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Just started to wonder about our FA and draft and UDFA's today. We are, I believe, at 90. Like a snake, we will need to shed some skin, and that means some talent other folks might like.

Thoughts on the practice squad going into this campaign? Any ideas about how many will be kept by positions? Where do we most need the depth? Who is most promising to develop?

This will be vital as we tool up for what looks like extended success IMO. I expect us to continue shopping as the clubs cut down as well. Maybe it's too early to post up, but wanted the thread there. brownie


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I like the numbers put up by Romeo McKnight, the UDFA, the 25th guy to worry about at DE from a div. 2 school, what, Illinois State?

7? years ago, I would have said the same thing about I think it was Kareem Hunt, I liked the numbers but it was at "Toledo". (How'd that turn out.)

Romeo McKnight, I'd like to learn more about the guy and see him play a couple of snaps, in preseason maybe, (ehh there may be use for (1) ONE pre-season game; mostly I'm on board with ending the pre-season for good.

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Dang that guys in the backfield a lot. 32 games, 25 starts, divison 2, but Dang that guys in the backfield a lot!.

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Breaking down the Browns' roster position-by-position after the 2021 NFL Draft
May 04, 2021 at 04:51 PM

Anthony Poisal
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2021 Browns NFL Draft Recap

With the conclusion of the NFL Draft, the Browns' roster has taken one more giant leap toward completion for 2021.

This season's team looks to be even more complete than the one assembled a years ago — Cleveland returned all of its top offensive starters, and the majority of its offseason resources have been spent on revamping the defense with new players across nearly every position.

Now, each position has clear candidates for dependable starters and a deep pool of players capable of rotational and depth roles.

Here's how the roster shakes out following the draft:

QBs
Returning: Baker Mayfield, Case Keenum, Kyle Lauletta
Added in free agency: N/A

Drafted: N/A
Analysis: No changes here, which is a theme that will stay true with nearly every position on the offense. Mayfield is locked in at QB1 after he produced his best NFL season with 3,563 passing yards, 26 touchdowns and eight interceptions. He'll enter 2021 with the same head coach and offensive coordinator for the first time in his career.

RBs
Returning: Nick Chubb, Kareem Hunt, D'Ernest Johnson, John Kelly
Added in free agency: Tre Harbison (rookie)
Drafted: Demetric Felton
Analysis: Chubb and Hunt, the top catalysts behind the Browns' sixth-ranked rushing attack last season, are setting out to be even better in 2021. Felton was added to the room as a sixth-round pick and has potential as both a receiver and returner. He could compete with Johnson, who handled kick returning duties in the second half of last season, for a backup role.

FBs
Returning: Andy Janovich, Johnny Stanton
Added in free agency: N/A
Drafted: N/A
Analysis: The fullback position played a valuable role in head coach Kevin Stefanski's offense last year, and it will again in 2021, which is why the two players at the position last year are back for Year 2.

WRs
Returning: Odell Beckham Jr., Jarvis Landry, Rashard Higgins, Donovan Peoples-Jones, JoJo Natson, KhaDarel Hodge (restricted free agent), Ja'Marcus Bradley, Ryan Switzer, Alexander Hollins, Derrick Willies
Added in free agency: N/A
Drafted: Anthony Schwartz

Analysis: The receivers room was already slated to get better in 2021 with the return of Beckham, who missed nine games last year with a season-ending ACL injury. He, as well as Landry, will be the top two targets again for Mayfield in 2021. The addition of Schwartz, the fastest receiver of the draft class, offers another deep-ball weapon to the group.

TEs
Returning: Austin Hooper, David Njoku, Harrison Bryant, Stephen Carlson, Jordan Franks, Kyle Markway
Added in free agency: N/A
Drafted: N/A
Analysis: The Browns' tight ends provided plenty of aid as receivers and blockers last season, and the core four players of the group — Hooper, Njoku, Bryant and Carlson — are back to stabilize the position again.

OTs
Returning: Jack Conklin, Jedrick Wills Jr., Chris Hubbard, Alex Taylor

Added in free agency: Greg Senat
Drafted: James Hudson
Analysis: Conklin and Wills are the core of the Browns' future at tackle. Hubbard's 2020 season ended early with an ACL injury, but he should return as a swing tackle candidate next season. Hudson, a fourth-round pick, is a quality developmental piece who could be relied on if injuries affect the position.

Cs
Returning: JC Tretter, Nick Harris, Javon Patterson
Added in free agency: N/A
Drafted: N/A
Analysis: Harris proved in Week 15 he was capable of playing guard, too, and is a reliable depth piece for the interior line. Tretter will enter his ninth NFL season and hold down the starting role.

OGs
Returning: Joel Bitonio, Wyatt Teller, Drew Forbes, Michael Dunn, Blake Hance, Colby Gossett, Cordel Iwuagwu
Added in free agency: N/A
Drafted: N/A
Analysis: Teller did a masterful job of filling the right guard hole he assumed from Day 1 in 2020 training camp. Forbes and Gossett, who opted out of last season, will be in competition for backup roles with Dunn and Hance, who came up massive for the Browns when injuries hampered the group near the end of last season.

DEs
Returning: Myles Garrett, Porter Gustin, Curtis Weaver, Joe Jackson, Cameron Malveaux
Added in free agency: Jadeveon Clowney, Takkarist McKinley, Romeo McKnight (rookie)
Drafted: N/A
Analysis: Now we're at the defense, which will have plenty of new faces next season. Clowney, a three-time Pro Bowler, and McKinley, a first-round pick in 2017, will be two of them. Both could potentially star alongside Garrett and give Cleveland one of the best defensive lines in the league.

DTs
Returning: Jordan Elliott, Sheldon Day, Andrew Billings
Added in free agency: Malik Jackson, Malik McDowell, Damion Square, Marvin Wilson
Drafted: Tommy Togiai

Analysis: No group will have more competition for a starting role than defensive tackle, which lost its two starters last season in Sheldon Richardson and Larry Ogunjobi. Jackson is the top veteran of the group and is entering his 10th NFL season, while Billings returns after opting out of 2020. Togiai, a fifth-round pick from Ohio State, could find his way into the rotation with a good training camp.

LBs
Returning: Jacob Phillips, Sione Takitaki, Mack Wilson, Malcolm Smith, Elijah Lee, Montrel Meander
Added in free agency: Anthony Walker
Drafted: Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah, Tony Fields II
Analysis: Plenty of competition will take place here. Walker appears to be in line for considerable snaps after recording 343 tackles in his first four seasons in Indianapolis. Owusu-Koramoah slipped to the Browns in the second round but could be an immediate impact player in 2021. Phillips, Takitaki and Wilson are three young players who will be given a chance to make a jump.

CBs
Returning: Denzel Ward, Greedy Williams, MJ Stewart Jr., Robert Jackson, Brian Allen, A.J. Green

Added in free agency: Troy Hill, Kiondre Thomas, Emmanuel Rugamba
Drafted: Greg Newsome II
Analysis: The Browns addressed the depth issues that arose in this group last season by signing Hill, one of the top defensive backs who hit the free-agent market this offseason, and Newsome, the first-round pick. This group boasts quality starters for both the inside and outside and reliable depth to back them up.

Ss
Returning: Ronnie Harrison Jr., Grant Delpit, Sheldrick Redwine, Jovante Moffatt, Elijah Benton
Added in free agency: John Johnson III
Drafted: Richard LeCounte III
Analysis: Cleveland never got to see the talent of Delpit, the 2020 second-round pick who suffered a season-ending Achilles injury in training camp. Now, Delpit is back, and he'll join Harrison and Johnson, the first player the Browns signed in free agency, to complete a versatile and remarkably young safety room.

Specialists
Returning: K Cody Parkey, P Jamie Gillan, LS Charley Hughlett
Added in free agency: N/A
Draft: N/A
Analysis: Parkey was re-signed after going 11-for-11 on extra points and three-for-three on field goals in the final three games, including postseason. Gillan and Hughlett round out a group that showed the Browns last season they have the most important trait of special teams play: consistency.


https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bre...-2021-nfl-draft


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The fun part is getting to 53 players.

First I like to look at a break down by position group...just my feeling for what is needed before looking at actual names. That helps me in the final cuts, trying to fit names in to allotted openings.

QB 3
RB 4
FB 1
TE 3
WR 6
OT 4
G 4
C 2

27 total O players


DE 4
DT 4
LB 5
CB 6
S 4

23 total D players

LS 1
K 1
P 1

53 total

That is just the first stab. I know we carried 4 TE's and 2 FB last season. I am not sure we can do that this year. I am trying to do this based on Stefanski and what he likes. If it was up to me I'd free up another spot and dump the FB.

We might be able to shave a O lineman depending on who can play what, same with the DB/S/LB grouping. I'd like to add a D lineman

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4 Tight ends from last year coming back after one year in Alex Van Pelts offense is a plus! thumbsup


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I think 8 on the O-line total, 8 and 3 on the practice squad, who all is eligible for the PS?

I'm not going to fret if Jordan Elliott and Drew Forbes are not Browns this September, Greedy Williams either, I don't see a reason to (?) over past draft capital either, because the future is now.
Terrence Mitchell Started 16 of 16 games last year, and the team moved on from him, these ^3 barely get on the field, and when Wyatt Teller excelled out of nowhere, What is there to miss?


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I see us always having 4 TEs under Stefanski, but doubt we keep 2 FBs. I think one of them is cut in lieu of a WR


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I see us always having 4 TEs under Stefanski, but doubt we keep 2 FBs. I think one of them is cut in lieu of a WR


I do too. That was a hard cut down for me based on what you said. I almost put 4 but opted to keep 1 FB based on Stefanski. Looking back, I don't remember a FB playing all that much last year.

Would it be so hard to put Carlson in at the FB position if a lead blocker is desired?


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THanks! Quite an article. Keepers are?


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I would think a TE could be used in a pinch for FB if needed. I also once mentioned a 4-tight set with a slot at each side that could be formidable with this backfield. Need to have a single wing kind of attitude to pound with it, but owe really are stacked with some talent on paper. Red zone is a matchup nightmare .


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
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I see us always having 4 TEs under Stefanski, but doubt we keep 2 FBs. I think one of them is cut in lieu of a WR


I do too. That was a hard cut down for me based on what you said. I almost put 4 but opted to keep 1 FB based on Stefanski. Looking back, I don't remember a FB playing all that much last year.

Would it be so hard to put Carlson in at the FB position if a lead blocker is desired?
yeah, good point. The FB position is obviously a dying breed. We’ll see how effective our coaches view the position. I’d like to see a break down of Janovich’s usage and a correlation to our run success


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I felt we used the FB quite a bit early on and then tapered off sharply as the season went on.


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As others have pointed out, the position with the most 'action' in terms of trimming to final roster will be DT. We have some guys coming back, and we seemed to make several boom/bust moves. There's a good chance we don't like what we're seeing out of the guys we picked up and will be watching intently during cutdowns.


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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I felt we used the FB quite a bit early on and then tapered off sharply as the season went on.
I wonder if that was because we felt Baker needed more receiving options once OBJ was injured


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My assumption (uneducated as it may be) is that I felt, as the season went on, we were throwing significantly more, and moved away from that "we're gonna run it and there's nothing you can do about it" mentality.


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Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I felt we used the FB quite a bit early on and then tapered off sharply as the season went on.


And I feel that our effectiveness with the run was significantly higher early on as well.


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I'd have to go find it, but I read somewhere that Chubb's stats without a fullback were better than with one, but Hunt's stats were better with a full back than without one.


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Originally Posted By: PrplPplEater
Originally Posted By: oobernoober
I felt we used the FB quite a bit early on and then tapered off sharply as the season went on.


And I feel that our effectiveness with the run was significantly higher early on as well.
Yeah that’s for sure. You wonder if we kinda shifted identities when Chubb was injured and never quite got back (and Teller’s injury as well)


"First down inside the 10. A score here likely puts us in the Super Bowl. Landry is far to the left as Hooper settles into the slot. OBJ is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Hunt are split in the backfield as Baker takes the snap ... Here we go."
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We had a fullback on the field 17% of the time. Janovich also played 52% of the special teams snaps.

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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
We had a fullback on the field 17% of the time. Janovich also played 52% of the special teams snaps.


I don't see 17% as significant, and as some said, it seemed to be zip later on once we started running Hunt and Chubb together.

As for the special teams, that wouldn't be hard to replace.

Hey, if Stefanski wants a fullback, no beefs from me. I just don't see how we can keep 4TE's and 2 FB's on the roster. I don't see it with even 1 FB.


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I'd have to go find it, but I read somewhere that Chubb's stats without a fullback were better than with one, but Hunt's stats were better with a full back than without one.


If you can, I'd love to read about that. That's the stuff that sometimes gets talked about on here that is absolutely fascinating.


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We only had two fullbacks last year because Janovich got COVID. Stanton was on the practice squad most of the year.

I don’t remember Chubb and Hunt playing together much last year.

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There is no hard and fast rule that says that we will keep 4 TE. If the team feels that a 4th RB, or a 6th WR, is more valuable, then I am sure they will do that instead.

I also look at the defensive numbers, and I am sure that we'll keep more than 4 S. If 3 S is going to be our base, then we need more than 1 backup.

It will be interesting to see how it all washes out.


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There is no way around it folks, we will be cutting talent this year and other teams will scoop them up fast IMHO.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
We only had two fullbacks last year because Janovich got COVID. Stanton was on the practice squad most of the year.

I don’t remember Chubb and Hunt playing together much last year.


Cool on the Fullbacks.

I didn't mean for it to sound like we playerd Chubb and Hunt together a lot. Just enough to supplant that 17% the fullbacks played to the point it didn't seem like a FB was even used.


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Originally Posted By: Ballpeen
Originally Posted By: cfrs15
We only had two fullbacks last year because Janovich got COVID. Stanton was on the practice squad most of the year.

I don’t remember Chubb and Hunt playing together much last year.


Cool on the Fullbacks.

I didn't mean for it to sound like we playerd Chubb and Hunt together a lot. Just enough to supplant that 17% the fullbacks played to the point it didn't seem like a FB was even used.


I would bet we use a fullback more often in 2021 than in 2020 because the playbook will be opened up a little more and teams will know our tendencies from 2020 data.

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People talk about us using 2 or 3 TE, and a FB frequently, yet we most commonly used 3 WR.

https://www.sharpfootballstats.com/personnel-grouping-frequency.html

We did use 3 TE on a fair number of snaps, but I bet we could use an OL in those situations.


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https://www.cleveland.com/browns/2021/05...roundtable.html

Haven't listened to this podcast yet but looks like it would fit in here pretty good.


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Browns ran 13 personnel more than any other team in the league.

Interesting that the Browns were the least successful when running out of a two back set, albeit smaller sample sizes.

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Also found this:

"Here's the rundown from last year when the Browns announced their official 53-man roster. Of note, the Browns made a couple of moves one day later, thereby adjusting some of these totals.

QBs - 2
RBs - 3
FBs - 1
TEs - 5 (Went to 4 before season opener)
WRs - 6
OL - 9

DL - 8 (Went to 9 before season opener)
LBs - 6
DBs - 10
Specialists - 3"

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bro...MTAPZKf3Pla36cc


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We didn't have a FB on the roster and Stefanski felt the need to go out and get one. That indicates he holds some value on the position.


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Originally Posted By: cfrs15
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We only had two fullbacks last year because Janovich got COVID. Stanton was on the practice squad most of the year.

I don’t remember Chubb and Hunt playing together much last year.


Cool on the Fullbacks.

I didn't mean for it to sound like we playerd Chubb and Hunt together a lot. Just enough to supplant that 17% the fullbacks played to the point it didn't seem like a FB was even used.


I would bet we use a fullback more often in 2021 than in 2020 because the playbook will be opened up a little more and teams will know our tendencies from 2020 data.



To me using a FB more shuts down the playbook.


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We didn't have a FB on the roster and Stefanski felt the need to go out and get one. That indicates he holds some value on the position.


I agree. That is why I listed one on my position list.


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Browns ran 13 personnel more than any other team in the league.

Interesting that the Browns were the least successful when running out of a two back set, albeit smaller sample sizes.
I know people clamored for Chubb and Hunt together, but there was definitely a few reasons that didn’t happen much


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Originally Posted By: YTownBrownsFan
There is no hard and fast rule that says that we will keep 4 TE. If the team feels that a 4th RB, or a 6th WR, is more valuable, then I am sure they will do that instead.

I also look at the defensive numbers, and I am sure that we'll keep more than 4 S. If 3 S is going to be our base, then we need more than 1 backup.

It will be interesting to see how it all washes out.


Provided Njoku's improvement in blocking last season is legit, I could see it possible we go with 3 TEs with Carlson being the odd man out.


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For as much time and effort the Browns spend into getting a competetant group of Cornerbacks onto this roster,
There needs to be a group that can get on the field for 17+ games.


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Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Browns ran 13 personnel more than any other team in the league.

Interesting that the Browns were the least successful when running out of a two back set, albeit smaller sample sizes.
I know people clamored for Chubb and Hunt together, but there was definitely a few reasons that didn’t happen much


I was one of them

They probably thought fresh legs is more valuable playing one on and one off


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GC. Well I listened to Cleveland.com local writers have their go through, and select their 53 roster, with little disagreement and, humbly, I think they are wrong.

The biggest, hardest pill to swallow is they just brush past Jordan Elliott like he's a sure fire top dt on this team. Sadly, today, he's not top 7, 6 or 7 or whatever, if Jordan Elliott makes the roster, and all the current names stay healthy and ready to play, I'm going to be disappointed.
Jordan Elliott is just not the better player in one v one comparisons with any of these players.
Marvin Wilson
Damion Square
Malik Mcdowell
Malik Jackson
Andrew Billings
Tommy Togiai, J. Clowney, Takk McKinley, or Myles Garrett. (Not in production anyway.)

2nd. Porter Gustin, they like Porter Gustin, the Cleveland.com writers crew.

As far as I see it, Who was the team trying to replace when they went and signed Weaver off the Dolphins in late 2019?
So that didn't work out, if the team liked Porter Gustin, why did they go get, Takk McKinley and Clowney,

3rd. They all agree Greedy makes the team...
What can I say.

Not even any discussion. I have to admit they are sportswriters, so maybe they have inside info.


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Originally Posted By: superbowldogg
Originally Posted By: Dawgs4Life
Originally Posted By: Milk Man
Browns ran 13 personnel more than any other team in the league.

Interesting that the Browns were the least successful when running out of a two back set, albeit smaller sample sizes.
I know people clamored for Chubb and Hunt together, but there was definitely a few reasons that didn’t happen much


I was one of them

They probably thought fresh legs is more valuable playing one on and one off
yeah there were times when I thought we should (especially at NYJ with so many WRs out)


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