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Post is reporting that it might just be the speakership and not his seat (as opposed to CNN) , sorry about the title


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Why end of October? September 25 will do...

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Why end of October? September 25 will do...


So he can ride out in style on All Hallows Eve on his broomstick.


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Good. He has been an incredibly ineffective Speaker.


Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.

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Never before this speaker did the government face government shutdowns because of ideological buffoonery. Let that sit in for a bit.

Still, congress is screwed up on both ends. Nothing will change till we get unlimited corporate money out of local, state, and federal elections.

This is why I vote Bernie Sanders in 2016.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/john-boehner-to-resign-from-congress.html?_r=0


John Boehner, House Speaker, Will Resign From Congress


By JENNIFER STEINHAUERSEPT. 25, 2015

Speaker John A. Boehner will resign in October. Credit Doug Mills/The New York Times



WASHINGTON — Speaker John A. Boehner, under intense pressure from conservatives in his party, announced on Friday that he would resign one of the most powerful positions in government and give up his House seat at the end of October, as Congress moved to avert a government shutdown.

Mr. Boehner, who was first elected to Congress in 1990, made the announcement in an emotional meeting with his fellow Republicans on Friday morning.

“The first job of any speaker is to protect this institution that we all love,” Mr. Boehner said in a statement released later. “It was my plan to only serve as speaker until the end of last year, but I stayed on to provide continuity to the Republican conference and the House. It is my view, however, that prolonged leadership turmoil would do irreparable damage to the institution. To that end, I will resign the speakership and my seat in Congress on Oct. 30.”


Speaker John A. Boehner in Washington on Thursday. He is under pressure to stand up to the president on Planned Parenthood.


Speaker John A. Boehner at a news conference on Capitol Hill this month. Mr. Boehner is again confronted with a rank-and-file uprising by Republican lawmakers who want to end financing of Planned Parenthood.

With Possible Shutdown Nearing, Obama Looks to Take Budget Fight to G.O.P.SEPT. 16, 2015

Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid, the top Democrats in Congress, spoke outside the White House on Thursday after a strategy session with President Obama over the looming fight over abortion and the federal budget, which could result in a government shutdown.

Mr. Boehner, 65, from Ohio, had struggled from almost the moment he took the speaker’s gavel in 2011 to manage the challenges of divided government and to hold together his fractious and increasingly conservative Republican members.


Most recently, he was trying to craft a solution to keep the government open through the rest of the year, but was under pressure from a growing base of conservatives who told him that they would not vote for a bill that did not defund Planned Parenthood.

Mr. Boehner’s announcement lessened the chance of a government shutdown next week, because Republican leaders will push for a short-term funding measure to keep the government operating and the speaker will no longer be deterred by those who threatened his job.

It will be up to a majority of the members of the House now to choose a new leader, and the leading candidate is Representative Kevin McCarthy of California, the majority leader, who is viewed more favorably by the House’s more conservative members. The preferred candidate among many Republicans, Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, has said he does not want the job.

“John Boehner has been a great leader of the Republican Party and the House of Representatives,” Mr. Ryan said Friday in a statement. “This was an act of pure selflessness. John’s decades of service have helped move our country forward, and I deeply value his friendship. We will miss John, and I am confident our conference will elect leaders who are capable of meeting the challenges our nation faces. I wish John and his family well as he begins the next phase of his life.”

Representative Charlie Dent, Republican of Pennsylvania, said: “The next speaker is going to have a very tough job. The fundamental dynamics don’t change.”

Mr. Dent said there had been “a lot of sadness in the room” when Mr. Boehner made his announcement to colleagues, and he blamed the House’s hard-right members, who he said were unwilling to govern. “It’s clear to me that the rejectionist members of our conference clearly had an influence on his decision,” Mr. Dent said. “That’s why I’m not happy about what happened today. We still have important issues to deal with, and this will not be easier for the next guy.”

"The dynamics are this,” he continued. “There are anywhere from two to four dozen members who don’t have an affirmative sense of governance. They can’t get to yes. They just can’t get to yes, and so they undermine the ability of the speaker to lead. And not only do they undermine the ability of the speaker to lead, but they undermine the entire Republican conference and also help to weaken the institution of Congress itself. That’s the reality.

“Now, if we have a new speaker, is there going to be an epiphany? They won’t be happy if it’s Paul Ryan or Kevin McCarthy, who will have to make accommodations with a Democratic president and the Senate constituted the way it is.”

Representative Nancy Pelosi, Democrat of California and the previous speaker of the House, learned about Mr. Boehner’s resignation when she read a breaking news alert on a staff member’s phone. “God knows what’s next over there,” she told staff members. “Coming from earthquake country, this is a big one.”

Ms. Pelosi, who had been negotiating privately on a plan to keep the government open, told reporters that Mr. Boehner’s resignation was “a stark indication of the disarray of House Republicans.”

The announcement came just a day after Pope Francis visited the Capitol, fulfilling a 20-year dream for Mr. Boehner, the son of a tavern owner from a large Catholic family, of having a pontiff address Congress. He had a private audience with Francis before the pope spoke to a joint meeting of Congress.

Mr. Boehner wept openly as the pope addressed an audience gathered on the West Lawn of the Capitol on Thursday. He no doubt understood that it was his last grand ceremony as speaker and, indeed, a capstone to his long political career, which began in the Ohio Statehouse.

“I am happy that one of his final memories will be watching the pope address an institution the speaker loved and served for many years,” Representative Trey Gowdy, Republican of South Carolina, said. “He had an incredibly hard job, as whoever takes his place will learn.”

At the Family Research Council’s Values Voter Summit, which was taking place just a few blocks from the Capitol, many jumped to their feet and cheered when Senator Marco Rubio, Republican of Florida, announced that Mr. Boehner was resigning.

“It’s time to turn the page,” Mr. Rubio said, deviating from his prepared text in an assertion tailored to the audience, whose views align with many who wanted to oust Mr. Boehner.



One of those fed-up Republicans is Joe Glover, a retired businessman from the Dallas area who was at the conference and could barely restrain his jubilation.

“I think it’s awesome,” Mr. Glover said. “No. 1, he needed to go, and No. 2, it should give us an opportunity to have a fresh voice and fresh leadership, because we haven’t seen the leadership from that office we need to see.”

Speaking to reporters after his remarks at the conservative summit meeting, Senator Ted Cruz of Texas spoke harshly of Mr. Boehner.





“The early reports are discouraging,” Mr. Cruz said. “If it is correct that the speaker, before he resigns, has cut a deal with Nancy Pelosi to fund the Obama administration for the rest of this year, to fund Obamacare, to fund executive amnesty, to fund Planned Parenthood, to fund implementation of this Iran deal, and then presumably to land a cushy K Street job after joining with the Democrats to implement all of President Obama’s priorities, that is not the behavior one would expect from a Republican speaker of the House.”






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I would like to think that Mr. Boehner (a Catholic) resigned today, the day after the Pope spoke to congress, because he heard the Pope's...



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Front page tagline: "throwing Congress into chaos as it tries to avert a government shutdown," yet midway through the article we read that...



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There has been no difference between his realm as Speaker of the house than there was with Nancy Pelosi. It is time that He was replaced and...

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Mr. Cruz declined to offer his view of Mr. McCarthy, saying only that he hoped House Republicans “select a strong conservative.”

While some conservatives were celebrating, one prominent Republican was upset at the news.

Senator John McCain of Arizona said that he was taken aback, and that Mr. Boehner’s resignation had perilous implications for Republican prospects going into next year’s elections.

“It means that it’s in disarray,” Mr. McCain said in a brief interview. “Basically, he has been unseated. And that’s not good for the Republican Party.”

His advice? “We’ve got to unite and recognize who the adversary is.”

For decades, Mr. Boehner legislated as a stalwart Republican institutionalist. He became speaker after a Tea Party wave in the 2010 election swept Republicans into the majority in the House on a call to drastically curb federal spending and the role of government.

It was an agenda Mr. Boehner supported, but he quickly found himself hamstrung by the new members of Congress, who were undaunted by the fact that Democrats controlled much of Washington and that their ability to fulfill their goals would have its limits.

That conflict resulted in a 16-day government shutdown in October 2013, the brink of default on the nation’s debt and the undoing of former Representative Eric Cantor of Virginia, who was the House majority leader. Mr. Cantor oversaw the movement of the right to empower Republicans, but he was ultimately defeated in a primary in 2014 by an unknown challenger whose candidacy was fueled by Tea Party energy.

A similar dynamic is shaping the Republican presidential primary process, with both Donald J. Trump and Mr. Cruz openly critical of congressional leaders.
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On Friday, even as Republican members of Congress reeled from the news, the architects of the right-leaning movement cheered.

“Americans deserve a Congress that fights for opportunity for all and favoritism to none,” said Michael A. Needham, the chief executive of Heritage Action, a policy arm of the conservative Heritage Foundation. “Too often, Speaker Boehner has stood in the way. Today’s announcement is a sign that the voice of the American people is breaking through in Washington. Now is the time for a principled, conservative leader to emerge. Heritage Action will continue fighting for conservative policy solutions, and we look forward to working with the new leadership team.”

Most recently, Mr. Boehner, a warrior in the anti-abortion movement for 30 years, was under pressure to try to cripple Planned Parenthood as part of a deal to keep the government open

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Plenty of time to work on getting a tan . . .

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And the conservative base further crumbles.

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didn't expect this


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This is the best possible news for the Conservative Base!
Another RINO goes extinct.

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Predictions:

1.) There will be a clean funding extension through mid-december that is signed off on within the next few days. Boehner no longer has to worry about conservatives calling for his ouster. The right-wing of the republican party is ok with the extension, because they think that whoever replaces Boehner will be more effective at fighting the Democrats than Boehner is. The Democrats are ok with the extension because they think the exact opposite.

2.) When that funding extension comes up (probably right before the Christmas recess), I think a government shutdown (and probably a particularly ugly one) is likely. It will end up being a disaster for Republicans, because there will be a fight for control on their side - and the Democrats are going to be able to sit back and not help out. The party that gets blamed for a shutdown never wins, and it's going to be easy for the Democrats to point the figure and say "the new republican leadership is too fractured to run the country".

3.) I think this is bad news for republicans running for president - with the possible exception of the true outsider candidates.


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I think we will see the extension too.

I also think Congress will put the new bill on Obama's desk for a veto and sit back while telling the American people that Obama is shutting down the Government over Planned Parenthood's slaughter policies.

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I think we will see the extension too.

I also think Congress will put the new bill on Obama's desk for a veto and sit back while telling the American people that Obama is shutting down the Government over Planned Parenthood's slaughter policies.


That will be what happens - I think that's a tough sell to moderates, especially when the democrats can point to the Boehner resignation as the cause of the shutdown.

I think it will be easy to convince people already on the right that it's Obama's fault - but you didn't really need to convince them to vote republican anyway.

That's why I think it's tough for Republican Presidential Candidates - the more extreme right wing stuff helps you in local congressional races, but it hurts you on the national stage where grabbing the center is more important.

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Considering polls still show that people don't want to defund planned parenthood then good luck getting them on their side when using it as a political chip against the competition!

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Never before this speaker did the government face government shutdowns because of ideological buffoonery. Let that sit in for a bit.

Still, congress is screwed up on both ends. Nothing will change till we get unlimited corporate money out of local, state, and federal elections.

This is why I vote Bernie Sanders in 2016.


And term limits.. No reason an 80 year old needs to have been in office for 30+ years


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Government shutdowns can work to your benefit when played correctly.

Last shutdown, everyone cried it was the Republicans fault and what was their punishment?

They took full control of the Senate not long after.

Very Interesting.

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Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
Predictions:

1.) There will be a clean funding extension through mid-december that is signed off on within the next few days. Boehner no longer has to worry about conservatives calling for his ouster. The right-wing of the republican party is ok with the extension, because they think that whoever replaces Boehner will be more effective at fighting the Democrats than Boehner is. The Democrats are ok with the extension because they think the exact opposite.

2.) When that funding extension comes up (probably right before the Christmas recess), I think a government shutdown (and probably a particularly ugly one) is likely. It will end up being a disaster for Republicans, because there will be a fight for control on their side - and the Democrats are going to be able to sit back and not help out. The party that gets blamed for a shutdown never wins, and it's going to be easy for the Democrats to point the figure and say "the new republican leadership is too fractured to run the country".

3.) I think this is bad news for republicans running for president - with the possible exception of the true outsider candidates.



I don't disagree with your post, but I just want to point out that what you said is one thing that is wrong with this country.

It'll be all about semantics and leverage vs. trying to focus on the wholesome good for the country.


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Good. He has been an incredibly ineffective Speaker.


I'm not a Boehner apologist, but I honestly don't know who could be effective given the state of affairs of our legislative politicians these days.


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Originally Posted By: dawglover05
the wholesome good for the country.


This is the sticking point. What's wholesome and good for some is like being stretched on a rack for others. Just take our beloved 40 for instance, imagine him agreeing with Nancy Pelosi on what is wholesome and good. I think he'd rather share fava beans and a nice chianti with her.


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the wholesome good for the country.


This is the sticking point. What's wholesome and good for some is like being stretched on a rack for others. Just take our beloved 40 for instance, imagine him agreeing with Nancy Pelosi on what is wholesome and good. I think he'd rather share fava beans and a nice chianti with her.


Speaking of Aunt Nancy, don't be surprised to see Boehner, with the continuing support of his Republicans, work a deal with Nan Nan to get a short term extension passed over the objections of Tea Party Conservatives.
He after all, has nothing to lose now.

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That's all I gots to say !

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Pope show's up, dude jumps ship.

gotta feeling some more republicans are gonna follow. maybe 2-3.


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Good. He has been an incredibly ineffective Speaker.


I'm not a Boehner apologist, but I honestly don't know who could be effective given the state of affairs of our legislative politicians these days.


Yeah, he was pretty much told that his Republicans wouldn't try to compromise or anything. He got put in a pretty horrid spot, at least House Speaker isn't important.

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Can't say I'm not happy to see him go. However a little worried one of the Tea Party members or even worse, Cruz, gets the nod for next Speaker...

I would be very ok with Rubio as speaker.

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Originally Posted By: OldColdDawg
Can't say I'm not happy to see him go. However a little worried one of the Tea Party members or even worse, Cruz, gets the nod for next Speaker...

I would be very ok with Rubio as speaker.


Cruz and Rubio are Senators. The Speaker of the House is in the House of Representatives.

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Can't say I'm not happy to see him go. However a little worried one of the Tea Party members or even worse, Cruz, gets the nod for next Speaker...

I would be very ok with Rubio as speaker.


Cruz and Rubio are Senators. The Speaker of the House is in the House of Representatives.


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Originally Posted By: Dave

Cruz and Rubio are Senators. The Speaker of the House is in the House of Representatives.


To be fair - I just learned today that legally, the Speaker of the House does not need to be a member of the House (or even a member of government).

It's never happened in history, but I think that's a cool fact.

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Originally Posted By: Dave

Cruz and Rubio are Senators. The Speaker of the House is in the House of Representatives.


To be fair - I just learned today that legally, the Speaker of the House does not need to be a member of the House (or even a member of government).

It's never happened in history, but I think that's a cool fact.


So Haslem's homeless guy could be 3rd in line for the presidency?


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Originally Posted By: Lyuokdea
Originally Posted By: Dave

Cruz and Rubio are Senators. The Speaker of the House is in the House of Representatives.


To be fair - I just learned today that legally, the Speaker of the House does not need to be a member of the House (or even a member of government).

It's never happened in history, but I think that's a cool fact.


First I ever heard of that. You sure?

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Too cool. Thanks.

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Give democrats everything they want in a budget except for funding planned parenthood. Put the bill on Obama desk and let him and the democrats explain to America why they are shutting down the government unless an organization that slaughters babies gets funding.

Jared Fogle gets thrown in jail for what he did to kids.
Planned parenthood gets government funding for what they do to babies. Truly a messed up world we live in.


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So I see a bunch of liberals today celebrating this move like the wicked witch is dead (sorry she's still the minority leader). But they don't seem to understand what's really going on behind the scenes. Boehner resigned because the hardcore conservative base was trying to push him out because they felt he wasn't doing enough to defund Planned Parenthood. They want a government shutdown like last year (which he was forced into doing and wanted to avoid). The libs feel like they won but don't realize he's going to be replaced by someone even more conservative and more stubborn.


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If our Government is spending my tax dollars to kill kids and harvest their body parts, as far as I'm concerned, shut the freakin thing down and sell its stinkin parts!

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Another dawgtalkers politics thread devolves into tribalism with "MY PARTY IS BETTER THAN YOUR PARTY!" arguments.

Guess what guys, they've won with you doing this. It keeps us distracted from the reality of our American Hegemonic Plutocracy.

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Another dawgtalkers politics thread devolves into tribalism with "MY PARTY IS BETTER THAN YOUR PARTY!" arguments.

Guess what guys, they've won with you doing this. It keeps us distracted from the reality of our American Hegemonic Plutocracy.


It is the New World Order and there is nothing we can do about it. It is exactly what a wealthy and powerful oligarchy of banks, corporations, and dynastic families and institutions wants, which is to run the world. This elite group exercises control through interlocking boards of directors and stock ownership, acting through private clubs, societies and institutions, dominating national governments, both democratic and authoritarian.

The endgame of this plutocracy is global financial domination and world government.

It has been in the works for decades and many of those behind it saw it as a benefit to mankind. Unfortunately, the Money god raised its ugly head and mankind is no longer in the equation.

My advice is to find your place within this system to survive and be thankful you only live 100 years or less. To fight it will result in the death of Billions.

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Where'd you copy and paste this from?

Are you truly a conservative?

This response from you raises way too many questions.

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