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If the Browns do decide to move on from Kitchens, their list of Head Coaching Candidates should be very short if Dorsey is going stay on as GM

(Which I figure he gets another chance at choosing a HC even if im not a fan)

1. Jim Caldwell - Caldwell is an offensive minded coach. He has amassed a 60-52 Regular Season Record as an NFL Head Coach and 6 playoff appearances. He guided both the Colts and the hapless Detroit Lions to the playoffs twice in each tenure. He has been a QB Coach with the Colts, Ravens, and Dolphins.

He has worked his way up the ranks from college position coach, to coordinator, to NFL position coach, to OC, to Assistant Head Coach to Coach. Caldwell is VERY GOOD with QB, and I believe he could really help Mayfield a ton. Matt Stafford had some of his best years in Detroit when Caldwell was there. This guy should certainly be on our radar, and I'd love to have him here as a HC. The guy commands respect, runs the lockeroom, players like him, he is stern, but fair at the same time. He would be an overall asset to this organization.

Jim Caldwell deserves another shot as an NFL Head Coach and we would be very lucky to have him choose Cleveland as that place. He won't let us down, I promise. the guy is an overall great guy and a great coach, the team will be well coached under Caldwell.

2. Chuck Pagano is a defensive minded coach, and he was our secondary coach the last time the Browns made the playoffs(2001). Bruce Arians and Pagano first met while coaching together with the Browns in 2001. Bruce Arians has raved about how good of a coach Pagano is. Pagano has compiled a 53-43 Reg Season record as an NFL HC, and 6 playoff appearances. Pagano being the defensive minded coach he is would probably be fine with Dorsey picking his OC, so it seems like a good match.

Pagano has always fielded very well coached teams. He is a guy players respect, and much like Caldwell, he is stern, but fair. As with Caldwell,He won't take no lip from no one, but he will come to his players defense when they are being treated unfairly.

Pagano would be a fantastic choice as a head coach for this young Browns team.

To be frank i'd take either of these guys over McCarthy or any of the other big names out there. Both of these guys are HUNGRY to get back on the Head Coach train, they gotta a lot to prove, but they have track records of steady success which is exactly what this organization needs.

I am not saying we should totally discount looking at any of the big names, but i'd take Pagano or Caldwell over any of the college guys and that includes Meyer, Riley, and Rhule.

What type of offensive philosophy do each have? How adaptable is it to the players on the roster? More importantly, will they adapt it?

How about Both, Caldwell and Pagano, and an admin, to you know just stay on as a figurehead,

Browns need all the help they can get, Just give everybody a different, specific role and nobody gets overwhelmed. (As much)

More importantly, will these guys agree to keep good players already on the Browns, in leiu of bringing in guys they had a relationship with from some other NFL team,

That's Dorseys job. The HC can make suggestions, but its Dorseys roster to fill.

Caldwell is welcome to be our QB coach. More than that, no thanks.

Pagano would depend a lot on the OC (and rest of the offensive staff) he could bring with him and whether he'd want to switch to a 3-4 base. I'd rather not switch again.

Going forward, I'm really wanting a strong defensive minded head coach. Someone who can focus on the team, invoke discipline, and allow the OC to strictly focus on the offense and play calling, and nothing more.

I know this model isn't the popular trend anymore,as it was in years past, but after Freddie, I'm not a fan of head coaches calling their own plays.

Trouble in this model is finding a solid OC, who isn't looking to jump ship and be a HC.

Baker has had Hue/Haley, Freddie last year, and Freddie this year with Monken.

This SHOULD be the last time we changes coaches for a LONG time. I want someone that's not going to moving on in another year, making Baker have to yet again another offense. I would rather it be an offensive guy, where Baker and the offense can build cohesiveness and continue that for years to come.

Yea.. and after 7 games of mixed results.. Everyone will be calling to fire that coach and get somene else

Difference would be that the offense actually showed something to keep moving forward with

It is what it is .. mixed results in the NFL brings change .. It is a business after all ...

Where some fans get confused is by thinking with all of those billions of dollars involved in today's game, that it's still a sport.

If they pick one of those 2 boobs, it only proves ownership/management does not want to win.

Or it proves how eternally hopeless they are in any sort of talent evaluation.

Just save time and hire and fire him in the same day.

Plus, it could save time ...... I mean, think of it ..... "We are proud to introduce the next head coach of the Cleveland Browns, who we are now relieving of his duties ....."

Could anything be more Cleveland than that?

I don't know where all you guys have been this entire century,but I've been sorta paying attention.
I have come to the realization,that it doesn't matter who the Browns hire,who the Browns fire,who they sign,who that let go,it's going to turn out badly.
So keep Freddie,fire Freddie,it won't matter.

I know, we should let Goddell do our HC search.

The trouble is in finding a head coach that has the whole package. This means having systems and the structure in place that allows for players and coaches to be developed to replace those that leave for bigger money and better jobs.

This was one of the things that was flawed with the "Let's promote Freddie to HC because then there's no way he can be hired away" line of thinking. Offensive coordinators are replaceable. If your OC (or DC) is doing that good of a job over a period of multiple years, some other team is probably going to want to hire that person to be their head coach and there's nothing you can really do to stop it.

We might as well just accept it. If your head coach is good enough at his job, that system/scheme is still in place. You're still recruiting talent not just on the field, but in the coaching staff and beyond as well. See New England. Coaches come and go, I've lost count how many of them went on to be head coaches somewhere but that machine is still rolling. Do we even know who is calling plays on defense over there?

Maybe Dorsey needs to work backwards .. Find the DC and OC that he will commit his name to and then find a Head Coach that fells like he can steer That Ship ?

You'll have a very hard time finding a HC worth his salt to ever take that structure.

Each HC has systems they like to run. With that in mind they want to hire an OC and DC that run those systems. Forcing coordinators on them does not make that possible.

At this juncture not only does Dorsey need to hire a qualified candidate at HC in the event that Freddie is fired, but one whose offensive and defensive philosophies line up well with the talent we have assembled.

A big picture thought process will be needed here.

Maybe we should find some "REAL PLAYERS".. Players that DONT need motivated by speeches or hand holding and give it 100 percent no matter the coach or record.

Yeah, it's all the good players that suck.

Maybe if you give them a system that can produce they can give you production.

Im sure TJ Watt would manage somehow..Or a Clay Matthews..

Mmmmm hmmmm....

Matt Rhule at least needs to get an interview. I’ve always thought Ken Niumatalolo should get some NFL love, he seems to be a great leader. Matt Wells, who is now at Texas Tech, built Utah State into a pretty good program, I would take a look at him. Kyle Whittingham is a great coach at Utah. It might seem crazy but I would even look into Joe Brady the LSU offensive coordinator. I believe all of the above names are at least worth an interview. Innovation happens on the college level and these guys are all great leaders as well.

We all know the NFL names. They are obvious and everyone will interview for all the positions. Thinking outside the box is important in these circumstances.

Dorsey needs to hire a head coach and let that person hire his own staff. I believe part of Kitchens problem on offense has been a forced marriage between he and Todd Monken.

I don't want him, but Adam Gase will be available next Monday, if not sooner ...

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/footba...b6ye-story.html

The Jets owner said he would be back next year. Let’s see if that holds up.

There was a time I thought he'd be big.. . well, he made it. He's a big a-hole.

Then he should be looking to land with the steelers.

Gase to the Steelers, Mike Tomlin to the Browns - that's perfect for me.

I don't see that. The head coach needs to hire his coordinators.

You don't hire coordinators before you hire a head.

Guy's I was talking tung in cheek on the backwards hire .. Bone I'm not sure Dorsey hired Monken or Wilks to fit the players we had , that is the problem..
What ever Dorsey and Kitchen's had up their sleeve bombed .. To much rooster turn over in two season's .. Dorsey has hit on several DRAFT picks and the jury is still out on trades ( Landry was a hit )..

Let's invent a time machine and go get him!

Bring him back.

Are any of his former players still in the league for us to sign?

Seems like this would be completely backwards. Head coach's picks for the top two to bring in or at least have a say in who is kept from existing staff. Still, something different might be a good changeup for Dorsey (if he is here). Kitchens may be so sour as to be the first domino with his mangling of his game duties. May cause more fallout beyond himself.

I am not sure if Chubb's title, a major feat, can be enough. I don't want another year like this with his lame calls and dumb judgment. Deliver us from more of his "1-0" tripe. I could see us getting rolled this Sunday. How bad is too bad or bad enough?

If he should be kept, what are you building on, what must absolutely be kept? And exactly what is going forward at this point?

Ya, lets get him ... i think Sashi may have hired him and hes working for the Wizards now ... *L* ....

Is dude even in football anymore ... if so, whats he doing ... i know he was OFF the field for a few years ...

U wanna hire this guy and u have the balls to tell me to go root for the Jills cause I wouldn’t debate U on the merits of firing Freddie during the game when we were BEATING THE BILLS none the less ...

Real classy dude ...