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For all we know those picks may be used by our regime to draft more studs like Veikune or Robiske, so I'd rather get the "sure" thing.






Joker, C'mon man. That was not our current Regime. I had to stop reading thte rest of your post after that.




I didn't mean to imply that our current regime was the one that drafted them. The point I was trying to get across is that the 2nd round picks everyone seems to worry about giving up don't always turn out great.

So re-wording it, I guess I should have said, I'd rather take a chance on Luck being the real deal rather than hold onto 2nd round picks in the off-chance we'll get a stud (like LeSean McCoy) instead of a bum (like Robiskie).

This is of course implying that the price of moving up to get Luck would be our 2 1sts and a 2nd, which I have no idea if it will get it done or not.


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Do we pick 4th in each round? Or does that pick flip-flop by round due to record? Or does that flip-flop occur ONLY when there is a coin flip to decide the 1st round draft order?




This. I have no idea where we pick from rounds 3 on . . .

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Do we pick 4th in each round? Or does that pick flip-flop by round due to record? Or does that flip-flop occur ONLY when there is a coin flip to decide the 1st round draft order?




This. I have no idea where we pick from rounds 3 on . . .




Until the compensatory picks are awarded, but to answer the fist question.

Yes we do rotate our picks with the TB. (Oops I though the Redkins)

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Do we pick 4th in each round? Or does that pick flip-flop by round due to record? Or does that flip-flop occur ONLY when there is a coin flip to decide the 1st round draft order?




Teams with identical records (except playoff teams...unless two teams with identical records lose in the same round of the playoffs) flip-flop their draft positions every other round. Of course compensatory picks for lost Free Agents are added at the END of each draft round...so the exact #s can not be determined until then...but without compensatory picks Rounds 2 and 3 will look like the following:

Round 2:
33. St Louis Rams
34. Indianapolis Colts
35. Minnesota Vikings
36. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
37. Cleveland Browns
38. Jacksonville Jaguars
39. Washington Redskins
40. Buffalo Bills
41. Miami Dolphins (coin flip 1)
42. Carolina Panthers (coin flip 1)
43. Seattle Seahawks (coin flip 2)
44. Kansas City Chiefs (coin flip 2)
45. Chicago Bears
46. San Diego Chargers
47. New England Patriots (from Oakland)
48. New York Jets
49. Philadelphia Eagles
50. Dallas Cowboys
51. Philadelphia Eagles (from Arizona)
52. Tennessee Titans
53. Cincinnati Bengals
54. Detroit Lions
55. Atlanta Falcons
56. Pittsburgh Steelers
57-64 depends on playoffs.

Round 3:
65. Indianapolis Colts
66. St. Louis Rams
67. Minnesota Vikings
68. Cleveland Browns
69. Tampa Bay Buccaneers
70. Washington Redskins
71. Jacksonville Jaguars
72. Chicago Bears (from Carolina) (coin flip 1)
73. Miami Dolphins (coin flip 1)
74. Buffalo Bills
75. Kansas City Chiefs (coin flip 2)
76. Seattle Seahawks (coin flip 2)
77. Arizona Cardinals
78. Dallas Cowboys
79. Philadelphia Eagles
80. New York Jets
81. Oakland Raiders
82. San Diego Chargers
83. Chicago Bears
84. Tennessee Titans
85. Cincinnati Bengals
86. Atlanta Falcons
87. Detroit Lions
88. Pittsburgh Steelers
89-96 depends on playoffs.

So our top 3 round picks are looking like #4, #22 (both locked) and then #37 and #68 depending on compensatory picks.


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Compensatory picks are only added on to the end of rounds 3-7. So the first three rounds should look like that.

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Yeah you're right. I thought I remembered comp picks being rounds 2-7 but indeed it's 3-7.

So yeah the order I put up there for the first 3 rounds should be completely correct.


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Just to remind people my research shows that this is what we have to look forward to (exclusive of Compensatory picks)


http://www.draftinsiders.com/node/35

NFL Draft Traded Picks
.Updated - Oct 20, 2011

NFL Trading Period opened August 4 thru Oct. 18, 2011 - 4pm est
NFL Trade Free Agency Period opened August 5, 2011
Period opened after new Collective bargaining agreement that expired March 3, 2011. Free Agency period usually goes March thru mid July.

NFL Draft 2012 Traded Picks

1st Round
Cleveland from Atlanta (2011 draft trade)
New England from New Orleans (2011 draft trade)
Cincinnati from Oakland (QB Carson Palmer)

2nd Round
New England from Oakland (2011 draft trade)
Philadelphia #2 from Arizona (QB Kevin Kolb)

3rd Round
Chicago from Carolina (TE Greg Olsen)
Raiders surrender pick for QB Terrelle Pryor (Supplemental 2011 NFL Draft)

4th Round
Washington from Oakland (QB Jason Campbell)
Cleveland from Atlanta (2011 draft trade)
Philadelphia from Tampa Bay (2011 draft trade)
Buffalo from Baltimore (WR Lee Evans)

5th Round
Cincinnati from New England (WR Chad Ochocinco)

6th Round
Cleveland from Denver (QB Brady Quinn)
Philadelphia from New England (LB Tracy White)
Washington from Minnesota (QB Donovan McNabb)
New Orleans - conditional pick from Washington (OT Jammal Brown if he plays in 90% of the their offensive plays in 2011 or gets voted to the Pro Bowl.)
Denver from St Louis (WR Brandon Lloyd) Pick could escalate to a #5 pick with higher production.

7th Round
Minnesota from Cleveland (DE Jayme Mitchell)
Kansas City from New England (S Jarrad Page)
New England from Philadelphia (LB Tracy White trade)
Minnesota from New England (WR Randy Moss trade)
St. Louis – conditional pick from Cleveland (OL John Greco - if he starts one game in 2011)
Seattle from Oakland (LB Aaron Curry)
NY Jets from Houston (WR Derrick Mason)

Conditional Selections
Minnesota has a conditional pick from NY Giants (QB Sage Rosenfels playing time)
Buffalo has a conditional pick from Seattle (RB Marshawn Lynch)
Detroit has a conditional late-round pick from Seattle (OT Tyler Polumbus)
Detroit will forfeit a 2012 draft pick for tampering (#6 if the Lions make the playoffs or a #7 if they don’t)
New Orleans has an undisclosed pick from Miami (RB Reggie Bush)
New Orleans from Miami (RB Reggie Bush)
Green Bay from NY Jets (OG Caleb Schauderlaff)
Green Bay from Tennessee (FB Quinn Johnson)
NY Jets from Jacksonville (S Dwight Lowery)

OK.. So lets see here now...

WE have:

Round One: 2 picks ours and Atlanta's first round pick (draft trade)

Round Two: 1 pick ours

Round Three: 1 pick ours

Round Four: 2 picks ours and Atlanta's 4th round pick (draft trade)

Round Five: 1 pick ours

Round Six: 2 picks ours and Denvers 6th round pick (Brady Quinn)

Round Seven: Maybe one pick.. One pick traded to Minnesota (Jayme Mitchell) and the other pick traded to St Louis IF Greco starts a game with Cleveland which he hasn't yet.. otherwise No picks..


LATE NOTE: Greco did NOT start a game this year so we do NOT owe STL a 7th rounder. Please amend the 7th Round as: 1 pick ours


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I'm confused... how did we conditionally trade away our 7th rounder twice, and how do we still have one left? What would have happened had Greco started a game for us?

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Fair question... my understanding is that we had two 7th rounders. We traded one of them for Jayme Mitchell straight up and the other 7th rounder was a conditional if Greco starts ONE game for the Browns. Since Greco did NOT start a game we owe STL nothing.


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No, we didn't have 2 7ths and still don't have one (maybe we get a comp pick late)....the Greco pick would have been automatically a 6th since we ran out of 7ths....it was a conditional 7th...so you can trade it away without having one...I guess we were (ehm "make") sure that Greco would not start a game


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Hmmph. After much re-reading I'm confuzzled too LOL..

Leave it at this: maybe we have one, maybe not. We'll see about compensatory picks.


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As far as I see it we traded our 7th away for Mitchel...not sure where we had a second 7th, so...as far as I understand we don't have a 7th this draft unless we get awarded a comp pick (even if we don't qualify, we have a good chance since we pick in the top 5 and comp picks have to be 32 or so and if not enough get awareded they get filled from the top of the draft order...that's how we got Hagg last draft)


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It is also my understanding that we do NOT have a 7th round pick this year.

Rd 1 - 2 picks
Rd 2 - 1 pick
Rd 3 - 1 pick
Rd 4 - 2 picks
Rd 5 - 1 pick
Rd 6 - 2 picks
Rd 7 - 0 picks

pending compensatory picks.


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New Oakland GM is going to be really bored....no picks in the first 4 rounds and not much to show for it


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They used 3 of those 4 picks on different QBs too (Palmer - 1st, Pryor - 3rd, Campbell - 4th). That's kinda nuts.


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Campbell and Pryor were the work of Davis who was a nut. Palmer was obviously Jackson, who is also a nut.

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Campbell and Pryor were the work of Davis who was a nut. Palmer was obviously Jackson, who is also a nut.




Palmer was the worst of them all....the guy doesn't care and is washed up, a pretty bad combination. Throw in how much they paid to get him.....wow. For the sake of their fans, I'm glad they got a real GM in there now


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I agree that Palmer is washed up, but I think he does care. He just didn't care about playing for the Bengals.

Either way it was an idiotic trade.

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