c...

Baker or Lamar?

I'd rather have the Ravens culture over either of them. That's how bad the culture is in Berea.

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#1701871 - 12/02/19 01:33 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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Lamar just takes too many hits. He has been largely injury free, no nagging injuries much less major ones to my awareness. That just isn't reality for a running QB.

MVP probably, can he have a TON of success, I don't think that's in question anymore.

Will he make his 2nd contract? Will the Ravens pony up that dough for a QB who runs it 200+ times per season? I am very interested in see how that plays out.

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#1701878 - 12/02/19 01:41 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: BpG]
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If he's still healthy when his second contract comes up, they'll pay him.

I mean they paid Flacco a HUGE second contract and he was no Lamar.
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#1701899 - 12/02/19 01:53 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Swish]
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Originally Posted By: Swish
So when are we gonna see our #1 overall pick carry this team to victory?

Everyone is looking a Freddie, wilks, and slowly starting to get on Dorsey, but when will this board start really criticizing this dude?

DA caught more heat from fans, and he actually delivered us a winning season.

I’m sorry but right now it appears we made the wrong pick. That’s two 3rd string QBs that have outplayed our #1 overall pick this season.

When is he gonna deliver? All were getting us flashes from this dude, but no sustained play.

Nevernind Allen or Lamar, maybe DARNOLD would’ve been the better pick. Because darnold would take those easy dump off yards. darnold would take those easy scrambles to pick up the 1st down, or keep us ahead of the chains by running for a few yards and sliding.

I mean damn......we really convinced ourselves that a QB barely taller than Wilson WITHOUT the athletic ability, who had the same slow ass 40 time as josh Rosen, was gonna take us to glory.

And here we are in year two, with more overall talent than the ravens and bills on offense, and the guy regressed hard.

And people will blame everybody and they momma for bakers regression, but the sad reality is that BAKER is mainly responsible for his regression.

I have to wonder if baker peaked in college. It’s a legitimate question.


Baker doesn't make winning plays. He botches gimmes like the failed TD pass to Harris. Hell, Hoyer makes that play. He doesn't win games. I'm down on him.

He's a legitimate question mark going into next season. It's no longer about him vs his draft class. This has now devolved into whether he has the goods at all.

No matter coach, no matter scheme, no matter players around you, winners win. They make winning plays. We are going into year 2 of Baker and still no playoffs.

That's pathetic. And that's sad.

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#1701902 - 12/02/19 01:57 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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WAY too many variables to compare them honestly.

I know it is cliche, but football is a team sport, and there is no ONE position that can consistently perform their job at a high level without some support from others on the team. If 1 or more of the others is not playing well, it affects the others around them.

Baltimore has had consistency in the organization and systems, yes they have tailored the offense to better use Lamar's skill set, but largely, the playbook itself has remained the same. So you don't have 11 players all trying to remember something completely new simultaneously.

It's why NE can just plug and play, because everything is the same, and the majority of the players have it on muscle memory and instinct, and that plays a large part in covering for a new guy still learning.
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#1701911 - 12/02/19 02:19 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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Lamar is the better QB.
He passes the eye test.Lamar is doing more with less around him.
Lamar to me has a better work ethic than Mayfield.
I think Baker at times focuses too much on being "Baker" rather than being a winning QB.
In terms of wins losses Lamar is better.
I think Lamar has a better grasp of his offense

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#1702064 - 12/03/19 05:23 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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I think the question has been answered some time ago, so it would be better for this thread to be closed and forgotten.

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#1702092 - 12/03/19 09:09 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Iluvmyxstripper]
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Originally Posted By: Iluvmyxstripper
Lamar is the better QB.
He passes the eye test.Lamar is doing more with less around him.
Lamar to me has a better work ethic than Mayfield.
I think Baker at times focuses too much on being "Baker" rather than being a winning QB.
In terms of wins losses Lamar is better.
I think Lamar has a better grasp of his offense


Not sure about the work ethic part. I don't think Baker worked hard this off season but my suspicion is that will get rectified this year. By all accounts he's a hard worker.

I don't know that there's much value in comparing the two. Two different situations. But I think it's clear that Baker will not succeed unless he's in the right situation. He's not going to will his team to victory or carry them on his back. He seems more in the Jarad Goff category. It is what it is. He's ours and the team has to figure out how to make it work with him.

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#1702414 - 12/04/19 08:16 AM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-quarterback...2f4af-191351853

Here's a review of all NFL QB rankings. I think the review on Baker is pretty fair. I expect significant improvement year 3 regardless of who the HC and OC are. Lamar slots in at #3 - interesting stats on his throwing vs running.

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#1702532 - 12/04/19 01:27 PM Re: Baker or Lamar [Re: Dawg Duty]
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Lamar is playing in a great culture.

Baker is not.

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