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Best situation to me. McCown gets more time off from this concussion.

Manziel has a full week of practice and preparation for the start.

Time for Manziel to prove himself. If he plays well, maybe he'll go next week. If not, no big deal (other than another loss), McCown gets to prepare for the Raiders

I think Manziel has a chance to make an impression with this opportunity.

If he plays good, decently sound football - how could the coaches pull him next week? This opportunity should have his heart racing with positive adrenaline in my book.

this is just an excuse to let Johnny start.

we need to see what improvements he's made with a full week of practice and preparation

IMO if he plays decent he sticks ... if not, it's McCown/Davis/Blanchard the rest of the way until we blow up the FO again and draft another QB

No. McCown has a concussion. The NFL doesn't mess around with concussions anymore.

lol i know

Unless you are Washington. Then you mess around because your coach doesn't understand words.

Hopefully we won't have any holding penalties on Manziel scrambles this week. The line has been practicing with him all week and should at least have a clue how he's going to play.

if your talking the mack hold.... got news for you. the guy would have been sacked right there if mack didnt hold.

how long do we wait to see austin davis?...just kidding

I think we will all be looking to see if the other 10 guys on offense support Johnny by their effort. If not, it will Cincinnati all over again. And Johnny should be released immediately after the game since it will be OBVIOUS that the guy is not viewed as a leader...first round draft pick or not. If the game gets out of hand, I would like to see Davis for at least a quarter.

You say you're kidding NOW . . .

There was another one where he was already out of the pocket and there was a holding penalty. I don't recall who the offender was.

(Searching. . .)

I'm thinking of the chop block play, but that was more a function of Crowell picking up the wrong guy.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-brow...ated-by-penalty

Either way, my point still holds true. Our line is not used to blocking for a guy who is on the move as much as Manziel.

This is what I was waiting for in order to post in the prediction thread. With McCown I could have seen us squeaking out a slim victory. With Manziel, a slim loss.

I'm glad he's getting the start... We have got to get this QB situation figured out..

JM does not have the luxury of starting a game or two ... then having the the chance to go back and learn from the sidelines.

McCown isn't going to come back and not run the ball.. It seems to be in his blood at this point to run and run hard.. What are the chances of him not getting his bell rang again.

See, now I don't really disagree with those who feel that JFF can only gain experience and help answer where we are by the end of the season at the QB position.

That's one of the two opinions that I believe hold merit.

You either start the QB you feel gives you the best chance to win now, McCown. Or you go with answering the QB question by seasons end and start JFF.

Both of those opinions hold a lot of merit IMO

i blame that on not practice enough togther in the offseason

It's frustrating Pit..

In McCown it's a season or two..

With JM it's ???????

I'm going to accept what ever happens.. All I want is to Get the QB who is going to get us to the SB. Whether we get a Roders Bree's or Rothlisburger type..

Just the Qb that we can build a team around and win as a team..

This is his chance to show us all that he's improved ON THE FIELD.

I think we can all agree that his off field antics appear to be under control.

Ok Johnny, it's your show now. Make it happen man..

Actually I agree with you. When the off season comes, I want there to be a clear direction at the QB position. Either we see enough from JFF to move forward with him, or we see enough to know we have to move on. We will only answer that question by him getting the playing time to either develop into that QB or stagnate.

However, I also understand that the coaching staff and players get paid to win games. Pettine seems emphatic about saying he will play the best players on the roster that give our team the greatest chance to win. We hear both coaches and players say they are focused to take it one game at a time and win each game one at a time. That they don't like looking past the next game.

I believe those two trains of thought are very conflicting and often leave the fans at odds with each other.

If they want to win, they are starting the wrong guy.

"easier" part of the schedule for him to get good game time experience. Hopefully he can prove the haters wrong and get a W on Sunday. If not, then maybe, just maybe we need to start scouting for another first round pick. #woeisme

Why is it when people simply don't believe a guy is a good player, they are called haters?

I think no matter what you'll see us draft a qb high next year. Odd's are we will be picking in the top 5 again. Josh is here for another year or 2, JM has the elbow problem, we need someone for the future it's that simple.

I'm interested in seeing this as well.

Yes, that's what I am also saying.

I think a lot of it has to do with how a poster comes across. If they use reasonable arguments I by no means think they are a hater. When childish names are used to speak about the player, that is a hater IMO. Johnny did himself no favors last year - he added fuel to the fire of those that did not want him. I wasn't keen on the selection - I would have taken Bridgewater - but I understand why we took JM. I'm pulling for the guy, and he has a lot of things to overcome from his college days.

Bleacher Report is now reporting that McCown had no concussion symptoms all week..

So is Mary Kay.

Farmer has to be behind this somehow, right?

/tinfoil hat.

Hopefully with JM going up against MM it will be extra motivation for him. This game will draw a lot of interest because of the qb match-up and many will be watching. Here's to JM coming out on top.

Does it really matter who starts if there are no solid play makers on offense? Is it fair to judge either QB if they have no real talent around them? Allot of people forget before Steve Young was a 49ner he was in Tampa. If you judged him on based on the teams overall performance, he would be considered a bust regardless of how talented he was. Then he goes to a loaded 49ner team and the rest is history. I say all that to say this, it won't really matter who we have under center if we have only average players to complement them

To a degree I believe you have a point. You can't really judge a QB on things outside of his control. However there are some things you can judge.

Going through progressions. Protecting the ball. One read and run.

Some things are within the control of the QB and some things are not.

Where are you seeing this?

This is from the link you provided. It is a little different than saying, "Bleacher Report is now reporting that McCown had no concussion symptoms all week.."

Also:



It's either a concussion or not. There is no "not bad."

McCown can't go due to concussion and I'm sure you know that.. So are you suggesting they start a guy like Davis? The man whose been with the team a week or so?

Johnny be good! (Please!)

Browns' Josh McCown was symptom-free all week and didn't feel he was concussed, source says

BEREA, Ohio -- Browns quarterback Josh McCown was symptom-free all week and was expecting to be cleared to play on Friday, a league source told Northeast Ohio Media Group.

In fact, McCown never felt he was concussed in the first place and always anticipated starting against the Titans.

Instead, McCown's congnitive tests never returned to his baseline and he was ruled out of the game. Johnny Manziel will start the home opener instead, making his third career start.

The source said McCown wanted to go back into the Jets game after he was "helicoptered'' into the end zone by linebacker Demario Davis, but that he was ruled out by the independent neurologists at the game. He felt the blow wasn't as bad as it looked and that he didn't actually suffer a head injury.

He drove himself home from the Browns facility after returning home from New Jersey and felt fine.

When he woke up Monday morning, he didn't have a headache or any other concussion symptoms. In fact, he didn't believe he should be in the concussion protocol at all at that time. He was cleared to come in and watch film and attend meetings.

McCown was optimistic he'd be be cleared by Friday, but the tests showed otherwise, which surprised him.

However, McCown trusts the NFL's concussion protocol and is fine with the outcome, even though he believes he could have played, the source said.

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2015/09/josh_mccown_symptom-free_all_w.html#incart_river

well thats why the nfl has independent neurologists and congnitive tests. players and teams would lie to get back in the game.

If they don't, they can go somewhere else to play football. That would be screwing the team, the fans and themselves.

At any rate, I don't think for a second they'll give any less effort for JFF then they would for any other QB.