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News and views . . . News: The Browns select offensive left tackle Joe Thomas in the first round of the National Football League’s college draft and Kevin Shaffer says one season as the club’s offensive left tackle is enough. He wants outta here. Views: Imagine that. The Browns hurt Shaffer’s feelings by drafting Thomas. Poor baby. Surprisingly, the club tried to comply with his wishes. Spoke with the New York Giants about the big guy and couldn’t come up with a workable solution. Why in the world are the Browns trying to accommodate Shaffer? Don’t they realize that by drafting Thomas and signing free-agent guards Eric Steinbach and Seth McKinney, they have cobbled their strongest offensive line since the return in 1999? Unless he turns out to be a hybrid of Tony Mandarich and Robery Gallery, which is as likely as a tsunami hitting Cleveland, Thomas is a lock to open as the club’s OLT against Pittsburgh in the season opener. Bet on it. And hold on to Shaffer, whose Cleveland debut last season was rather disappointing. Maybe he’s smarting because he didn’t perform as well as he wanted. He’s still a pretty good football player and would look very nice at right tackle. Move Ryan Tucker inside at right guard, where he should have been in the first place, have him battle with McKinney for the job and you have the makings of a solid offensive line. With Thomas, Steinbach, center Hank Fraley, Tucker or McKinney and Shaffer up front, the Browns have a nice blend of run mashers and pass blockers. Kelly Butler, Rob Smith, Lennie Friedman and the Tucker/McKinney loser won’t embarrass themselves coming off the bench. Shaffer should be told, in no uncertain terms, to shut up, grab a helmet and do what he was paid handsomely to do when he came here as a free agent a year. Be a professional and quit whining. He’s banked more than $12 million since autographing a contract with the Browns. They’ve lived up to their end of the bargain. Now it’s time for him to live up to his end. It’s time to go out and prove he’s the player who overachieved in Atlanta a couple of years ago. It’s time to take this latest setback and use it as an incentive to overachieve once again. Besides, the Browns don’t want to take an $8 million salary-cap hit if they trade him. So sack up, shut up and start behaving like a professional. That way, there will be two winners: Shaffer and the Browns. News: The Browns do not select a running back in the draft. Views: Is Phil Savage so sanguine about his club’s running game that he eschewed the opportunity to take a running back? When will the Browns’ general manager understand that the key to the success of any team’s offense is the ability to run the football? Outside of Jamal Lewis, there is no one who can handle that important job for the Browns. Behind Lewis, who is approaching the downside of his career, you have Jason Wright, Jerome Harrison and Chris Barclay. That’s it. Not nearly enough to scare opposing offensive coordinators. Savage finally has the offensive line he so desired. It’s time to start giving that line some talent with which to work. Chris Brown, who had some decent seasons in Tennessee, is available. Perhaps Savage is waiting for the June 1 roster cuts. Either way, it’s imperative that he improves his running backs roster. News: The Cincinnati Bengals release defensive tackle Sam Adams. Views: Adams would look great as the Browns’ nose tackle this season. Fit him for an orange and brown uniform tout de suite. No need to sit down and brainstorm this one. Everyone saw how ineptly the Browns stopped the run last season. The Browns need all kinds of help against the run and Adams, a space eater, is a terrific run stuffer. Signing Ted Washington was a noble effort to stop the bleeding, but he is not the answer on the nose, Romeo Crennel’s assessment to the contrary notwithstanding. So why not go after Adams, who is five years younger (he turns 34 next month)? He certainly can’t be any worse than Washington. Savage knows all about Adams, who was with the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Super Bowl. He brought Jamal Lewis to Cleveland? Why not Adams? News: Savage wears a Baltimore Ravens T-shirt on draft day. Blasphemous, say some fans. So what, say others. Views: Big deal. He wore the T-shirt of one of the Browns’ hated rivals. Maybe the most hated rival. Revealed it after drafting Brady Quinn. How dare he even think of putting his hands on such a garment? Why is it still a part of his wardrobe? Run him out of town. C’mon, people. What difference does it make what he wears? I don’t care if he wears a sky-blue pink T-shirt as long as he does his job. This isn’t a fashion show. It’s obvious Savage is somewhat superstitious. Supposedly, this is the T-shirt he wore while with the Ravens when they drafted Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis a decade ago. Considers it a good-luck charm. Nothing wrong with that. Don’t go reading anything into that. If Thomas and Quinn turn into the players most experts believe they will, this little incident will be looked upon fondly in the future. 
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I'm still trying to find where Shaffer has whined or complained. I saw an early article that mentioned that he didn't want to ride the pine and read something recently about his agent saying that he wanted to be traded but nowhere have I seen anything that says Shaffer is a whiner, that he himself has complained, is unwilling to compete at LT, or is unwilling to play on the right side. Am I missing something?
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News: The Browns select offensive left tackle Joe Thomas in the first round of the National Football League’s college draft and Kevin Shaffer says one season as the club’s offensive left tackle is enough. He wants outta here.
Views: Imagine that. The Browns hurt Shaffer’s feelings by drafting Thomas. Poor baby. Surprisingly, the club tried to comply with his wishes. Spoke with the New York Giants about the big guy and couldn’t come up with a workable solution.
Why in the world are the Browns trying to accommodate Shaffer? Don’t they realize that by drafting Thomas and signing free-agent guards Eric Steinbach and Seth McKinney, they have cobbled their strongest offensive line since the return in 1999?
Unless he turns out to be a hybrid of Tony Mandarich and Robery Gallery, which is as likely as a tsunami hitting Cleveland, Thomas is a lock to open as the club’s OLT against Pittsburgh in the season opener. Bet on it.
And hold on to Shaffer, whose Cleveland debut last season was rather disappointing. Maybe he’s smarting because he didn’t perform as well as he wanted. He’s still a pretty good football player and would look very nice at right tackle.
Move Ryan Tucker inside at right guard, where he should have been in the first place, have him battle with McKinney for the job and you have the makings of a solid offensive line.
With Thomas, Steinbach, center Hank Fraley, Tucker or McKinney and Shaffer up front, the Browns have a nice blend of run mashers and pass blockers. Kelly Butler, Rob Smith, Lennie Friedman and the Tucker/McKinney loser won’t embarrass themselves coming off the bench.
Shaffer should be told, in no uncertain terms, to shut up, grab a helmet and do what he was paid handsomely to do when he came here as a free agent a year. Be a professional and quit whining.
He’s banked more than $12 million since autographing a contract with the Browns. They’ve lived up to their end of the bargain. Now it’s time for him to live up to his end.
It’s time to go out and prove he’s the player who overachieved in Atlanta a couple of years ago. It’s time to take this latest setback and use it as an incentive to overachieve once again.
Besides, the Browns don’t want to take an $8 million salary-cap hit if they trade him. So sack up, shut up and start behaving like a professional.
That way, there will be two winners: Shaffer and the Browns.
How did Passan ever get a job? The news he's ripping Shaffer for is 100% FALSE.
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News: The Browns do not select a running back in the draft.
Views: Is Phil Savage so sanguine about his club’s running game that he eschewed the opportunity to take a running back?
When will the Browns’ general manager understand that the key to the success of any team’s offense is the ability to run the football? Outside of Jamal Lewis, there is no one who can handle that important job for the Browns.
Behind Lewis, who is approaching the downside of his career, you have Jason Wright, Jerome Harrison and Chris Barclay. That’s it. Not nearly enough to scare opposing offensive coordinators.
Savage finally has the offensive line he so desired. It’s time to start giving that line some talent with which to work. Chris Brown, who had some decent seasons in Tennessee, is available.
Perhaps Savage is waiting for the June 1 roster cuts. Either way, it’s imperative that he improves his running backs roster.
Chris Brown is an injury riddled bum. He didn't choose a RB because in the position we were in there weren't good enough RBs to take to fit this offense. I wonder if Passan is Butch Davis' pen name.
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Views: Adams would look great as the Browns’ nose tackle this season. Fit him for an orange and brown uniform tout de suite.
No need to sit down and brainstorm this one. Everyone saw how ineptly the Browns stopped the run last season. The Browns need all kinds of help against the run and Adams, a space eater, is a terrific run stuffer.
Signing Ted Washington was a noble effort to stop the bleeding, but he is not the answer on the nose, Romeo Crennel’s assessment to the contrary notwithstanding. So why not go after Adams, who is five years younger (he turns 34 next month)? He certainly can’t be any worse than Washington.
Savage knows all about Adams, who was with the Baltimore Ravens when they won the Super Bowl. He brought Jamal Lewis to Cleveland? Why not Adams?
Um, Ted Washington played fine at NT last year - it was the ends who didn't do their jobs. Shaun Smith is looked as the future NT, how's he going to get reps if Adams is spelling Washington?
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News: Savage wears a Baltimore Ravens T-shirt on draft day. Blasphemous, say some fans. So what, say others.
Views: Big deal. He wore the T-shirt of one of the Browns’ hated rivals. Maybe the most hated rival. Revealed it after drafting Brady Quinn.
How dare he even think of putting his hands on such a garment? Why is it still a part of his wardrobe? Run him out of town.
C’mon, people. What difference does it make what he wears? I don’t care if he wears a sky-blue pink T-shirt as long as he does his job. This isn’t a fashion show.
It’s obvious Savage is somewhat superstitious. Supposedly, this is the T-shirt he wore while with the Ravens when they drafted Jonathan Ogden and Ray Lewis a decade ago. Considers it a good-luck charm.
Nothing wrong with that.
Don’t go reading anything into that. If Thomas and Quinn turn into the players most experts believe they will, this little incident will be looked upon fondly in the future.
IF you want to know where Passan stole his answer from, PM me and I'll give you the link. There's only one reason he knows it was his lucky shirt. Let's just say Passan reads the boards - hey Rich - you are an idiot.
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IF you want to know where Passan stole his answer from, PM me and I'll give you the link. There's only one reason he knows it was his lucky shirt. Let's just say Passan reads the boards - hey Rich - you are an idiot.
I know of which Savage interview Soup is referring to, just a second person confirming it.
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Was it really necessary to quote Soup's entire post? Soup Quote:
Um, Ted Washington played fine at NT last year - it was the ends who didn't do their jobs. Shaun Smith is looked as the future NT, how's he going to get reps if Adams is spelling Washington?
I think he is saying dump Washington for Adams. I agree that Washington didn't play that badly last year. I'm not sure how many plays a game he has left. I don't think Adams is much of an answer. I think if he can't go we will have to hope Parker and or Kelley can step to backup Smith.
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My posts rule, everyone should copy my entire post even if they are replying to someone else in any thread.
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You and Ammo both posted an extremely inordinate amount of the original post just to add very little of your own input.
In the future I suggest you guys, and everyone else as well, copy and paste the particular section to which you are responding and not cause a thread to become a scroll fest in order to get through it just because of a few short comments you wish to add.
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Why in the world are the Browns trying to accommodate Shaffer? Don’t they realize that by drafting Thomas and signing free-agent guards Eric Steinbach and Seth McKinney, they have cobbled their strongest offensive line since the return in 1999?
Unless he turns out to be a hybrid of Tony Mandarich and Robery Gallery, which is as likely as a tsunami hitting Cleveland, Thomas is a lock to open as the club’s OLT against Pittsburgh in the season opener. Bet on it.
And hold on to Shaffer, whose Cleveland debut last season was rather disappointing. Maybe he’s smarting because he didn’t perform as well as he wanted. He’s still a pretty good football player and would look very nice at right tackle.
Move Ryan Tucker inside at right guard, where he should have been in the first place, have him battle with McKinney for the job and you have the makings of a solid offensive line.
Perhaps the Browns don't think Shaffer has what it takes to be a starter......at either tackle???
I knew he was bad at LT.
I knew he wasn't respected by teammates and coaches.
I just didn't know it was that bad.
I will say that nothing is set in stone yet. Perhaps he will emerge as a starter somewhere on the line. I ain't holding my breath on that one yet.
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Views: Is Phil Savage so sanguine about his club’s running game that he eschewed the opportunity to take a running back?
When will the Browns’ general manager understand that the key to the success of any team’s offense is the ability to run the football? Outside of Jamal Lewis, there is no one who can handle that important job for the Browns.
Savage could not fix all the needs in one year and he correctly attempted to upgrade the offensive line in general and LT spot in particular rather than the RB position. The RB class was not deep. It would have been dumb to force a pick.
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Savage finally has the offensive line he so desired. It’s time to start giving that line some talent with which to work. Chris Brown, who had some decent seasons in Tennessee, is available.
I don't like Brown. He is oft-injured and runs too upright. He isn't the toughest hombre around. There is a reason he is available.
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Signing Ted Washington was a noble effort to stop the bleeding, but he is not the answer on the nose, Romeo Crennel’s assessment to the contrary notwithstanding. So why not go after Adams, who is five years younger (he turns 34 next month)? He certainly can’t be any worse than Washington.
At this point of their careers, Adams is better than Washington. Hell, he is better than Smith, who we signed from the Bengals.
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Behind Lewis, who is approaching the downside of his career, you have Jason Wright, Jerome Harrison and Chris Barclay. That’s it. Not nearly enough to scare opposing offensive coordinators.
I don't know about you guys, but I am very tired of hearing these journalists say that Lewis is on "the downside of his career" or even approaching it. HE'S 27 YEARS OLD. How is he on the downside of his career?????????? 
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because the upside was when Lewis was 23-25 years old.
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Think of him as a 29 year old who has been flogged repeatedly throughout his life.
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Savage could not fix all the needs in one year and he correctly attempted to upgrade the offensive line in general and LT spot in particular rather than the RB position. The RB class was not deep. It would have been dumb to force a pick.
Exactly. Can only do so much in one year. Last year was LB, this year was OL.
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[Exactly. Can only do so much in one year. Last year was LB, this year was OL.
actually- i think we fixed the oline, QB and corner. Heck, I'm just optimistic 
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Lewis, until he proves otherwise, will be considered "on the downside of his career" because his performance in the past 2 seasons hasn't been what it was in 2003-2004. This is a 'what have you done for me lately?' league.
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Savage could not fix all the needs in one year and he correctly attempted to upgrade the offensive line in general and LT spot in particular rather than the RB position. The RB class was not deep. It would have been dumb to force a pick.
Most of you guys know I was all for Peterson in the draft, but................  , I also stated that I felt that after Peterson and Lynch (maybe Leonard), that the RB class wasn't very deep.
As much as I hate to do it....... , I have to agree with Vers, agian. Why reach on a back, especially with our limited picks after our great first day. My only concern is that we don't have a round 1 pick next to try and upgrade the position either .
Let's hope that Vickers or someone else steps up to the plate to help carry the load with Lewis.
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Most of you guys know I was all for Peterson in the draft, but................ , I also stated that I felt that after Peterson and Lynch (maybe Leonard), that the RB class wasn't very deep.
As much as I hate to do it....... , I have to agree with Vers, agian. Why reach on a back, especially with our limited picks after our great first day. My only concern is that we don't have a round 1 pick next to try and upgrade the position either .
Let's hope that Vickers or someone else steps up to the plate to help carry the load with Lewis.
I think there will always be backs worthy of carrying the load available via FA or trade, at least over the next couple years with the RB market the way it is. If you get one in the draft, great. But I'm not sweating the fact that we didn't get one or that we don't have a first to get one next year.
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The bottom line was which positions were in need of more attention. RB wasn't it. What back in the 2nd round would have more impact or upside than taking Wright? There wasn't one.
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As much as I hate to do it....... , I have to agree with Vers, agian. Why reach on a back, especially with our limited picks after our great first day. My only concern is that we don't have a round 1 pick next to try and upgrade the position either
That is a concern. I don't think Savage needed to make that trade. He was sitting perfect having selected Joe Thomas and having the # 36 pick coming up. He could have fixed the OL completely.
Now, if the gamble pays off and The Mighty Quinn is truly a franchise QB, than it will have been worth it. At this point........it's hard to say which way the gamble will pay off.
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And hold on to Shaffer, whose Cleveland debut last season was rather disappointing. Maybe he’s smarting because he didn’t perform as well as he wanted. He’s still a pretty good football player and would look very nice at right tackle.
Move Ryan Tucker inside at right guard, where he should have been in the first place, have him battle with McKinney for the job and you have the makings of a solid offensive line.
My feelings..I don't know if Shaffer can play RT but it seems more suitable for him..and if I'm Rac , I get him reps at that spot very soon..not waste TC with him trying to fight with Thomas..forget egos..forget loyalties..this is about fielding your best unit..if the guys can't deal with it..buh-bye..
Views: Is Phil Savage so sanguine about his club’s running game that he eschewed the opportunity to take a running back?
Are you that narrow minded?
His plan wasn't to use a draft choice on a RB..this year there weren't enough good backs to make a choice..he piocked up Lewis..we have a camp of bodies to use behind him and NO WAY would I bring in Chris-Ican'tstayhealhty Brown.
News: The Cincinnati Bengals release defensive tackle Sam Adams.
Views: Adams would look great as the Browns’ nose tackle this season. Fit him for an orange and brown uniform tout de suite.
This one I agree with..Ted needs to retire...we have Smith to add in the rotation and Parker.
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As much as I hate to do it....... , I have to agree with Vers, agian. Why reach on a back, especially with our limited picks after our great first day. My only concern is that we don't have a round 1 pick next to try and upgrade the position either
That is a concern. I don't think Savage needed to make that trade. He was sitting perfect having selected Joe Thomas and having the # 36 pick coming up. He could have fixed the OL completely.
Now, if the gamble pays off and The Mighty Quinn is truly a franchise QB, than it will have been worth it. At this point........it's hard to say which way the gamble will pay off.
The flaw with this argument is that Savage was going to pick Wright at #36 anyway. Granted, he could have picked a guard in the 3rd or 4th round with the 3rd we gave up, but Wright was our guy in the 2nd, regardless of whether or not he was #36 or #53.
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"Savage finally has the offensive line he so desired."
And the Bozo's still don't get it
We fixed 40% of the OL...LT and LG - I think that is excellent.
But the Bozo's think - job done...NEXT! I've seen people do work like this. Just get it done and put it in as JOB DONE! Sorry Pasan...Savage hopefully will not do his job in similar fashion as you do yours!
We still have the right side to equal that talent on the left!
As far as the Running game. If the OL does there job maybe we lack the GREAT RB but Wright proved to be an NFL RB last season. Actually by accounts that I heard of - the OL were tickled pink when he ran the ball cause he would hit that hole fast and hard...unlike the top dawg RD. Hopefully we won't have to go to deep into our depth.
Next year is the Draft RB class of all Drafts...does this Bozo have no vision?
JMHO - Oh and Chris Brown pfft thats his answer? He's much more washed up if anything than Lewis and never was as good as Lewis in the first place.
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