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The "schools" don't have as much to do with it as some of you are saying. The attitude of the students has almost EVERYTHING to do with it.

You don't need to have the latest and greatest computer lab. You don't NEED the latest textbooks. I guarantee, take some "poor" school district, give them the newest text books, and say, 1000 brand spanking new computers - the latest and greatest. Give it one year, and many of the books will have "disappeared", computers won't compute, and the students will still be as bad as they were prior.

Reverse the situation: remove the latest texts from a "privileged" school, downgrade them to, say, 1 computer for every 20 students. The success/graduation/learning rate will not decline at all.

Why? It's called "desire". The desire to learn. The ability to realize that education is what gets your foot in the door of endless possibilities.

Too many of the inner city schools have kids that could'nt care less - or perhaps it's better to say "too many inner city schools have too many kids that couldn't care less".

Throw money at the inner city schools - give them each $10 mil extra per school year, and you won't see different results than you get now. Technology is good, but it does not create results in and of itself. The desire has to be there. Take the best teacher in the country, give him/her students that don't care, and all of a sudden it's the teachers fault for poor results?

Our school district (small, well funded - at least well funded for ohio - is now buying some stupid video game thing for gym class - the kind where you have to jump around on a mat to move your creature, or whatever - ya'll know what I mean. The reasoning behind this is: we have to use technology in order to get the kids moving. B.S., is what I say. Gym class - move around. Make them run a few laps in the gym, then have them do some situps and pushups, then throw a ball or 2 out there and have at it. For those that don't want to play, after the laps and situps and pushups, they can walk the rest of the period.

What I'm getting at is technology is okay - but it sure as heck doesn't beat actually DOING - be it in gym class, or science/math/english class. You don't need the latest and greatest - you need the DESIRE.

Unfortunatley, the desire is not there in too many places.

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Yes, the suburban schools are going to have better facilities and that is worth something... but I think, if anything, you actually helped to make his point... it's not so much what goes on in school as it is what goes on out of school that causes one group to succeed and the other to fail at the rate they do.

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I see what you're saying. I guess I just read it as saying that it was the students' fault that schools don't work for them.

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I see what you're saying. I guess I just read it as saying that it was the students' fault that schools don't work for them.

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No actually I am saying it is the culture outside the schools that doesnt work for them. The education is available to the kids but the culture does not value and encourage education as much as it should.

Also I will point out that while the article we are discussing is about Black males(isnt saying black boys considered offensive by some) this could be said about any poor area. Go into the deep appalachians and you woill find the same thing with white students. So it isnt a black and white issue. It is a socioeconomic issue.


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It's alot harder for African American kids now because some Hip Hop portrays "being hood" or going to jail as "being real" or cool. You can't even become a "major" Hip Hop artist nowadays or get folks to listen to Hip Hop unless you are "real". This is where the message in Hip Hop, as well as from the culture needs to change.

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I had one frined who was very bright and his mon used to say bad things to him. I remember her telling him that he thought he was better than the rest of the " niggers" in the house because he was doing well in school and was goinmg to go away with the white fols where he would fit in better.

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Thats horrible. I can't imagine what thats like. Maybe it is better to say that parents aren't the only issue. Theyre just part of the bigger problem. What is that bigger problem? Xenophobia. Plain and simple. Viewing someone different from yourself with animosity and hate because of jealousy, ignorance, etc. Whether it be cultural differences, money, skin color, etc. If everyone looked at someone walking across the street from themselves and didn't think black/white, rich/poor, or retarded/smart we wouldn't have many of these problems. Instead of making snap judgements, what if we just though "brother" or "sister" or even human being!

Man, im just tired of all this hate. Tired of what it does to people and those around them.

Sorry, ranted a tangent. This is just one of my pet peeves.

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If everyone looked at someone walking across the street from themselves and didn't think black/white, rich/poor, or retarded/smart we wouldn't have many of these problems.

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So thinking of Pit as a poor white retarded guy is wrong?

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So thinking of Pit as a poor white retarded guy is wrong?

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No! Heck,that's PERFECT!
I like it when people underestimate me!

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PIT'S WHITE

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Only on the "outside" GM.

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I thought he was a chinese midget

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How much DID you have to drink at DTI that day?

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So what would we expect the past leader of these failing schools to say about the failure...might as well blame it on several issues rather than one main reason. That way she can deflect criticism for not being more proactive in resolving the disturbing attitude toward education in the black schools.

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"As the leader of the schools, it is only her job to make the education available... there is little she can do to make the kids want it or more importantly, to make the parents emphasize it...

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Come on DC...this is the same lame ass "pass the buck" response I normally hear from "professional" teachers. I did what I could but I can't make them listen or perform, they say.

Give me a break if these people were judged upon the results of their responsibilities they would starve

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SLim dog we are on the same page. it is tough because of the outside influences and I went to a primarily back school in the "hood" for JR high and then a high school which was promarily black in my own " hood" for high school and I saw exactly what you are talking about. Kids who did well in school were well spoken called " house niggers" or "punks" or many other things I cant really repeat on here and it wasnt just kids it was adults who did it too. I had one frined who was very bright and his mon used to say bad things to him. I remember her telling him that he thought he was better than the rest of the " niggers" in the house because he was doing well in school and was goinmg to go away with the white fols where he would fit in better.

I apologize for any harsh language I have repeated here but this is reality.



KING

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So what would we expect the past leader of these failing schools to say about the failure...might as well blame it on several issues rather than one main reason. That way she can deflect criticism for not being more proactive in resolving the disturbing attitude toward education in the black schools.

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"As the leader of the schools, it is only her job to make the education available... there is little she can do to make the kids want it or more importantly, to make the parents emphasize it...

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Come on DC...this is the same lame ass "pass the buck" response I normally hear from "professional" teachers. I did what I could but I can't make them listen or perform, they say.

Give me a break if these people were judged upon the results of their responsibilities they would starve

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