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Yes, it was, but record has no meaning in that.

Of course it doesn't. Most know that.

I think Stefanski (and Berry) view and value Callahan as a resource. Here's Stef's quote from when Callahan was hired:

"I can't do this thing alone," Stefanski said. "I know that, so I need really good people around me. To have somebody in the office next to me who's been a head coach in college, a head coach in the pros, has seen a lot of the obstacles that come up in the course of a day for a head coach is huge. I can pop in next door and ask him his opinion on a bunch of things and that can inform my decisions moving forward on things big and small."

https://www.clevelandbrowns.com/news/bill-callahan-named-browns-offensive-line-coach

I disagree that there is no correlation between how a team acquires compensatory picks and how it could affect their record.

I'll leave it at that.

Dave, I think that the main decision makers value their coaches input, but I kinda doubt that they help pull the trigger on a pick. I say that because it would behoove each position coach to pimp a player who would play on their unit. One would think that the LBer coach would have a different favorite player than the OL coach. The WR coach would have another. The DL coach another. Etc.

I think their opinions on particular draft eligible players are considered, but I don't think they would actually be part of pulling the trigger on a particular draft slot.

Of course, that is just my opinion and I don't know for sure.

It doesn't matter if you disagree, those thoughts are not germane. The fact is that the goal of those years was the driving factor and nothing else, and the goal was a teardown and acquiring assets. The record was nothing more than incidental.

That's all there is.

Losing guys like Mack, Schwartz, Gipson, etc did not have anything to do w/the record of the next two years? Come on.

All I was trying to say about Callahan was that if there's a decision by the Browns to go OT at #10 (ie, Simmons & Brown are gone), and there are 2 or 3 of the top 4 OTs still available, then Callahan's input would be valuable in making the right choice. If he thinks a college RT (Wills, Wirf) could succeed in the NFL at LT, then I'll feel a lot better about it.

I wasn't trying to belittle your point, Dave. I promise.

It's a sound strategy. Probably one of the reasons we haven't released Vernon at this point. The other is we need to get someone to replace him.

Clowney is a possibility. I have also read we could be a suitor for Yannick Naga...whatever, the Jags DE. I think he is really good, but it would probably cost us a high pick or two. The Jags have franchised him and the player and agent want to be traded.

I am pretty good with the brains we have at the top. I am sure they have discussed all the future contracts and how we can maneuver to get them signed. I don't think we will get stuck in check-mate anytime soon.

Yannick would be a great add.

Just a question. If we keep Vernon, then let him sign elsewhere next off season. Is his comp pick based on what we were paying him or what his new team pays him? He's not going to get $18 mil a year with the next club.


My point is I might keep him over Clowney if the $18 is the figure. If not, I sign Clowney.


If we can sign Yannick, I cut Vernon before the ink is dry on Yannicks contract.

Consult the homeless guy maybe? Still a bizarre story. Nobody accuse you of worshipping analytics either.

Seriously, listen to anybody that can help. But we need some wins this year. Significant wins.

I never thought you were. Just trying to be clear, because I felt like Pit was - IMO - minimizing Callahan's input with his "How has that worked out for us since '99?" post in regards to assistant coaches being assets in talent eval. I'm not here looking for arguments or conflict. Just bored [bleep]less and a bit depressed due to current events ... no worries.

did your hero get a pick for Schwartz? ...

Hue know that ... ... that was funny ...

IF Callaghan has zero input with our OL picks Andy and Kev can tear there Ivy League diplomas Up or use them for toilet paper ... that’d be plain flat out STUPID!!!

I hear you. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't coming across as insulting your opinion. Hang in there, Dave.

I think I am a good writer, but somehow, my messages get misconstrued.

I didn't mean to imply that Callahan wouldn't have any input. Hell, I thought I even said that they probably consulted him on the OL guys. I think I mentioned the LBer and DL coaches being consulted. I think I even put "etc."

I was talking about pulling the trigger on draft day. I would get opinions from all my position coaches, but I sure as hell would not have them sitting in on making the final decisions.

I wonder if that is clear?

Let me try this..........Say Simmons is on the board at 10 and let's pretend that Callahan has Andrew Thomas as his top-rated LT and he is also on the board. Would you allow either of positional coaches to be part of which guy to pick? Or, would you have already considered their advice and made your own Big Board and draft your highest rated player?

In your scenario ... the positional coaches shouldn’t be involved in that decision cause you have your big board and go with that ...

Its hard to communicate on here ... i took u literally ...

Ranking the LT’s and the rest of the OLman I want Callahan all over that big board .... just like every other position coach ... Bill gets added weight to what he says cause of his experience and rep ...

Then when u move to the teams big board .... they may not even find out what it is .. *L* ..

Yeah, I seriously doubt that they'd be pulling the trigger. I mean, I guess if you have a situation where you have 2 players of the same position ranked pretty closely, the tie would go to the position coach, but even then I'd imagine that decision is made prior to Draft Day.