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I do wish we had a more dynamic pass-catching TE for Manziel ... a safety valve type player to be a reliable target over the middle


If only we could have had a guy like that on our team. . .

In other news Jordan Cameron had three catches for 62 yards (last week he had four for 73). Too bad there wasn't an easy way to keep him on the roster for relatively cheap.


Obviously he'd be the first name to come to mind ... he very well could get another concussion and be done next week; however, yes it would have been nice to keep him


Hoyer is not here to hang him out to dry anymore. He'd be fine.


Well, I meant he could get hurt in Miami next week, but JFF has also put a few WRs/RBs in peril before too


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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u are right. Hell we had a couple posters criticizing his TD pass to Benji last week. They ripped him last year for running for a TD against the Bills. Their negativity made me even more vocal in my support for the kid.


it was wrong then and it wrong for mccown to do it laast sunday. never want your QB to take a shot like that.


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Anyone else see Irving hold the blizting DB on the second TD pass?

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Don't forget, this was the Titans.

Happy for Johnny.
Happy for Benji.
Williams and Crowell had a heart beat this week.
The D looked good for the most part.

Pettine needs to start Johnny moving forward and see what he has. No exceptions.

If they stick McCown in next week, I won't be happy.

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This place is kind of dead after a win.


It's much more fun to complain.


Or........wait for it....maybe some of us were at the game and just got home. Has nothing to do with complaining.

Stadium was rocking as this team put a good effort forth with the help of its fans.

Mack was juked
JM improved
Line protected
Backs ran but I am not sold on Crow, but this gave JM an improved opportunity for success
Shelton is a ham
Pettine was more animated and showed some fire
Tramon had a good game
Defense was on target
7 sacks rocked!!!!
And............ BENJI RULES!!! The rabbit is loose!


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Quick question, what does the second 'F' stand for in JFF?


LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


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Johnny "Freaking" Football.

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I always understood it to mean Johnny F'ing Football. But I could be wrong. Lol

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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


No. Not even close. McCown got hit directly in the head. Cam got hit in the feet and did a flip.

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If they stick McCown in next week, I won't be happy.


I'd hate to see something like this put the kabash to the usual joy, happiness and positivity in your posts.


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Whoever said it ... yes, Erving held BADLY on Johnny's 2nd TD pass


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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I think Johnny is coming along fine, but the loose balls are very concerning. I think he did everything that was expected from him. They clearly were not looking to but the game on his shoulders, but looking back, he was the one who sealed the deal. Well benji had a lot to do with that.

I agree that Bowe should be shown the door. I would take Pryor back in a heartbeat over him.

Defensively, they played well, but McCluster owned them when he got the ball. Kruger is not setting the edge, and Whitner is the weak spot in the defensive backfield. The guy is slow as hell, and just like last week missed some tackles the turned into big runs.

Benjamin has become a threat, if we could get someone open over the middle, they would have a field day. Benji is going to force over top coverage, and that should open up the middle of the field. That's where I think Bibbs would be ideal.

Those who wanted to cut Bademosi need to watch a replay of the game and see who the guy was that was making the stops on the returns.

This punter is incrdible.

All in all, good game. I was concerned with the let down in the third quarter. Tennessee is not a power house, but they are not a bad team. Good win for everybody, especially Manzeil. This could be the confidence builder he needs. If they start McCown, I will understand, but it is good to know Johnny seems capable of handling the job. McCown played well until he was hurt, so I think he should get another chance. But I can also understand if they decide to start Johnny.

I watched Oakland, and their defense is horrible, but Carr has a lot of weapons, and it will not be a sure win as many think. The Ravens defense looked horrible also. You can run on them now, and their DBs are average at best.

Loved that they gave the home fans a good showing. Time to build momentum now, and show up next week with the proper attitude.

I know I mentioned him once, but IMO Whitner is not playing very good. His run support is terrible in the open field.


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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


No. Not even close. McCown got hit directly in the head. Cam got hit in the feet and did a flip.


Not exactly the same, nor even the same result, but both were nasty helicopter spins...


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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


not sure what your point is other than cam did something stupid.


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Both of our teams looked great today! Great job Steelers and Browns smile


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I would like to add that the referees were definately not in our corner today. I'm glad it didn't help decide the game.


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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


not sure what your point is other than cam did something stupid.


There was no point other than McCown is not the only one being selfless for his team...


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The sidearm to Hawk was nice too. I think he saw he only had one angle to complete that pass and was able to adjust and do it.


announcer said he 'looked like a shortstop' on that play... lol. I had to agree with him.


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i had forgotten about that play but it was the quickest i have ever seen anyone and i mean anyone get that ball out on a quick WR screen. My chin dropped on that one.

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... never want your QB to take a shot like that.


Did you see the hit(s) that Cam Newton took on his TD run? Much the same as McCown without the fumble...


not sure what your point is other than cam did something stupid.


There was no point other than McCown is not the only one being selfless for his team...

When you are an NFL QB, doing "unnecessary" things that put you at risk of getting hurt is not selfless.. in fact if you are as important to your team as Cam is, one could call it very SELFISH to take that risk when it's first and goal from the 3, in the 3rd quarter of a tie game, in week 2... if he gets hurt, the Panthers season is basically over....

The hit Cam took was nothing like the one that McCown took (though I will admit that it could have been).. also, Cam is a freakishly strong, 26 year old dude..... McCown is a not-so-athletic 35 year old dude....

And I'd tell McCown the same thing I tell me kids.. just because other people do stupid crap doesn't make it ok for you to do it. tongue

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McCown is actually pretty athletic for his age.

But he is old.


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I just watched some highlights.

JM looks so much more comfortable than he did last year. Even last week. It's like night and day.

He was pretty average this game, but we didn't run a lot of plays on O, and we ran it almost twice as many times as we threw it. I think it was tough for him to get in a rhythm.

I know we got conservative, but like Mourg, I was just waiting for some playaction/bootlegs that entire third quarter on second down. But we always ran it.


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Don't look now but Cameron had to leave the game after a groin injury. No thanks i'm ok with him not in a Browns uni.


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So at this rate, Benjamin will have over 1600 yards receiving and 16 touchdowns. As well as 1200 punt return yards and 8 touchdowns....


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I think Johnny is coming along fine, but the loose balls are very concerning. I think he did everything that was expected from him. They clearly were not looking to but the game on his shoulders, but looking back, he was the one who sealed the deal. Well benji had a lot to do with that.

I agree that Bowe should be shown the door. I would take Pryor back in a heartbeat over him.

Defensively, they played well, but McCluster owned them when he got the ball. Kruger is not setting the edge, and Whitner is the weak spot in the defensive backfield. The guy is slow as hell, and just like last week missed some tackles the turned into big runs.

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Benjamin has become a threat, if we could get someone open over the middle, they would have a field day. Benji is going to force over top coverage, and that should open up the middle of the field. That's where I think Bibbs would be ideal.
Those who wanted to cut Bademosi need to watch a replay of the game and see who the guy was that was making the stops on the returns.

This punter is incrdible.

All in all, good game. I was concerned with the let down in the third quarter. Tennessee is not a power house, but they are not a bad team. Good win for everybody, especially Manzeil. This could be the confidence builder he needs. If they start McCown, I will understand, but it is good to know Johnny seems capable of handling the job. McCown played well until he was hurt, so I think he should get another chance. But I can also understand if they decide to start Johnny.

I watched Oakland, and their defense is horrible, but Carr has a lot of weapons, and it will not be a sure win as many think. The Ravens defense looked horrible also. You can run on them now, and their DBs are average at best.

Loved that they gave the home fans a good showing. Time to build momentum now, and show up next week with the proper attitude.

I know I mentioned him once, but IMO Whitner is not playing very good. His run support is terrible in the open field.



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I'd take Lenz back over Pryor if Manziel is going to be the QB. Lenz and Manziel seemed like they had a pretty good connection in preseason.

Ideally, I wouldn't even bring in a wide receiver if we cut Bowe loose. We already have Hartline, Gabriel, Benjamin, Hawkins, and Moore. And we don't really use those guys all that much anyway. We also have Housler who is really just a pass catcher and not a tight end.

In the end, I don't anyway we cut Bowe. His contract is worth too much. Also, I think that would be a decision Farmer would want to be in on.

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Unfortunately, WHIO out of Dayton played the Bengals instead of the Browns so I can't comment on the details of the game, but GREAT TEAM WIN!

So what if they played conservative in the second half. When you don't have very many playmakers (Benji is about it) you have to try and squeak out wins like this.

Manziel proved me wrong at least for this week, but now he needs to show us that he can stop putting the ball on the ground. He is playing pretty good football and I'll be a believer if he keeps improving week after week. And PLEASE for the love of god can they just keep him in as the starter! What would we gain by putting McCown back in there?

Other than maybe the run defense and a couple of bad holding calls, there wasn't much to complain about...Again GREAT WIN!


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Quick thing. I was an on again/off again member of the old forums (when they were linked on the official site). I haven't been on here until now. Been a Browns fan my whole life. Dad and Grandfather were lifetime season ticket holders and I grew up going to the games at old Muni to see Kosar, Mack, Byner, and the bunch excite us as fans.

I've held strong every year since (as you all have as well). Hard thing to do year after year but damn... it is in my blood...

Though I have thoughts on the rest of the team's performance (some great blitz and defensive calls, some good push on the o-line to open some running lanes, outstanding play by our "non play-maker" Travis Benjamin, etc. ) I want to chat tonite about Johnny Manziel.

A bit of background. I love college football and I watch a LOT of it. As such, I have had the privilege of witnessing some pretty amazing football games (many of which in person such as USC/Texas National Championship). With all of that, some of the most exciting college football I have ever seen was with Johnny Manziel behind the helm at Texas A&M.

I did NOT start as a fan of Johnny Manziel. I actually really disliked him after his Freshman year. I thought he was a cocky and annoying punk (which he was).

But then he legitimately calmed down a bit his Sophomore year - not a lot - but some. I started to watch the highlights on ESPN. Then I started to record A&M games... just in case something exciting happening. And boy did it. Johnny Football's play was insane. The dude has eyes in the back of his freaking head - I swear. Look up some college highlight youtube vids and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway. The dude was good. Really good. He also had serious attitude/confidence/moxie. Pretty exciting. Could he make it in the NFL?

He entered the draft and started to fall. I kept thinking/knowing it was likely maturity/height issues. But by the time the Browns came up at 22 I thought to myself "what the hell? why not?" I wasn't hating. In fact, I was pretty excited. Why NOT go after that guy? We are the freaking Browns and our QBs have been AWFUL. Going with one of the most exciting college players ever? I was in and when we drafted him I was pretty happy.

Then last year. I was excited. We were playing well and Johnny was an afterthought. I was in on Hoyer - the home town boy (we sure love those don't we fellow Cleveland fans?) But by the second half of the season, Hoyer was dreadful. He was going downhill FAST. I was fine going to Johnny but...

He was terrible. Head not in the game. Looked dreadful. Here we go again I thought. Another waste. Year over. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

But. Much to my surprise, Johnny Manziel put HIMESELF into rehab. And he stayed there A LONG TIME. Could he turn around? Maybe.

Flash forward to pre-season. The guy was saying all the right things. For all the haters out there... ask yourself, if you DIDN'T have the background of this guy... wouldn't you like what you were hearing? A guy FOCUSED on football. A guy knowing that he has earned NOTHING yet. I liked it. He seemed like a different guy.

Then flash forward to today. Johnny looked absolutely outstanding. Exciting. 95% of his play I was happy with. The fumbles - NO GOOD. But I really think he'll correct it. Why? Because he is correcting the other stuff!! He is PROVING that he is learning. That is SO important. This dude is getting better! I'm not saying he is the ultimate answer (though I hope he is) but he is WAY closer than anything else we've had in 15 years.

Seriously. Think about that. In 15 years, name another Browns QB that you thought had the upside as Johnny has? I can't think of one. Not even close. Those passes today? Amazing. The movement with the legs and STILL looking downfield and completing GREAT passes?!! Give me more! How about that throwaway on 3rd and something after scrambling. Give it to the punter (huge THANKS to San Fran for gifting us Andy Lee for a measly 7th rounder - I'll take that ANY DAY!!!). I'm telling you, this kid is on the right path. I'm excited.

Look, he'll likely have his down weeks if we keep playing him BUT... he is trying his ASS off and the dude has stupid talent. I hope we get to see a lot of Johnny Manziel. After all, do we really think that Josh McCown is the answer? Of COURSE he isn't. He is 36. Johnny is still a BABY at 22. Let's develop this guy (or at least try). Let McCown be his mentor as a back-up. Josh will do it... and he'll do it well.

Please Cleveland... keep this coach... keep this QB.... keep some consistency.

Oh. And those other things. Specifically the Rabbit.... f*ck yeah man - you blew my mind today. Shades of Eric Metcalf (maybe even better). Some sick sick moves.

Sorry this is scattered... but that's my take. Johnny I'm a a believer. Stay on the path. Be the man and you have NO IDEA what this fan base will do if you take us into the playoffs in the foreseeable future.

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I would release Bowe today. He's wasting a roster spot.


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Important win, because it was one of the more winnable games on the schedule and off a bad week one showing.

Defense responded as I expected, but the Titans RBs still had something like a 6ypc and the Browns won't lead another game by 3 scores at half this season.

Also as predicted, Offense was old school, run, run, bomb, mainly because the coaches didn't want to put the game into Manziel's hands. He executed the game plan, but still managed to fumble twice, which he does at an alarming rate.
But overall he did good as a game manager. The game winning TD was exciting, but it's exactly what I don't want to see of him anymore, because next time he turns to his backside he might be greeted by a DL/LB and another fumble. In the NFL, more bad than good happens on those moves. Honestly, I would have been happier to see him throw the ball away in the pocket and give the game into the hands of the defense. Mariota in his second overall game showed much more than Manziel, I'd rather have him and it's not close.
And Rish, save your fan hypocrisy please. You hated on Weeden constantly and he was "your" QB too. It's opinion and everyone has a right to have one. I still don't think much of Manziel, but am still happy that we won, yes, it IS possible, believe it or not.

Benji is clearly the MVP. I'm not sure we win this game without his PR TD. The fumbles mostly going our way certainly helped too. That's BABIP in football btw.

Other thoughts:

- OL was superb in pass protection again and better in run blocking

- Mingo is incredibly useless. He's like the dog Odie in Garfield, just not a smart player, lacks football instincts.

- we have a punter !

- DL did a nice job collapsing the pocket, but still struggles in the run game

- thank god for A.Bryant

- Robertson had a nice game too

- nice bounce back game for Haden, nice job shutting down Kendall Wright

- saw Whitner out of place more than once

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Good notes on Manziel's fumbling (he fumbles nearly every sack), Mingo's aloofness (seriously the dude has no instinct), and Whitner's ineffective play (we'd probably be better with Ibraheim Campbell)


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Did Taylor Gabriel have a reception? He's been rather quiet thus far


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Johnny sure throws a nice long pass.
Been a long time since Ive seen such a pass with air under it,where a receiver,can just run out and get it.
Shure wish we had someone to compliment Travis.
Fun to watch..for sure.

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just checked ... Gabriel had one catch for -3 yards

granted, we only had 8 completions


"First down inside the 10. A score here will put us in the Super Bowl. Cooper is far to the left as Njoku settles into the slot. Moore is flanked out wide to the right. Chubb and Ford are split in the backfield as Watson takes the snap ... Here we go."
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Hey...........ain't nothing wrong with that. In fact, my next door neighbor (my pastor) would probably come over to see what was wrong if I wasn't shooting when the Browns score. (in a real game). Another neighbor is a big Browns fan - same with him. And I have friends that live a few miles away that, their kids will run outside as soon as the Browns score to see if they can hear the shotgun. (most times they do hear. Not all the time - depends on the wind) (I want to get a cannon - but, wife, and cost, and cost of black powder are prohibitive at this point.)


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I don't understand this logic.

When a QB like Rogers or Brees or Ben make that throw, it's praised because of their "killer instinct."

When a QB like Rogers or Wilson or Cam make that move to quickly avoid the rush, build some space, and keep their eyes down field for a big play, it's praised as the difference between "running QBs" and "scrambling QBs."

(Also, he had about a half of a second in the pocket to "throw it away". Should he have just laid down?)


I agree that John was just OK this game, and the two fumbles worry me a lot, but to say you would rather him throw it away than use his escapability to put the dagger in the other team by finding the guy with two steps of his defender coming across the field deep seems a little jaded. Rogers and Wilson make that same move and play routinely with quick backside pressure. It happens so fast that the likelihood of a DL/LB being there right at the moment he turns are pretty much slim to none (at least with the loose guy pressure situation like that).


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To take what is a guaranteed sack with any other QB we have had in the last 30 years and turn it into a 50 yard dagger was magical. Nothing negative about that one. It is why he earned the name Johnny Football.

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Well, that's conservative. Folks around me were talking like Benjy was the reincarnation of Metcalf and the second coming of Cribbs but a better receiver, obviously.

Had to agree. Great game, that.


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Originally Posted By: kalphoto
Quick thing. I was an on again/off again member of the old forums (when they were linked on the official site). I haven't been on here until now. Been a Browns fan my whole life. Dad and Grandfather were lifetime season ticket holders and I grew up going to the games at old Muni to see Kosar, Mack, Byner, and the bunch excite us as fans.

I've held strong every year since (as you all have as well). Hard thing to do year after year but damn... it is in my blood...

Though I have thoughts on the rest of the team's performance (some great blitz and defensive calls, some good push on the o-line to open some running lanes, outstanding play by our "non play-maker" Travis Benjamin, etc. ) I want to chat tonite about Johnny Manziel.

A bit of background. I love college football and I watch a LOT of it. As such, I have had the privilege of witnessing some pretty amazing football games (many of which in person such as USC/Texas National Championship). With all of that, some of the most exciting college football I have ever seen was with Johnny Manziel behind the helm at Texas A&M.

I did NOT start as a fan of Johnny Manziel. I actually really disliked him after his Freshman year. I thought he was a cocky and annoying punk (which he was).

But then he legitimately calmed down a bit his Sophomore year - not a lot - but some. I started to watch the highlights on ESPN. Then I started to record A&M games... just in case something exciting happening. And boy did it. Johnny Football's play was insane. The dude has eyes in the back of his freaking head - I swear. Look up some college highlight youtube vids and you'll see what I mean.

Anyway. The dude was good. Really good. He also had serious attitude/confidence/moxie. Pretty exciting. Could he make it in the NFL?

He entered the draft and started to fall. I kept thinking/knowing it was likely maturity/height issues. But by the time the Browns came up at 22 I thought to myself "what the hell? why not?" I wasn't hating. In fact, I was pretty excited. Why NOT go after that guy? We are the freaking Browns and our QBs have been AWFUL. Going with one of the most exciting college players ever? I was in and when we drafted him I was pretty happy.

Then last year. I was excited. We were playing well and Johnny was an afterthought. I was in on Hoyer - the home town boy (we sure love those don't we fellow Cleveland fans?) But by the second half of the season, Hoyer was dreadful. He was going downhill FAST. I was fine going to Johnny but...

He was terrible. Head not in the game. Looked dreadful. Here we go again I thought. Another waste. Year over. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

But. Much to my surprise, Johnny Manziel put HIMESELF into rehab. And he stayed there A LONG TIME. Could he turn around? Maybe.

Flash forward to pre-season. The guy was saying all the right things. For all the haters out there... ask yourself, if you DIDN'T have the background of this guy... wouldn't you like what you were hearing? A guy FOCUSED on football. A guy knowing that he has earned NOTHING yet. I liked it. He seemed like a different guy.

Then flash forward to today. Johnny looked absolutely outstanding. Exciting. 95% of his play I was happy with. The fumbles - NO GOOD. But I really think he'll correct it. Why? Because he is correcting the other stuff!! He is PROVING that he is learning. That is SO important. This dude is getting better! I'm not saying he is the ultimate answer (though I hope he is) but he is WAY closer than anything else we've had in 15 years.

Seriously. Think about that. In 15 years, name another Browns QB that you thought had the upside as Johnny has? I can't think of one. Not even close. Those passes today? Amazing. The movement with the legs and STILL looking downfield and completing GREAT passes?!! Give me more! How about that throwaway on 3rd and something after scrambling. Give it to the punter (huge THANKS to San Fran for gifting us Andy Lee for a measly 7th rounder - I'll take that ANY DAY!!!). I'm telling you, this kid is on the right path. I'm excited.

Look, he'll likely have his down weeks if we keep playing him BUT... he is trying his ASS off and the dude has stupid talent. I hope we get to see a lot of Johnny Manziel. After all, do we really think that Josh McCown is the answer? Of COURSE he isn't. He is 36. Johnny is still a BABY at 22. Let's develop this guy (or at least try). Let McCown be his mentor as a back-up. Josh will do it... and he'll do it well.

Please Cleveland... keep this coach... keep this QB.... keep some consistency.

Oh. And those other things. Specifically the Rabbit.... f*ck yeah man - you blew my mind today. Shades of Eric Metcalf (maybe even better). Some sick sick moves.

Sorry this is scattered... but that's my take. Johnny I'm a a believer. Stay on the path. Be the man and you have NO IDEA what this fan base will do if you take us into the playoffs in the foreseeable future.

GO BROWNS!!!


Exactly what I said at the game. Travis reminds me of Metcalf. I remember the Steeler game he ran three back for scores. Those were fun times!


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