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#782624 - 04/27/13 08:21 PM Dont agree with not taking a QB
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For as much as some complained about how bad this QB class is, its only getting worse next year in terms of a potential browns QB. as we saw with our smaller QBs you have to have some kind of size to play in the AFC, looking at next years guys i counted 1 over 6'2 225. ONE. sure you have guys who are fun to watch like Miller, Manziel, Mariota and Boyd because they can run and throw but out of those 4 Mariotas probably the only one with the arm strength to play in Cleveland and he's only 6'4 195! Boyd's got a strong arm but the dudes 6'0 tops, very likley 5'10-5'11.

When you look at next years QB FA class its just as bad, the only guy IMO who would beat out Campbell or Weeden for a top 2 spot on the roster is Cutler and he's not hitting the market.

i think its clear We are going to build everyspot but QB next off season again, build a complete team then look for our QB 2 years down the road someone ready to come on to a great team and lead them.

if we were to need to take a QB the only guys i would be happy with are Mariota if that kid can put on 20 pounds at least this college season, or Braxton Miller because he's the most physically built out of the bunch at 6'2 225, but he's too much of a runner IMO

if we are taking QB be ready for the Cam Newton offense folks not the Derek Anderson offense after this year

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#782625 - 04/27/13 08:22 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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For as much as some complained about how bad this QB class is, its only getting worse next year in terms of a potential browns QB. as we saw with our smaller QBs you have to have some kind of size to play in the AFC, looking at next years guys i counted 1 over 6'2 225. ONE. sure you have guys who are fun to watch like Miller, Manziel, Mariota and Boyd because they can run and throw but out of those 4 Mariotas probably the only one with the arm strength to play in Cleveland and he's only 6'4 195! Boyd's got a strong arm but the dudes 6'0 tops, very likley 5'10-5'11.

When you look at next years QB FA class its just as bad, the only guy IMO who would beat out Campbell or Weeden for a top 2 spot on the roster is Cutler and he's not hitting the market.

i think its clear We are going to build everyspot but QB next off season again, build a complete team then look for our QB 2 years down the road someone ready to come on to a great team and lead them.

if we were to need to take a QB the only guys i would be happy with are Mariota if that kid can put on 20 pounds at least this college season, or Braxton Miller because he's the most physically built out of the bunch at 6'2 225, but he's too much of a runner IMO

if we are taking QB be ready for the Cam Newton offense folks not the Derek Anderson offense after this year




Logan Thomas fall of the place of the Earth or what?
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#782626 - 04/27/13 08:25 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: CHSDawg]
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For as much as some complained about how bad this QB class is, its only getting worse next year in terms of a potential browns QB. as we saw with our smaller QBs you have to have some kind of size to play in the AFC, looking at next years guys i counted 1 over 6'2 225. ONE. sure you have guys who are fun to watch like Miller, Manziel, Mariota and Boyd because they can run and throw but out of those 4 Mariotas probably the only one with the arm strength to play in Cleveland and he's only 6'4 195! Boyd's got a strong arm but the dudes 6'0 tops, very likley 5'10-5'11.

When you look at next years QB FA class its just as bad, the only guy IMO who would beat out Campbell or Weeden for a top 2 spot on the roster is Cutler and he's not hitting the market.

i think its clear We are going to build everyspot but QB next off season again, build a complete team then look for our QB 2 years down the road someone ready to come on to a great team and lead them.

if we were to need to take a QB the only guys i would be happy with are Mariota if that kid can put on 20 pounds at least this college season, or Braxton Miller because he's the most physically built out of the bunch at 6'2 225, but he's too much of a runner IMO

if we are taking QB be ready for the Cam Newton offense folks not the Derek Anderson offense after this year




Logan Thomas fall of the place of the Earth or what?




yeah he did, he went back to school for a reason, got a 6th round draft grade. highly inaccurate and bad decision maker

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#782627 - 04/27/13 09:01 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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this was a historically bad QB class...

this is probably the one move (or non-move) that i actually agreed with the front office.

and did someone bring up logan thomas as a possible draft pick next year????

holy moly, that kid can't complete a forward pass...

someone will emerge, and if (or when) weeden fails this year, we'll be in position to take them with the #1 pick.
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#782628 - 04/27/13 09:04 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: kj85]
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this was a historically bad QB class...

this is probably the one move (or non-move) that i actually agreed with the front office.

and did someone bring up logan thomas as a possible draft pick next year????

holy moly, that kid can't complete a forward pass...

someone will emerge, and if (or when) weeden fails this year, we'll be in position to take them with the #1 pick.




its not about emerging, its about the lack of size and arm strength from alot of the top QB names next year. you can emerge all you want, still have to have pretty good size and arm strength to play in the AFC North and this offense

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#782629 - 04/27/13 09:35 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I am soooooooooo glad we did not take a QB this year ...
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#782630 - 04/27/13 11:49 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I'm not going to debate next years draft just yet, but there are a whole host of QBs out there at 6'3" 220 or better that could break out next year....
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#782631 - 04/28/13 12:12 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: PastorMarc]
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it's the only bright spot of this draft. I am not a fan of weeden at all but there was no one we could draft that would even present much of a challenge for his job in this years draft.
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#782632 - 04/28/13 12:35 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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You can really never tell for sure about a future draft class. Last year people told me that this year would be a great QB draft. It didn't turn out that way. Every QB had significant flaws.

I can see people wanting to draft a developmental guy, but how often do those guys work out? Besides, we already have a 3rd QB that I like as well as anyone in this draft.
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#782633 - 04/28/13 06:06 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I'd say you are in the minority. I am very happy we didn't cloud things up by selecting a QB.

I am very happy to head in to next season with Weeden, Campbell, and Lewis.

I understand some of you dislike Weeden. Cool. What isn't cool is to toss him out before he is given a full shot at reaching his ceiling.

We'll know most about Weeden by game 4-5 and almost all by game 8. By that point we will see that strides have been made or not. If not, then we will know what we have to do.

And contrary to what you think, next years QB class looks to be a very solid class.
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#782634 - 04/28/13 07:23 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
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Last year people told me that this year would be a great QB draft.




Yep. A polished Landry Jones and a seasoned Barkley were assumed to be sure bets. What a difference a year makes!
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#782635 - 04/28/13 07:53 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Razorthorns]
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it's the only bright spot of this draft. I am not a fan of weeden at all but there was no one we could draft that would even present much of a challenge for his job in this years draft.




I can think of several that could have challenged him for the job. Manuel, Glennon, Landry Jones, and Dysert are all 6-3 or better with strong arms. All of them went to better positions than the Browns. Manuel will be the starting QB in Buffalo. Glennon is in Tampa Bay and will probably sit a year before starting. Landry Jones goes to Putzburgh and will be the rapist's heir apparent. Zac Dysert goes to Denver to become Peyton Manning's heir apparent.

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#782636 - 04/28/13 08:00 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: anarchy2day]
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I am not a fan of Weeden, but I would rather have him than any of the guys you listed. I would have been okay if we had taken a late-round flyer on Dysert, but the rest do nothing for me other than upset my stomach.

I would have preferred going after Alex Smith to any qb in this draft. This draft was terrible for QBs and simply bad overall.

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#782637 - 04/28/13 08:08 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I'm trying to figure out if your not happy because we didn't draft a QB or that we didn't draft the QB you wanted. Which one did you want them to pick?
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#782638 - 04/28/13 08:11 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Versatile Dog]
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I don't know if I would say it was bad, but it didn't offer many options if you weren't looking O or D lineman, and maybe corner.

There weren't a lot of elite corners for sure, but there were plenty of guys who can make a team and be pretty solid players.

No first round running backs. Has that ever happened? I am sure it probably has, but I can't remember a time.
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#782639 - 04/28/13 08:19 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Ballpeen]
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#782640 - 04/28/13 08:26 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Versatile Dog]
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This draft was .... simply bad overall.



Hence my statement that this Draft was "bland" (with the obvious exception of the OLine). It certainly was lacking in star power...
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#782641 - 04/28/13 08:27 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: dawglover05]
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Ahhh, I should have remembered. I am starting to slip.

Thanks!
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#782642 - 04/28/13 08:27 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Ballpeen]
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#782643 - 04/28/13 09:02 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: dawglover05]
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I too am happy we did not take a QB. I think Brandon should be given a fair shot to run this new system which he should be more comfortable in. I think last years coaching staff had this kid going in different directions at the same time with a system he never saw before. At least we are building the rest of the team and have picks to make trades if need be.

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#782644 - 04/28/13 09:08 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I am completely ecstatic that we were smart enough to not waste a pick on a QB.

Backup QB's are a dime a dozen, and we have a few on our roster that could be slipped into that role already if they don't pan out as Franchise QB's.
So, why burn a pick if the QB isn't going to be a Franchise QB? Get other players and sign a few QB's as UDFA's... especially with how horribly weak this Draft class was at QB.
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#782645 - 04/28/13 09:11 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Homewood Dog]
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Baddog used the term "Shurmur Fog" in explaining how difficult it would be to evaluate Weeden from last year's outings. The offense was inexplicable. I think we are going to see a different, much more accomplished QB this year in Weeden under Norv Turner's guidance. They are going to scheme to his strengths, instead of the opposite.

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#782646 - 04/28/13 09:13 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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I'm thrilled we didn't take one - no QB in this draft class got me excited... even in the late rounds I wasn't all that excited about taking anyone (and since we traded away all our mid-range picks I guess the Browns weren't that excited about them either)
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#782647 - 04/28/13 09:14 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: BuckeyeDawg5]
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#782648 - 04/28/13 09:24 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: anarchy2day]
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I can think of several that could have challenged him for the job. Manuel, Glennon, Landry Jones, and Dysert are all 6-3 or better with strong arms. All of them went to better positions than the Browns. Manuel will be the starting QB in Buffalo. Glennon is in Tampa Bay and will probably sit a year before starting. Landry Jones goes to Putzburgh and will be the rapist's heir apparent. Zac Dysert goes to Denver to become Peyton Manning's heir apparent.




Manuel- mistake if he's the starter, not even close to ready
Glennon- man, i hope you are right about him in Tampa. Give me Freeman now, and we have our QB.
Jones- again i hope you are right that Pitt makes him the next QB. We WILL OWN them. He's terrible under pressure.
Dysert- he's just a third stringer at best, there heir apparent was drafted last year.

I just don't see anything here that would have helped the Browns. My pick for QB actually went to the raiders, and Wilson wouldn't have been ready for a few years either.......

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#782649 - 04/28/13 09:49 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Dave]
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Baddog used the term "Shurmur Fog" in explaining how difficult it would be to evaluate Weeden from last year's outings. The offense was inexplicable. I think we are going to see a different, much more accomplished QB this year in Weeden under Norv Turner's guidance. They are going to scheme to his strengths, instead of the opposite.




I'm hopeful that Weeden shows improvement this year. One of the frustrations with Shurmur's offense was how he forced players into his scheme rather use their strengths. Weeden in the West Coast was a square peg - round hole scenario. Last year most of us coined Weeden DA 2.0. If Anderson can pull off hefty performances in Chud's offense, surely Weeden could do the same under Norv Turner. We'll see this year. If QB is a dire need after this season, at least Lombardi set up the opportunity to sell the house for a top tier prospect in next year's draft.

Oh, yeah, despite not being a fan of Weeden, I'm so greatful we didn't waste a pick on a QB this year!

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#782650 - 04/28/13 10:05 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Versatile Dog]
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I am not a fan of Weeden, but I would rather have him than any of the guys you listed.




I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.

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#782651 - 04/28/13 10:23 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: bigf00t]
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Manuel- mistake if he's the starter, not even close to ready




Over what they have? Kolb. I think he has a legit chance of starting coming out of camp.

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Glennon- man, i hope you are right about him in Tampa. Give me Freeman now, and we have our QB.




We'd win 5 games again.

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Jones- again i hope you are right that Pitt makes him the next QB. We WILL OWN them. He's terrible under pressure.




He's got time to sit and learn like Aaron Rodgers did and in a few years, he'll be ready to go can carving up Browns defenses.

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Dysert- he's just a third stringer at best, there heir apparent was drafted last year.




They'll be competing and I think that Dysert actually has a bigger arm than Osweiler. Funny though that they took tall, big QBs in back-to-back drafts.

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I just don't see anything here that would have helped the Browns. My pick for QB actually went to the raiders, and Wilson wouldn't have been ready for a few years either.......




I liked Tyler Wilson also. The only QB that I felt wouldn't be an automatic upgrade was Geno Smith and he could probably have done the job.

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#782652 - 04/28/13 10:30 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: anarchy2day]
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I have no qualms in not taking a QB. We already have projects. Three of them, Weeden, Cambell and Lewis are all still projects IMO.

Besides, there are reports saying they were interested in Cards backup Hoyer, so something still may happen.

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#782653 - 04/28/13 10:30 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: anarchy2day]
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Regardless of whether or not Weeden is the guy, can the media please stop with the "the new regime doesn't like Weeden because they haven't said anything nice about him"?

They had plenty of opportunities to replace him with a QB. Maybe these drafted QB's aren't Andrew Luck, but if they hated Weeden, they would have had no problem drafting Manuel, or Smith, or whomever.

Maybe Lombardi didn't like the pick of Weeden at the time. Maybe his opinion changed during the year? Maybe Chud and Norv feel differently? Maybe their 2 opinions superseded his? Either way, I think they like him enough to let him have this year to prove himself. And that's actually liking him quite a bit.

I think we should all agree that he has this year and no more than that, to prove himself.

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#782654 - 04/28/13 11:08 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
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Regardless of whether or not Weeden is the guy, can the media please stop with the "the new regime doesn't like Weeden because they haven't said anything nice about him"?

They had plenty of opportunities to replace him with a QB. Maybe these drafted QB's aren't Andrew Luck, but if they hated Weeden, they would have had no problem drafting Manuel, or Smith, or whomever.

Maybe Lombardi didn't like the pick of Weeden at the time. Maybe his opinion changed during the year? Maybe Chud and Norv feel differently? Maybe their 2 opinions superseded his? Either way, I think they like him enough to let him have this year to prove himself. And that's actually liking him quite a bit.

I think we should all agree that he has this year and no more than that, to prove himself.




Great point! While I did not think this new FO wanted to marry theirselves to a 1st round draft pick I thought they would take a QB somewhere in the draft.

If they thought he was a waste of a roster spot they would have taken a QB somewhere in the draft.

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#782655 - 04/28/13 11:18 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Day of the Dawg]
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Regardless of whether or not Weeden is the guy, can the media please stop with the "the new regime doesn't like Weeden because they haven't said anything nice about him"?

They had plenty of opportunities to replace him with a QB. Maybe these drafted QB's aren't Andrew Luck, but if they hated Weeden, they would have had no problem drafting Manuel, or Smith, or whomever.

Maybe Lombardi didn't like the pick of Weeden at the time. Maybe his opinion changed during the year? Maybe Chud and Norv feel differently? Maybe their 2 opinions superseded his? Either way, I think they like him enough to let him have this year to prove himself. And that's actually liking him quite a bit.

I think we should all agree that he has this year and no more than that, to prove himself.




Great point! While I did not think this new FO wanted to marry theirselves to a 1st round draft pick I thought they would take a QB somewhere in the draft.

If they thought he was a waste of a roster spot they would have taken a QB somewhere in the draft.




Yeah, I feel like Chud and Norv both see pretty much at the same eye-level, and I could see them telling Banner that they can work with this guy. Maybe he isn't the long term answer, but I think they feel like his good qualities fit a lot of the high points of this new offense. Big downfield throws, leaning on the run game, etc..

Gordon has a year under his belt, Little could come on better next year. The fact that Norv has come to town tells me the run game will improve. They added Bess via trade who could end up being an unbelievably good fit. Most of all they didn't add a legitimate threat to Weeden's job. Campbell is a backup and will take his job only if Weeden fails.

Basically, he has been handed every opportunity to solidify this job. If he plays bad, there are no excuses and I have no problem with them cutting the cord and drafting someone. I want an A or an F from Weeden.

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#782656 - 04/28/13 11:20 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Day of the Dawg]
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If they thought he was a waste of a roster spot they would have taken a QB somewhere in the draft.




Yes, but not only did they bring in Jason, but there are reports oozing about them being interested in Mallet and also the Card backup Hoyer, and who all knows who else they have been looking around at off people's roster - so this doesn't assure Weeden is in their best graces.

Weeden is on a short leash, as it should be with the way he performed last year. He's been handed the starting jobs, not earning them and has put in minimal work to show minimal improvement. This staff will at least have ZERO qualms with benching him and getting rid of him if he continues where he left off last season.

All JMO.

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#782657 - 04/28/13 11:23 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
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I want an A or an F from Weeden.






Exactly. No question marks. I really hope by the halfway mark of the season, he's either on fire or Campbell is starting.
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#782658 - 04/28/13 11:34 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
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I want an A or an F from Weeden.




Not sure I agree ... regardless of his age, its his 2nd year, and his first in a new system. A solid B would represent big progress, imo. The lights aren't going to come on all at once. Also, what's available at QB in the 2014 draft will decide whether Weeden gets jettisoned after a merely "solid" season. OTOH, a great prospect might replace him even if he plays lights out.

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#782659 - 04/28/13 11:36 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Dave]
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I want an A or an F from Weeden.




Not sure I agree ... regardless of his age, its his 2nd year, and his first in a new system. A solid B would represent big progress, imo. The lights aren't going to come on all at once. Also, what's available at QB in the 2014 draft will decide whether Weeden gets jettisoned after a merely "solid" season. OTOH, a great prospect might replace him even if he plays lights out.




You know what, you're right. I'd take a B. That to me would say that maybe he has a shot at being the guy for the future.

Although a Weeden B to us might as well be an A, for everything we've seen.

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#782660 - 04/28/13 11:38 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
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LOL, we wouldn't know an "A" at QB if it bit us in the butt.

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#782661 - 04/28/13 11:58 AM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: Spergon FTWynn]
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I would love to see Weeden step up and show that he can be a legitimate player. We could still draft a "future" QB next year, maybe even a 1st rounder ..... and let him sit and learn for a year. If Weeden were to improve a great deal, then we could make a decision ...... do we keep both .... or do we keep one and trade the other? What a great "problem" that would be for us to have.
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#782662 - 04/28/13 12:10 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: YTownBrownsFan]
HewDawg Offline

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I would love to see Weeden step up and show that he can be a legitimate player. We could still draft a "future" QB next year, maybe even a 1st rounder ..... and let him sit and learn for a year. If Weeden were to improve a great deal, then we could make a decision ...... do we keep both .... or do we keep one and trade the other? What a great "problem" that would be for us to have.




Would Browns fans be able to have a 1st rounder sit though? I honestly don't think thats a possibility in Cleveland; however, I do agree with you. It would be an amazing situation to have the future of the franchise being groomed for once. I'd like to have our own Rodgers, without the rush and pressure to perform immediately under fire.

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#782663 - 04/28/13 12:14 PM Re: Dont agree with not taking a QB [Re: HewDawg]
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Or even have a Mallett/Cassell situation like the Patriots do. Have a young, talented guy around long enough so when/if he does have to play he is not a deer in a headlights.

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