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Interesting ... Thoughts?


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What was the name of that group that wanted to die in order to latch on to the Hale Bopp comet a number of years back? Oh yeah, Heavensgate was the name of the religious group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven's_Gate_(religious_group)

At first blush, this kinda reminds me of that.


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Looks like an interesting movie that will surely get the 2012 fears ramped up to Y2K levels in no time at all.


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Ahh someone got it


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What? This a movie promo? Wow,, in that case,, sounds like fun


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Seems to be a good promo to me. I'm kinda looking forward to the movie myself.


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I've seen the commercials for this. I thought it was just another whacked out group. Had no clue from the promo it was a movie. Sounds like it could be a good movie.

Not to start a political thread, but my 1st thought was, "Oh Geez, how much money is Obama throwing at this?"


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What hurts, is there really are groups who believe this. It is more common than you think. I heard about this thing quite a few years ago. The scientific part of it is interesting and supposedly true. The end of the world stuff is just one of those things.
It is based on the Mayan calender. It is said many things have occurred that the calender referred to, and that the calender ends in 2012.
Should be good for selling things like all the Y2K crap, and jsut another thing for the government to spend money on "preparring" for.


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All of the planets in the solar system will supposedly be lined up on Dec 22 or 23, 2012, which is the last day on the Mayan calendar. Interesting they chose to stop it there, but no one knows if its because it starts over or they truly thought that would be the end of the world...


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Dec. 21 - 12/21/2012

It is the end of I believe the 4th Mayan Age.... and I believe the beginning of The Age of Aquarius (everybody sing along!).

In addition to the planets aligning, the Earth should pass through the Galactic Equator, which has many theorizing that it can and will result in a complete shift in the Earth's poles. Some have taken that and ran with it to the extreme and postulated that this would created conditions unsuitable for life as it exists, all cells in living organisms would be torn apart, etc...


Either way, it should make for some interesting parties because nobody will truly know until it happens


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My thoughts exactly. Play on our fears, make some moola and hope the world really doesn't end in '12.

I have entered the lottery though, with my 4 kids, I think I get special consideration. LOL

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Isn't the sun supposed to pass through the center of the galaxy also?

Either way, gonna be a pretty interesting time.


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I have even heard the Earth will start to rotate in the opposite direction. The magnetic pole thingy could have a dramatic influence on wildlife, that is IF we actually surmise correctly that birds and fish are sensitive to the fields and use them for migration. As far as the cell thingy, I realign peoples molecules every day. Then I do the really crappy thing of letting them snap back into natural alignment. It's called an MRI, and I don't think I've exploded and cells yet. Well, maybe a few, I'm not sure.

I'm all for the parties, bring 'em on!!! But personally, I think the Mayans were just expecting some Shaman in the future to do the next part of their calender. Unfortunately, they kind of went out of business. Lord knows I don't think I could get my 2012 calender yet, except in outlook, I can schedule meetings for EVER!!!!!

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Isn't the sun supposed to pass through the center of the galaxy also?





No. We are in one of the arms of the galaxy, VERY VERY far from the center. Even if the sun was thrown out if IT's orbit, and if it were posible for it to travel at the speed of light it would take 35,000 years to get there.


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What's weird is it's not just the Mayan's that predict a happening/end of world scenario around December 21st 2012. It seems the Hopi and Aztecs did as well. I believe there is a tribe in Madagascar that, to this day, still predicts the end in Dec. 2012. Search the topic sometime, you will be astonished about what's already out there. Not that I believe any of the crap . . .

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Besides, it is believed there to be a very large blackhole at the center of the Milky Way. We don't want to go there anytime soon.

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Thing is, there was no catastrophic prediction that I'm aware of.
the calendar just ends. And the Hopi and Aztecs could easily have had some "collusion". Seriously, how far in advance does your job make it's schedule out? My peeps are lucky if they get two months!

Not to mention, it's happened so many times in the past, I ain't cashing in my 403B.

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Calm down everyone, we are ok until 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038


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The Samerians predict something to happen too...

I'm a little half/half on this... I've read some reports saying NASA confirms this Planet X / Niburia is coming toward Earth... Also.. I've read reports of how the pole shifts are going to efffect the earth, and how Revelations of the Bible talks of this... SO I don't kow..


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Pheww! I was getting worried!

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Calm down everyone, we are ok until 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038




unless people link to a 64 bit libc


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Calm down everyone, we are ok until 03:14:07 UTC on Tuesday, 19 January 2038




Is that when the Unix time function is supposed to run out of digits(or something like that)?

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They were claiming that for Y2K too, didn't pan out.

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Glad you brought it up The following is a write up from Universe Today where they say why the mayan calendar prediction is a bit of a stretch. There's also posts about Nibiru and planet X among other doomsday devices. Basically, why it's all rooted in misunderstanding with no proof behind it.

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Apparently, the world is going to end on December 21st, 2012. Yes, you read correctly, in some way, shape or form, the Earth (or at least a large portion of humans on the planet) will cease to exist. Stop planning your careers, don't bother buying a house, and be sure to spend the last years of your life doing something you always wanted to do but never had the time. Now you have the time, four years of time, to enjoy yourselves before… the end.

So what is all this crazy talk? We've all heard these doomsday predictions before, we're still here, and the planet is still here, why is 2012 so important? Well, the Mayan calendar stops at the end of the year 2012, churning up all sorts of religious, scientific, astrological and historic reasons why this calendar foretells the end of life as we know it. The Mayan Prophecy is gaining strength and appears to be worrying people in all areas of society. Forget Nostradamus, forget the Y2K bug, forget the credit crunch, this event is predicted to be huge and many wholeheartedly believe this is going to happen for real. Planet X could even be making a comeback.

The Mayan Calendar
So what is the Mayan Calendar? The calendar was constructed by an advanced civilization called the Mayans around 250-900 AD. Evidence for the Maya empire stretches around most parts of the southern states of Mexico and reaches down to the current geological locations of Guatemala, Belize, El Salvador and some of Honduras. The people living in Mayan society exhibited very advanced written skills and had an amazing ability when constructing cities and urban planning. The Mayans are probably most famous for their pyramids and other intricate and grand buildings. The people of Maya had a huge impact on Central American culture, not just within their civilization, but with other indigenous populations in the region. Significant numbers of Mayans still live today, continuing their age-old traditions.
The Mayans used many different calendars and viewed time as a meshing of spiritual cycles. While the calendars had practical uses, such as social, agricultural, commercial and administrative tasks, there was a very heavy religious element. Each day had a patron spirit, signifying that each day had specific use. This contrasts greatly with our modern Gregorian calendar which primarily sets the administrative, social and economic dates.

Most of the Mayan calendars were short. The Tzolk'in calendar lasted for 260 days and the Haab' approximated the solar year of 365 days. The Mayans then combined both the Tzolk'in and the Haab' to form the "Calendar Round", a cycle lasting 52 Haab's (around 52 years, or the approximate length of a generation). Within the Calendar Round were the trecena (13 day cycle) and the veintena (20 day cycle). Obviously, this system would only be of use when considering the 18,980 unique days over the course of 52 years. In addition to these systems, the ayans also had the "Venus Cycle". Being keen and highly accurate astronomers they formed a calendar based on the location of Venus in the night sky. It's also possible they did the same with the other planets in the Solar System.

Using the Calendar Round is great if you simply wanted to remember the date of your birthday or significant religious periods, but what about recording history? There was no way to record a date older than 52 years.

The Mayans had a solution. Using an innovative method, they were able to expand on the 52 year Calendar Round. Up to this point, the Mayan Calendar may have sounded a little archaic – after all, it was possibly based on religious belief, the menstrual cycle, mathematical calculations using the numbers 13 and 20 as the base units and a heavy mix of astrological myth. The only principal correlation with the modern calendar is the Haab' that recognised there were 365 days in one solar year (it's not clear whether the Mayans accounted for leap years). The answer to a longer calendar could be found in the "Long Count", a calendar lasting 5126 years.
I'm personally very impressed with this dating system. For starters, it is numerically predictable and it can accurately pinpoint historical dates. However, it depends on a base unit of 20 (where modern calendars use a base unit of 10). So how does this work?

The base year for the Mayan Long Count starts at "0.0.0.0.0". Each zero goes from 0-19 and each represent a tally of Mayan days. So, for example, the first day in the Long Count is denoted as 0.0.0.0.1. On the 19th day we'll have 0.0.0.0.19, on the 20th day it goes up one level and we'll have 0.0.0.1.0. This count continues until 0.0.1.0.0 (about one year), 0.1.0.0.0 (about 20 years) and 1.0.0.0.0 (about 400 years). Therefore, if I pick an arbitrary date of 2.10.12.7.1, this represents the Mayan date of approximately 1012 years, 7 months and 1 day.
This is all very interesting, but what has this got to do with the end of the world? The Mayan Prophecy is wholly based on the assumption that something bad is going to happen when the Mayan Long Count calendar runs out. Experts are divided as to when the Long Count ends, but as the Maya used the numbers of 13 and 20 at the root of their numerical systems, the last day could occur on 13.0.0.0.0. When does this happen? Well, 13.0.0.0.0 represents 5126 years and the Long Count started on 0.0.0.0.0, which corresponds to the modern date of August 11th 3114 BC. Have you seen the problem yet? The Mayan Long Count ends 5126 years later on December 21st, 2012.

When something ends (even something as innocent as an ancient calendar), people seem to think up the most extreme possibilities for the end of civilization as we know it. A brief scan of the internet will pull up the most popular to some very weird ways that we will, with little logical thought, be wiped off the face of the planet. Archaeologists and mythologists on the other hand believe that the Mayans predicted an age of enlightenment when 13.0.0.0.0 comes around; there isn't actually much evidence to suggest doomsday will strike. If anything, the Mayans predict a religious miracle, not anything sinister.

Myths are abound and seem to be fuelling movie storylines. It looks like the new Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull is even based around the Mayan myth that 13 crystal skulls can save humanity from certain doom. This myth says that if the 13 ancient skulls are not brought together at the right time, the Earth will be knocked off its axis. This might be a great plotline for blockbuster movies, but it also highlights the hype that can be stirred, lighting up religious, scientific and not-so-scientific ideas that the world is doomed.

Some of the most popular space-based threats to the Earth and mankind focus on Planet X wiping most life off the planet, meteorite impacts, black holes, killer solar flares, Gamma Ray Bursts from star systems, a rapid ice age and a polar (magnetic) shift. There is so much evidence against these things happening in 2012, it's shocking just how much of a following they have generated. Each of the above "threats" needs their own devoted article as to why there is no hard evidence to support the hype.
But the fact remains, the Mayan Doomsday Prophecy is purely based on a calendar which we believe hasn't been designed to calculate dates beyond 2012. Mayan archaeo-astronomers are even in debate as to whether the Long Count is designed to be reset to 0.0.0.0.0 after 13.0.0.0.0, or whether the calendar simply continues to 20.0.0.0.0 (approximately 8000 AD) and then reset.




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Scientifically, if anything goes on in 2012, it will more than likely have to do with Solar Flares.

Take a look at this.

http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/dr-michio-kakuthe-physicist-who-should-have-a-tv-show.html


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That's what I'm hoping to prevent That and other's trying to scam money from people due to hype based on misunderstanding.

While the movie looks like it'll be a good, action-packed, world-as-we-know-it destroying, blockbuster, it is not rooted in reality.


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I think Klaatu will show up with Gort to straighten things out and save the day!

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One little piece of advice for anyone looking for info on this. If they use the term MAYAN, ignore it. There is no such thing as a MAYAN. The correct term is MAYA no matter the circumstance. Anyone who is credible in the Maya culture would never use the term Mayan and can't stand the people who use it.


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All I know is that if the world is ending in 2 years, I'm not going to worry about driving a gas guzzler, recycling my trash, or using up water to water my lawn then.


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