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and thats what you will get with mccown. might as well leave johnny in. jmo.

Yeah I mean, I know we don't seem to agree much pblack, but here's a vice versa to that!

We know Josh, what we have in him, what he is and etc. Sure it's a different setting and etc, but it's pretty much the same scheme as he's ran before with jsut a better o-line in front.

I don't think JF gave us a reason to doubt at least being competitive on the offensive side and/or decreases our chances of winning if we start him. So, why wouldn't we? There is 'potential' for 'upside' and there's almost a guaranteed to come to SOME conclusion just how much a priority is the QB position for this upcoming draft.

Sounds like a no-brainer.

I've heard a lot about Johnny only completing 8 passes, or only throwing 15 total passes, but really, that's all the game called for.

I mean it was 14-0 in the blink of an eye. Part of it was really good defense, part of it was Titan penalties as well. We had good field position all day. With a young QB when you have a big lead, they're going to put training wheels on the offense.

I didn't like the run-run-hope Johnny can complete an obvious pass offense that they ran in the third. It did work, but in future games where you lead by a score or a few scores, against better teams, you will have to move the ball. The defense looked really bad when the offense went into hibernation. I guess the plan for this team big picture is to be able to run the ball in those situations, but you have to do a better job on first down for that to happen. When you go 2nd and 9, with what we have, it's going to fail quite a bit. We don't have a big play TE.

My biggest question going forward isn't about Sunday. I don't really care who starts this Sunday, because I think either QB can win when we get the effort from the rest of the team like we did. I want to know who is more ready to play in the AFCN. You've got a big game in Baltimore in a few weeks. They really need to be honest with themselves about if they think Johnny is ready for that game. I really think they are doing a good job developing him, and I so badly want them to stay the course, but we all know how things are with this team when we get into divisional play, especially road divisional play. Been quite a while since we've won a game in Pittsburgh or Baltimore.

So you would rather Manziel throw the ball away and trust the defense to close the game. The same defense that just gave up 14 points to let the Titans get within one score. That last TD pass was something the fans haven't seen in a long time. We saw the Browns finish the game.

Well........your reply to him was also predictable.

And earlier, you mentioned that there weren't many posts after a win. What? There are at least three threads dedicated to reviewing the game and all of them have big numbers.

Besides.......it's human nature, Rish. You play some sports, right? Do you analyze all the great things you do over and over? Or, do you analyze the mistakes you made more often than your successes?

Reflection is a key to learning. You should identify strengths and weaknesses, but no one other than an egomaniac spends more time reflecting on how great they are rather on areas they intend to improve.

See..........I think you were very predictable when you wrote that. You were just trying to make anyone who questions the team look bad.

You got some support, but in my mind, you failed.

That's actually the entire point. Nobody is "picking on" Manziel because he only threw 15 passes. They're cautioning against reading to much into this game or making more out of it than is there because that's all there was.

It is an incredibly small sample size. There are things to like, but it is FAR from being enough to do any sort of anointing.

Yes.

In the mirror.

Using that same logic, I don't think too many people are "anointing" Manziel... just a lot more optimistic than they were a few weeks ago.

In games where our defense shows up and our running game is at least adequate and we can keep Manziel around 20 attempts, I expect him to look pretty decent... if our running game gets shut down or we fall behind and his attempts end up in the 30-35+ range, I expect he will struggle more... that's just where I think he is in his development.

I don't think he's ready to put the team on his back and throw them to victory, just like I wouldn't count on any of the first or second year QBs to be able to do that on a regular basis.

I think your post is quite accurate. I can see development in his pocket awareness. He's consistently looking downfield when he scrambles.

I can't and won't anoint him as anything. I am however going to give him credit where I think credit is due when it comes to obvious, tangible improvement. I haven't hesitated to critique him when he's messed up and I won't hesitate to give him kudos when I see improvement.

There was a one play in the contest that encapsulated your above comment to me. It was a pass play that went to Andrew Hawkins.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/cleveland-brow...-for-the-Browns

(FF to 32 second mark)

Johnny senses the pressure (doesn't look at it), slides up and over in the pocket while keeping his eyes down field. I think this camera angle does a really good job showing what you said, Pit. Although it isn't a "scramble", it was a reaction to pressure while still being able to get rid of the ball quickly. I think that is a huge sign. Hopefully he can keep moving forward.

Whitner's bad day

http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/9/23/9...win-over-titans

Thing of beauty, Benjamin's punt return TD:

so what you're saying is benji could've ran anywhere, but he decided to give us the more electrifying punt return?

No. He ran it straight up that wide open lane.

As one of the game announcers said "it's the parting of the Red Sea!"