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DId anyone see the article on Simeon Rice on TV (forget the channel). He had a shoulder injury but is returned to full strength and wants to play. He was a major force as a pass rusher and still has several years left. Not a long term solution but could be available for reasonable amount as a situational rusher or even LB.
What do we have after Hall, McGinest and Wimbley? Rice has plenty of experience and could help our rush against Pitt and Balt. Any team that gives him a try will probably get long term loyalty and great play. What do you think?
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Not for the Browns.
He is 34 years old.
Never played in a 34 defense.
You expect him to play OLB when his whole career has been DE, in a 43. Not a transition he would likely make smoothly. People complain about Willie, this guy has never done it and would be slower to react.
Hasn't played a full season since 2004 (although only missed one game in 2005).
Not a short-term solution at all, nor long-term.
Would be a waste of money and time to get him into our gameplan.
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Never played in a 34 defense.
You expect him to play OLB when his whole career has been DE, in a 43. Not a transition he would likely make smoothly.
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You could be right but DL is hard to come by at a reasonable price.
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His last listed playing weight was 268, at 6' 5" ... that isn't DL for us, that is a LB.
He'd get abused like a rag doll at DE in a 3-4.
His only shot here would be as a LB, and to do that he'd have to learn to do a lot of things he hasn't done, like cover TE's in the passing game. Mid-season is not the time to try that, that is for the offseason.
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i think that's only if you want the guy to be in on 1st and 2nd down. i think we could bring him in just to rush the passer on a 1 year deal.
he got grumpy the last couple places he was at over playing time so maybe that wouldn't work either.
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It would be pointless to bring him in because he would be one dimensional. All he would do is rush the passer and when teams figured that out after 1 game it wouldn't be hard to stop his rush if we did bring him in.
Not that it matters, because Savage is not dumb enough to bring him in and I doubt any NFL team will. His time is done.
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Yeah but...He's not the only one on the team. If we can help Wimbley out...and our D line IS beat up....
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Didn't that guy play against Art Schlister when he was in college??
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Didn't that guy play against Art Schlister when he was in college??
Art will give you 2 to 1 on that ...
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Didn't that guy play against Art Schlister when he was in college??
Art will give you 2 to 1 on that ...
That's not very nice.
It would be 3 to 5,Art was never a good gambler.
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His last listed playing weight was 268, at 6' 5" ... that isn't DL for us, that is a LB.
He'd get abused like a rag doll at DE in a 3-4.
His only shot here would be as a LB, and to do that he'd have to learn to do a lot of things he hasn't done, like cover TE's in the passing game. Mid-season is not the time to try that, that is for the offseason.
I dont think it would hurt the Browns if they have one more injury the position to give Rice a look at LB. If it worked out, I would add an additional year. McGinnest wont be back next year for sure.
As far as career DEs not working out as a LB, It worked out pretty well for the Browns before. I cant believe I forgot his name right now, but the Browns picked up a career DE that played for Arizona and made the Pro Bowl becoming the first Browns player to make the Pro Bowl since their return.. He also did so as a 4-3 OLB and not a 3-4 OLB.
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His last listed playing weight was 268, at 6' 5" ... that isn't DL for us, that is a LB.
He'd get abused like a rag doll at DE in a 3-4.
His only shot here would be as a LB, and to do that he'd have to learn to do a lot of things he hasn't done, like cover TE's in the passing game. Mid-season is not the time to try that, that is for the offseason.
I dont think it would hurt the Browns if they have one more injury the position to give Rice a look at LB. If it worked out, I would add an additional year. McGinnest wont be back next year for sure.
As far as career DEs not working out as a LB, It worked out pretty well for the Browns before. I cant believe I forgot his name right now, but the Browns picked up a career DE that played for Arizona and made the Pro Bowl becoming the first Browns player to make the Pro Bowl since their return.. He also did so as a 4-3 OLB and not a 3-4 OLB.
Jamir Miller.
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Guy is as arrogant as heck but one heck of a player.
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I don't think Jamir Miller was ever a career DE.
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if he doesn't throw at receivers feet, i'll take him 
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I don't think Jamir Miller was ever a career DE.
I thought that I have read in the past that Jamir Miller didnt play LB until he came to Cleveland.
Jamir Miller was a ballhawk at LB.
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I don't think Jamir Miller was ever a career DE.
I thought that I have read in the past that Jamir Miller didnt play LB until he came to Cleveland.
Jamir Miller was a ballhawk at LB.
Nope, he played LB his entire career. Jamir Miller Stat Page
I was always a big fan of Jamir Miller. I always thought that if hadn't torn his achilles during the first preseason against the vikings, we could have beaten pittsburgh in the playoffs. Had we beaten Pittsburgh, we would have played (and beaten) Oakland...who was already on a downward spiral at that point. I doubt we would have gotten to the super bowl, but we would have made it to the AFC championship. Then again, with Miller who's to say we wouldn't have 10+ games that year -- and the division. Indy was very beatable that year (week 15, 2002 year) -- in fact, had Couch ran the ball in on that goal to go and 1 second left in the 4th instead of throwing that incomplete pass we would have won the game. I can still remember screaming at the TV telling Couch to run it in. Ahhh...painful memories.
That 2002 team was a real oddity....and really lucky. We weren't really that good. But I felt that the 2002 team played with more passion and grit than any Browns team since we've come back. We didn't have that prima donna player...or any all-pro player for that matter. We had a bunch of guys that played as a team, and played their hearts out.
How a thread gets so off topic...I have no idea.
Anyway, just say no to Rice. Our D is playing better as of late...and I'd rather see Hall develop as an OLB than stunting his growth moving coaching time and playing time over to Rice.
In other news about Jamir Miller, he's lobbying to take over as Gene Upshaw's successor as NFLPA Executive director
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Well staying off topic 
Yes, Miller was always a LB...had a superstar athleticism - But until Foge utilized him in an ATTACK mode he was always in a Read n React system, never taking advantage of his Athletic skills. We got to see what he would have been like for the one season...guess that was like his 15 minutes of fame sort of thing.
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Not for the Browns.
He is 34 years old.
Never played in a 34 defense.
You expect him to play OLB when his whole career has been DE, in a 43. Not a transition he would likely make smoothly. People complain about Willie, this guy has never done it and would be slower to react.
Hasn't played a full season since 2004 (although only missed one game in 2005).
Not a short-term solution at all, nor long-term.
Would be a waste of money and time to get him into our gameplan.
I dunno if it's been covered or not, as I haven't read the rest of the replies, so while I would agree he's not a long-term solution for anyone, there is a situation where he could be a fit for us.
Before I go there, let me say I have no use for Rice. He was a declining player who feels he's been blackballed for this reason or that, when the reality is that he's done as a starting player. However, as a situational pass rusher he could be very valuable to someone.
We all know the two achilles heals on our defense are our linebackers and our pass rush (fascinating cooincidence that those two things are tied together, no?). On obvious passing situations, he stands a chance of being better than Willie or even One-Trick-Pony.
Now does that mean I'd advocate signing him? Nah, not at all, but that doesn't mean if we were making a serious playoff push that I wouldn't nod my head if we signed him for the rest of the year to get some pass rush.
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