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#1720142 - 01/12/20 03:55 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: RocketOptimist]
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Yeah, that's why they have won 94, 102, 91, and 93 games over the past 4 seasons. Terrible management. rolleyes

As far as Brantley, they could not afford $16 million/season with their other commitments, and with working to try and keep Frankie.

Not every team is the Yankees, who can throw money at players without regard to how it affects the rest of their team.

Added: As far as Salazar, they took an inexpensive chance (relatively) to see whether or not he could return to form.


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#1720802 - 01/13/20 02:05 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN.

Additionally, MLB will fine the Astros $5 million and take away their first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/1216796081457111040
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#1720865 - 01/13/20 03:12 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
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#1720869 - 01/13/20 03:18 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Milk Man]
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I don't think Jim Crane even believes this himself when he says...


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#1720871 - 01/13/20 03:20 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Red Sox manager (and former Astros' coach), Alex Cora, was implicated too, and will be facing some kind of punishment. MLB is also investigating allegations that the Red Sox stole signs electronically in 2018.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/major-astros-punishment-luhnow-hinch-suspended-for-one-year/

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#1720872 - 01/13/20 03:22 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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#1720876 - 01/13/20 03:24 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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#1720879 - 01/13/20 03:32 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
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#1720880 - 01/13/20 03:33 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: MemphisBrownie]
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#1720904 - 01/13/20 04:14 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Should forfeit all games from those seasons as well as the World Series titles.
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#1720954 - 01/13/20 05:14 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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NBC Sports: Red Sox Mgr Alex Cora is "dead man walking".

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/13/alex-cora-sign-stealing/

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#1721086 - 01/13/20 11:55 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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excellent - cheating bastard. did it for 2 teams.

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#1721531 - 01/14/20 08:09 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Twins sign FA 3B Josh Donaldson to 4 year $92M deal.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/14/twins-ink-josh-donaldson-to-four-year-deal/

Red Sox fire manager Alex Cora in wake of Astros' cheating scandal.

https://mlb.nbcsports.com/2020/01/14/red-sox-dismiss-alex-cora/

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#1721552 - 01/14/20 09:00 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Man.. rough week for World Series winners... wonder if there are other teams they'll find who cheated...
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#1721563 - 01/14/20 10:27 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Dang ; what kind of money do the Twins have ?????

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#1721566 - 01/14/20 11:18 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: waterdawg]
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Dang ; what kind of money do the Twins have ?????


The same as the Indians, except they are willing to spend.

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#1722089 - 01/16/20 01:31 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: cfrs15]
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j/c...


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#1722096 - 01/16/20 01:37 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Wonder if Brantley was a player in on this ?

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#1722098 - 01/16/20 01:41 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: waterdawg]
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He was still an Indian when this was going on. Whether it continued in 2019, who knows?

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#1722107 - 01/16/20 01:55 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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Couldn't remember . Lack of brain cells today .. Or most days.

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#1722123 - 01/16/20 02:16 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: waterdawg]
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The Astros were caught in 2018 as well by the Indians (Astros employee caught with video recording device near dugout) and Red Sox (had Astros guy removed that was taping near dugout as well). Indians had even warned the Red Sox prior to the start of the series.

Pretty safe bet it was still going on in 2019.

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#1722137 - 01/16/20 02:38 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Milk Man]
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Wow.


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#1722146 - 01/16/20 02:49 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Milk Man]
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What?...


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#1722166 - 01/16/20 03:03 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Milk Man]
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#1722178 - 01/16/20 03:15 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Milk Man]
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#1722200 - 01/16/20 03:37 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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How the 3-batter minimum will affect the Tribe

https://www.mlb.com/indians/news/indians-three-batter-minimum-strategy


By Mandy Bell @MandyBell02
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CLEVELAND -- Whether Indians manager Terry Francona is on board or not, there is change coming to Major League Baseball in 2020.

For the first time, a rule will be implemented that requires pitchers to face at least three batters or pitch to the conclusion of the half inning, excluding situations that involve injury or illness. This was created as an effort to reduce the number of pitching changes, thus cutting down the average time per game.

The change will cause all 30 clubs to have to strategize a bit differently than in years past, but the Indians will likely be one of the teams who will struggle with it the most.

“I don't understand it. I don't think I'm ever going to,” Francona said. “But we will certainly do the best we can and adapt, and I'm sure when we get to Spring Training, we'll spend a ton of time on the best way to embrace it -- because, I mean, when the season starts, nobody's going to care if I like it or dislike it.”

How much will it actually impact the club?

The numbers over the past few years have been clear: the number of LOOGYs (lefty one-out guys) in the bullpen -- and in the game -- are decreasing. Plus, the majority of relief appearances made across the Majors last year would not violate the new rule. However, the Indians led the Majors in 2019 in what will now be considered violations with 44 instances, according to the Elias Sports Bureau. The Cubs and Diamondbacks were right behind them with 39 violations.

The Tribe also faced three or more hitters in 426 individual appearances last season, which ranked the fewest among all 30 clubs. The Red Sox owned the most with 566.

Undoubtedly, Francona prefers to cater to matchups, and his methods worked last year to lead a bullpen that averaged the slowest fastball in the Majors (90.8 mph) to the lowest ERA in the big leagues from the start of the season through the end of August (3.51). But now, he said he’ll have to change his managerial style.

Watch the splits

This new rule now puts specialist relievers like left-hander Óliver Pérez and righty Adam Cimber in tough spots. Why? The numbers may just speak for themselves.

When used in optimal matchups during the 2019 season:

Pérez vs. left-handed batters: .207 batting average, .607 OPS, 26 strikeouts, 95 plate appearances
Cimber vs. right-handed batters: .244 batting average, .645 OPS, 31 strikeouts, 182 plate appearances

When used outside of their typical matchups:

Pérez vs. right-handed batters: .286 batting average, .889 OPS, 22 strikeouts, 78 plate appearances
Cimber vs. left-handed batters: .296 batting average, .943 OPS, 10 strikeouts, 62 plate appearances

Of Pérez’s 67 overall appearances last year, 25 would be illegal in 2020, while just five of Cimber’s 68 outings would violate the new rule. It’s not that the lefty and the submarine hurler can’t last at least three batters or conclude an inning, it’s the concern of what could happen if they have to face opposite-handed hitters.

For example, the Indians could still try to use Pérez – or Cimber -- in a similar role, calling on him to enter an inning with two outs and a lefty at the plate. If he comes in and gets the out, then there’s no harm. But say there is a powerful right-handed hitter on deck when he enters, and he doesn’t get the first batter out. Then the Indians are left holding their collective breath that he can escape the jam.

“We get to the ballpark early and we stay late, and the object is to try to do it better than the other people,” Francona said. “Sometimes, you're successful. Sometimes, you're not. But when you start to leave it to chance, that kind of goes against everything we live for and we believe in. And it's a hard one for me. I'm struggling with this.”

Importance of Karinchak and Clase

Although Pérez and Cimber may struggle to find their footing to start the season until everyone is adjusted to the new strategies this rule will bring, it’s important to note just how crucial the two young arms could be.

The Indians got a quick glimpse of James Karinchak in September, as he posted a 1.69 ERA in 5 1/3 innings. And while it may have been a small sample size, his splits against left-handed and right-handed hitters nearly mirrored the numbers he posted in the Minors last season:

Facing righties in MLB: .222 average, .633 OPS, one strikeout, 10 plate appearances
Facing lefties in MLB: .091 average, .174 OPS, seven strikeouts, 12 plate appearances
Facing righties in the Minors: .203 average, .591 OPS, 48 strikeouts, 90 plate appearances
Facing lefties in the Minors: .063 average, .241 OPS, 34 strikeouts, 57 plate appearances

Karinchak’s numbers against lefties are absolutely dominant, but the key is that the 24-year-old can also get righties out consistently.

Now let’s add newly acquired Emmanuel Clase to the mix. He will bring some velocity to the Tribe’s ‘pen, owning a triple-digit cutter that’s played well in the big leagues thus far. In 2019, he threw 238 pitches that clocked in at 98+ mph, while the Tribe's pitchers only threw 12, collectively.

Last season, Clase made 21 appearances for the Rangers and posted a 2.31 ERA in 23 1/3 innings. He split the first half of the year between Class A Advanced and Double-A, pitching to a combined 2.82 ERA with 50 strikeouts in 44 2/3 frames while holding opponents to a .226 average.

When he got the call to the big leagues in August, his platoon splits proved that the Indians may have another reliable arm that they can lean on:

Facing left-handed batters: 11 1/3 innings, 10 hits, one homer, two walks, 10 strikeouts, 1.06 WHIP
Facing right-handed batters: 12 innings, 10 hits, one homer, four walks, 11 strikeouts, 1.17 WHIP

It’s certainly going to be an adjustment for the Indians, who were the most common offenders of the future rule last season. But they may be able to breathe a little easier, knowing they have some up-and-coming talent that could evolve into two huge weapons to combat the new three-batter minimum rule.
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#1722239 - 01/16/20 04:06 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
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What!?

What a stupid rule. I get the idea behind speeding up the game but don't change rules that significantly affect the strategy of the game like that. You're not going to get fans who think the game is too boring because you made the game 10 minutes shorter. Meanwhile, you turn off the real fans who don't mind the bit longer games.

I can hardly wait until the first time a pitcher goes down with an injury (or an "injury"), and can't pitch all three batters.

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#1722265 - 01/16/20 04:24 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: GratefulDawg]
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#1722267 - 01/16/20 04:28 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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#1722302 - 01/16/20 05:42 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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I stopped watching baseball altogether in 2000, and it may have been a really really good decision. I feel better never giving it a thought.

I heard the Angels won the World Series in 2003, but beyond that, I may not have seen or heard 10 minutes, except one occasion, but, somehow,
I still feel like I knew the names Carlos Beltran, and Terry Francona.

They had a scandal? Shucks, Not sorry I missed it.

A watch of that 5 second video of the trash can noise before a pitch? Seemed pretty dang obvious, what took em so long to figure it out?
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#1722441 - 01/17/20 09:13 AM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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This whole baseball thing is CRAZY.

Was listening to Je'Rod Cherry and Matt Fontana talking about it, and they had made a great point.

Think about all the guys and teams this effected, and their eventual outcome.

What if the Tribe doesn't get rocked in that series? Is Kluber still here? Do we win a title and eventually fill the stands and are able to keep Frankie? The outcome of our team and is composition could be extremely different right now.

Then, think about all the guys that were bubble guys on the mound, who were sent down or had their careers sent off track.

IMO, they should be stripped of their title and banned for a year (the entire team).

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#1722445 - 01/17/20 09:35 AM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: willitevachange]
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It’s certainly crazy ... and that thing with the buzzers makes it even more convoluted
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#1722485 - 01/17/20 10:55 AM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: willitevachange]
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I realize more than one city is involved with cheating but I can't help but see how much the Boston teams are involved. The Pats have been accused and fined in the past over cheating and also lost draft picks. They just got accused this past season of filming a game illegally. The Red Sox were accused of steroid use during their World Series wins in 2004 and 2007. Players like Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz were named in reports as well as a few others. It's telling that they hired Alex Cora as manager who was the alleged mastermind behind the cheating. IIRC Cora was suspected of cheating while he was a coach in Houston but it wasn't proven until now. Coincidence? Even the Celtics have been accused of some dubious actions in the past when Red A. was running things.


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#1722547 - 01/17/20 12:09 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Homewood Dog]
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Originally Posted By: Homewood Dog
I realize more than one city is involved with cheating but I can't help but see how much the Boston teams are involved. The Pats have been accused and fined in the past over cheating and also lost draft picks. They just got accused this past season of filming a game illegally. The Red Sox were accused of steroid use during their World Series wins in 2004 and 2007. Players like Manny Ramirez and David Ortiz were named in reports as well as a few others. It's telling that they hired Alex Cora as manager who was the alleged mastermind behind the cheating. IIRC Cora was suspected of cheating while he was a coach in Houston but it wasn't proven until now. Coincidence? Even the Celtics have been accused of some dubious actions in the past when Red A. was running things.
Well, to be fair - it doubt its a Boston issue, an more of a "they were the ones that got caught" issue.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if this was more widespread than is being let on.

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#1722555 - 01/17/20 12:17 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: willitevachange]
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That's true and I agree but Boston teams seem to be right in the middle of this for years.

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#1722770 - 01/17/20 04:27 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Homewood Dog]
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My favorite part will be when some of them go into the HOF yet Rose did nothing close to this as a player or even as a manager can’t get in ... gotta love baseball ...

On a side note ... happy Bregman’s smack dab in the middle of it ... he’s an arrogant butt hole ... couldn’t be more deserving ... thumbsup
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#1722785 - 01/17/20 05:18 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Homewood Dog]
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That's true and I agree but Boston teams seem to be right in the middle of this for years.


Probably because it's the New York reporters trying to catch them.

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#1722802 - 01/17/20 07:17 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Homewood Dog]
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#1722967 - 01/18/20 02:29 PM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Dave]
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There is a phrase in college sports that I believe applies to all sports, If your not cheating you are not trying.

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#1723992 - 01/22/20 07:44 AM Re: MLB "Hot Stove League" thread [Re: Day of the Dawg]
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Lolz.

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