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#896822 07/24/14 11:39 AM
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I mean Jim Brown days and earlier. I seem to remember a play called "the Cleveland Sweep" that we could even tell the defense (not just telegraph it) and they were pressed to beat us. It was our bread&butter play.

But I seem to remember that the key was pulling guards. Do we have the personnel to bring it back?

It's been so long that it may surprise a few people.

They need to practice it until they can do it in their sleep.


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USC had their version of it with OJ Simpson.. Student Body Left.. and Student Body Right


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When Eric Steinbach was still playing, we definitely could have done it, and I think that we actually did - particularly in 2010 with Peyton Hillis.


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I remember dump offs to Pruit in the flat that always seemed to get a first down.



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The play I'm referring to was hand-off to Brown not a pitch-out


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Wooten and Hickerson and 3 yards of pain.

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I think you can run a few sweeps today, but the game has changed. There is too much speed on defense.

But yeah, it was great watching Hickerson pull and us breaking off big runs.

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Moving the hashmarks in, eliminating the extremely wide side of the field on certain downs, probably had a lot to do with reducing the effectiveness of the "power sweep". Then there's the movement towards larger, less mobile OL-men (Hickerson's playing weight was 245!), and the increase in fast, athletic LB. The advent of the 3-4 has something to do with it, as does the elimination of the crackback block. Today, running plays have to be fast-developing quick-hitters, traps and counters, one-cut-and-go type runs in order to work.

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Good points Dave. I'd imagine in 30-40 years people will look back at the spread and option attacks as being outdated and ineffective as well. Things change and go in cycles.


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Some of its cyclical, some of its "evolution" - larger, faster players (partly due to better training, partly due to PEDs), and a big factor I forgot to mention was the integration of blacks into the NFL. Back in the early 60's when the Browns and the Packers were running sweeps over and through opponents, there were still teams that had yet to be integrated, or if they were it was only marginally. The integration of the NFL brought a lot more speed.

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Quote:

Moving the hashmarks in, eliminating the extremely wide side of the field on certain downs, probably had a lot to do with reducing the effectiveness of the "power sweep". Then there's the movement towards larger, less mobile OL-men (Hickerson's playing weight was 245!), and the increase in fast, athletic LB. The advent of the 3-4 has something to do with it, as does the elimination of the crackback block. Today, running plays have to be fast-developing quick-hitters, traps and counters, one-cut-and-go type runs in order to work.




All great points, and to be honest, I really hadn't thought about the effect of moving the hashmarks. That's an excellent point.

I think that we tend to pay attention to the "big" rules changes, like pass interference rules that have changed greatly over the years, (like pass interference) while ignoring other rules changes just because they don't "look" all that important in the larger scheme of things.


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