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#1707525 - 12/16/19 11:01 AM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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Right now we have one player that goes out and plays "inspired football" - Nick Chubb. There are certain cliches that always hold true in this game... if you don't have a group of players that go out and face their individual opponent like they "stole their lunch money", you don't win football games.

Yesterday, for the first time, I actually watched players going through the motions. They are beaten. They don't have confidence in their coaches, they don't have confidence in their QB, there are no real "team leaders" and there is no "will to win". It's sad - and it's hard to watch.
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#1707526 - 12/16/19 11:11 AM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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This canít be it. Thereís just now way this is the best this team can do with all this talent.

Iím just at a loss for words.

I'll go back to the first post because it says it all. "On paper" we had so much talent that we expected some instant synergy just based on talent alone. So much talent that we were cocky and arrogant from the top down before we even had a plan.

Instead of "synergy", we've watched one of the most disjointed exhibitions of wasted talent that I've ever seen... And it's so confusing and mind boggling that I don't even know where to start. I guess all you can do is start at the top and work your way down.
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#1707531 - 12/16/19 11:21 AM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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At this point, I'm pretty much rooting for the players to pack it in and lose their next 2 games ... only to force Dorsey's hand and save him from himself and his desire to keep Kitchens around for another year. The leadership on this team is abysmal.

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#1707542 - 12/16/19 11:39 AM Re: Post game. [Re: FATE]
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Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: Swish
This canít be it. Thereís just now way this is the best this team can do with all this talent.

Iím just at a loss for words.

I'll go back to the first post because it says it all. "On paper" we had so much talent that we expected some instant synergy just based on talent alone. So much talent that we were cocky and arrogant from the top down before we even had a plan.

Instead of "synergy", we've watched one of the most disjointed exhibitions of wasted talent that I've ever seen... And it's so confusing and mind boggling that I don't even know where to start. I guess all you can do is start at the top and work your way down.



Certainly Freddie couldn't think it would all be as easy pushing a button here and pulling a string there...Could he?!...

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#1707551 - 12/16/19 11:52 AM Re: Post game. [Re: WSU Willie]
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j/c...



How many times this year has the proponent said or alluded-to that?

3 or 4 times this year we've heard this, other times they probably just didn't say anything. It does always seem like the defense is running to the spot at the snap of the ball...
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#1707554 - 12/16/19 11:59 AM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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#1707555 - 12/16/19 12:05 PM Re: Post game. [Re: DeisleDawg]
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The lack of desire was EVIDENT fairly quickly this season .. heck, it started with the Tennessee game ... and when things didnít improve much over the next game or so, I figured this team was a lost cause. Sure, talent would win out in some instances, but we donít have ďitĒ
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#1707557 - 12/16/19 12:08 PM Re: Post game. [Re: DCDAWGFAN]
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If the coaches comment from Joseph has been heard before I am amazed it has not been brought up in the presser of Freddie or monken at some point. That does seem relevant.

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#1707558 - 12/16/19 12:16 PM Re: Post game. [Re: 1oldMutt]
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Originally Posted By: 1oldMutt
Originally Posted By: FATE
Originally Posted By: Swish
This canít be it. Thereís just now way this is the best this team can do with all this talent.

Iím just at a loss for words.

I'll go back to the first post because it says it all. "On paper" we had so much talent that we expected some instant synergy just based on talent alone. So much talent that we were cocky and arrogant from the top down before we even had a plan.

Instead of "synergy", we've watched one of the most disjointed exhibitions of wasted talent that I've ever seen... And it's so confusing and mind boggling that I don't even know where to start. I guess all you can do is start at the top and work your way down.



Certainly Freddie couldn't think it would all be as easy pushing a button here and pulling a string there...Could he?!...

Sure he could! His GM told him it would be. His QB probably told him it would be. The meteoric rise from the previous season told him it would be. All eyes in Berea were googly and all mouths were salivating. Along comes Hunt, Jarvis and OBJ put their fists together - "Wonder Twins - Activate!" The media said we were going to the Superbowl...

What could possibly go wrong?
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#1707564 - 12/16/19 12:29 PM Re: Post game. [Re: ExclDawg]
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At this point, I'm pretty much rooting for the players to pack it in and lose their next 2 games ... only to force Dorsey's hand and save him from himself and his desire to keep Kitchens around for another year. The leadership on this team is abysmal.



If this happens, you potentially have to put Dorsey up on the chopping block as well...

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#1707569 - 12/16/19 12:35 PM Re: Post game. [Re: DCDAWGFAN]
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Originally Posted By: DCDAWGFAN
Originally Posted By: WSU Willie
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j/c...



How many times this year has the proponent said or alluded-to that?

3 or 4 times this year we've heard this, other times they probably just didn't say anything. It does always seem like the defense is running to the spot at the snap of the ball...


I really think that this is an over-simplification.

All teams have tendencies. All teams use certain formations, and run specific plays out of them. Every play call has different reads within it, and the QB has to read what the defense is doing, and react appropriately.

I think the execution is the biggest problems.
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#1707576 - 12/16/19 12:43 PM Re: Post game. [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
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There's some truth to this. They know what Baker is going to do with the ball.

I'm convinced coaching is a factor here as well, however. I don't know that Baker is being coached correctly what to do with the ball.

Things are different this year than last. It's not like Baker had a natural regression kinda like Goff. We've changed coaches all around. Different offense. He's going to have to deal with the same thing next year. Probably.

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#1707594 - 12/16/19 01:08 PM Re: Post game. [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
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Well, we often know as well. Red Zone isn't a tendency as much as an absolute. He gets goofier closer to the goal line. I believe they had us figured out before the snap.
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#1707596 - 12/16/19 01:10 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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I think one of the biggest issues is Baker isn't getting good coaching when he comes off the sidelines.. The fact that kitchens hired Lindley over Zampese to entrust to his franchise QB is where it should have really started to resonate that maybe this isn't the right guy to lead the team.
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#1707603 - 12/16/19 01:22 PM Re: Post game. [Re: leadtheway]
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I think there are two things going on with Baker.

1, his mechanics have changed. I don't know if that is from lifting to much weights in the offseason and his shoulder losing flexibility or if the coaches tried to change something.

2, the pocket has not been as clean as it was last season.
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#1707605 - 12/16/19 01:24 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Jester]
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In regards to the defense knowing what play is coming, I can predict it more than half the time. If I can tell most of the time whether we are running left or running right or passing the ball, then I am sure someone who actually knows football and studies our tendencies can do so at an even higher rate.
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#1707606 - 12/16/19 01:24 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Jester]
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I saw multiple times yesterday where he just didnít trust what he saw or didnít see anything at all. He hitched, pumped, then just ducked/ran
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#1707614 - 12/16/19 01:35 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Dawgs4Life]
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#1707616 - 12/16/19 01:35 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707617 - 12/16/19 01:36 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707618 - 12/16/19 01:37 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707619 - 12/16/19 01:37 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707620 - 12/16/19 01:39 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707622 - 12/16/19 01:42 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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Wait? Why does he still have a job? He's at the podium?!
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#1707623 - 12/16/19 01:42 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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Freddie taking the bullet here for Baker not making the read to an open OBJ...


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#1707624 - 12/16/19 01:43 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707625 - 12/16/19 01:44 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707630 - 12/16/19 01:47 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707631 - 12/16/19 01:48 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707632 - 12/16/19 01:50 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#1707633 - 12/16/19 01:51 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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Freddie watched a different game yesterday...


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#1707634 - 12/16/19 01:52 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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#Browns Freddie Kitchens on defensive losses through season: We're never going to make excuses, but we did have 2 really good ends and 2 safeties who were playing pretty well.

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#1707635 - 12/16/19 01:53 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Milk Man]
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Quality post.
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#1707637 - 12/16/19 01:55 PM Re: Post game. [Re: OldColdDawg]
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Quality post.


That's a live look inside the mind of Freddie Kitchens.

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#1707650 - 12/16/19 02:23 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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Why is Freddie still calling plays?

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#1707657 - 12/16/19 02:41 PM Re: Post game. [Re: DaveyD]
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Why is Freddie still calling plays?


Because he's the head coach and that's the way it is. He's stated this previously.
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#1707659 - 12/16/19 02:42 PM Re: Post game. [Re: The Beast]
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#1707664 - 12/16/19 02:51 PM Re: Post game. [Re: Swish]
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Kareem hunt in on record at his presser today saying guys were taking plays off and not give 110%. SMH. Freddies gotta go.

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