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#1706852 - 12/15/19 05:26 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: lionchamp29]
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Originally Posted By: lionchamp29
red red wine makes me feel so fine..givin up passes all of the time


Lol

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#1706853 - 12/15/19 05:26 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Iím at a loss about our defense too
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#1706854 - 12/15/19 05:27 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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This game should make ownership take a good long look at the coaching on this team if they haven't already...
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#1706855 - 12/15/19 05:27 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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I'm going to walk the dog!!.. Freddy will lose the last 3 games and there will still be excuses made for him. Baker has not progressed at all this year. Freddy cannot call a game. Changes have to be made.

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#1706856 - 12/15/19 05:27 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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so is the boss
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#1706857 - 12/15/19 05:27 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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This is the worst defense we've had in 20 years.

If Wilks is back, the browns don't care...

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#1706858 - 12/15/19 05:27 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: tastybrownies]
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Originally Posted By: tastybrownies
The faster we let Kitchens go the better for the organization, the fans, and the players.


Hmm,

Not sure how I feel about that one.
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#1706859 - 12/15/19 05:28 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: PastorMarc]
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Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
Can we bring Ryan Day in at halftime???


We need to do something. Get Day, Urban Meyer in here.
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#1706860 - 12/15/19 05:28 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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I cant believe what i jus saw in the Minnesota game lol
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"First down as we threaten again. A score here puts us in the Super Bowl. Odell is far to the left as Landry settles into the slot. Njoku is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."

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#1706861 - 12/15/19 05:28 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Or D looks like a sieve
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#1706862 - 12/15/19 05:28 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Rishuz]
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Our defense is trash. 300 freakin' yards to the Cardinals in a half.


Everyone can thank their "class act" Myles Garrett for that.

BS.. if losing one guy turns you into this, then that guy must be superman. Myles isn't the reason they have massive holes up the middle and nobody on either side making a play. We still have 2 probowl players on the DL and another at MLB.. just crappy.
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#1706863 - 12/15/19 05:28 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Our defense is trash. 300 freakin' yards to the Cardinals in a half.


Everyone can thank their "class act" Myles Garrett for that.


Hardly. Next man up or the coaching sucks.
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#1706864 - 12/15/19 05:29 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Iím at a loss about our defense too

I would at least give Wilks a pass given the loss of depth and starting talent. Mack, Redwine, and TakiTaki were never even supposed to see time this year. Guys like Cox weren't even on the team.

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#1706865 - 12/15/19 05:29 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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They said barring "a major collapse ".
What does that actually mean? Losing all 3? 2 of 3? I think not going at least 9-7 was a major failure.

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#1706866 - 12/15/19 05:29 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: PastorMarc]
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Originally Posted By: PastorMarc
This game should make ownership take a good long look at the coaching on this team if they haven't already...


They've already been letting it out that Freddy is back next year.

If they allow this entire staff to remain in place, it's gonna get ugly.

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#1706867 - 12/15/19 05:31 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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if we don't finish at least 8-8 Freddie should be history ... JMHO
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#1706868 - 12/15/19 05:31 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Monken will go leaving Fred to diddle around unhindered next year.

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#1706869 - 12/15/19 05:31 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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This is a collapse IMO
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"First down as we threaten again. A score here puts us in the Super Bowl. Odell is far to the left as Landry settles into the slot. Njoku is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."

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#1706870 - 12/15/19 05:31 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: chirp30]
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Kitchens couldnít find the ground if he jumped off a 10 story building.


I'm not going to stop beating this horse...

Freddie is bad. I agree. Stay or go the Browns will muck it up regardless.

But I see very little blame for the players and Baker specifically.

Baker is trash. The Browns are no closer to solving their QB position than they were since 99. This is a huge part of the problem. If you "have to" run the offense through Chubb you've already lost. This game is about the QB. Have to be able to pass the ball.

Baker and Myles were supposed to lead this team for the next decade. One has seriously regressed and the other is a knucklehead.

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#1706871 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Pat Shurmur used to be my least favorite HC since the return. He has been dethroned by this clown because this team is legitimately more talented than weíve ever had.

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#1706872 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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texans have both our old rbs..odd
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#1706873 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Iím at the game. Itís depressing.

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#1706874 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Rishuz]
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What's more likely, letting every player go or letting a coach go. Coaches get axed. That's the way it is.

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#1706875 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Halftime discuss:

Best Coach the Browns have had since 99 was Butch Davis!

What do you say?

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#1706876 - 12/15/19 05:33 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: DCDAWGFAN]
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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Our defense is trash. 300 freakin' yards to the Cardinals in a half.


Everyone can thank their "class act" Myles Garrett for that.

BS.. if losing one guy turns you into this, then that guy must be superman. Myles isn't the reason they have massive holes up the middle and nobody on either side making a play. We still have 2 probowl players on the DL and another at MLB.. just crappy.


It's not BS. Myles changes the D.

But let's call this what it really is.

The team is not that good. The QB is not that good. And they have nothing to play for.

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#1706877 - 12/15/19 05:34 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: cfrs15]
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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Iím at the game. Itís depressing.
sorry bud
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"First down as we threaten again. A score here puts us in the Super Bowl. Odell is far to the left as Landry settles into the slot. Njoku is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."

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#1706878 - 12/15/19 05:34 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: THROW LONG]
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Agreed on Butch
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"First down as we threaten again. A score here puts us in the Super Bowl. Odell is far to the left as Landry settles into the slot. Njoku is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."

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#1706879 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: THROW LONG]
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Originally Posted By: THROW LONG
Halftime discuss:

Best Coach the Browns have had since 99 was Butch Davis!

What do you say?



I'd have liked to see Chud with 2 more years

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#1706880 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Who knows.. we never have one long enough to make a informed decision.


Edited by AlwaysABrownsFan (12/15/19 05:35 PM)
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#1706881 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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the good news is we have weapons to make a comeback...no sarcasm this time
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#1706882 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
Iím at the game. Itís depressing.
sorry bud


Glad I didn't go.

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#1706883 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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I don't think Kitchens has what it takes to be a head coach. If they bring him back next year the better hire a better OC, and strip Kitchens of playcalling.

How many times does he go to that god awful shovel pass that does nothing?

How many games, is he out schemed, out coached?

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#1706884 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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And why did he regress?

The coach. Zampese was the reason for bakers success last year. Freddy too the credit and fired Zampese.

You don't go from the best in the second half of the season to this without a coaching and scheme breakdown.

Baker has been bad...but it's on Freddy as well

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#1706885 - 12/15/19 05:35 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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I think a jff less team with pettine could have been good
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#1706886 - 12/15/19 05:37 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: leadtheway]
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I agree ... heíd be my 2nd pick
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#1706887 - 12/15/19 05:37 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: leadtheway]
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Originally Posted By: leadtheway
I think a jff less team with pettine could have been good


Everyone laughably pines for Chud, but Pettine is the one that got away.

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#1706888 - 12/15/19 05:37 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: redddog]
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And why did he regress?

The coach. Zampese was the reason for bakers success last year. Freddy too the credit and fired Zampese.

You don't go from the best in the second half of the season to this without a coaching and scheme breakdown.

Baker has been bad...but it's on Freddy as well



Iíve said all year. Bob was right and they should have fired Lindley 10 weeks ago and brought in zampese. Only thing bigger than fat boys ego is his cholesterol number
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#1706889 - 12/15/19 05:37 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: leadtheway]
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Originally Posted By: leadtheway
I think a jff less team with pettine could have been good


gimme some jff...maybe
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#1706890 - 12/15/19 05:37 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Rishuz]
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Originally Posted By: Rishuz
Originally Posted By: chirp30
Kitchens couldnít find the ground if he jumped off a 10 story building.


I'm not going to stop beating this horse...

Freddie is bad. I agree. Stay or go the Browns will muck it up regardless.

But I see very little blame for the players and Baker specifically.

Baker is trash. The Browns are no closer to solving their QB position than they were since 99. This is a huge part of the problem. If you "have to" run the offense through Chubb you've already lost. This game is about the QB. Have to be able to pass the ball.

Baker and Myles were supposed to lead this team for the next decade. One has seriously regressed and the other is a knucklehead.


Rish, you gotta look at why Baker has regressed. Why was he so accurate last year and this year he's still throwing high and inaccurate?

Piss poor coaching. We now have Ryan Lindley who has little to no experience coaching QBs responsible for developing the franchise QB.

I guess Wylie was right, Zampese had a lot to do with Baker's success last year.

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#1706891 - 12/15/19 05:39 PM Re: Gameday at Arizona [Re: Milk Man]
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I'm not excusing Freddie. Trust me.

But Baker has played like crap all year. It's not all Lindley.

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