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The argument was, why take the WR when we didn't have a QB to throw to him..
I always figured a great WR could make an average QB (look) better, but that's just me..
What if you had a pro bowl WR, a Pro Bowl TE, and 2 Pro Bowl OL? That would probably make your QB look awesome.
Only if you had a Top 5 RB...
Oh, draft pick wise doesn't count? Dang..
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The argument was, why take the WR when we didn't have a QB to throw to him..
I always figured a great WR could make an average QB (look) better, but that's just me..
What if you had a pro bowl WR, a Pro Bowl TE, and 2 Pro Bowl OL? That would probably make your QB look awesome.
Exactly Steve. Receivers have never made the QB better. They can make them look worse, but can't make them better.
I myself think it would be foolish to spend a high pick on a WR this year. I might consider one with one of our 4th rounders.
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At the Moment:
Clowney
Robinson
Watkins
Evans
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Clowney
Robinson
Watkins
Evans
I see your board....at least top 3....I could include Watkins on mine since he is maybe 4-5-6 on mine.
Evans.....not sure. I think he rode Johnny Footballs coat tails. Yep, he's a big guy who can catch the jump ball, and he did.
Hard to say.....I might not make him a 2nd rounder. I am not saying that to call you foolish....you aren't. You are a friend, but no way could I call him top 4......but i am sure you and others can tell me why Johnny Football isn't either......all's cool bro. 
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I've always thought this is a fun parallel..
You think Johnny Football made Mike Evans, and I think Mike Evans made Johnny Football....I think it's somewhat crazy if both people had them both listed top 5.
I similarly don't like Derek Carr much, but love Davante Adams.
On a generic teams board, I wouldn't have Evans at #4 here - I think he's a great fit for the Browns though, because we already have two tall matchup problems at WR. WR is an attacking position, so you should try to create similar matchup problems with all your guys.
I don't understand teams that say "well, we have Vincent Jackson, so we need to compliment him with Tavon Austin" - I'd much rather complement Jackson with a guy like Mike Evans -- make another teams smaller CB line up against either Jackson/Evans and you're going to have a matchup problem all game.
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1. Johnny Manziel
2. Teddy Bridgewater
3. Mike Evans
4. Sammy Watkins
I flip flop between Manziel/Bridgewater at 1/2 and Evans/Watkins at 3/4 though, depending on my mood at the time.
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I will say this. I find a way to add Davante Adams to this team. He's a guy I've focused on and he's a real good football player. He creates separation with his body better than any WR in this draft. He's got a little Michael Irvin in him. Last second seperation wise. Great hands. I like him and Abbredaris quite a bit. Abbredaris reminds me of Derrick Mason. Like how is this dude always open. Are you kidding me?!?
This draft is the deepest WR draft I can remember in 30 years. Guys who will be very good in the NFL going well into the 2nd and into the back end of the 3rd. That's why when people pair the Browns and Watkins together I really don't get it. I'd probably rather draft Dennard at 4 than Watkins. But that's because I believe Dennard compares favorably with Haden. Haden is in his final year so there's that. And nickle 5DB formations are 50% of defensive snaps. And do we need Watkins at Z? Really? We need two good corners from this draft. Not one. And Dennard is good. Really good.
But I'm with you on Adams. I don't feel the Lavonte David thing with him (First Team All-Pro 2013). But I do feel like he has "it" and will be an incredibly reliable WR in the NFL. Very productive. 10 year career and a probowl or two guy depending on his QB.
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My Top 4 for the Browns:
1. Johnny Manziel
2. Blake Bortles
3. Jadeveon Clowney
4. Darqueze Dennard
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1a. Derek Carr
1b. Johnny Manziel
I don't need to go past that.
I've completely changed my tune on Carr. The more I watch, the more I think he and Manziel are the two franchise guys in this Draft.
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Carr really is easy to love. He throws the ball better than everyone else. But I can't watch that USC game and feel anything but a really bad feeling.
Manziel or bust for me. I trade to #2 and give up 26 if it was me at GM.
If forced to do it I draft Bortles and give Hoyer 3 games. Tell Bortles to get ready for Week 5.
If Hoyer surprises he gets more time. If he looks inept with the Browns at 1-2 or 0-3 then the rookie starts. I do that with Manziel too btw.
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The argument was, why take the WR when we didn't have a QB to throw to him..
I always figured a great WR could make an average QB (look) better, but that's just me..
What if you had a pro bowl WR, a Pro Bowl TE, and 2 Pro Bowl OL? That would probably make your QB look awesome.
Exactly Steve. Receivers have never made the QB better. They can make them look worse, but can't make them better.
I myself think it would be foolish to spend a high pick on a WR this year. I might consider one with one of our 4th rounders.
Randy Moss and Chris Carter didn't make Culpepper look better? Kurt Warner wasn't a great QB except for when he had Holt/Bruce with Rams or Fitz with the Cards. Did you notice the drop in numbers when Cutler left Marshall in Denver, then the numbers rised again when Marshall came to Chicago. Do I even have to mention how much better Gannon looked with Rice/Brown with the Raiders vs the rest of his career?
Let's not kid ourselves. A WR needs someone to get him the ball, but the QB needs someone to get open AND catch the ball. Wasn't it Brady's wife who said something like "My husband can't throw the ball AND catch it"?
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Bortles is the one guy that'd make me sick if we took him. I really hope he's not even on our Draft board at all.
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The argument was, why take the WR when we didn't have a QB to throw to him..
I always figured a great WR could make an average QB (look) better, but that's just me..
What if you had a pro bowl WR, a Pro Bowl TE, and 2 Pro Bowl OL? That would probably make your QB look awesome.
What you did there. I see it.
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I similarly don't like Derek Carr much, but love Davante Adams.
Adams was by far the better of two decent receivers on Fresno State's squad. He drops too many passes, though, and his penchant for giving up yardage to try to make the big play is going to bite him in the butt in the pros.
Isaiah Burse is horrible until the ball is in his hands. Terrible, lazy route runner who doesn't help the QB out when he's extending the play.
Josh Harper is good, but he missed the last three games of the season with an injury.
Still, all three of those guys topped 1,000 yards and Adams was second in the NCAA with over 1,700 yards.
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A shocker would be if they figure out a way to get both Manziel and Evans.
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What if you had a pro bowl WR, a Pro Bowl TE, and 2 Pro Bowl OL? That would probably make your QB look awesome.
Exactly Steve. Receivers have never made the QB better. They can make them look worse, but can't make them better.
I'd argue that first round picks Winslow and Edwards, made Derrick Anderson (a 6th round pick btw) a Pro-Bowler.
And reaching for a QB in the first round ... even if he's not worthy of the position, just for the sake of getting a QB because you can ... doesn't get you anywhere either. As evidenced by Weeden and your above example.
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Checking in for this topic one more time before draft day tomorrow....
My top 4...
1. Manziel
2. Mack
3. Clowney
4. Evans
How I think the Browns top 4 looks..
1. Clowney
2. Mack
3. Robinson
4. Watkins
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my top 4
1. Clowney
2. Mack
3. Robinson
4. Dennard
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Top 4 :
1. Carr
2. Manziel
**Flip those two depending on my mood lol**
3. Clowney
4. Robinson
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Top 4 QBs (Round prediction)
1. Teddy Bridgewater (1)
2. Johnny Manziel (1)
3. Aaron Murray (3)
4. Blake Bortles (1-2)
Top 4 WRs (Where I would take them)
1. Mike Evans (1)
2. Sammy Watkins (1)
3. Odell Beckham Jr. (1)
4. Jordan Matthews (2)
Top 4 LBs
1. Khalil Mack (1)
2. CJ Mosley (1-2)
3. Chris Borland (2)
4. Max Bollough (3-4)
Top 4 CBs
1. Justin Gilbert (1)
2. Darqueze Dennard (1)
3. Kyle Fuller (1-2)
4. Keith McGill (2-3)
Top 4 RBs
1. Tre Mason (3)
2. Carlos Hyde (3)
3. Charles Sims (3-4)
4. Bishop Sankey (3-4)
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Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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1. Teddy Bridgewater (1)
2. Johnny Manziel (1)
3. Aaron Murray (3)
4. Blake Bortles (1-2)
This is the QB mentality on this board I cannot understand.
You think Murray is the better QB than Bortles, but you'd draft Bortles 1-2 rounds earlier? Why? Because that's what the talking heads have said they're projected as?
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1. Teddy Bridgewater (1)
2. Johnny Manziel (1)
3. Aaron Murray (3)
4. Blake Bortles (1-2)
This is the QB mentality on this board I cannot understand.
You think Murray is the better QB than Bortles, but you'd draft Bortles 1-2 rounds earlier? Why? Because that's what the talking heads have said they're projected as?
Basically QBs I put where I think they'll go. Other positions where I'd take them. My bad.
I know Hyde and Mason are probably ganna be gone before the 3rd, but I wouldn't take a RB before then. Even though I love Mason as a RB...
Bortles is ganna go in the first probably, But I like Murray better as a prospect, and we could easily get him in the top of the 3rd IMO.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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