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'Mock Draft 4.0: Mingo could be elite pass rusher Browns have been waiting for'

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'2013 NFL Mock Draft: Going back to Barkevious Mingo at No. 6 for the Browns'

By Chris Fedor, Special to cleveland.com

March 29, 2013 at 4:57 PM, updated March 29, 2013 at 5:25 PM

The NFL draft is less than one month away. The anticipation is building. Only a few big Pro Day workouts remain (running back Eddie Lacy on April 11 and wide receiver Keenan Allen on April 9). Free agency has helped some of the teams in the Top 10, like the Browns and Eagles, fill needs. Some teams like the Lions, Raiders and Ravens lost players, creating more holes than expected.

Private workouts and interviews will start soon. The movement over the last month has created a bit more clarity, and I think it is finally safe to start writing some picks in ink as opposed to erasable marker.

Here is the latest Mock Draft. This is version 4.0

1. Kansas City Chiefs – Luke Joeckel, Offensive Tackle, Texas A&M

Kansas City has floated out interest in West Virginia quarterback Geno Smith recently. I smell smoke but no fire. The Chiefs have their quarterback. It's Alex Smith. Now they need to make sure he is comfortable. That starts with protecting him. With Eric Winston released and Branden Albert playing 2013 on the franchise tag, Kansas City will take a lineman here. The only real mystery is which one? Even though Central Michigan's Eric Fisher has risen up draft boards since his performance at the Senior Bowl, Joeckel is the more polished player and is too good to pass up.

2. Jacksonville Jaguars – Dion Jordan, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker, Oregon

The Jaguars remain one of the toughest teams to figure out. They have a new head coach (Gus Bradley) and a new general manager (David Caldwell). They could easily take Geno Smith and complete the overhaul trifecta. However, having the first pick of the second round gives them flexibility and they could target a QB like Matt Barkley or Tyler Wilson at the top of the second round if they don't feel comfortable with incumbent starter Blaine Gabbert. The Jags finished dead last in sacks last year. Jordan's athleticism, length and versatility will make him an attractive, unique cornerstone piece for the new-look Jacksonville defense.

3. Oakland Raiders – Geno Smith, Quarterback, West Virginia

The Raiders have football's worst defensive line. Desmond Bryant inked with the Browns, Tommy Kelly was just released and Richard Seymour continues to float out there in free agency. Defensive tackle Shariff Floyd from Florida could get a lot of attention at this spot. But the fortunes of a downtrodden franchise don't change with defensive tackles. They do with a quarterback. Carson Palmer is 33 and is not the long-term solution. Erratic and inaccurate Terrelle Pryor isn't either. Smith needs to work on his footwork but he has the tools to be a franchise quarterback. The Raiders need a new attitude. Smith would bring a swagger back to Oakland and spark a once-proud franchise that has turned into a punch line.

(Note: A possible trade of QB Matt Flynn from the Seahawks to the Raiders had not been completed at time of publication.)

4. Philadelphia Eagles – Dee Milliner, Cornerback, Alabama

Many things have changed for the Philadelphia Eagles this offseason. They've added double-digit players in free agency. They have a new head coach (Chip Kelly). And they are bringing a new system to Philly. Offensive line will be in consideration with this pick given that many of the offensive issues started there a season ago. However, the return of Jason Peters from injury as well as Todd Herremans makes addressing the offensive line less of a priority. The secondary needs major work. The Eagles cut Nnamdi Asomugha and allowed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to walk in free agency. Philly replaced that duo with Bradley Fletcher and Cary Williams. That can't possibly be considered an upgrade, especially in a division that boasts Hakeem Nicks, Victor Cruz, Dez Bryant, Miles Austin and Pierre Garcon.

5. Detroit Lions – Eric Fisher, Offensive Tackle, Central Michigan

Two words come to mind with this pick. Matthew Stafford. He is the Lions' most important player and their playoff hopes rest on his right arm. Two years ago, he led the Lions to the playoffs, throwing for 41 touchdowns. He has the goods. What he doesn't have is any chance of succeeding unless the Lions upgrade the offensive line. Their starting offensive tackles are gone. Jeff Backus retired and Gosder Cherilus signed with the Indianapolis Colts. The Lions need some help on the defensive line after seeing their top two defensive ends (Kyle Vanden Bosch and Cliff Avril) depart. They also need lots of help in the secondary. But nothing in Detroit is more important than protecting Stafford. Nothing.

6. Cleveland Browns – Barkevious Mingo, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker, LSU

The Browns' offseason goal was finding players to fit their new "hybrid" 3-4 defense. They are still missing an elite pass-rusher. Paul Kruger is solid, but he's not special. I've heard all the criticisms about Barkevious Mingo. He needs to add weight (just 241 lbs). He's never played outside linebacker. He doesn't have elite production (38 tackles, 8.5 tackles for loss and 4.5 sacks in 2012). And he needs to get stronger. All those concerns are fair but he also has raw ability that can't be taught. And it's not always about production. San Francisco's Aldon Smith had just three sacks his final season in college, Clay Matthews had 5.5 in his entire career and Jason Pierre-Paul had just 6.5. Those three guys are doing well for themselves. With Mingo's length, athleticism and explosive first step, the former LSU Tiger has the ability to be a dominant pass-rusher at the next level if used properly.

My previous mock draft picks for the Browns:

• Mock Draft 1.0 - Barkevious Mingo

• Mock Draft 2.0 - Jarvis Jones

• Mock Draft 3.0 - Dion Jordan

7. Arizona Cardinals – Lane Johnson, Offensive Tackle, Oklahoma

The Cardinals have a ton of needs. Most of them on the offensive side of the ball. Arizona needs to upgrade at quarterback. They need a running back since Ryan Williams can't stay healthy. And the offensive line allowed the most sacks in the NFL, so that's a dire need. Other than that, they are well on their way. There is a giant drop-off in talent after the top three offensive tackles in this year's draft so if the Cards want to improve the position they have to do it here. Even though Johnson is the third-best left tackle in the draft, the former quarterback turned offensive lineman is very athletic and his best football is in front of him. Now, if they could just find a quarterback not named Brian Hoyer, Drew Stanton or John Skelton, the Cards could be on their way to climbing out of the NFC West basement.

8. Buffalo Bills – Chance Warmack, Offensive Guard, Alabama

The Bills biggest need is quarterback. But there is no signal caller available in this scenario worth the eighth pick. Having lost Andy Levitre, the rock of the offensive line, to the Titans in free agency, Buffalo needs a piece to help their future quarterback while opening up holes for the dynamic running back duo of C.J. Spiller and Fred Jackson. A guard hasn't gone in the Top 10 since 1997 when Chris Naeole was taken by New Orleans. But Warmack is the second-best player in this draft and a dominant force.

9. New York Jets – Ezekial "Ziggy" Ansah, Defensive End/Outside Linebacker, BYU

The Jets will be tempted to take Tennessee wide receiver Cordarrelle Patterson. They need a playmaker to help whoever the quarterback is going to be. However, they used a second round pick on Stephen Hill last year, and Santonio Holmes is coming back off injury. Plus, the position is deep, and they can find a pass-catcher beyond the first round. A player like Ziggy can't be found in the second round or beyond in this year's draft. The former track athlete and basketball player is still learning the game but he has tremendous athleticism and intriguing tools. Ansah would give the Jets the potential pass-rushing force they have been missing.

10. Tennessee Titans – Sharrif Floyd, Defensive Tackle, Florida

Floyd will be in consideration as high as No. 2 with Jacksonville. However, a number of teams in the Top 10 are set at defensive tackle. The Eagles have last year's first round pick Fletcher Cox and newly signed Isaac Sopoaga. The Lions have Ndamukong Suh and Nick Fairley. The Browns have Phil Taylor and Ahtyba Rubin. The Bills have Marcell Dareus and Kyle Williams. It could lead to a fall for Floyd but it stops here. Signing guard Andy Levitre allows the Titans to focus on improving their lackluster pass rush. Floyd is a penetrating defensive tackle who rattles the offenses' nerves. He would help out every level of the Tennessee defense.

11. San Diego – Jonathan Cooper, Offensive Guard, North Carolina

The Chargers need to make quarterback Philip Rivers more comfortable by giving him more time to throw. His best offensive lineman, Louis Vasquez, was lost this offseason to a division rival. With Joeckel, Fisher and Johnson off the board, the Chargers turn to the interior. Cooper, a four-year starter for the Tar Heels, has been on the rise since his outstanding senior season in Chapel Hill where he cleared the way for running back Gio Bernard (1,228 rushing yards) to emerge as one of the best backs in college football.

12. Miami – Xavier Rhodes, Cornerback, Florida State

After adding big-time offensive weapon Mike Wallace in free agency and re-signing Brian Hartline, the Dolphins are set at wide receiver. Miami now needs to focus on replacing the departed Sean Smith at cornerback. There are rumblings that they could add Brent Grimes. That would be a great pickup. They still need to beef up the secondary. Xavier Rhodes is tall, long and physical. With questions about his speed answered in Indy, Rhodes solidified his standing as the second-best cornerback in the draft.

13. Tampa Bay – Star Lotuleilei, Defensive Tackle, Utah

Tampa Bay spent draft picks reinventing their defense last season, and the makeover has continued this offseason with the addition of Pro Bowl safety Dashon Goldson. Holes on the defensive line remain – one of the biggest left by departed tackle Roy Miller. Lotuleilei's medical results need to check out as a heart condition forced him to miss the combine, but Star's good combination of strength and quickness mean he can't be blocked one-on-one. Teaming him up with Gerald McCoy on the interior could cause opponents a lot of problems for a number of years.

14. Carolina Panthers – Sheldon Richardson, Defensive Tackle, Missouri

Last year's Defensive Rookie of the Year, Luke Kuechly, gives the Panthers one defensive cornerstone. Now, he needs help. Adding a versatile player like Richardson gives the Panthers a defensive line interior presence they've lacked for years. Richardson is quick and athletic and can single-handedly disrupt an offensive plan.

15. New Orleans Saints – Jarvis Jones, Outside Linebacker, Georgia

The Saints were one of the NFL's more disappointing team. New Orleans had the league's third-best scoring offense (28.8 points per game) led by Drew Brees. Defense is the issue in the bayou. Jones is a medical risk and has had a disappointing offseason. However, his production can't be ignored. The SEC Defensive Player of the Year led the nation in sacks (14.5), tackles for loss (24.5) and forced fumbles (7). He was a difference maker for Georgia and with his explosive first step, he'll be the same at the next level.

16. St. Louis Rams – Tavon Austin, Wide Receiver, West Virginia

The Rams decided to stand by former first overall pick Sam Bradford. To continue their ascent up the standings, they must give Bradford. The former Mountaineer made plays all over the field during his time in Morgantown. Austin was a weapon in the passing game, he lined up in the backfield and he made numerous game-changing plays on special teams. Austin plays like he has a rocket attached to his butt. He is one of the most explosive players in this year's draft and he can change the scoreboard every time he touches the pigskin.

17. Pittsburgh Steelers – Cordarrelle Patterson, Wide Receiver, Tennessee

The Steelers lost Mike Wallace this offseason. Patterson would be a great way to soften that blow. The former JUCO star only played one year at Tennessee but showed playmaker ability. He was the only college to score four different ways (rushing, receiving, punt return and kick return). He needs to develop as a receiver but he is incredibly athletic and explosive. The draft's best receiver would return a dangerous element to the Steelers offense lost when Wallace went to Miami.

18. Dallas Cowboys – Sylvester Williams, Defensive Tackle, North Carolina

The Cowboys said goodbye this offseason to overrated defensive coordinator Rob Ryan. Monte Kiffin's arrival means a new defensive scheme. The switch to the 4-3 requires finding a new defensive tackle. Williams looked like a first-round talent at times – like the Virgina game. At other times – jike against Miami – Sly left you wanting more. Inconsistency kept him from reaching his potential in college. Perhaps that will change in the NFL.

19. New York Giants – Tyler Eifert, Tight End, Notre Dame

I have learned the last few years that Eli Manning likes to throw to his tight end. With Martellus Bennett leaving the Big Apple for the Windy City, the G-Men have to find a new security blanket for their quarterback. Eifert follows Anthony Fasano, John Carlson and Kyle Rudolph who all have come from South Bend to make an impact in the NFL. Eifert is a better prospect than all of them. His versatility, reliable hands and athleticism will give the Giants another weapon in their explosive passing game.

20. Chicago Bears - Alec Ogletree, Inside Linebacker, Georgia

Every move the Bears have made the last few years has been to help quarterback Jay Cutler. Brandon Marshall was brought in last year to give Chicago a big-play receiver. The team's new head coach was the best offensive mind Canada had to offer. Tight end Martellus Bennett can create mismatches all over the field. And Jermon Bushrod will be asked to anchor the offensive line's left side. It's time to help the defense. The team decided to move forward without Brian Urlacher, creating a huge hole in the middle of the defense. Ogletree comes with baggage -- off-the-field concerns and questions about his maturity. But his talent speaks for itself. The former safety is one of the most gifted defensive players in the draft.

21. Cincinnati Bengals- Kenny Vaccaro, Safety, Texas

The Bengals have been quiet this offseason. Armed with the most money to spend, Cincinnati resisted the urge to go nuts in free agency and will continue to build through the draft. They're building on a recent record of draft success. The Bengals defense has promise with cornerstone pieces like defensive ends Michael Johnson and Carlos Dunlap, defensive tackle Geno Atkins and cornerback Leon Hall, but they are missing an anchor at the back end. Kenny Vaccaro can play wide receivers in the slot, he can cover tight ends and he come up in the box and support the run. He's the kind of safety that teams are looking for now.

22. St. Louis Rams – Menelik Watson, Offensive Tackle, Florida State

St. Louis lured Jake Long away from Miami this offseason, getting one of the game's best left tackles – when Long is healthy. Watson, a former basketball player, soccer player and boxer, will take a few years to develop enough to play in the NFL. But the talent is there. Watson has the size and athleticism to be a left tackle as long as he is coached up and brought along slowly. He would be an excellent insurance policy for the injury-prone Long and, in a few years, step into his spot on the St. Louis offensive line.

23. Minnesota Vikings – Keenan Allen, Wide Receiver, California

Quarterback Christian Ponder must start playing like a first-round pick. The Vikings have used a lot of resources to help him. Last year, they chose offensive tackle Matt Kalil in the first round. This offseason, they re-signed right tackle Phil Loadholt to a long-term deal and added wide receiver Greg Jennings. Jennings gives Ponder one new weapon, but the Vikings can't pass up the opportunity to also add a talented, productive and reliable receiver like Keenan Allen.

24. Indianapolis Colts – Desmond Trufant, Cornerback, Washington

The Colts addressed many needs in free agency this offseason, but they still need help at cornerback. Darius Butler isn't a No. 1 option, and Greg Toler has injury concerns. Trufant has been on the rise since the end of the college season. The Husky's outstanding instincts, awareness speed make him tough to beat one-on-one. He would give the Colts a future shutdown cornerback.

5. Minnesota Vikings – Manti Te'o, Inside Linebacker, Notre Dame

The Vikings tend to really like Notre Dame players. They drafted Kyle Rudolph two years ago and used last year's first-round pick on safety Harrison Smith. Given their need at middle linebacker, Te'o makes a lot of sense. The Heisman Trophy runner-up is one of the most polarizing players in this year's draft. He's not the most athletic and he's not the fastest linebacker but he has a great work ethic, is incredibly instinctive and would become the leader of the Minnesota defense.

26. Green Bay Packers – Bjoern Werner, Defensive End, Florida State

As much as the Packers need help at running back, offense is not the problem. It's the defense. Werner is being overshadowed by some other pass-rushers in this year's class because he doesn't have great speed or athleticism. However, he has good instincts for the position and would bring a ready-made game to the Packers. The ACC Defensive Player of the Year would make things easier for Clay Matthews.

27. Houston Texans – DeAndre Hopkins, Wide Receiver, Clemson

The Texans have been trying to find a wide receiver to complement Andre Johnson for a few years now. Hopkins was overshadowed at the beginning of the season by his teammate and future first round pick, Sammy Watkins, but Nuke emerged. Hopkins has strong, reliable hands and attacks the ball. He is the most polished receiver in this year's class and would be perfect playing opposite Johnson.

28. Denver Broncos – Datone Jones, Defensive End, UCLA

The fax fiasco that led to pass rusher Elvis Dumervil being released created a big hole on the Broncos defensive line. I really have no clue what Datone Jones' best position is in the NFL. But I don't care either. I would love to have him on my team. He can play inside or outside. Jones has strength and power and understands how to use his hands to stun and overpower anyone that stands in his way of making a play.

29. New England Patriots – Justin Hunter, Wide Receiver, Tennessee

The Patriots added Danny Amendola this offseason to replace Wes Welker. However, Amendola does his best work lined up inside the formation. Hunter would give the Pats an explosive playmaker on the outside. Even though he had a down year in 2012, Hunter reminded everyone at the Scouting Combine and his Pro Day why he was once looked at as a future star. Hunter has great size, speed and athleticism. Every time the Volunteers got in a clutch situation, quarterback Tyler Bray turned to the reliable pass-catcher, and he moved the chains or found his way to the end zone. He has the tools to be this year's receiver class gem and would create fireworks in Foxboro with Tom Brady.

30. Atlanta Falcons – Blidi Wreh-Wilson, Cornerback, Connecticut

The Falcons secondary wasn't great to begin with and it has gotten worse thanks to free agency. Dunta Robinson went to Kansas City and it looks unlikely that Brent Grimes will return. Playing in a division with tall pass-catchers like Marques Colston, Jimmy Graham, Vincent Jackson and Mike Williams, Atlanta needs to focus on finding players who can combat that kind of size. Blidi Wreh-Wilson isn't the best cornerback available at this spot but he is one of the few with the size, length and athleticism to handle bigger receivers on the outside.

31. San Francisco 49ers – Jonathan Cyprien, Safety, Florida International

The NFC Champs are loaded with draft picks and could go a number of different ways. Trading up is a possibility. Safety Dashon Goldson left one bay to go to another (Tampa), leaving the Niners with a hole in their secondary. Cyprien plays a bit like Goldson. He is aggressive, never shies away from contact and would be a fit in San Francisco.

32. Baltimore Ravens - Kevin Minter, Inside Linebacker, LSU

The Ravens' list of losses this offseason is long. But it starts up the middle. Ray Lewis retired, and Dannell Ellerbe took his talents to South Beach. Ogletree and Te'o are both off the board, so the Ravens take the next best option to quarterback their new-faced defense. Minter is a bit undersized but he is tough, reliable and instinctive. Sounds like someone else when they were coming into the draft. Someone named Ray Lewis.

Chris Fedor's NFL Draft Top Fives:

• Guards

• Offensive tackles

• Tight ends

• Wide receivers

• Running backs

• Quarterbacks


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With a name like Barkevious, (Bark), where else would he play?

Where is the Dawgtalkers mock draft?,

There is NO way that my favorite, (for now), D.J. Fluker is available even outside of the top 25, let alone after the entire 1st round. (Offensive tackle, Alablama)


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A tweener / project at #6? I hope not. I'd rather go Ansah, if that's what were looking for - unless Ansah's really 28 yo, as was reported somewhere. Mingo sounds a lot like Wimbley to me. Browns need to go CB in the 1st round unless we find a way into the 2nd round, imo.

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Obviously this guy is a Mingo Pimp...ergo Mock 01 he had Mingo...then he sways back to Mingo cause some Mocks give him the opportunity to have him move up as some move back. Example Floyd at 10 n Star at 13...just a dawg who really likes Mingo as a personal choice

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As long as we're doing media mocks, here's Grossi's most recent mock:

Mock draft 5.0: A top 10 shocker does not dash the Browns' hopes at No. 6

Mar 29, 2013

By Tony Grossi
ESPN-Cleveland

Mock draft 5.0: As we head into the final four weeks to the draft, the destinations of the top quarterbacks remain a fluid mystery. In truth, the order of the top quarterbacks is still uncertain.

West Virginia’s Geno Smith is the consensus top choice, but his landing spot changes by the week. USC’s Matt Barkley was considered No. 2, but here we have him falling out of the first round entirely.

The shocker of this mock is Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib not only cracking the first round but zooming all the way to Buffalo at No. 8, where he would rejoin his college coach.

For the third week in a row, we see Alabama’s Dee Milliner falling to the Browns at No. 6. They would like that.

1. Kansas City: Luke Joeckel, OT, Texas A&M.

Would be first tackle taken first overall since Jake Long in 2008.

2. Jacksonville: Dion Jordan, DE-LB, Oregon.

Big boost to league’s worst pass rush in 2012.

3. Oakland: Geno Smith, QB, West Virginia.

A parting with Carson Palmer seems inevitable.

4. Philadelphia: Shariff Floyd, DT, Florida.

My third different player in three weeks for Eagles.

5. Detroit: Ezekiel “Ziggy” Ansah, DE-LB, Brigham Young.

Lions coach Jim Schwartz lost two pass rushers since 2012 ended.

6. Cleveland: Dee Milliner, CB, Alabama.

Free agency lull makes this choice a must.

7. Arizona: Eric Fisher, OT, Central Michigan.

Pretty sure Cardinals don’t take a QB in first round.

8. Buffalo: Ryan Nassib, QB, Syracuse.

New coach Doug Marrone settles on his college QB in first draft shocker.

9. N.Y. Jets: Barkevious Mingo, DE-LB, Louisiana State.

Can this pick save Rex Ryan from the coach’s guillotine?

10. Tennessee: Star Lotulelei, DT, Utah.

As long as his health checks out, this looks like the pick.

11. San Diego: Chance Warmack, OG, Alabama.

He should be graded higher than best available tackle.

12. Miami: Lane Johnson, OT, Oklahoma.

Dolphins sweat out Chargers’ pick and are pleased.

13. Tampa Bay: Bjoern Werner, DE, Florida State.

I keep vacillating between Florida State teammates.

14. Carolina: Sheldon Richardson, DT, Missouri.

This has become a strong consensus for a middle of the round pick.

15. New Orleans: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia.

Aced out of Mingo, they stay in SEC for a pass rusher.

16. St. Louis: Tavon Austin, WR, West Virginia.

In dome on turf is ideal for this dynamic slot receiver.

17. Pittsburgh: Kenny Vaccaro, SS, Texas.

Troy Polamalu’s imminent successor.

18. Dallas: Jonathan Cooper, OG, North Carolina.

Cowboys can’t ignore offensive line again.

19. N.Y. Giants: Datone Jones, DE, UCLA.

Best available pass rusher, per usual for G-men.

20. Chicago: Alec Ogletree, LB, Georgia.

Bears waste no time in replacing Brian Urlacher.

21. Cincinnati: D.J. Fluker, OT, Alabama.

Best available offensive lineman for the Bengals.

22. St. Louis: Matt Elam, SS, Florida.

Safety is not a position of strength for the Rams.

23. Minnesota: Cordarrelle Patterson, WR, Tennessee.

Adrian Peterson needs some help on offense.

24. Indianapolis: Johnathan Hankins, DT, Ohio State.

Free agent spending enabled them to draft for depth.

25. Minnesota: Sylvester Williams, DT, North Carolina.

They have to use one of their picks on a defensive tackle.

26. Green Bay: Damontre Moore, DE, Texas A&M.

A situational pass rusher is a priority.

27. Houston: Keenan Allen, WR, California.

One of the locks of first round is Texans choosing a WR.

28. Denver: Jesse Williams, DT, Alabama.

Broncos probably replace pass rusher Elvis Dumervil in free agency.

29. New England: Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State.

Bill Belichick takes another stab at a cornerback.

30. Atlanta: Desmond Trufant, CB, Washington.

Signing of DE Osi Umenyiora frees up pick for a CB.

31. San Francisco: Tyler Eifert, TE, Notre Dame.

49ers need to replace departed Delanie Walker.

32. Baltimore: Kevin Minter, LB, Louisiana State.

Ray Lewis gone. Dannell Ellerbe gone. Hello, Minter.

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Maybe I am in the minority here, but I really, really like Kiki Mingo. I think he has the talent to be a great LB in the NFL. I think his weight takes him out of the running for DE but still has great skills.

I don't think the Browns will draft him at #6, but if they did, I would easily embrace it. I love his speed, athleticism, and college tape. His best game, IMO, was against Clemson in their Bowl Game.... it can be seen here.

His biggest knock is that he didn't produce the numbers many thought going into the season. But I'll take a page from the PD and quote the following:

" And it's not always about production. San Francisco's Aldon Smith had just three sacks his final season in college, Clay Matthews had 5.5 in his entire career and Jason Pierre-Paul had just 6.5. Those three guys are doing well for themselves. "

Of all the possible DE/LBs we could take to play in our 3-4, I'd prefer Mingo over all of them. I know I'm crazy. I just don't think you can teach the raw talent Mingo possesses. I don't think his frame will ever allow him to gain enough weight to calm the critics but like him in coverage and pass rushing abilities. He's slowly creeping back up inside the top 10 in some mock drafts.

I wonder when LSU's Pro Day is if it hasn't happened already.

Someone will end up getting a great player. Just don't think it will be CLE.


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You don't want a tweener or project but want to go with Ansah? That's seems a bit curious.

Don't get me wrong I like Ansah alot... just behind Mingo. But still, this guy has been playing football a few years...that spews "project" as much as anyone.

But a larger comment beyond Ansah....who cares if anyone is a "project" at 6? Isn't the main goal to get a long term starter? and if that takes more time, so what.

Project.
Reach.

My two most hated words when it comes to the draft.


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...and all three of those guys were over 250# their last year in college.

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And Mingo hovers 240-245lbs. It is that big of a difference at OLB. ? Possibly 5 pounds?
Maybe so, just think his raw talent outweighs being a few pounds short of the norm as a 3-4 OLB. You can't teach what he has.


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Mingo's my favorite OLB prospect in the entire draft. I think he'll be close to Von Miller/Aldon Smith as a pass rusher and he's also good in coverage.

Ansah's too raw and doesn't have enough explosion off the snap for my taste. The likelihood of Jordan not being a good pass rusher (due to lack of strength, flexibility, technique) is too high for me. Jones isn't athletic enough to be anything more than a complementary pass rusher IMO. Werner's better as a 4-3 DE.

With this said, I'd still prefer the Browns drafting Jordan instead of Mingo (if he's available), as Mingo's skillset is too close to Kruger/Sheard's. And Horton's one of the only DCs in the league who I think is creative enough to use Jordan as a chess piece of sorts, which is what will make him most effective IMO.

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You may be in the minority but your not alone Memphis. I too have watched every tape on every prospect. Mingo stands out above all the passrushers, His natural movement is just phenominal. He really does play like Ware. He may be light but he's strong for his size. He bullrushed Fluker pretty well I know that.

I think his biggest problem is his lack of upperbody strength not lower. He is always relentless in his run game but he allows a lot of bust arm tackles. If he can hone that and be utilized correctly the kid will be the top OLB in the draft I put my name on it. I think he's better in every facet of his game and about equal in tackling to Aldon Smith.

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And Mingo hovers 240-245lbs. It is that big of a difference at OLB. ? Possibly 5 pounds?
Maybe so, just think his raw talent outweighs being a few pounds short of the norm as a 3-4 OLB. You can't teach what he has.




Actually, Mingo started before the combine that he played around 230. It's the same thing with Trevardo Williams... Not saying they can't play at a bigger size, just makes it more of a projection.

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Other than athleticism I can't find anything about Mingo I like

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Maybe if we trade our pick and select him with a later draft choice. IMO Mingo isn't worth a 6th overall pick.

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Agree on all fronts. I also like your mock on the other thread.


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Why did you pull an article from mid February?


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it substantiated my statement that what you see on youtube and what you saw on TV last year was him playing at 230#. History shows if he wants to be successful at 3-4 OLB he'll need to be able to play ~25# heavier.

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If we select a pass rusher at #6 I would rather go with Dion Jordan or Ziggy Ansah as opposed to a guy who came out and said he took plays off and had questionable effort and lacked major production in college. How is he going to get by NFL offensive tackles if SEC College tackles were preventing him from getting sacks on a consistent basis?



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That was Montgomery that said he took games off, not Mingo. Careful with guilt-by-association.

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How do I make a statement without having to "reply"? Thank you.

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How do I make a statement without having to "reply"? Thank you.




Click "reply" on the person with the last post, its mostly understood that your just making a general reply then (unless you quote the person), or if you want you can add "j/c" before you post what you want to say to make it more clear. "j/c" means "just clicking".


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