DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2015 NFL Season Looking Back: Browns 20 Oakland 27 The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly

The Good:

--Barnidge had a good day.

--McCown was pretty good on intermediate throws.

--Team did not quit.

--Benji got open deep 3 times.

--Pet actually went for a 4th down attempt.

The Bad:

--McCown's deep passes were late and short. Could have had three scores.

--Benji's muff.

--The entire run defense. Pathetic.

--Defensive scheming. Why put Whit on a slot receiver, who turns out to be Cooper? Stupid.

--I had a feeling Scwartz would struggle today.

--Bittonio was not much better.

--Overall tackling.

--Pursuit to the football.

--Joe was getting torched by Cooper. Why even try that match-up. Dummies like me and steve said to play Williams on him and put Joe on Crab.

--Some of the blocking schemes. Really?

--Who is the FB? He can't freaking block.

The Ugly:

--Another loss. Many on here said we would be 2 and 1 or 3 and 0 after our first three games. Well, we are 1 and 2 and the schedule is going to get tougher.

--How do we constantly allow teams to score so easily at the end of halves?

--Those freaking orange numbers on the brown jerseys. Gag!

--The men in the stands wearing stupid crap on their heads. The one dude looked like a freaking girl moving the hair from his freaking wig out of his face. Sorry......but ....Come on, Man!

I forgot a bad:

--McCown holds the ball too long. I just read the Post Game Thoughts thread and noticed some people bashing the OL. You simply cannot hold the ball that long. They got some legit pressure, but most of it came because McCown takes too long to read coverages. He doesn't throw w/anticipation and that is another reason why his deep throws were late and underthrown.

--One more bad: I don't think the fans should have been chanting for Johnny.

The Good:

I thought shelton had a decent game. he was eating double teams but getting movement at the line on run plays.

Our WR were getting open. constantly.

Barnidge had a good game.

so did hartline, couple of clutch catches.

The bad:

The OL. sorry, no more excuses. they are terrible. can't run block worth a damn. barely average in pass protection. So far their only good game was against a sorry defense. They need to be good against everybody, not just bad teams.

The front 7. once again we got our asses kicked on the ground.

McCown. our WR were open, Gabriel and Benji had their man beat atleast twice a piece, yet McCown coudln't deliver.

The Ugly:

Haden and Whitner. Haden got torched by a rookie. it was disgusting to watch. And Whitner? i was telling everybody on this board we should've kept Ward. y'all posters can't call this crap a lateral move anymore. Ward was better then, he's better now.

Mingo. Ran into the kicker, and had an illegal block in the back. and of course, trash on defense. he's a bust. period.

Our playcalling. for the third time, our WR were getting open. it's plain as day watching the game. That being said, 3 of our WR are short. 5'10 and under.

we should be running bubble screens, quick slants, out routes. hawk and gabriel will kill, yet instead we was going for these long developing routes like we have nothing but 6'4 WR out there. for yet ANOTHER season, we're trying to fit players into a system instead of developing a system around our players.

I agree with all of your list so much so that I will not make a list. I will borrow yours with one change. I took two from your bad and put them in ugly.

The Ugly:

--Some of the blocking schemes. Really?

--Who is the FB? He can't freaking block.

--The men in the stands wearing stupid crap on their heads. The one dude looked like a freaking girl moving the hair from his freaking wig out of his face. Sorry......but ....Come on, Man!

If our receivers are open and not getting the ball, it is not the fault of the playcalling. It is the fault of the QB for not getting them the ball when they are open.

well it was half and half. McCown held the ball too long, and the OL was getting ate up.

oh, and one more ugly:

Zero. Sacks.


Zero.

The Good:

--Nothing

The Bad:

--The Offense - Why start a 36 year old QB???? Johnny needs to be evaluated!
Run the ball? Are you freaking kidding me?
Great Offensive line? Are you freaking kidding me?

The Ugly:

--The Defense - We have the WORST defense in the league after taking 600 Defensive lineman in the draft!!
Highest paid D in the league? Are you freaking kidding me?
Great Defensive line? Are you freaking kidding me?
Sacks? Are you freaking kidding me?
Great secondary?? Are you freaking kidding me?

Good

-Travis Benjamin. Really coming into his own. By the way I thought he recovered his own fumble and the guy on the Raiders took it away after he was done. Big play, and Benjamin can't fumble there regardless.

-Oakland's offense. They had a really good mix all day. Kept the Browns guessing.

Bad

-Josh McCown for half the game.

-Run blocking

-Front 7

Ugly

-Run defense

-tackling

-Joe Haden. He was terrible today. I don't care how good Amari Cooper is. If you are a pro bowl DB, you should have the better of him. Unacceptable. Set the tone right on the first drive.

-Coaching

I don't think the receivers were that open. McCown missed some deep passes, but when they showed the end zone shots a couple of times, we didn't have a lot of guys running open. Not nearly as much as Oakland did. Then again, we didn't want Crabtree.

I knew Mingo and Whit would take all the hits. They weren't that good, but at least Whit was around the ball. WTF were the LBers? Where was Dansby. What happened to Starks on that TD run where Mingo could not make the tackle? I'll tell you, he got blown up and driven 5 yards inside. No complaints about that, though.

Where the hell was Bowe? Where was Gilbert? Where was Erving?

You guys rip on players who play over guys who are also earning big money and DON'T play. Why is that?

The entire D sucked! And yes, I am including Mingo and Whit, but to ONLY single them out is ridiculous.

I don't know if was an excuse or not, but Haden said he hurt his ribs the first play of the game.

The Good:

Fantasy Football exists. Andy Lee. Travis Coons.

Brian Hartline had a nice game.

The Bad:

The lack of preparation and initial team effort.

Poor tackling.

Josh McCown's deep ball.

The offensive line.

The run defense.

Zero sacks.

The Ugly:

Joe Haden attempting to cover Cooper.

The Halloween theme music that embarrassingly and continually plays on third downs.


On a side note, can we just release Bowe already? Inactive today. Time to end that experiment..

Good points about the zero sacks.

Sorry for going off. I'm disgusted w/this team.

the whole team was terrible.

why rip on players that weren't on the field? the board is in agreement that bow is trash. there's zero point on posting that in this thread.

and we're going to rip the backup center? really?

i said the front 7 was trash. doesn't that include the lb's?

man you read into stuff way too much.

Vers I dont want to derail your thread but the other day you had the team morale thread and I thought our body language was just ugly from the opening kickoff. McCown at the start had his head down looking like he was contemplating suicide.



The good,
The receivers were making plays and getting behind the secondary.
The OL, I thought they opened holes and provided solid pass protection all game long.

Armonty and Hughes played a very solid game. the Raiders went away from those 2 often.
the bad

Crow missed several large holes including the 3rd and 1 from the goaline where he didnt take the wide open hole and just plowed into the 350 pound Nose for no apparent reason and McCown was stepping up into the pocket, stepping up again, patting the ball then throw off the back foot.

Coaching was poor. I really thought this was the first very bad game coaching wise the Browns have had under pet.

the ugly
Tackling
having your DBS sliding around like they have never played at CBS before. OUr DBs couldnt stand up and the Raiders receivers sure didnt have an issue.

McCown's throws between all those batted down balls and passes behind, to high and underthrow badly, it just was a nightmare.

As I said earlier, I really have no desire to watch this team's half ass effort. if they dont give a damn why should we. Start Johnny or dont, I dont think it matters. The only way this team can get any fight in them is to get raped by Mike Tyson.

The defense seems to just go thru the motions. Their is no fire in them. If Pettine thinks they buy into the hype, thats on him. I don't see how any player on this defense can watch the film of these three games and come to the conclusion that they are a good unit.

I was wondering about Pet's comment.

What hype?

Does anyone know what he's talking about? I haven't seen us getting a whole lotta love.

Was he talking about the offense, defense, or both?

only hype i can think of is benji getting mad love from the national media.

but he delivered, so i dunno if that was him pet was talking about.

i'm thinking it was the defense he was referencing. with the 7 sacks last week and couple of TO's.

I don't know. That is why I'm asking.

I didn't listen to the presser. Someone else mentioned it on the Post Game thread.

Haden, maybe? I'm really kinda perplexed on this one.

No coach should sell out his players like that. That's when they start to question him.

This is not going to end well.

I think it was a mischaracterization by the poster.

I think Pett said they needed to do less talking and play better.

Ahhh........thanks. That's not so bad.

Pettine should 100% sell out his players.

They are doing it to him on the field.

He's the leader. He takes the bullets.

You can only take so many though. At some point even that doesn't work.

You, like me, watch a lot of NFL games, not just the Browns.

There are some blowouts happening today, but I rarely watch an NFL game and question another team's effort and preparation.

I seem to always be doing that with the Browns. Maybe I'm just overly biased.

To me drastic times call for drastic measures. And I think that means Pettine should step aside and let those bullets go straight into the huddle.

the patriots put up a 50 burger.

atlanta almost had a 40 burger.

i still can't believe how bad our defense is right now ... it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to field a consistently worse team

I was told this was the softest camp anyone has ever seen and we struggle running the football and tackling. Coincidence?

Well, we are the softest team I've ever seen .. and that's not an exaggeration. Our linen is finesse, our defense is on its heels, we can't wrap up or gang tackle ... just get bulled around

One other thing about Pettine laying into players for talking and not backing it up.

We were told we were getting a smash mouth running offense and a smash mouth defense that will stop the run.

We were told that by Pettine.

But did anyone ever get the impression from any camp report or anything done in the preseason that the team was working on those things?

Maybe Pettine should take his own advice.

Pettine speaks in cliches and tells the "blue collar" town what they want to hear. It seems to be the Browns mantra from the top down to hit on the buzz words.

For example:

Bloody our noses.
Bring our lunch pails to work.
Play like a Brown.
Tough in the tenches.
Actions into words.

Hell, when Jay Glazer asked him this off season who the rising star was going to be on the team to look out for, Pettine said, "Joel Bitonio." Glazer was stunned and said, "an offensive guard??" Pettine, went on to explain some bs blue collar mentality that Browns fans apparently clamor over hearing.

Now he's going with the old cliche, 'players have been reading their press clippings'.
I live in the area, there have been no press clippings. In fact, the only topic this week was Manziel not starting.

Pettine lacks any substance.

The guy in the Joe Thomas jersey who wants us to draft offensive lineman every year loves horrible archaic cliches and catch phrases.

The guy gives off the look of a hard nosed coach, and the media has portrayed him that way, but he certainly doesn't look like it. I mean, maybe when he's away from the cameras and with his team, he's a little more rough with his players, but I really don't see it. His training camps don't give you that impression either.

If you're going to be a defensive guy, and have that output today, I don't know how you don't go after guys when you break down this game.

I don't want to completely dismiss the idea that you build through the trenches, because there is partial truth to that, but this isn't 1975. You need playmakers and better QB play. Still isn't excuse for this team being embarrassingly bad against the run. That's grown men stuff right there.

Good:

Gary, should have had a TD too but McCown was way off.

Bad:

No offense. The defense that we all heard would be the backbone of the team cannot play good football. We have only one good OLB.

Bad:

Benjamin fumble. McCown's accuracy the majority of the game. No running game. Pass protection. Heh, so much...

1 more ugly - continued penalties...especially when we are inside the 10 yard line - we seem to always get a false start.

to me, Bitonio looks way worse this year. penalties and much less effective pinning his defenders.

regression thus far

Good: Andy Lee is just a stud at punter.. MVP of the team!

Ugly: About everything else. And just a general comment. Yes the O-Line is partly to blame for the running game or lack there of, but our backs are below average. Nobody is scared of our offense at all without anybody that can make plays besides Benji. Now we get to see the much tougher part of the schedule. UGLY!

Its going to end very well, because this staff will be replaced

The good - I didn't buy a ticket to watch them lose
The bad - All the people who did
The ugly - All the people who put up big $$$ for PSL's

I'd like to see that replay on the last interception. I believe Woodson bobbled it and it wasn't a clean interception that was not reviewed. We should have had one more shot to win.

also- McCown took a shot to the head and no one threw a flag.


with all of that aside... we are the reason we lost today.

I thought so too. I know all turnovers are reviewed, but that sure as hell went quickly. Oakland ran their kneel down not even a minute after the pick.

It at least deserved a closer look.