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NFL's top quarterback franchise? Historical countdown from No. 32 to 1

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n 2015, the NFL is a quarterback league. But which franchise has the strongest tradition at the position? We tried to answer this by identifying the top three signal-callers in each franchise's history, and then ranking each group from weakest trio to strongest. A few notes:

A) The three passers for each team are ordered how I rank them against each other.
B) Some teams' QB collections are like the "Jurassic Park" franchise -- only one stellar installment, with the latest looking awesome ... but not being around long enough yet for true perspective.
C) A few franchises employed legendary names -- like the Chiefs with Joe Montana -- but were dinged a smidge because those names became name brands in other locales.
D) EVERYTHING was considered, from stats to Super Bowls to tenures with specific teams.

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10) Browns: Otto Graham, Bernie Kosar, Frank Ryan

Graham, simply put, is in the ballpark of the best players to ever lace 'em up. If winning is your criteria, he's your guy. Graham led the Browns to championship game appearances in each of his 10 years, winning seven of them. Ryan, who led Cleveland to its last NFL title in 1964, edges out Brian Sipe. Ryan, who had a PhD in mathematics, racked up some numbers (sorry, couldn't resist), leading the league in touchdown passes twice. Kosar looked to be headed toward the Hall of Fame before crumbling offensive lines, his inability to stay healthy and a rapid decline derailed the oft-awkward-but-effective passer.

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That's fair for Cleveland.

It's a shame the Superbowl didn't exist 10 years earlier, other wise we would have our fair share of them.

Otto Graham is one of those names that I don't think gets enough respect when talking about historical greats at the QB position.

Without having clicked on the link I'm guessing Green Bay is #1

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10th place?

That's better than I would've expected.


Browns is the Browns

... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.

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*edit* -- never mind. no point in speculation when you can click the link.

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The bottom few teams are the expansion teams, so I can see why they aren't that high.

Thankfully we have our history....who the heck would be our top 3 of the "new" Browns?

Derek Anderson
Holcomb?
Garcia?
Couch?
Hoyer?

yikes, lol

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Originally Posted By: ScottPlayersFacemask
The bottom few teams are the expansion teams, so I can see why they aren't that high.

Thankfully we have our history....who the heck would be our top 3 of the "new" Browns?

Derek Anderson
Holcomb?
Garcia?
Couch?
Hoyer?

yikes, lol


Top 3 in new era Browns history, would still only be like 1% of the total of QBs we've had in the new era. rofl


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I actually agree with almost all of that list... amazing how many really mediocre to sub-mediocre QBs rank on their teams 3 best list.. really highlights how difficult it is (and always has been) to find good, consistent QB play.

As a side note, the picture of Sammy Baugh for the Skins is hilarious.. he looks like the deformed attacker from a horror movie.


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Just another reason to hate the Colts.

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OMG! That list is horrible.

Did this guy throw darts?

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2002 version of Kelly Holcomb.
2007 version of Derek Anderson.

and I guess the 2014 version of Brian Hoyer if we can only count the first nine games?

That's a pretty sad list compared to the majority of teams in the league...

Ugh.

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Sad thing is an argument could be made that talent wise Couch was in our top 5. He had crap around him until he got hurt so we'll never know for sure.

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I would put Sipe ahead of everyone but Otto.

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Thank you.

What?...Oh....never mind.... ooo


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Originally Posted By: DeputyDawg
Sad thing is an argument could be made that talent wise Couch was in our top 5. He had crap around him until he got hurt so we'll never know for sure.


So true.

Give him the offensive line from 2007.

Give him the running game from 2014.

And the 2013 versions of Gordon & Cameron as weapons.

Who knows where his ceiling would have been...

It's a shame that the front office absolutely refused to surround him with help.



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Best of the new Browns: Quarterbacks

Expansion bests: Sixteen seasons since the Browns returned as an expansion franchise after a three-year exile, we have seen one playoff team and two winning seasons – 10-6 in 2007 and 9-8 (counting a playoff loss) in 2002.

The next-best record has been 7-9 (twice). Twelve of the 16 seasons have resulted in 10 or more losses.

But this isn’t to belabor the doldrums of the Browns since 1999. This is to celebrate their best players.

We set out to rank the best Browns by position group.

Quarterback

Failure to find a consistent and productive quarterback – and develop him -- is the bane of the Browns expansion franchise, of course. Twenty-two quarterbacks have started a game for them since 1999. Twenty of them have losing records. One is at .500. Only one went through the Cleveland quarterback-eating machine with a winning record. That merits No. 1 on this list.

5. Jake Delhomme, 2010: A high ankle sprain in his first game limited his only season with the Browns to four starts, of which he won two, qualifying as the second-best win percentage among 22 starting quarterbacks since 1999. He spent most of his season driving his successor to work and trying to coach up young Colt McCoy. Thanks to the generosity of President Mike Holmgren, Delhomme hauled in about $8 million for his four game appearances. That was in addition to a $12.8 million guranteed payout that year from the Carolina Panthers, his former team. Cha-ching!

4. Kelly Holcomb, 2001-04: In the Browns’ only playoff appearance, he threw for 429 yards and three touchdowns in a losing effort in the snow against the Pittsburgh Steelers. The shockingly good outing earned him the starting job in 2003, whereupon Holcomb fell into line, got hurt, and lost six of his eight starts.

3. Derek Anderson, 2006-09: Tall and big-armed, he delivered a storybook season in 2007, winning 10 of 15 games and earning a Pro Bowl berth as an alternate. The out-of-the-blue performance earned contract extensions for himself, GM Phil Savage, coach Romeo Crennel and coordinator Rob Chudzinski. When the clock struck midnight, Anderson lost 10 of his last 16 games, was jeered after an injury, and ultimately left with one of the nastiest exit interviews – “They don’t deserve a winner!” he wrote of Browns fans in an email. His 16 career wins (v. 18 losses) are the second-most among expansion-era QBs.

2. Tim Couch, 1999-2003: The first overall pick of the new Browns, he suffered a poor supporting cast and repeated injuries while winning 22 games (v. 37 losses) in five years. Two of the victories were on final-play Hail Mary passes, making him the unofficial NFL career leader in this category. Arizona coach Bruce Arians, Couch’s position coach who also coached Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger and Andrew Luck, has said that Couch was “one of the toughest, best players” he’s ever coached.

1. Brian Hoyer, 2013-14: His 20 months with his hometown team was a ridiculous roller coaster ride that saw him: 1. rise from No. 3 to win his first two starts, 2. tear an ACL in his third start, 3. rehab the injury and stave off Johnny Manziel to win six of his first nine games to put the Browns in a first-place tie while the GM reportedly texted coaches during games to yank him, 4. lose three of his last four games and, 5. fail to receive a contract offer from the team – or a face-to-face interview with the GM. Ultimately, Hoyer’s 10-6 record as a starter – 9-6 if you eliminate the game in which he suffered the knee injury – is the best of the new Browns’ quarterbacks.

Honorable mention: None.

On a lighter note: Jeff Garcia’s one season of 2004 was perhaps the most eventful year of any of the 22 quarterbacks. He is the only quarterback to post a win in a season-opener. He completed a never-to-be-surpassed 99-yard pass play for a touchdown. And he registered a 0.00 passer rating in a game against the Dallas Cowboys before departing with three years left on his free agent contract.

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I would expect many of you to be dismayed to see JD's name here. I'm not, as I've always been a 'pimp' of his and believed he would do a fine job for us. But alas, that injury hampered his effectiveness...

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