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#1702656 - 12/04/19 07:16 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Dave]
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Originally Posted By: Dave
We talk about building "a culture", a sense of being a part of something bigger than yourself, a team. And we know how Freddie loves slogans like "Go 1-0 this week.", or "We don't run from trouble. We run towards it together.", and so on. What do you suppose the locker room thinks of slogans now?

I heard on the radio last week that a whole bunch of Browns volunteered at a Food Bank event called "Feed The Need" that collected, boxed, and delivered donated food to needy families, and it was while they were there - on an off day - that they heard from the media that Devaroe Lawrence had been released. The report on the radio was that the players were very upset, and that Lawrence was very popular in the locker room. I'm not suggesting we should keep sub-optimum players out of a sense of charity. I know, and I'm sure the players know, its a business. But the Browns must realize that the constant roster churn takes a toll on players emotionally, and undermines Freddie's attempts to build a sense of Team. JMO.


Browns notebook: Locker room shocked at release of Chris Smith after girlfriend’s death: ‘We all love him’
By Marla Ridenour
Beacon Journal/Beaconjournal.com
Posted at 5:40 PM

BEREA - Cornerback TJ Carrie wouldn’t call Tuesday’s release of defensive end Chris Smith upsetting to the Browns locker room.

Carrie described the reaction as a mixture of shock and surprise, “in that essence of, ‘Dang, man, he’s gone.’” Not only because of Smith’s upbeat attitude, but because Smith’s girlfriend, Petara Cordero, was killed in a tragic accident on Sept. 11.

Cordero, who had given birth to their daughter, Haven Harris Smith, four weeks earlier, died when she was struck by a car on I-90. A tire on Smith’s 2019 Lamborghini blew out and the couple was standing on the shoulder when she was hit.

The Browns are used to seeing teammates cut, but defensive tackle Larry Ogunjobi said this one hurt.

“Yeah, because this was more unexpected. It’s one of those things where it kind of caught you off guard and it sucks,” Ogunjobi said Wednesday. “Chris is a guy who’s had a pretty traumatic year. But I called him today, talked to him and he was positive and in good spirits. That’s just the kind of guy Chris has always been.

“Chris is one of those guys, even when his girlfriend had passed, he was sad and it hurt, but he still found a way to smile through the pain. He’s always a glass-half-full kind of guy.”

Carrie said the circumstances of what Smith had to “battle with” made this roster move different.

“All of us have tried to consistently support him ... so it hits a lot closer home to see him go,” Carrie said. “We definitely want to continue to keep in contact with him and make sure his head’s OK. It’s a lot to take in, it’s a lot that he’s going through and him not being with us no more is definitely another blow.”

Smith said recently that football helped him after Cordero’s death, which made Carrie worry more about Smith because he doesn’t have the game to fill the void.

“When you’re in an environment that’s more high energy and you have some distractions ... it definitely helps,” Carrie said. “When you’re more isolated in those type of situations, it gives you more time to think about what happened. We definitely want to try to get him in here as much as possible, laugh, joke, have fun, talk about work.”

Running back Nick Chubb said, “I love Chris, the team loves him. We all love him. It’s a tough situation,” and quarterback Baker Mayfield echoed that feeling.

“We love Chris. We were all there for him, not just because of what happened, but because of who he [is] as a person. It’s tough to see him go, but it was a decision they had to make,” Mayfield said.

Asked what he will miss about Smith, Ogunjobi said, “His laughter, the energy he brings to the locker room, he kind of cools and eases everything up. A guy like me, I’m very serious, very about my business. He’s one of those guys who kind of gets me to relax and understand that this is a game, you can have fun with it and still do your job and do it the right way.”

Browns coach Freddie Kitchens said it “was even more difficult” than usual to release Smith, a six-year veteran signed as a free agent in 2018.

“I still remember the morning it all happened and I was at his house and we talked,” Kitchens said of the day Cordero died. “Some of those conversations you have with a person builds your relationship.

“Our football relationship with Chris ended. That doesn’t mean our personal relationship ... from my standpoint, his teammates and this organization will always be there to support Chris.”

https://www.beaconjournal.com/sports/201...l-love-himrsquo

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#1702663 - 12/04/19 07:39 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Milk Man]
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Class move by a class organization.

And Baker with his obligatory not quite supporting the guy comment.

This team...yikes. Players must be clamoring to come here.

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#1702714 - 12/05/19 08:29 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: DiamDawg]
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Rooney’s are classy huh .... if t weren’t for the rapist ... I’d agree ..... thumbsup

Compared to us, yes.

They stand by their players. And we all like to joke about Rapistburger, but charges were never filed against him.

If that was our QB, we would be defending him as well.

Dudes on here support guys like Kareem Hunt and are tickled pink we have him on the team right now. WE have video of him being guilty. BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.

I suppose the police are crooked then?

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#1702718 - 12/05/19 08:45 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: MemphisBrownie]
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BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.


Which of the rapes are you talking about, the one in Lake Tahoe that he settled out of court or the other one in GA where the victim's family begged the prosecutor not to go to trial due to the emotional stress....even though 3 eye witnesses gave statements supporting the charges and it was proven he had a bodyguard standing watch outside of a bar BR while he did whatever to that poor girl in there? I can't believe anybody outside of pukesburgh would support that pig, especially a Browns fan.
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#1702734 - 12/05/19 09:22 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Rishuz]
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And Baker with his obligatory not quite supporting the guy comment.



What?

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#1702736 - 12/05/19 09:33 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: devicedawg]
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And Baker with his obligatory not quite supporting the guy comment.



What?


This is the classic "I'm going to have it either way" move. Baker gives a supportive answer while still being on the same side as his own FO. People who don't like him pile on. In the alternate reality where Baker calls out Dorsey because of Smith, Rishuz is still there bagging on Baker because he's not acting like a pro and causing a distraction.

The usual folks ranting earlier this season about Baker and why can't he act like a professional when talking to media? Now here he is and the criticism is still coming. This type of criticism affects credibility, imo.
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#1702739 - 12/05/19 09:48 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: MemphisBrownie]
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Chris Smith's Ending in Cleveland Not a Happy One, But the Browns Aren't the Bad Guy

Pete Smith

There has been an outpouring of reaction to the news that the Cleveland Browns released defensive end Chris Smith. The notion that someone is in effect losing their job when they have experienced a tragedy such as the one Smith did three months ago sounds terrible. Smith, now the sole parent of an infant child after losing his partner and the baby's mother in a car accident by drunk driver, is left to pick up the pieces in his football career in addition to grieving and adjusting to life as the child's only parent.

The problem is that the Browns are competing to win games and this is their only option when it comes to adding talent; their roster is limited to 53 active players and they had to release someone else to bring in another player.

It seems cruel, but these are the rules of the sport. There have been arguments made that other players should've been released instead of Smith in an act of compassion. The solution can't be for someone else to lose their job because of this extenuating circumstance. Smith's situation is awful, but everyone is dealing with something. A player that may have gotten their first shot at an NFL roster could be cut, which would also be tragic.

The NFL doesn't have a bereavement exemption for a player in Smith's situation. Maybe it should. The Browns have said they will continue supporting Smith despite the fact he's no longer a member of the team. Part of the problem is it's not entirely clear what that means, so mentioning it makes it difficult for anyone to understand what it means they're providing for him in lieu of his remaining contract. They understand someone losing their job and that can elicit a visceral reaction from people, which it has.

On the field, Chris Smith simply didn't play well. No doubt in part due to this ongoing life-altering loss in his life, he wasn't able to offer the Browns much this season. He was better last year, but he wasn't really a factor then either.

The Browns could theoretically have just retained Smith the rest of the year, opting not to add anyone else to the roster for the remaining four games this season, short of putting players on injured reserve. Not exactly practical or the actions of a team trying to win, but they could have done it.

Smith would have been released after the season for the same reasons he was released during the season. They weren't getting the production they needed, had moved on to younger players and it provided salary savings for next season.

A player like Justin Zimmer, who was signed and had nothing to do with anything in this situation, doesn't get to contribute on an NFL roster with an opportunity to now earn a normal NFL salary as opposed to a substantially smaller one as a member of the Atlanta Falcons' practice squad. He's not making millions of dollars, will get the NFL minimum the rest of the season, but it's a huge increase for him and the family he is supporting.

There are few happy endings in the NFL. Careers are short, teams are cut throat and any money not guaranteed is potentially money that won't be paid. Most players don't retire. They simply stop getting called and move on with the rest of their lives unceremoniously. Chris Smith's situation is commonplace, unfortunately. That doesn't mean people shouldn't empathize. That doesn't make the move seem any less calculated, heartless
And while no one is going to accuse John Dorsey of being particularly sentimental, this isn't his failing either. This is the NFL. Rosters are limited. Contracts aren't guaranteed. Clearly, they should be, so even though Smith would still lose his roster spot, he wouldn't lose any money in his contract, but making that happen is a different conversation entirely.

The Browns as an organization are supporting Smith in the ways they are allowed, but they aren't willing to sacrifice an ability to compete on the football field to do it, nor should they. The one aspect of this that's completely fair game for criticism is releasing a player like Smith while also bringing in players with the respective off field baggage they have. That goes to the people the Browns have representing their organization.

No one is suggesting people should be happy about the situation with Chris Smith, but the Browns aren't the bad guys here.

That's a sensible take on the situation. I'd add that Smith is entitled to take the balance of his salary this year as termination pay. Veterans in the league are entitled to do this once in their careers.

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#1702740 - 12/05/19 09:56 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: jfanent]
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Originally Posted By: jfanent
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BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.


Which of the rapes are you talking about, the one in Lake Tahoe that he settled out of court or the other one in GA where the victim's family begged the prosecutor not to go to trial due to the emotional stress....even though 3 eye witnesses gave statements supporting the charges and it was proven he had a bodyguard standing watch outside of a bar BR while he did whatever to that poor girl in there? I can't believe anybody outside of pukesburgh would support that pig, especially a Browns fan.


Don’t forget the accusations of his college rapes. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
The guy is a scumbag.
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#1702782 - 12/05/19 12:44 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: oobernoober]
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The usual folks ranting earlier this season about Baker and why can't he act like a professional when talking to media? Now here he is and the criticism is still coming. This type of criticism affects credibility, imo.


Actually I think he's been doing much better as of late. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.
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#1702784 - 12/05/19 12:59 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: oobernoober]
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I don't think there's ever really been any issues with what Mayfield has said at press conferences.

There's just people who don't like Mayfield for whatever reason.

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#1702788 - 12/05/19 01:20 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: devicedawg]
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I don't think there's ever really been any issues with what Mayfield has said at press conferences.

There's just people who don't like Mayfield for whatever reason.


“...It’s tough to see him go, but it was a decision they had to make,” Mayfield said.

Now a college of yours just lost a loved one and was fired, and that's what you had to say, and you don't see anything wrong...

Yes maybe we are just being too picky...


Edited by rastanplan (12/05/19 01:20 PM)

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#1702789 - 12/05/19 01:20 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: PitDAWG]
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Originally Posted By: oobernoober

The usual folks ranting earlier this season about Baker and why can't he act like a professional when talking to media? Now here he is and the criticism is still coming. This type of criticism affects credibility, imo.


Actually I think he's been doing much better as of late. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.


I agree, which is kinda the reason for the irritated post.

device,
I disagree with you, but I also never thought it was as bad as some made it out to be.
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#1702790 - 12/05/19 01:22 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: oobernoober]
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Originally Posted By: PitDAWG
Originally Posted By: oobernoober

The usual folks ranting earlier this season about Baker and why can't he act like a professional when talking to media? Now here he is and the criticism is still coming. This type of criticism affects credibility, imo.


Actually I think he's been doing much better as of late. Hopefully it's a sign of things to come.


I agree, which is kinda the reason for the irritated post.

device,
I disagree with you, but I also never thought it was as bad as some made it out to be.


Yes like when he took responsibility for the interception that ended the playoff chances of the team...

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#1702801 - 12/05/19 01:42 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: jfanent]
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BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.


Which of the rapes are you talking about, the one in Lake Tahoe that he settled out of court or the other one in GA where the victim's family begged the prosecutor not to go to trial due to the emotional stress....even though 3 eye witnesses gave statements supporting the charges and it was proven he had a bodyguard standing watch outside of a bar BR while he did whatever to that poor girl in there? I can't believe anybody outside of pukesburgh would support that pig, especially a Browns fan.
Cool, so you think the police department and DA are crooked? Is that your take?

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#1702803 - 12/05/19 01:46 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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I think your hyperbole is off the charts.

Do you have any idea the standard it takes to get a rape conviction? From the sounds of it you certainly don't. That's not about anyone being crooked. It's often times as simple as the victim being scared and waiting too long to report it. That destroys any physical evidence that may have been collected.

I suppose him paying off one of the victims doesn't mean anything.
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#1702808 - 12/05/19 01:57 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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And your take is that someone who deserves to be prosecuted but doesn't has NEVER happened before?
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#1702838 - 12/05/19 02:42 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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Ya .... he was never charged ... wonder if that had anything to do with the HUGE PAYOUT the victim got ...

And bro ... hitting a women is brutal and not acceptable ... dead nuts wrong ...

Raping a women is on an entirely different level ... not even close ...

And as u we’ll know ... the classy ones (and i agree .. that was way out of character for them to keep him BUT THEY DID .. and thats the bottom line) debated til the last minute on weather to trade hm or not ... they actually were seeking trade partners to see what they could get ...

He was guilty as hell ... BOTH TIMES ... and u damm well know it ...
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#1702847 - 12/05/19 02:50 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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Originally Posted By: jfanent
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BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.


Which of the rapes are you talking about, the one in Lake Tahoe that he settled out of court or the other one in GA where the victim's family begged the prosecutor not to go to trial due to the emotional stress....even though 3 eye witnesses gave statements supporting the charges and it was proven he had a bodyguard standing watch outside of a bar BR while he did whatever to that poor girl in there? I can't believe anybody outside of pukesburgh would support that pig, especially a Browns fan.
Cool, so you think the police department and DA are crooked? Is that your take?


In no interpretation of what I posted can you non-ignorantly come to the conclusion that I said the police department and the DA were crooked. Why on earth are you defending this creep?
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#1702853 - 12/05/19 02:55 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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And bro ... the rooney’s did not support him ... they were in MAJOR TURMOIL over what to do ... MAJOR ... that’s why they were real close to trading him ...

They never once gave a statement supporting him ... not even close ...
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#1702854 - 12/05/19 02:56 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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One last thing bro ... u LOVE ARGUING over anything ... u should been a lawyer ... thumbsup
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#1702855 - 12/05/19 02:57 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: jfanent]
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#1702871 - 12/05/19 03:25 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: PitDAWG]
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I think your hyperbole is off the charts.

Do you have any idea the standard it takes to get a rape conviction? From the sounds of it you certainly don't. That's not about anyone being crooked. It's often times as simple as the victim being scared and waiting too long to report it. That destroys any physical evidence that may have been collected.

I suppose him paying off one of the victims doesn't mean anything.
Yep, and serial rapist just "stop raping". . . . .

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#1702873 - 12/05/19 03:32 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: jfanent]
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Originally Posted By: jfanent
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BR was never charged in any wrong doing aftger being investigated.


Which of the rapes are you talking about, the one in Lake Tahoe that he settled out of court or the other one in GA where the victim's family begged the prosecutor not to go to trial due to the emotional stress....even though 3 eye witnesses gave statements supporting the charges and it was proven he had a bodyguard standing watch outside of a bar BR while he did whatever to that poor girl in there? I can't believe anybody outside of pukesburgh would support that pig, especially a Browns fan.
Cool, so you think the police department and DA are crooked? Is that your take?


In no interpretation of what I posted can you non-ignorantly come to the conclusion that I said the police department and the DA were crooked. Why on earth are you defending this creep?


Its the only conclusion you can come up with. You either you think the police did their duty or they didn't. Its pretty cut and dry.

I am not defending him, I am stating facts. I don't know what happened neither do you. I can only go with the facts that he was never charged.

As far as settlements go - people pay those for a number of reasons, I don't speculate as to know what those are - some say they mean guilt, some say they are a way to just make things go away as it cost less than a defense attorney. thumbsup

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#1702874 - 12/05/19 03:36 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: DiamDawg]
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And bro ... the rooney’s did not support him ... they were in MAJOR TURMOIL over what to do ... MAJOR ... that’s why they were real close to trading him ...

They never once gave a statement supporting him ... not even close ...

Eh,i would say giving someone a 100 million dollars and making them the face of your franchise is support.

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#1702875 - 12/05/19 03:36 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: PitDAWG]
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I think your hyperbole is off the charts.

Do you have any idea the standard it takes to get a rape conviction? From the sounds of it you certainly don't. That's not about anyone being crooked. It's often times as simple as the victim being scared and waiting too long to report it. That destroys any physical evidence that may have been collected.

I suppose him paying off one of the victims doesn't mean anything.


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Relative to Roethlisberger’s earnings, a settlement in the mid-six-figure range won’t hurt very much, and it could ultimately be even less than what it would have cost to fully litigate the case through trial, especially if Roethlisberger wanted a scorched-earth Cadillac defense.

While Roethlisberger surely admitted to no wrongdoing as part of the settlement, plenty of people will presume that he wouldn’t have paid money if he was innocent. The reality, however, is that the passage of time likely allowed him to view it dispassionately as a business proposition, and to make a smart decision independent of whether he believes he would have been vindicated after spending as much or more on legal fees, with the ever-present possibility that he’d lose at trial and pay a lot more.

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#1702894 - 12/05/19 04:11 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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You'll buy any excuse to pay off a rape victim won't you?
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#1702901 - 12/05/19 04:20 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: PitDAWG]
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You'll buy any excuse to pay off a rape victim won't you?
rofl

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#1702916 - 12/05/19 04:53 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: rastanplan]
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Um. Yes. Definitely picky.

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#1702930 - 12/05/19 06:09 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: DiamDawg]
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#1702931 - 12/05/19 06:45 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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Sometimes, the other guy in a sales transaction has the upperhand and you have to pony up.

He did. We tried to play tough, and we lost. The smart money would have been to get it done, as we were not and are still not in a position to have told him to take a hike.



Sorry. In sales, when you make the best offer and tell them this offer stands this long, which we did, and they come back after the fact, sorry, that just doesn't work.

We had already moved on to the next guy. You keep dorking around with people like that who just keep shopping your offer, screw them. At some point it is more than signing the player or selling the ink jet printer, it's about being a strong man or woman and ethics.

When I went to HS, Ethics was a half year class you had to take along with Civics. Nobody teaches that anymore, and look at the state we are in.....pitiful.

Heck, not to point a finger, but you don't even know what I am talking about.
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#1702932 - 12/05/19 06:52 PM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Ballpeen]
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I was in sales for a lot of years, and if someone came back to me with a "better" offer, I would, at least, take it to my boss. I got paid on commission, and if I still had an opportunity to make a deal, I would do it.

In the case of Schwartz, Sashi Brown made him a deal, and Schwartz said that he wanted to check another team. (The Chiefs, who his brother played for, and who wanted Mitchell to do so as well) The Chiefs did not blow Schwartz away, and coupled with the fact that his soon to be wife was from Cleveland, he decided to stay. Then Sashi Brown started ... ahem (self censored)ing him around, so he went to KC.

We had every possibility to keep him ..... his wife wanted to stay in Cleveland where her family is ..... but Sashi pretty much shoved him out the door. Idiotic. You don't chase away top flight talent.
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#1702983 - 12/06/19 07:50 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
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Apparently for Schwartz staying in Cleveland was never the top priority.

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#1703002 - 12/06/19 09:10 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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And bro ... the rooney’s did not support him ... they were in MAJOR TURMOIL over what to do ... MAJOR ... that’s why they were real close to trading him ...

They never once gave a statement supporting him ... not even close ...

Eh,i would say giving someone a 100 million dollars and making them the face of your franchise is support.



rofl ... based off that post u wouldn’t be a very good lawyer ... but it does prove not only do u love arguing u hate losing more ... *L* ...

Any particular reason u didn’t mention the timeline of when they gave him the contract bro ... it wasn’t because they gave him the 100 mill BEFORE THE FIRST ALLEGATION came out ... was it? ... thumbsup
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#1703004 - 12/06/19 09:14 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Ballpeen]
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Sometimes, the other guy in a sales transaction has the upperhand and you have to pony up.

He did. We tried to play tough, and we lost. The smart money would have been to get it done, as we were not and are still not in a position to have told him to take a hike.



Sorry. In sales, when you make the best offer and tell them this offer stands this long, which we did, and they come back after the fact, sorry, that just doesn't work.

We had already moved on to the next guy. You keep dorking around with people like that who just keep shopping your offer, screw them. At some point it is more than signing the player or selling the ink jet printer, it's about being a strong man or woman and ethics.

When I went to HS, Ethics was a half year class you had to take along with Civics. Nobody teaches that anymore, and look at the state we are in.....pitiful.

Heck, not to point a finger, but you don't even know what I am talking about.
You should take you assumptions somewhere else, you want to bash our generation about ETHICS yet it was your generation hanging people from rope for being a different color than you. Spare the "ETHICS" finger pointing. Maybe they should have had a "don't kill people for no reason class an hour a day instead rofl

What you say, only works if you have a plan to fall back on. What you failing to understand, is that in ALL BUSINESS, you need to have a backup plan. You see, if you have a backup plan, you can tell the guy screw off and rightfully so. If you don't have a backup plan, you need have to swallow you pride and get the deal done so your BUSINESS can continue and move forward.

Your "ETHICS" would let your business go bankrupt because you were too stubborn to realize that you had no other options. Guess what, we went bankrupt right after this, when we didn't win a dang game.


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#1703009 - 12/06/19 09:22 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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As far as negotiations and making a deal, there are some differences of opinion on that. I personally find, as a customer, the idea that I'm not supposed to shop around for the best deal to be nonsense.

Now, if there's a time limit attached to the offer, that can change things. It really depends on the specifics though. Sashi really goofed up there but that's more from the football side than the negotiation side. You just don't let good, solid offensive tackles that play every game walk when their contract demands are very reasonable.

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#1703016 - 12/06/19 09:27 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Haus]
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I said his generation, not him directly. If it came across as I was saying HIM I apologize, that was not my intent. I respect Peen, much so. However I am tired of hearing how the past generations were so much more ethical or had more class etc., when well.....they really didnt.

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As far as negotiations and making a deal, there are some differences of opinion on that. I personally find, as a customer, the idea that I'm not supposed to shop around for the best deal to be preposterous.


This I absolutely agree with. he had every right to shop around the best deal for him, to say otherwise is well, just sour grapes.

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#1703018 - 12/06/19 09:31 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: willitevachange]
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I edited out the reference to willi's first paragraph, for anybody who's following along. I just think that's uncalled for and not really appropriate here. Maybe in the Politics section or whatever.

This generational thing... bleh. No matter how screwed up we are, it took a screwed up bunch to raise us that way, now didn't it? smile

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#1703023 - 12/06/19 09:40 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: Ballpeen]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Sorry. In sales, when you make the best offer and tell them this offer stands this long, which we did, and they come back after the fact, sorry, that just doesn't work.


I don't recall us putting a time limit on the whole thing. I could be wrong, so don't jump down my throat but please correct me if so. I also don't recall these extended Schwartz negotiations dragging on all that long (a couple of days). I don't believe we had signed anybody in the time it took him to shop around and then come back.

While it's true that the uncertainty of whether or not you have to scramble to replace your starting RT is exacerbated by waiting, that's part of the game and why these FO guys get paid the big bucks. By jerking Schwartz around, we only hurt ourselves. Dorsey seems to have made a career off of ding dongs like the people we've employed in our FOs making dumb personnel decisions.
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#1703028 - 12/06/19 09:48 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: oobernoober]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Sorry. In sales, when you make the best offer and tell them this offer stands this long, which we did, and they come back after the fact, sorry, that just doesn't work.


I don't recall us putting a time limit on the whole thing. I could be wrong, so don't jump down my throat but please correct me if so. I also don't recall these extended Schwartz negotiations dragging on all that long (a couple of days). I don't believe we had signed anybody in the time it took him to shop around and then come back.

While it's true that the uncertainty of whether or not you have to scramble to replace your starting RT is exacerbated by waiting, that's part of the game and why these FO guys get paid the big bucks. By jerking Schwartz around, we only hurt ourselves. Dorsey seems to have made a career off of ding dongs like the people we've employed in our FOs making dumb personnel decisions.


We didn't "...jerk Schwartz around...". Screwed the pooch? Yes, we did. But we didn't jerk him around.

We made an offer and apparently said "take it or leave it...it expires the second you walk away." The agent called our bluff and lost his client $$$. We ended up losing too.

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#1703033 - 12/06/19 09:54 AM Re: Browns have released DE Chris Smith [Re: WSU Willie]
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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen

Sorry. In sales, when you make the best offer and tell them this offer stands this long, which we did, and they come back after the fact, sorry, that just doesn't work.


I don't recall us putting a time limit on the whole thing. I could be wrong, so don't jump down my throat but please correct me if so. I also don't recall these extended Schwartz negotiations dragging on all that long (a couple of days). I don't believe we had signed anybody in the time it took him to shop around and then come back.

While it's true that the uncertainty of whether or not you have to scramble to replace your starting RT is exacerbated by waiting, that's part of the game and why these FO guys get paid the big bucks. By jerking Schwartz around, we only hurt ourselves. Dorsey seems to have made a career off of ding dongs like the people we've employed in our FOs making dumb personnel decisions.


We didn't "...jerk Schwartz around...". Screwed the pooch? Yes, we did. But we didn't jerk him around.

We made an offer and apparently said "take it or leave it...it expires the second you walk away." The agent called our bluff and lost his client $$$. We ended up losing too.


Maybe it's TomAto-Tomato, but I'd call that jerking someone around.
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